The Factory Floor

Response to Ben Shapiro's "10 Reasons to Vote Republican in November"

9:05 AM

@Shalvenay Rytsas! I'm still trying (with some success) to go to bed at a reasonable time :P

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Mephistopheles

6:21 PM

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Just so we can have a topic for discussion.

Does "What would a magical/scifi event have to accomplish to justify martial law in America" sound like a good question?

Mephistopheles

@JasonClyde The Death Stranding

6:50 PM

@JasonClyde Sounds pretty broad

Martial law just needs a breakdown of civility to the point where the police can't handle it

I see

Plague, mass power grid disruption...

There is civil law, aka normal law enforcement, and martial law, aka the military. They kind of operate under different rule sets

7:07 PM

@AndyD273 I've heard that the US power grid would be very easy to disrupt. Something about a small number of power stations you'd have to hit to down most of the country for a significant period of time (although apparently, Texas is on a separate grid, because of course it is)

@Gryphon-ReinstateMonica Could be, though I wonder how much of that is fear mongering as usual.

But, either way, it's one thing that could be done that would allow for martial law to be declared

Ooh, 10k rep! So much new stuff!

7:22 PM

@JasonClyde The wiki on martial law has a lot of examples of times it was used. Might help some:

Martial law

Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civilian functions by a government, especially in response to a temporary emergency such as invasion or major disaster, or in an occupied territory.Martial law can be used by governments to enforce their rule over the public, as seen in multiple countries listed below. Such incidents may occur after a coup d'état (Thailand in 2006 and 2014, and Egypt in 2013); when threatened by popular protest (China, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, 2009's Iranian Green Movement that led to the takeover by Revolutionary Guards); to suppress...

7:38 PM

Thanks for your help!

Mephistopheles

8:14 PM

So, I was making this script and I'm unsure about the string manipulation `#! /bin/bash
echo "Kérem a fájl elérési útvonalát";
read NEV;
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{
/usr/local/bin/waifu2x-converter-cpp -i $NEV -o "~/WAIFUd/$CIM-$i.png" --noise-level $i --scale-ratio 2.0 -m noise-scale --disable-gpu;

}
done `

Anyone?

8:33 PM

@JasonClyde yeah, sounds like idea generation to me... How about starting the other way round - would [event] be enough to trigger martial law given [context] would be a starting point for a good question, I think (although I don't know what's on topic here anymore :/ )

8:50 PM

@Mithrandir24601 I thought I remembered hearing somewhere that it was encouraged to make answers you receive useful to other people if possible.

Q: What's wrong with "idea generation" questions?

@JasonClyde Yes, sure, but idea generation is generally considered to be too far in that direction - you're essentially asking for a list of possibilities (which could be made to be so long that it could just keep going), so this leads to issues such as defining a 'best' or even 'good' answer

We now have a dedicated "Idea Generation" close vote/flag reason!! What does it mean? What is the problem with "idea generation" questions?

It's worth mentioning that 'idea generation' questions can potentially be constrained enough to be a good question, but you need to address at least all the potential issues in the answers to the above meta question

Oh no it wasn't idea generation. I was actually looking for an answer like I was given here by Andy:

Martial law just needs a breakdown of civility to the point where the police can't handle it

There. That's what my supernatural event would have to do before martial law would happen if it happened in real life.

@JasonClyde Ahh, I see, I was misreading the thing, my bad - sorry!

Anyway, I asked because I recently learned Martial law causes some interesting contingency plans regarding prisons and I was trying to figure out if they'd apply.

So thanks for the help everyone.

Oooh, sounds interesting...

Are Prisons GOOD in a Zombie Apocalypse?

9:00 PM

Actually, that's another thing. Maybe I should fact check this.

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Around 4:35 he starts talking about martial law and prisons

Can anyone confirm if what he's saying is true?

@JasonClyde I'm... not sure. Sounds kinda weird to forcibly stick prisoners into the military, but I wouldn't be all that surprised.

It'd be nice if he'd referenced the section of the US penal code.

Yeah, would have been.

My google-fu is failing me.

Apparently Habeus corpus does get suspended "in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." (Article 1, section 9 of the US constitution).

habeus corpus is essentially right to a trial.

9:21 PM

Apparently, the courts have been... pretty strict about when you can do this though. And changed their mind a bunch over time.

... apparently the friggin Civil War isn't enough for martial law in the case of spies and traitors? I'm struggling to come up with a case in which it would be valid then.

OK, apparently the war on terror is a valid reason. Because screw consistent logic.

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According to Google, "the time for Beeland" is apparently whenever you're looking for delicious honey in Spillimacheen, British Columbia or a hexagonal chalet in the Savinja valley in Slovenia.

9:36 PM

Wow

Crazy

@JasonClyde You've now got me sucked into a never-ending well of excessively legalistic summaries of court cases in a country I don't even live in. Apparently, case law is almost as bad as TVtropes.

Hahaha. My apologies Gryphon.

Ranger

@Gryphon-ReinstateMonica Government infrastructure (not roads, but book keeping, people, and processes) breaks down to the point where you can't use the actual system, and it would be an actual danger/threat to maintain camps of prisoners. Even in the Civil War behind the lines of battle society went on.

Hmm. Apparently a state cannot cast any of its electoral college votes for a presidential nominee and a vice-presidential nominee who are both residents of that state. That's really weird.

So what I'm taking from this is that if what that guy said about martial law and prisons is true, then if something happens that heavily calls into question whether or not prisons will even work anymore, this might happen?

9:49 PM

@Ranger The actual text for the suspension of habeus corpus (e.g., martial law) is: "in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." I think that the Civil War can be considered a "Case of Rebellion". And I don't see any way to justify that not counting, but also justify the War on Terror counting.

@JasonClyde Yeah. Wait, you were the guy who was asking about that really cool magic system with the tattoos on arms and new powers appearing on a regular basis, right? That sounded really cool.

Yeah that's me.

I just made that mental connection now.

Make sure you let us know if/when you publish something. I'd love to read it.

Will do!

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Shalvenay

11:34 PM

hey there @Green