The Factory Floor - 2019-10-22

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3:09 AM

@James fyi, they've posted the new removal and reinstatement processes. There are serious flaws. I shan't be submitting to the reinstatement process as written. They need to instead reverse the faulty decision, made with zero due process, to remove me.

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A: Feedback post: Moderator review and reinstatement processes

I know that my answer will overlap others, but enough people are waiting for me to comment on this process with an eye toward my case in particular that I'm going to post anyway. The new removal process, while better than what was done to me, lacks important safeguards present in the pre-existin...

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2:10 PM

@MonicaCellio Saw that and looked last night.

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3:26 PM

@James I just saw David's quasi-apology hit 0. @Gryphon's going to need to start another counter. :-)

And my answer is approaching 1k. Wow.

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3:40 PM

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Q: Should I Start Flagging Answers on Underdeveloped Questions?

I've been thinking about doing this for a while now, and this question and answer got me thinking I should start doing it. As @L.Dutch stated: Not all users, sadly, stitch to the "answer only well asked questions" principle. As soon as one of these writes an answer, editing the question beco...

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4:55 PM

Hello World(building)!

@Zucce05 Make yourself at home. You can find the crickets over there, and the library-like-silence over yonder. Please keep all awkward coughing in the designated section marked by the red queue rope.

It does seem more quiet than the last time I was here, and that was pretty quiet.

Do people talk on another platform, or do they mostly stick to chatting in the forums?

@Zucce05 This chat was pretty active almost every work day before the Stack Exchange drama went down with the CoC changes, the (outright illegal, as I understand) change of the publishing license, Monica being demodded, and... almost literally everything SE staff has done to handle it.

So not really another platform so far as I'm aware, people just cleared out, either as a sign of protest or just that it's tense and uncomfortable here now.

I actually got on again because a personal friend of mine is a mod, and he's been keeping us aware of what's been going on through community posts (he's not sharing anything he's not supposed to), and as this is my favorite exchange, I thought I'd take a look and see what people were saying. Looks like not much. ;)

@Zucce05 Nope! Not much. Here at WB two mods stepped down/were demodded, two are now inactive, and I think 3 (ish?) active chat members are no longer active. Not a lot of actual conversation or drama comparatively.

5:15 PM

Hm, it looks like there's an rss feed for the factory floor, but this alert looks like a question was posted. Is it possible to use these alerts for all the questions posted?
I don't spend much time with a browser open, so I don't get to look at the site all that often, but if I could tie it into a channel in my discord server, I'd be pretty happy about it.

It's actually super easy to customize to what you want. Because of course it's over-engineered. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/151519/…

Off to lunch, let me know if that is what you're looking for.

That'll get me what I want!
I'll add the RSS feature back in to my bot so I can get updates.

Thanks much!

5:48 PM

@Zucce05 No problem!

6:14 PM

@Ranger Yo

6:28 PM

@Ranger Change of publishing license? Illegal?

@James Yo

@Mephistopheles I can try to find the discussion in a bit. Basically SE announced that they were changing the publishing license of all content and yes, you all agree, and they were retroactively changing the license everything was previously published under.

@Ranger WRYYYYYY

@Mephistopheles ?

@Ranger What is the change? What was the publishing license?

@Ranger That's the sound vampires make in JoJo

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@Mephistopheles Ah, I don't really watch anime too much.

6:33 PM

@Ranger And that's sad.

@Mephistopheles Most of it I don't enjoy, It's hard to find stuff I do enjoy, and nobody seems good at recommending shows.

@Ranger Trigun

@James Tried it.

@Ranger Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood; Cowboy Bebop; Neon Genesis Evangelion; Serial Experimants: Lain; JoJo's Bizzare Adventure; Puella Magi Madoka Magica;

Seven Deadly Sins

6:36 PM

@James Bible Black

jk

lol

I had two separate people recommend to me, someone who has watched precious little anime, some show with this super amazing episode 2 (1?) twist that was "People can die in this world!" And it took some conversation for them to understand that I wasn't shocked by this because oh yeah, I hadn't watched magical princess (don't think this is the right term...?) anime.

@James My Hero Academia

@Mephistopheles Don't google this at work.

Whatever genre of anime Sailor Moon is/was.

@Mephistopheles Madoka Magica, that was it.

6:37 PM

@Ranger It's pretty good

I have the entire OST

illegally

I mean, I watched the first two episodes, and both friends said "if you don't like it by now, it's not really going to drastically change."

but húkersz?

@Ranger Mami dies in episode 3

Okay, then I watched 3, I guess. :P

I stand corrected.

I've watched three anime shows that I've really liked. All I've found so far.

One wasn't actually good quality, and I feel guilty saying that I liked it.

@Ranger "twist that was "People can die in this world!"" Best summary of GoT

There is more to Madoka, though.

@Mephistopheles Outside the twist I wasn't really sold on it. It was really... goofy.

In a "drunk Sesame Street" sort of way, not in a "funny comedy" sort of way.

@Mephistopheles For Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood I watched a few episodes. I wasn't laughing at the jokes and my friends told me to stop. :P

6:41 PM

@Ranger I'd watch drunken sesame street...

@James That's the Netflix original, right?

@Ranger Seven Deadly Sins? Not sure if its a Netflix original but its really entertaining.

Also, and anime fans all hate it when I say this, but I can't stand subs. I have to watch dubs. Reading subtitles entirely takes me emotionally out of a show or movie. Every time.

@Ranger You should've watched it for the worldbuilding. It has the BEST magic system in existence.

@Ranger That's pretty lame. You missed such gems as

@Ranger I agree. subtitles are annoying call me lazy if you want to...

6:45 PM

@James >Hungarian

>watches anime with subtitles

I'm more powerful

Except for the "can you run this through me again?"

@Ranger Elaborate

@MonicaCellio Look on the bright side of all this. You're going to get a ton of rep on meta!

Also, this is one of the best posts I've seen on Meta since the whole thing blew up:

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A: Feedback post: Moderator review and reinstatement processes

Simplified process for possibly reinstating Monica StackExchange Inc should complete this process first before even thinking about defining any new one.

@Gryphon 200/day doesn't make up for the hits to my real-world rep, alas.

I've had a huge spike in LinkedIn hits, for example.

@Ranger which anime have you liked?

Also trolling blog comments.

And...other stuff that is extremely distasteful.

7:00 PM

Hello Monica. I don't follow SE politics usually, but you've become mini-famous on Discord, where I am active. Sorry to hear about everything.

@Zucce05 thanks. I'd heard of Discord but never visited before a few days ago (a channel about building a better Q&A site).

@MonicaCellio If you can get it off the ground, I'd switch over.

Well, it's an entirely different beast from what SE is, so I could see how the communities aren't mingling much.
I would be interested to see what improvements a new Q&A site would be able to make. I know this isn't most logical place to say this, but SE has always felt like a bit of a black box to me. It's only since I had a friend become a moderator a while ago that I started digging into the basics of how it works.

@MonicaCellio Not sure discord fits the bill for a Q&A site.

I think she meant she was on there discussing a new one. Not using Discord for it.

Discord is a more featured, expansive version of a chat system like this. It's not good for static conversation and archiving.

7:12 PM

@Zucce05 Ah ok, misunderstood. Yeah its decent for chat.

I'm fairly familiar with Discord, (Microsoft) Teams and Slack, and they've all got pros and cons. My least favorite of all of them is pretty handily Slack, though.

@Gryphon there are two challenges, technical and community. I realize that some people are going to be perfectly happy here, so I think the most fruitful early targets for a test run would be communities that are already showing a high level of frustration with SE's recent actions.

I haven't seen that on Worldbuilding, but I've seen it elsewhere.

@James oh no; definitely not. I meant that there's a Discord channel where people are talking about how to build a better Q&A site.

Hang on while I find a link...

discord.gg/KEUQpdf

I haven't been in there since Sunday (last of the fall holidays was yesterday). There's lots of discussion.

7:28 PM

@Mephistopheles Like, do you not follow how one might find it goofy at all, or my particular phrasing of goofy?

@Zucce05 Favorite anime was Ergo Proxy. It's been several years but I enjoyed the (apparently censored version of) Requiem of a Phantom, although it wasn't particularly high quality. Future Diary was horrible quality, but I'm a sucker for some of the elements they included. Pyscho Pass I tried to like, but it made me feel emotionally dirty after most episodes. I actually regret watching it.

I hope it's okay that I joined too @MonicaCellio - since it was posted publicly I assumed it was open to be joined.

@Ranger I've never actually seen any of those, but I'll look them up and get a feel for what it is you like. I'm kind of half way in to the anime scene, but I've got dozens of people on my server that are very well versed in it. My problem with anime is I'm about world building, character development and storyline consistency. It feels many anime aren't good at these, and too many have fan service as a filler for lacking some of these other elements. Keeps me picky about what I'll watch.

*Conceptually* it seems like I should enjoy anime: imaginative stories with a varied nature, often/typically with a less episodic and more coherent story (unlike traditional American TV)... and I don't have anything against animation itself.

I just seem to watch them and... they're quite often just really bad.

@Zucce05 oh yeah, definitely not a secret -- anybody who wants to join in a productive discussion is welcome! Links were being openly advertised on SE (maybe in profiles?). That's how I found my way there.

@Zucce05 Well, Attack on Titan has worldbuilding in it, so does Fullmetal Alchemist. And yes, fanservice is cancer. The only time I stomached it was with the Madoka movie, mostly because it was still relevant to the plot and helped build up a feel of uneasiness.

8:16 PM

I haven't actually watched Attack on Titan. The first episode really didn't do it for me, so I didn't keep going. That said, I've got a lot of people telling me to give it another shot.

@Zucce05 I got one episode deep myself.

@Ranger To be fair there is some really bad anime out there.

@James I've given up just picking a random anime and giving it a spin.

8:47 PM

@Ranger If you have netflix try out seven deadly sins.

Seven Deadly Sins started out better than it's gone. It was fun despite moderate fan service, but 'season 2' is only a few filler episodes, and have absolutely no reason to exist.

Sword Art Online arc 1 was great. Arc 2 was terrible. Arcs 3 and 4 are okay, ordinal scale (the movie) is slightly better, and we're in the current arc now but I haven't finished it.

Is there anything you actually like?

Overlord is pretty fun and moderately funny. It's taken a surprising turn to the dark.

I love FMA:Brotherhood. Your Lie in April, Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash...

@Zucce05 arc 1? I hope you're talking about the abridged series

@Mephistopheles Cowboy Bebop is good fun

8:51 PM

Sword Art Online, Aincrad.

@Zucce05 Read: Ainz went full edgelord, also I finally get to talk about how much of a racist Lovecraft was

I'm only 3-4 episodes in to Cowboy Bebop so far, but I'm enjoying it. Does remind me a lot of Trigun.

Sub Niggurath

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doubt he had the n-word pass

@Zucce05 Its been a long time but I don't recall CB ending with a clear escalating arc and being resolved...but its been forever.

@Zucce05 Trigun? What's that?

8:53 PM

@Mephistopheles The best anime every made.

@James link pls

26 episodes of awesome gunslinging

Trigun (Japanese: トライガン, Hepburn: Toraigan) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Yasuhiro Nightow. The manga was serialized in Tokuma Shoten's Shōnen Captain in 1995 with three collected volumes when the magazine was discontinued in 1997. The series continued in Shōnen Gahosha's Young King Ours magazine, under the title Trigun Maximum (トライガンマキシマム, Toraigan Makishimamu), where it remained until finishing in 2008. Both manga were adapted into an anime television series in 1998. Madhouse animated the TV series which aired on TV Tokyo from April 1, 1998 to September 30, 1998, totaling...

I also watched The Promised Neverland

It felt like something that was made here

@Mephistopheles If you need more evidence to support the awesome-ness there's a character named Wolfwood who is a priest that carries around a giant cross...that is actually a big ass machine gun.

as on worldbuilding se

@James Still can't beat the foul-mouthed scotsman with the machine gun prothesis.

8:57 PM

Oh man, I can't believe I've gone this far into an anime discussion without bringing up studio ghibli.
If you're more into movies, and want a fun story with a good message, Mayazaki's films from the studio are great. Like, all of them.

@Zucce05 Top three that are on Blu-Ray, English dub?

Paranoia Agent?

I mean, did anyone watch it, aside from me?

Of Studio Ghibli I've only seen... I forget which one.

Or the title.

@Ranger Howls Moving Castle, Spirited Away, Kiki's Delivery Service
Those are all dubbed and all on blueray 100% sure. There are others I like as much or more, but I can't vouch for their language or access.

Spirited Away! That was it

Okay, I'll put the other two on my to-watch list.

9:06 PM

Your Lie in April is a character development, self discovery story. There are a few parts of it that get somewhat annoying, but it's one of my favorites as far as purely character driven story goes. No magic, no weird giant swords, set it modern day Japan. I think it might be on Netflix, and I'm like 95% sure it's in English too.

imdb.com/title/tt3895150

Oh, nice!

I'm a bit slow at pulling up sites here. I'm at work, and our machines are pretty locked down.

@Zucce05 Those horrible security guys! Oh, wait...

~~ Well, they have messaged up a bit... ~~

Doh, no crossout.

Are you software security?

~~I thought it still existed?~~

I guess not!

And my team is Cybersecurity within the group "IT Security," (basically Cybersecurity + Governance + Awareness).

~~Oh, you do strikeout like this~~

9:21 PM

Ah good stuff.
I'm in software dev, but I've done both tech support and helped with security in the past so I've got a love/hate relationship.
I get why things are they way they are. I also hate things being the way they are.

@Zucce05 I'm in Cybersecurity and it's a close enough tune that I'm singing. :)

9:57 PM

Anyone ever listen to the TWiT podcast network?

10:44 PM

I'll see how long I stick to this, but I've gone ahead and installed this site as a PWA, and added it to startup. I should be online something like 24/6.99/365 now. ;)

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