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1:08 AM
@NickAlexeev It looks on topic, though I don't think it will be well received unless the OP can flesh it out a bit more. It seems like there's some excruciatingly contrived scenario involving international political rules, fine physics minutae, a few beers, and a goat.
It might work well if there was a way to widen it from the question asked into the worldbuilding question that surrounds it
 
hey there @CortAmmon, congrats on 100k rep btw :) and how's it going?
 
 
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8:38 AM
@Ash Ever played Thud? It's a remarkably well thought out game.
 
 
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12:06 PM
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caulfield1285How would a second moon affect the length of days? I read somewhere that having two moons would affect the length of a day. But I'm just wondering by how much. Tags:science-fiction This is what I'm thinking of: Having a second moon half the size of the current one. For arguments sakes, I'll...

 
12:52 PM
Challenge 4 done!
Now for the herb challenge.
 
@Hosch250 hmm, I have no ideas for that yet
 
Hmm. They are going to be gone for ages and ages. They need to make sure they don't get scurvy.
They also need to know first aid.
 
1:15 PM
What if the herb challenge is an open-ended challenge?
They just need to prove they can take care of each other medically more/less.
 
@Hosch250 Basically "Well, you didn't die from eating poisonous plants, and don't have scurvy, so you pass!"
 
Well, I was thinking something a little more serious than that.
But yeah.
For example, Brokhem and Bremdag probably already passed by taking care of Niardul.
 
true
 
And if they get in another fight where someone gets injured, the rest of them could easily pass.
 
Could also have a kind of final exam. You walk into a small room that has a few unknown plants sitting on the table. A voice says "Eat one to pass." And so they have to do the steps needed to determine if a plant is edible or not.
 
1:21 PM
True.
 
Knowing the flora from your own planet is easy. But it would be useful to be able to identify safe plants on other planets that you've never seen before, just in case.
But having the medical knowledge of plants is also useful
 
1:52 PM
Gotta wonder, the first people to come to North America from Asia, having to identify new species of plants and see if they are safe... Would be kinda nerve wracking
 
Well, odds are there wasn't very much plant diversity then, what with the ice age and all.
Heck, I've seen birders split warbler species up like 3 times in the 10 years I've paid moderate attention to my siblings' birding obsession.
And, they lived closer to nature back then by pure necessity. They probably forgot more about this stuff than any city-bred person ever knows.
Heck, probably more than any typical farm kid too.
 
Probably true. I guess I was just thinking about someone coming across holly berries and blue berries, and having to figure out which one was edible, and which was toxic.
 
2:12 PM
@AndyD273 start with whichever berries the other animals eat.
 
@Green True. Birds can eat holly. But only birds
 
...if you have the luxury of waiting.
If birds eat it but mammals don't, then you probably shouldn't eat it either.
Or, just cook everything. Most of the nasty poisons degrade above 180F.
 
Hmm, what north american animals eat berries? Bears obviously... do squirrels?
I'm drawing a blank.
 
@AndyD273 I think squirrels usually go for nuts (but eating uncooked acorns is not going to go well with you.)
 
 
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Ash
3:28 PM
@JoeBloggs No, I'd like to but every time I've tried to get a set it hasn't come together for one reason or another.
 
I don't know if it'd be helpful in your situation, but there's a rule I was given for determining if something was poisonous in 4 days in a survival setting (which is convenient for foods, since you have about 20 days to play with there)
You could do it in 4 hours too, though if you trust nothing 4 days it better
Day 1: apply some of the herb to your inner arm.
The inner arm is a very sensitive part of the skin, but it's still skin, so it's pretty good at not letting too many bad things in
Wait a day, see if you develop a rash. If no rash, on day 2, you do the same thing to your lips
Lips are far more sensitive
If no rash there, on day three, you take a little juice or shave your teeth across the plant.
There you're looking for not only whether you have issues in your mouth, but your digestive tract as well
On day 4, you actually consume a small bit of the plant.
 
Ash
@AndyD273 Birds?
 
If after that, you aren't suffering any malidies, there's a really good chance this is a safe plant to eat.
 
Ash
@AndyD273 A lot of grazers like deer go for berries as well, they have high calorie/weight ratio.
 
@CortAmmon Good info... I think I've heard some of that before, but it's been a while
I wonder if you could use that method to test several plants at a time. At least the arm rash part maybe..
 
3:54 PM
@AndyD273 No.
Because A) if one gives you a rash, you don't know which one.
And B) maybe one is the antidote to another.
So just because A+B is safe doesn't mean A or B are safe.
 
You could test two at the same time with one on each arm.
 
Good point. But not really on the lips.
Unless it's poison ivy :P
That would spread all over you.
 
4:29 PM
The wikipedia page on escape velocity states that the formula you used is valid for a spherically symmetric, massive body. I am not sure a burping Sun would qualify for this. — L.Dutch ♦ 35 mins ago
 
4:41 PM
@Hosch250 just like methyl and ethyl alcohol
if you drink methyl + lots of ethyl you might not die because ethyl blocks methyl alcohol metabolism
if you drink methyl you will die painfully
if you drink a lot of ethyl you will die painfully also
 
Always drink your ethyl alcohol watered down.
 
And don't drink methyl ;P
 
Of course, to play it safe, you can just not drink alcohol.
 
@JavaScriptCoder If it doesn't kill you, the hangover will probably make you wish it had... (If I've read correctly, metabolizing methyl is a contributor to hangovers)
@Hosch250 That's my method of choice. Never fails
 
5:01 PM
Mine too.
Lots of my family have been serious drug/alcohol addicts.
So, play it safe.
Besides, who wants a hangover?
 
5:42 PM
exactly
 
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AshCivilisation self-destruction, justifications of. Imagine if you will a world like ours, with a race of individuals reasonably similar to humans; especially these individuals have a strong drive for personal survival. This world is advancing rapidly in terms of technology and energy use density ...

 
@JavaScriptCoder Methyl radicals are my favorite!
 
Ash
@AndyD273 Mild methanol poisoning does make you wish you were dead, for days afterward.
 
@Hosch250 Field computations are so very expensive. Holy mother of CPU burn.
@Ash I don't drink them. I just plan to really fun chemistry with them :)
 
Ash
@Green I don't drink it on purpose but I have had one very nasty experience with badly made homebrew.
 
5:48 PM
@Ash beer or distilled?
 
Ash
@Green Distilled, poorly.
 
@Green Expensive as in renting CPU time, or expensive as in lots of cycles needed?
 
I hear the voice of experience speaking.
 
@Ash Oh....oh no. There's a reason you have to be licensed to make that stuff.
@AndyD273 All of the above.
 
@Green Are you running it through one of the cloud compute platforms, like Amazons or Microsofts?
 
5:50 PM
@Ash I have negative interest in going blind because some idiot couldn't get his temperatures right.
@AndyD273 I'm not referring to cost per cycle rather to $n * cost/cycle$ where $n$ is a really huge number.
Finite Element simulations have to solve each "frame" of the solution many times then jump to the next frame.
 
Ash
@Green Not over here you don't, anyone can get a home kit here.
 
A lot of the equations of interest have no direct solution so you have to numerically solve them which is very expensive.
 
Ash
@Green It's not really about temperature it's about knowing how much methanol to expect and then dumping several times that much off the top of the distillation.
 
@Ash Ah. I betray my ignorance of distillation techniques and workflows. My apologies.
@AndyD273 And each time step may be on the order of 0.00001 seconds. (well, depending on the process and the simulation).
 
Ash
@Green Temperature does play a role, in that the methanol has a lower boiling point and can be relied on to be in the first part of the distillate, otherwise the dumping technique wouldn't work either. The laws about brewing, and growing tobacco, are a bit odd here, you can do it but you have to be consuming it yourself.
 
6:47 PM
@Ash Where, approximately, is "here"?
 
Ash
7:04 PM
@Green New Zealand
 
@Ash Nice! My sister lives outside ChristChurch.
 
Ash
@Green Cool we're up in the North Island but close enough to the west coast that the weather is lousy.
 
 
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8:55 PM
@Green You have a sister that lives in New Zealand?
 
@James I do.
 
How exactly did that happen?
"I think Ill move from the US to New Zealand" is no small thing.
 
Well, she got a plane then sat still for a long time then got off the plane. Someone handed her a bunch of books with instructions "read all these" then she stayed.
There's a world class emergency preparedness college in ChristChurch. She went to study there and ended up staying.
 
...thats pretty sweet.
 
@James It's valuable work, even though it doesn't pay very well.
 
8:59 PM
I've thought about taking my skills to FEMA or a disaster response non-profit. It fits well with what I did in the Air Force.
 
She needed help with homework once. She had a cliff face that she needed to figure out the odds of collapse and the likelihood of fatalities.
 
Like...just day to day "will it collapse" or "in X situation what is the likelyhood it will collapse?"
 
My WB was strong that day, I can tell you. (Said to the tune of youtu.be/xSp5QwKRwqM?t=127 )
@James Like, "rush hour, 5.5 magnitude earth quake. How far will the rocks go and what's the biggest danger zone?"
 
@Green That's some crazy complicated analysis.
...I'm guessing.
 
@James I can be. There's a bunch of parameters that you need but cannot know. What are the fault lines in the hill above the cliff face? Do they run parallel to the cliff face or some other angle?
Interestingly, it's easiest to come up with worst case scenarios.
You can do Fermi Approximations all day.
 

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