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Q: Keeping GHz wireless RF out of our heads without stopping the internet?

Neurologists found that GHz wireless RF had modest but quite negative effects on people's brains. Subtle collective effects in neuronal firing patterns across the brain due to interactions with the EM fields within the skull lead to enhanced feelings of angst and frustration with the world causin...

science-based communication radio

I thought my first question was brilliant but nobody else does. Any thoughts on what it might be that might makes this one uninteresting?

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8:07 AM

@uhoh Not sure, but maybe it sounds too much like "conspiracy theory" to some people. Another thing might be the abbreviations. You never mention what they really mean so I needed to think a moment about "RF" and the title is quite hard to read. Maybe try to rephrase the title to be simpler? Maybe something like "How to prevent being brainwashed without stopping the internet?"

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8:19 AM

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Q: Discussion about the "browsing in the future" question

The question How to make money from a browser who sees 5 seconds into the future of any web page? Seems to have triggered some controversy. It appeared to have been closed, reopened and as of writing has collected another 3 close-votes. I thought it would probably be best to clear it up here. ...

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8:41 AM

@Secespitus I see what you mean. It's interesting that using a term like "brainwashed" would brand me a conspiracy theorist in other sites, but using it here might have the opposite effect.

Since there's an answer already I shouldn't do much rewriting, but I'll give this some thought. Thanks very much for the advice!

@uhoh No problem, good luck. And yeah, WorldBuilding can be weird :D

@Secespitus then we'll get along great. ;-)

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1:19 PM

@Secespitus An interesting thought I heard a few weeks ago regarding conspiracy theories; When you hear some of the really crazy conspiracy theories about things that the government has done and lied about, and that we now know are true, it gets really hard to point to any other conspiracy theory and say "yeah, that could never happen."

Stuff like the Gulf of Tonkin, the Tuskegee syphilis studies and the similar study done in Guatemala, MKUltra, Project sunshine, and many others.

When people are lied to over and over by the people that are supposed to be protecting them, you really can't blame them for not believing other statements. It's basically a form of gaslighting, and it's evil in a relationship, and it's evil in a government.

A parent comes home and says "hey, I got you a bike, it's out in the driveway. The kid runs out and there is no bike. The next week the parent does it again. After a few times the kid isn't going to believe anything that parent says, even if they really did bring a bike home. Heck, they could probably put the bike in the kids room, and the kid is going to question if it's some kind of trick.

It's a big reason we decided to never do the santa claus or easter bunny thing with our kids.

1:44 PM

many other conspiracy theories that turned out to be real

@AndyD273 They still poison alcohol.

Hmm, my rep became "4,321", a descending sequence, with the same increase that pushed me over 80 rep/post. Coincidence? I think not!

All drug-store alcohol is poisoned to prevent people from just getting it cheap there.

2:40 PM

@Hosch250 Partly that, but also to prevent people from drinking it because isopropyl alcohol is very toxic. About 8 oz is a lethal dose.

Much better to have it make you sick and purge it out of your system, since the alternative is to have it make you dead.

drugrehab.com/addiction/alcohol/drinking-rubbing-alcohol

Apparently the human body breaks isopropyl down into acetone, which is not something that should be on the inside of your body.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

"How can animals develop a form of inter-species communication" Cats in New York City are an invasive species that are a plague to the animal kingdom. It is well documented that these bloodthirsty psychopaths are responsible for the murder of billions of innocent and helpless creatures a year. T...

3:19 PM

@AndyD273 Yikes

I notice that a lot of these seem to follow the same format. Scientific studies indicate that X is bad for people, but companies in the Y industry, who profit from X, deny these claims, shut down the studies, run counter-studies, and bribe officials to deny the claims. Years later, people realize what the Y companies did and sue the companies. Maybe the same thing is true for climate change, because the big energy companies would profit from denying it.

The ones where the government is doing the bad thing or paying for inhumane studies on the thing are even worse.

@JohnLocke Right. So since hearing that and looking some of the ones they talked about up, I've decided that scoffing at conspiracy theories and just dismissing them is just as bad as just believing them all. I'm just going to put them in a superposition of true and not true until more evidence shows up.

@JohnLocke Re: climate change, that one is interesting, because there is major profit and political power on both sides. You really can't just trust the energy companies, but just trusting the prophets of doom is just as dangerous.

Take that whole "97% of scientists agree on climate change". It falls very squarely under "lies, damn lies, and statistics."

@AndyD273 That is maybe true of the subset of scientists who vote hard Democrat.

And in that case, can you trust them to be unbiased by the stance of the political party they support any more than a normal person?

@Hosch250 No, it's because of how they got that number

They end up just looking for evidence to support their belief rather than looking for evidence either way.

3:36 PM

They took 12,000 papers about climate change. From that 12,000, 37% had an opinion in the conclusion. Of that 37%, 97% said that human's might have something to do with it. They did not read any of the papers.

OTOH, the NOAA director resigned over reports of falsified data around when Obama got voted out.

The fact he did resign is pretty strong evidence they were falsifying data.

There is a new weather study that was done recently, where they got new instrumentation to measure more of the solar spectrum. The data file is something like 3.6 GB. They found that if you take that extra data that they never measured before into account it completely destroys all their climate change models and removes all effects attributed to CO2 from the system. So they put out a second file without the new solar radiance forcing data. The new file is only 350MB.

Here is my very firm personal opinion. Pollution is bad. We should find ways to cut it out. We should find places that it is happening and cut it out (need to keep the rivers from starting on fire again). We should look into renewable sources, as well as nuclear fusion and fission. But we should not turn it into a political club to ram through totalitarian policies.

4:03 PM

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4:24 PM

@AndyD273 expresses approval of quantum physics terminology

4:38 PM

@Gryphon I'm just getting tired of the BS. "The world is going to end in 12 years!" "Is it really? Have you looked at all the data?" "OMG! YOU'RE A CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER! BURN THE DENIER!" And it's even worse in the sciences. Does your proposed study point to the imminent destruction of the planet at the hands of western civilization? No?? Well, no money for you!

Or here in Michigan (true story): "Because of climate change the Great Lakes are going to dry up, we have to pass laws!!" 3 years later: Water levels are at their highest points in decades, but in that 3 years there were several companies that had to shut down due to new regulations, and several thousand people were put out of work.

And you can see echos of the "great lakes drying up" myth in popular culture. The movie I, Robot has Will Smith go to this giant desert, and look down at a plaque that says something like "former location of Lake Michigan."

Yeah. The planet is warming up. Not all the data is in on whether or not we are causing any of it, and on how much we are causing if we are causing it. Climate is a hugely complex mess we barely understand parts of. Now stop making blanket statements about things you don't understand.

Or worse, wilfully skewing the data to meet a narrative. I don't think it's good when Exxon does it, and I don't think it's good when NASA does it. Just stop messing with the data.

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5:54 PM

@AndyD273 If I learned anything from taking stats in college its that stats can say whatever the hell you want them to and the integrity of the source is paramount.

I know someone who works for an insurance company.

They pull data to show it to management periodically.

On a fairly regular basis, they end up having to fudge numbers and remove user groups from their queries to make the numbers say what management wants.

@Hosch250 I've seen this behavior at basically every job I have ever had.

6:13 PM

I wonder if we can push for something that say if you study has any stats in it you have to include all of the raw data as well as your data processing method so that the results can be reproduced. That seems pretty scientific to me.

@AndyD273 I believe...though am not certain that most reputable journals require that kind of activity, but...I really don't have proof of that.

Its one of those things I think I know but don't recall how or why I came to that belief.

Heh, granted, that's still not much of a guarantee. Have you heard the one about the canine rape culture in dog parks in Portland?

@AndyD273 That is almost interesting enough to keep me at my desk when I am getting ready to head home. ALMOST. I am outta here, have a good weekend...I do want to hear about that though.

@James just do a search for Sokal Squared. It was a study about how easy it is to get stuff into "reputable" journals if you aim toward their bias.

Have a great weekend!

6:40 PM

Once they selected the other proposal, we could have kept shopping ours around, but we would had to modify it include an aqueduct over their canal, which would be totally unreasonable.

Can A Racist Character Be Heroic?

Sometimes my recommended isn't complete garbage

Also, based and redpilled

@AndyD273 Jó napot!

Te is!

@AndyD273 Neked is.

:P

What do you think about the vid?

I think it's pretty interesting

hogyan van ma a bátyád?

@AndyD273 ... Okay, now that's just creepy

6:54 PM

@Mephistopheles Miért, van egy borzsa?

@AndyD273 And now you stopped making sense

Én többnyire csak feltételezem, hogy GT nem rasszista ...

heh

Apparently google translate isn't completely up to par...

@AndyD273 I once tried translating japanese

It required some 400 IQ tactic to make sense of it

BTW, did you mention Twitter being a dumpster fire without mentioning

Harry Potter is Rowling in his grave

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@Mephistopheles From what I've heard of fantastic beasts and cursed child, it was murder by bleeding the franchise.

@Mephistopheles BTW, what made that creepy?

Oh, weird. Do the words badger and brother have much in common in hungarian?

@AndyD273 A cheap VN copy storyline and a meh movie, featuring a wife-beater, was really the last nail. The downward spiral started earlier

knowyourmeme.com/memes/…

@AndyD273 "How is your brother today?" "Why does he have a badger?"

7:07 PM

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Apparently it thinks your brother is a badger.

@AndyD273 That giggly shithead mistook some petty guy called "Abraham Lincoln" for our chad national hero "Kossuth Lajos"

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Though it was a long time ago

How long ago? I usually only keep screen shots for a minute or two

@AndyD273 It was a meme for us

Thinking more about it, Rowling is an exemplary of how not to worldbuild.

I'm pretty sure that most people only think the HP books are good because they read them when they were young and ~~stupid~~ impressionable.

@AndyD273 It had a good story, but a horrendously bad magic system. I still wonder if an Avada Kedavra is deflectable by an ablative flower vase shield

I also have a good method for getting rid of Voldemort, it involves a portkey and the event horizon of a black hole, as well as "We wanted to live forever, so the Doctor made sure we did."

7:23 PM

@Mephistopheles Hmm, due to time dilation, you might come pretty close to living forever... From one frame of reference anyway

@AndyD273 I miss the Rusty era of DW

Not that this didn't show up in World Enough and Time, and The Doctor Falls

I miss David Tennant. Matt Smith wasn't the worst doctor. but I kinda stopped caring more and more over time.

@AndyD273 Moffat needed some time until he found himself, still, he gave us Heaven Sent, the goatest but also Hell Bent a not so goat episode.

@Mephistopheles I'd completely stopped watching by that point.

The idea of watching more DW at this point just fills me with a sense of meh.

7:39 PM

@AndyD273 "Then you're lost!"

Yup, just meh.

@AndyD273 Just meh?!

The Bootstrap Paradox | Before The Flood | Doctor Who | BBC

Can't work up any feelings about it. The magic is gone. Even the ~~magic wand~~ sonic screwdriver doesn't help.

@AndyD273 You're no fun

So, let's talk PC

ansd SJWs

@Mephistopheles Doctor Who got Harry Potter syndrome. Doctor Who even has a worse magic system than Harry Potter, though it's hard to imagine how they pulled that off.

7:47 PM

Time

Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey

That is true. It's been around longer.

Longest running sci-fi series

maybe except for Barátok Közt

9300+ episodes

@Mephistopheles Is that really science fiction though?

@AndyD273 Well, it did have force ghosts, so who knows?

So fantasy lite at best.

7:54 PM

@AndyD273 More of an existential horror

that makes sense

you won't ever die, because the fans keep bringing you back, but you'll be stuck in an endless cycle of melodrama

Except for Magdi

Her death is a meme as well

That sounds fun. I can't wait to never watch that.

Not that I'd understand it anyway. I'm pretty sure that google translate would screw it up

@AndyD273 "Little too late, hero"

Magdi anyus halála: A kísértet mormota

A YTP version

the best I could find

Killed by ghost raccoon... what a way to go.

8:00 PM

@AndyD273 This is the funniest edit, I had

in the original, she just trips and rolls down the staircase.

Ah, that sound much more boring

@AndyD273 She later comes back as a ghost and indirectly causes her husband a heart attack

Oh, soap operas

When I think my ideas are totally outlandish, I just watch how an entire season was just a dog's dream

and realize I have so much more to learn

Also, Szomszédok, a Kádár-Korszakot megőrizték örökre, minden kínosságával együtt

Szomszédok épitkezés (Reloaded)

Couldn't find the original, sorry

Also, *mandatory Roblox death sound

So I had this idea about a kinda-sorta deity, Liquid Anon, whose corporeal avatar is a magnetorheological, smart fluid

Magnetorheological fluid

A magnetorheological fluid (MR fluid, or MRF) is a type of smart fluid in a carrier fluid, usually a type of oil. When subjected to a magnetic field, the fluid greatly increases its apparent viscosity, to the point of becoming a viscoelastic solid. Importantly, the yield stress of the fluid when in its active ("on") state can be controlled very accurately by varying the magnetic field intensity. The upshot is that the fluid's ability to transmit force can be controlled with an electromagnet, which gives rise to its many possible control-based applications. Extensive discussions of the physics and...

8:22 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

Creating a City of Chaos Tags: reality-checkmedievalcivilizationearth-like In Universe A renowned trader and sorcerer decided to settle down and create a city. It was to be his life's work. The first thing he did was build sewer and water supply systems (if there was one thing he learned fro...

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