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1:40 PM
Hey, @HDE
 
@Gryphon Hey there.
 
How are ya doing?
 
Pretty good. Doing some writing.
How are you?
 
@HDE226868 Not too bad. Been taking a look at finally finishing one of my stories for the blog.
 
Nice! We can always use more of those.
 
1:51 PM
Have you ever written anything for the blog?
Because I'd really like to read some of your stuff.
 
@Gryphon Over a dozen blog posts for Universe Factory, mostly back when we were starting up (my latest is medium.com/universe-factory/…; medium.com/universe-factory/… was maybe the most popular). Nowadays I'm normally writing my own blog, but I have a couple of drafts for Universe Factory that I'm still working on.
 
@HDE226868 Wait, you have your own blog?
Link please?
 
It's medium.com/look-upwards. Irregular posts, really.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing your finished story! Are you happy with how it's going?
 
Interesting.
OTOH, are they sure it wasn't just a wandering star/blackhole that got nabbed into orbit going past a blackhole/star?
 
If anyone likes that, I can also recommend medium.com/starts-with-a-bang, which is . . . very, very good.
 
2:04 PM
I suppose the orbits can tell that.
 
@Hosch250 Yeah, the binary is extremely close, and the eccentricity is quite low (something like .01-.02). That probably doesn't fit a capture scenario. Also capture would require a third body; two solitary objects alone can't start orbiting each other. Of course, it's possible that one of the two originally had a binary companion that was ejected, but that's getting a bit too complicated - and we can again look at the eccentricity and semi-major axis.
 
Yeah. That's where my orbit comment came in :)
Because I knew that captures usually have crazy orbits.
 
Yeah, you were spot on! I was halfway through writing mine when you posted yours. :P
 
I don't know much about this stuff, but I know just enough to be useful sometimes :)
 
Well, there are certainly good resources out there - better than me - to learn about this stuff. There certainly is a bit of an accessibility issue with physics; I think a lot of people hit high school physics, dislike it, and then aren't encouraged to pursue, even though they're probably better at it than they think. So that in turn impacts science education and communication.
I think it also encourages oversimplification in attempts at communication. Of course, then you risk swinging the other way and going into so much detail that you lose or confuse anyone who's trying to understand what you're writing. I've done that waaaaay too much on some of my answers here.
 
2:24 PM
@Gryphon Wow. Subtle. That flew over my head for the first few minutes :) JK. Maybe I'll write a second one, but yeah, they're just 1st drafts.
 
@HDE226868 Actually, I my HS physics was harder than my college physics. And I went and did Advanced Physics too.
Also did Advanced Chemistry.
 
@Hosch250 Ah, interesting.
 
I was thinking about being an engineer before I did computers.
Yeah, the brand was Apologia. A lot of people get turned off because it's written by a creationist, but there's only one chapter in each that deals with creationism/evolution. The rest are just raw science, and in a LOT of detail.
 
Engineering was my chosen direction in high school (I went to a STEM high school), but after taking some classes, I realized physics was more in my league. Engineering had . . . so many standards and protocols and such.
 
BTW, did they ever figure out the mass of a proton?
Or is it still "massless"?
 
2:30 PM
Do you mean neutrinos?
 
No, protons.
 
Protons have always been known to have mass. . .
 
Oh, photons.
I'm dumb.
The light particle/waves.
 
Ah. Yes, photons are massless.
 
Yeah, that's always a wee bit confusing for me. Especially now that they have light sails, and stuff.
They have momentum (I think that's the one) and speed, but no mass.
But then there are equations for determining the one from the other two...
 
2:32 PM
That's one reason that - as I understand it - the Higgs mechanism is interesting. The electromagnetic and weak nuclear forces are both manifestations of a single force, the electroweak force. But the particles that mediate the weak force have mass; photons, which mediate the electromagnetic force, don't. That's one reason why the Higgs is important.
 
Oh, interesting.
 
Oh, yeah, massless momentum is . . . a strange concept.
 
@HDE226868 Maybe all physics papers need to have understanding tiers; Explain it like I'm 5. Explain it like I'm a HS senior. Explain it like I'm Stephen Hawking. Then people can just choose the one that is at their level.
 
@AndyD273 That would be interesting.
 
It would also have the added benefit of forcing the papers author to think through the concept enough to boil it down, which could yield additional insight. Sometimes the act of teaching someone else can help clarify it for the teacher too.
 
2:41 PM
@AndyD273 I love that idea because physics is interesting but often so far over my head that i just don't get it.
 
If I ever have the opportunity to contribute to a scientific paper, I commit to including an ELI5 paragraph at the beginning.
 
Part of me feels like those of us who study science have a duty to communicate it, too. . . We're the most fluent in these concepts, and we should be able to distill things down to more understandable ideas. And that eliminates the middleman when it comes to science writing.
 
Well maybe we can start the movement
 
I hereby announce the founding of the Movement to Write About Science at All Levels to Enhance Scientific Understanding (MWASALESU).
 
Isn't that basically why we have schoolbooks?
 
2:52 PM
@HDE226868 I'm using that as a name for a character in my story.
DONE
He'll be the cheiftan of one of my barbarian tribes.
 
Yeah, but nobody only a few of us read them for fun. Science reading should be made enjoyable, to whatever extent possible.
 
@James Have someone (pretend to) think it's a sneeze and say "Bless you!" when they first hear it.
@HDE226868 It is enjoyable--if you enjoy making your brain work.
The problem as I view it is, most people have fat, lazy brains.
 
Put another way, astro.pas.rochester.edu/~aquillen/ast242/lecturenotes7.pdf is, for most people, less fun than reading about (and looking at pictures like)
. . . even though they're about the same thing.
 
LOL, yeah.
 
That's the Rosette Nebula, by the way.
 
2:57 PM
@HDE226868 Personally I think books like the Manga Guide to Regression Analysis are pretty good "fun schoolbooks".
 
@Secespitus . . . Okay. I'm impressed.
 
@HDE226868 That series has a lot of good books. Statistics, Databases, Linear Algebra, Calculus, ... I think there are also Physics, Chemistry, ...
I have only read the first five I mentioned, but there is also stuff like Relativity and Universe that I want to read at some point when I have the time.
 
I may have to take a look at them.
Oh, that reminds me: Which do people think is more interesting, the Perseus cluster or the Dipole repeller?
 
@Hosch250 One thing with it is that not everyone has the same background. For instance, I could start talking computer building, which is super easy, telling someone what parts they need, how to put the things together, whatever, but without a little background it's just going to whoosh over their heads. For you the physics stuff is fun and easy, but for someone else who is missing key pieces of foundation, it's just frustrating and boring. Also, not everyone's a bird, some people are fish.
 
@AndyD273 Talking about fish, hydrodynamics is one of my weakest points.
As in, I only know it exists. Not really anything else.
@HDE226868 The dipole repeller. I hadn't heard of that before.
Now when someone is irritating me, I can just put them in my dipole repelling zone :P
 
3:13 PM
@HDE226868 I wonder if that's a dark matter thing? the Shapely Supercluster area has a lot of it, and the Dipole Repeller area has a lot less, so things tend to get pulled out of that area. Or it could just be a gravitational high point, like being on top of a hill. Things tend to just roll down away from it.
 
@AndyD273 Now I need to think of a joke about unshapely superclusters...
 
@AndyD273 shrug Time to do some reading. It seems like it's associated with a void - a region of relatively little matter at all.
 
@HDE226868 Sure, but what is causing the void? I kinda like this theory (mostly because I like the brane theory):
 
3:28 PM
Feel kinda weird asking this
But
Does anyone know of any good pictures of a glowing red crystal set against a black background?
 
@AndyD273 See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(astronomy). They're pretty common occurrences.
 
Because I'd like one for a medium story and can't find any
 
Small irregularities ("anisotropies") expanded in the early universe.
 
@FoxElemental Just from google, how's this?
 
 
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5:08 PM
@Gryphon Umm. Not bad, but it has a logo on it and isn't the right shape
 
@FoxElemental Oh sorry, I didn't notice the logo.
 
Looking for a shape like
That
just sharper cut (like diamond)
and red
 
I still can't see imgur pics :(
Can you give me an ASCII art shape?
 
um
What?
 
ASCII art:

O
/|\
Like that is really bad ASCII art of the top half of a stick figure.
 
5:11 PM
/|\
\|/
like that?
 
So like a kite shape, but 3d?
 
but sharp edges+glowing red against a plain background
@Gryphon Yeah
 
OK
Let me see if I can find anything.
 
Should be easily editable. Not sure it's legal for you to use...
 
5:14 PM
This is somewhat close.
 
@Hos Hmm. Background isn't good, neither is the cut (harmonics depend on the cut of the crystal.) But not bad compared to some of the others
@Gry only see a long list
 
Sorry, how's this link:
 
@Andy Nice but no glow (I'm picky, sorry)
 
@FoxElemental google.ca/…
 
5:16 PM
how glowy do you want?
 
@Andy glowy
 
@FoxElemental Easy to add a glow in photoshop.
 
@Gryphon Too square
@Sece wrong cut
 
On a white background?
 
You are picky.
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5:17 PM
@Gryphon Somehow, I think you'd be killed by the G forces far quicker than the time dilation could do anything to you.
 
@Andy no black background
@Gry yes. And I starred that too
 
I think Andy's making a custom glow diamond for you.
 
No black background, but how's this?
 
Hi, @Ko_sct.
 
@Hosch250 Why would G forces be stronger along a time bubble barrier?
 
5:18 PM
Hi, @bruglesco. You tracked me down, I see.
 
I actually have to go for a while, but I'll take another look a little later.
 
Hey @Hosch250 I didnt even expect to see you here.
I frequently jump around the chat rooms when im bored
 
@Gryphon Well, not sure, actually.
But I think something would kill you faster than the time differences between different parts of your body.
 
Besides, wouldn't it be like sticking a steel rod in a soap bubble carefully without popping it?
 
5:20 PM
@Hosch250 Wait, how? The only similarity I can see is the word "bubble".
 
@AndyD273 making new mod diamonds?
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@FoxElemental Well, hopefully that's glowy enough
 
Well, maybe I don't understand the concept of a time bubble well enough :)
 
@Hosch250 It's essentially a spherical area of space where time passes at a different rate.
 
That's what I thought.
 
5:23 PM
@bruglesco No, someone was looking for a picture of a red glowing diamond shape, so I figured I'd take a couple seconds to make one
 
@Hosch250 So how is that anything like sticking a steel rod into a soap bubble?
 
@AndyD273 yeah i scrolled up after I wasted your time with a silly question. Pretty impressive for a few seconds of your time.
 
Well, somehow, I don't think our bodies run on hard time that much. I think the body wouldn't really be affected by the difference that much, regardless of what the clock says.
 
Pretty sure if you are not dealing with spacetime bubbles, there would not be tidal forces between two regions where time passes differently
so you won't be ripped apart so to speak
 
@Hosch250 The thing is, if you stick your hand into a bubble where time is going 10 times slower, 1/10 the blood is getting to your hand per second (of your hand's time), so you're getting gangrene.
That's pretty much what will kill you once the distortion factor gets high enough.
 
5:27 PM
My perspective is that the unit of bloodflow per minute isn't going to work. Wouldn't it be something like unit of bloodflow per unit of (some process in the cells)?
 
Actually... If I stuck a rod into a time bubble of faster time, then the end where the rod enter the faster time region should travel with a faster velocity, and the bit outside will travel with a slower velocity, so momentarily there should be stress developed at the junction between the two regions?
Likewise I will expect a similar thing will happen when you stuck you arms in fast enough (or the time gradient is steep and large enough)
 
Odds are the cells would just process thing slower, so the slower flow per minute is just what it needs.
@Secret That's what I meant by the G forces comment.
But not necessarily G forces.
 
@Hosch250 Oh, that makes sense. If you want to work that into an answer, please feel free.
 
Maybe T (time) forces?
@Gryphon OK :)
 
@Hosch250 Oh crap, I thought about that completely wrong. Give me a second.
 
5:29 PM
time induced forces maybe (basically there is a momentum change because time goes faster or slower)
Meanwhile, I think going from a fast region into a slow bubble should be more or less the same as trying to stuck something into jello
 
So, new example: You stick your hand into a bubble going 10 times faster than normal time. Your hand gets the same amount of blood from your heart as usual, because it's pumping at normal speed. Your hand, however, has cell processes going 10 times as fast, and thus needs 10 times as much blood as normal. However, it's only getting normal bloodflow, so you get gangrene.
 
@Hosch250 But if the hand is on the faster process side than the intake part of the body(mouth and lungs) then the body can't produce enough bloodflow and oxygen to supply the faster processing cells quickly enough.
 
True.
 
@bruglesco Yes, that's what the second example meant.
 
In fact, I wonder if you can have some kind of refraction like phenomenon, except with motion, like you can have atoms in the hand to move fast, and then after the boundary is crossed, it decelerates and then follow the slower time. That should still produce some stress though, akin to a car crumbling when hitting a wall
 
5:33 PM
@Gryphon Meh beat me to it
 
Ignore the first, my brain farted in the middle of it.
 
I was typing not reading
 
@bruglesco Wow, I've never met anyone with the ability to be typung before!
 
@Gryphon sorry on mobile
 
I see. You are forgiven.
 
5:35 PM
Isnt snark forbidden ><
 
If you can show me a rule forbidding it, then it is.
 
~ runs
 
Note: if it is, then I'm going to officially call that comment sarcastic, rather than snarky.
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@Gryphon It is in the new ToC.
We'll all need to move to Discord.
That even forbids jokes.
 
Alternatively, we can just ignore that rule.
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5:39 PM
+1
 
Off to an interview. Nice meeting you @Gryphon
 
Nice meeting you as well, @bruglesco. Pop back into the chat anytime!
 
@bruglesco Good luck!
 
Wow, looking back at the transcript, I'm rather impressed with the number of stars I've managed to rack up in the last few minutes.
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@Gryphon Those who have shall receive more.
 
5:42 PM
The following assumptions must be met for this Bernoulli equation to apply:[11]

the flow must be steady, i.e. the flow parameters (velocity, density, etc...) at any point cannot change with time,
the flow must be incompressible – even though pressure varies, the density must remain constant along a streamline;
hmm... except now we have the problem where the blood flow changes almost instantaneously when crossing the boundary
Assuming the time induced stress does not tear or crumble the blood vessels, the pressure of the blood will rise sharply or fall sharply between the two ends
So a 1st order estimate is to find the maximum pressure that a blood vessel can withstood
and then assuming newtonian time, we can back out the distortion factor
Now to revise how to do fluid problems when pressure changes discontiuously in two regions...
 
@Secret I think I understand what most of those words mean in isolation. In the order you've put them in... I hope you realize you're talking to yourself here.
 
I'll see if I can articulate it a bit...
 
I think you're inventing new physics for fluid dynamics, to deal with the time field boundary splitting everything, but how that works exactly is pretty far over my head.
 
To a first order, the physical effect that the time field boundary has on molecules is that it speeds up or slow down molecules that passes through it (because v=dx/dt, dx remains unchanged but dt changes), as if it is being acted by a force
 
OK, that's understandable.
 
5:55 PM
Here's how I think it would happen:
Slow: 60 sec/emin (earth-minute)
Fast: 120 sec/emin

Heart (slow): bloodflow 1 unit per minute (1 unit per cell-timer)
Hand (fast): bloodflow .5 unit per minute (1 unit per cell-timer)


Heart (fast): bloodflow .5 unit per minute (1 unit per cell-timer)
Hand (slow): bloodflow 1 unit per minute (1 unit per cell-timer)
And because there would still be one unit per cell-timer, it wouldn't affect things.
But I agree that the shock of entering the different times would kill you--but not because of wrong amounts of blood flow per time unit.
 
ok, I think I cannot use the Bernoulli equation, because the fluid density (as determined by the density of red blood cells and the blood plasma) changes
 
I'm probably wrong, though :)
 
> and there is no acceleration of fluid in the pipe
fail, using that will only back out the average blood flow which is not what we want
 
@Hosch250 I don't understand how you are translating .5 units per minute in the Hand (fast) row to (1 unit per cell timer). Each cell is recieving half as much blood as it usually would, because, from the hand's perspective, the heart is sending blood half as fast.
 
@Gryphon Not if the whole body is on a timer that isn't affected by our perceived 4th dimension.
 
6:04 PM
@Hosch250 But, um, it isn't?
 
Is it?
Do we know what timer the body is on?
 
@Hosch250 I guess not by experimental evidence, but Ockham's razor says we should assume it, like everything else, is affected by time distortion effects.
 
Well, OK, I think I agree with you now.
 
@Hosch250 Thank-you.
 
Because that's introducing some sort of 5th dimension.
And if there was a 5th dimension like that, I think it would've been noticed already.
 
6:09 PM
Yep, and, by Ockham's razor, we simply cut that out.
 
Yep. Until we have experimental evidence for it.
Although, it would be an interesting shock factor in some fiction work. Space ship is out of control, everyone thinks they will die, they don't.
 
Another interesting point raised in the comments is that, as a compound crosses the barrier, some atoms cross first, and, if the distortion is high enough, this could rip compounds apart.
 
yeah, that's the time induced stress we talked about some messages above
 
Completely unrelated, but talking about N dimensions, I hear there's a think called string theory.
Any of you experts on that?
 
The string theory expert Acuriousmind and Slereah are in the h bar chat
 
6:13 PM
Cool, thanks.
 
Ok, I must have assumd wrongly about the relationship between density and pressure, as the density backs out as zero, which makes no sense
 
@Andy Near perfect!
@Andy so is there any way to modify it?
 
Do you have photoshop?
 
I can make 1 more change, or you can download gimp and I'll email you the file
 
6:24 PM
Hold on. Gimme a moment and I'll outline what I need changed (thanks for all the help!)
1. Eliminate the middle shading (should look slightly more like //\\ as a top and \\// as the bottom
2. Whiter/brighter glow towards center, with crimson outline
@Andy That's it.
 
I'm not completely sure what you mean by 1? As in, remove the facet faces in the center?
 
Kinda
Like
Change it from a forward facing to a \/\/
/\
\/
inside the outer one
Get it?
 
Sorry, I'm not picturing it :/
 
Can you draw the facets in paint and upload it?
 
6:31 PM
change the innermost facet to the shape of the outermost lining of the crystal
@Hos good idea hold on
 
Ah, I think I'm getting it. The facet face in the middle should be a single facet, instead of having a top and bottom like it does now?
 
well
Just hold on
I'm terrible at drawing
 
I think I can blend out that edge where the two center faces meet.
 
How can I upload it?
 
save it to your computer, and then use the upload button next to the send button next to the text field
 
6:38 PM
AAAA
Never mind. Think a diamond w/in a diamond
and then I'll just have to suck it up and deal w/it
@HDE Not a bad acronym . . . but when I looked it up, google said "Did you mean 'Measles'?" So you should change it.
@Andy just ping me when you have it, please.
 
oops
@FoxElemental closer?
 
@Andy perfect
Thank you!
 
Now, this might be pushing it, but if anyone has a picture of a whale that's been biologically engineered into a ship, that'd be helpful.
 
6:51 PM
(Yes, that's Docker's logo :P)
 
The only problem with a whale ship is that it sinks every time it gets hungry.
 
@AndyD273 Not if you attach bouys to it.
Like the whalers of old.
 
@Hos lots and lots of bouys, then
 
No, they'd just tie ropes to sealed wooden barrels and attach them to the line the whale was harpooned with.
The harpoon would pull on the whale, and it wouldn't go any deeper from the pain.
 
6:54 PM
And you might as well harpoon the whale, because it'd just die from hunger otherwise...
 
balloon whale!
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@Andy well thanks so much for the help. See yall
 
Source file if you want to do anything with it in the future:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P2T1iAaNCjQJmj8d_zJKCVy3j0HjxbiM/view?usp=sharing
 
Approximate blood as non viscous steady fluid, and blood vessel as a cylinderical tube of uniform diameter:

Let $n$ be time distortion factor between end 1 and end 2 of the tube
\begin{align}
\frac{1}{2}v_1^2+gh_1+\frac{p_1}{\rho_1} & = \frac{1}{2}v_2^2+gh_2+\frac{p_2}{\rho_2}\\
\text{Let:}\\
h_1 & =h_2\\
\rho_1 & = \frac{\rho_2}{n} = 1060 \text{kgm}^{-3}\\
p_1 & = 16000 \text{kgm}^{-1}s^{-2}\\
p_2 & = 223 928.25 \text{kgm}^{-1}s^{-2}\\
v_1 & =nv_2 = 0.66\text{ms}^{-1}\\
\text{Then:}\\
\frac{1}{2}v_1^2+\frac{p_1}{\rho_1} & = \frac{1}{2n^2}v_1^2+\frac{p_2}{n\rho_1}\\
So the aorta can withstood a time gradient of 10 times slower without rupture
data info:
 
7:10 PM
@Secret Is that indefinitely?
 
well, an infinite cylinder tube where pressure at one half changes discontinuously to a higher pressure at another half
assuming energy is conserved
so as long $n < 13.8$, going into a slow bubble will not rupture the aorta due to extra pressure due to accumulated blood volume and pressure
 
@Secret Infinite? By that definition, the fluid never reaches the second half...
 
I mean something like this
and the blood density in both regions are different, but otherwise uniform
data for rupture pressure ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23982713 2.21 atm
 
 
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8:32 PM
YAY! The ad I designed for Conlang.SE that's currently up here on WB hit 230 clicks! That's 230 people from WB going over to Conlang!!
Gotta go post that in Conlang chat
The community ad here on WB meta, to clarify
@Gryphon I had to star that :)
 
@FoxElemental Of course you did.
Everything I post should be starred. Because I'm just that awesome.
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Wow. That last blogpost is a proper Victor Hugo.
 
8:53 PM
@Hos which one?
@Gryphon Have to star that too, then :)
 
@FoxElemental The last one.
 
@Hosch250 Yeah, I just finished reading that one. shudder
I would not like to be in that guy's shoes.
 
And at the end, you don't even know if he did it.
Although, from the cut hand, it sounds like the other guy did.
 
Oh I just saw it.
Hadn't been notified
Off to the Universe Factory!
 
BTW, you guys might be interested in: sese.evbpc.com/Sites/…
Friend of mine uses the SE API to get that stuff.
Also, I need a Medium account so I can vote on things.
 
9:04 PM
@Hos it's called clapping
@JBH Hey, I saw you using some sort of code in markdown format when I was editing one of your answers (it started with an ampersand and ended with a semicolon, like, "&;" and I was curious as to what it was. A Markdown variant? HTML? It looks useful, at least if it can be used here. Any resources about simple commands, like the ones you used?
@Hos you can clap up to 40 times per post, btw
 
@FoxElemental It's HTML. For example "&nbsp;" is a non-breaking space, which means that it will not be collapsed. If you write multiple spaces (" ") they will be displayed as only one single space (" "). If you write multiple nbsp ("&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;") it will be displayed as multiple spaces (" "). You can look here for more such entities under the heading "Some Other Useful HTML Character Entities".
 
9:22 PM
Latest blog post: Your Time is Come from a new contributor. (Feed didn't post it here.)
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@Secespitus Oh, got it. Thanks
 
9:55 PM
It's been over a month since I posted this Sandbox draft and I'd like some more feedback, since it's a genuine problem of mine and I'd like to get it proofread for my calculations and what additional information I should include before posting on main. Is anybody willing to give feedback, or should I just post?
 

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