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Q: When's the best time to ask questions?

ZxyrraIs there a specific time of day (please specify timezone you're in to convert from) when the site is most active? Or is there a good time relative to that (directly before, etc) to ask? I will often find that I want more answers - I don't even care about views, but I want a variety of approaches...

 
 
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4:29 AM
Fun fact: Puns used to bee a way of showing ones linguistic prowess, but slowly their comedy value out weighed that and turns them in groan machines (no not, those groans machines)
 
 
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8:20 AM
@MichaelKjörling your GUI question is getting me into a Cyberpunk vibe
 
 
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9:21 AM
@dot_Sp0T You're welcome.
 
@MichaelKjörling have you yet read through all the answers? some are quite interesting
 
 
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10:41 AM
@dot_Sp0T I've skimmed them, but having to actually use GUIs got in the way.
 
@MichaelKjörling so what are you hoping to achieve with the question if you do not mind me asking?
 
@dot_Sp0T Lots and lots of typing, I suppose. :) And a little less reliance on the use of pictograms to represent the different functions of the computer.
 
@MichaelKjörling I'd say adding this to your question, especially the pictogram part, would probably improve answers and steer them into something more akin to that
right now it seems people are focusing heavily on sociologic measures (something that will drive commercial development but not necessarily enough)
Ok nvm, I just remembered that people already preorder the next iPhone
 
You've got a point, though. I'll give that some thought. I've been awfully busy both yesterday actually as well as today, so perhaps am not at my best as far as phrasing questions go.
 
@MichaelKjörling I know that issue, my dragon question went downhill due to that
 
10:55 AM
Was that the one about how to cook your dragon?
Or some other one?
 
@MichaelKjörling yeah; well it always was about taking dragons apart and describing the cuts of meat you get; because asking for recipes is opinion-based from 200 miles against the wind
 
11:15 AM
"How to Slice your Dragon" might have been a snappier question title. The problem is that you need a snappy title to drive traffic to reading and answering. I guess most people answer the title rather than reading the actual question (since they assume the title is a summary of the main question (and can't be bothered to read))
 
@Pete pretty much been the issue; well the now chosen butcher implies raw force, at least before people actually read the first few sentences
 
True. I freely admit that I added a humorous answer. I couldn't really resist it, even though I got stamped on by a moderator. Sometimes the loss of rep points is worth a bit of humour.
 
@Pete humorous answers seldom are bad; it's the balance that makes an answer good
 
11:32 AM
I do end up deleting quite a few answers I create across the SE sites when they've not been well received. Puts me in my place at any rate.
I saw recently that the Kingkiller Chronicles will be made into a TV series. Somehow I can't really see it coming out too well. Some things are best not adapted.
 
11:49 AM
BBC did quite well with the Chronicles of Narnia. Disney, not so much.
 
12:03 PM
The production company for Kingkiller is New Regency. They've made some nice films, but they're not so hot on the TV side (Malcolm in the Middle, The Bernie Mac Show, Roswell). The last fantasy movie they've given us was "Legend" (The one with Tom Cruise, not the David Bowie one).
RE user6760's question about Big Brother. I'm not so sure that people's general privacy would be invaded while the vast majority (well, male) members of the security forces will be doing nothing except watching people having sex.
 
@Pete why do you specifically mention 'male' there?
 
12:25 PM
Because I'm stereotyping.
 
@Pete don't. It only opens venues of attack that will distract from the actual content of something
 
 
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2:30 PM
@MichaelKjörling Because I just watched Disney's Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe last night with my daughter, I have to disagree. That is an excellent movie, and, in my opinion, the single best fantasy adaption to either tv or movie.
 
@kingledion how old is your daughter if I might ask?
 
One
 
@Pete this is a late response, but NOOOOOOOOOOO
 
She didn't watch so much as grab my face and escape to crawl on the floor, but still, it was good
 
@kingledion I feared as much already. See: At this age your daughter will be mightily impressed by the kitties fwur as she might have exclaimed already. The issue there is that the effects and digital afterprocessing of the movie will do their parts to make your daughter overlook the issues in plot and the generally at-most mediocre representation of the books
 
2:44 PM
if you're talking about the movie I think you are, I thought it was pretty faithful to the book. The book wasn't too good, but that's a different matter
 
@dot_Sp0T Ack! Say it ain't so! No movie has been as true to spirit of the book as the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. And I'm saying this as someone who read the entire series to the girl while she was still in utero.
 
@kingledion you have not watched the movie Eragon I believe? It caught the spirit of the books quite well
 
@DaaaahWhoosh While the book is a bit simplistic, it is easy to read and understand for kids, and is chock full of Christian allegory, if you are into that
I did watch Eragon, though I did not read the books. The movie was fine, although not that memorable.
I don't think I've thought about it since I watched it so many years ago.
 
@kingledion the movie was the worst movie based on a book I've ever had the mispleasure to have watched; the books themselves are a cross of StarWars and LotR
 
it does have a pretty well-defined magic system, though
 
2:47 PM
It's called The Force
 
but the Force isn't well-defined. And you can't snap brain stems with it
 
I admit I haven't even read further than the yellow book
 
I read... three of them, I think. They were coming out as I read them, so I eventually forgot to pick up the next one
 
yep the yellow one is the third
blue, red, yellow
and then green?
iirc
 
I ended up not liking the magic. It's like in sci-fi when you know their FTL engines could destroy entire planets, but they just don't
it's a big problem, I know, and it's easier to just not talk about it, but that kind of stuff bothers me
 
2:52 PM
that's why you like worldbuilding, you want there to be reasons, even though the eventual reader/player might not ever have to know about them
 
@dot_Sp0T Well they were written by a 17 year old, if I recall. So they were probably going to be pretty straightforward and derivative.
 
@kingledion according to my google-fu the first book came out in 2003, and at least when the second book was due I started finding them bland (that was in 2005/6 when I was 12/13) so I don't know. I don't think age has necessarily to do with writing skill
 
I thought the books were good, and interesting. But maybe they were just too long?
 
@dot_Sp0T If you were older you would think so :)
 
@kingledion I've just been proven different
 
3:35 PM
Well our unanswered question count is back down to zero
 
lol not any more
someone just asked a new question
 
Yeah, that one sounds like a duplicate
 
it does
 
Or at least similar to a couple I've seen
 
I found a question about a 48-hour-day, which should be somewhat similar
 
3:39 PM
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Q: How would a Venusian day/night cycle (one Venus day is ca.117 earth days) affect an otherwise earth-like world?

Goblin1999Would the world freeze up with two month long nights? Would it burn in the day? How would animal life adapt to such long cycles? Plant life?

^Kinda broad, no?
 
@SerbanTanasa we're thinking it's a duplicate, but yes, it also seems broad
 
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Q: Stabilizing the Temperature On a Planet With a (Very) Long Day

Midwinter SunLet's say my terrestrial planet has a stable circumbinary orbit around two suns similar to the Kepler-47 system, in the habitable zone, with an orbit similar to Kepler-47c. The challenge here is that I'm trying to set it up similarly to Venus, with a retrograde rotation (probably from an ancient ...

 
specifically 'too many questions'
 
close it up, hate to use the single-vote close thing
 
What just happened: "Hey, we've got all questions on here answered! Whoopie" "Wait, nope, there's a new one.." "NO THERE IS NOT!"
 
3:41 PM
hehe
 
Hey all. Not been here in ages!
 
@JoeBloggs welcome back!
 
How are things in the world of worldbuilding?
 
they're probably fine and/or great, but I am a pessimist
 
3:56 PM
@JoeBloggs We have a shiny new vodcast (see top link in the starred comments.)
 
oh yeah, I still need to draw stuff for that
I have a rough design, I want it to be what the last picture was, but also with a giant octopus
aww, but I have so many other hobbies now
 
Think of the greater good
 
@dot_Sp0T you're right... if I don't play as the Medic, who will?
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Get on it! The world, the world! needs your artwork!
 
@Green actually the world needs a functioning logistics network so everyone gets food
 
4:08 PM
@dot_Sp0T naaaaaaaah
who needs to eat when pictures of a dragon fighting an octopus in space exist?
 
@dot_Sp0T what are you, some kind of communist?? </potentially misunderstood humour>
@DaaaahWhoosh: I need that picture...
 
@dot_Sp0T I'd argue that the world needs a permanent solution to income inequality but a good logi network is a good start.
 
@Green income inequality is another issue, mostly based on capitalism and financial systems.
 
Hey, how goes.
 
E.g. in Switzerland where I live we have a strong currency, thus we have, what is perceived by others as, high wages/income. What we also have is comparatively high prices, which in turn equals out the income situation. Now we're a relatively small country, and the surrounding countries have weaker currencies (aka the Euro); so two things emerge: People driving into another country to do shopping (stuff in Germany/France is cheaper than here, due to their economy..)
 
4:17 PM
@dot_Sp0T If you can solve income inequality (and by association, solving poverty) then the logistics network will work itself out because the poor/remote people not currently served will have enough money/value to make it worth the investment to get a logistics network out to them.
 
AND People from Germany, France, Italy, Austria working in Switzerland but living in their own country, thus earning comparatively more money than if they worked in their own country
 
@dot_Sp0T Do you get many people complaining about foreigners taking your jobs?
 
btw if anyone got a pointer (harhar I am so funny) on how I could make my answer to Michael KJörlings (shame on me if I got it wrong again) GUI question clearer and easier on the eye I'd be delighted
@AndyD273 yes we do, we recently even passed a motion about forcing companies to consider in-land-workforce before hiring experts from other countries
About 50% or more of the people I work with at the office are not from this country
When I worked in another town about 40% travelled over the border every day to come to work
 
that happens in a lot of places, though I guess over country borders is worse than over state borders
I know my dad worked in Pennsylvania while we lived in West Virginia, though I'm not sure if that's because it was cheaper or because he didn't want to move
 
@DaaaahWhoosh it's a whole other level of the issue; you've got different economies mixing up and stuff, so it hurts double
 
4:28 PM
@dot_Sp0T yeah, I guess you guys are hurt but everyone else gets a lot out of the deal
 
@dot_Sp0T I wonder if Switzerland could just put some kind of tax penalty on people who work there but don't live there...
 
The joke's though that what really hurts the whole system is the generated hatred towards people 'stealing our jobs'
 
@dot_Sp0T okay, we definitely have that in the US
 
The issue is that big companies (and there's a huge number of them in Switzerland as we're an tech nation..) will hire the cheapest people and lay off others in Switzerland
There's the situation of laying off people that are not needed anymore which is just fine; but there's also banks and similar companies laying off and relocating whole branches of development just to make a small net-gain that will be negated due to lost knowledge
 
@dot_Sp0T The exact same thing happens here in the US. Offshoring of jobs is one way. A more pernicious approach is the use of cheaper H1B visa holders (H1B is a "I work here and plan to emigrate" visa) to replace higher paid native tech workers. Disney and several other large corps have done this.
@dot_Sp0T Employee turn-over and lost institutional knowledge never seems to make it into the beancounter's calculations.
 
4:35 PM
@Green nope, because the people making these decisions do not work for the companies long enough to be caught in the fallout; they have their yearly goals to save so and so many dollares and muchos dollares can be saved by laying off people, after all they're just assets
 
Worse still, the corp requires the employee to train their replacement as a condition of their severance package. Don't train your replacement, get zero money.
 
@Green sounds funny; we don't even have the time to train them if we wanted to
 
@dot_Sp0T And these business consultant contractors are under heavy pressure to show savings of any kind, by any means.
 
another 20 to go for another 200er day, and this time I didn't even write any answer
 
4:50 PM
@dot_Sp0T Congratulations!
 
I only have 30 till I get a 200 day...
 
@AndyD273 Congratulations, Mr. Bubbles!
 
I only have 35 rep for the day, but I have 13131 total rep, so I am happy
 
Ok, only 20 now.
Most of it is from DaaaahWhoosh's space dust question.
 
;)
(that's not a wink, I just have space dust in my eye)
 
5:03 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh Link me to something of yours to downvote
I mean
Upvote
 
@NexTerren but I have palindrome rep!
get on my level, madam!
my stats are deified
 
Are we not pure? “No sir!” Panama’s moody Noriega brags. “It is garbage!” Irony dooms a man; a prisoner up to new era.
Hm. Now I need to find the longest one...
 
@NexTerren seems cheaty to me, there's commas that do not mirror as well as no real structure
 
@dot_Sp0T I don't think punctuation and spacing count
 
@dot_Sp0T Mmm, right. Also I'd argue that a sentence should convey an actual meaning; it has to make sense. If I have to read it multiple times and I'm still confused, it's gibberish, not English.
 
5:09 PM
@AndyD273 they count for me, where do we get if we do not count real things?!
 
@dot_Sp0T Imaginary numbers?
 
It's like being overtaken on the GUI question by that silly answer that does not take into account that it's wrong
 
This is an official palindrome: “A man, a plan, a canal—Panama!”
 
@NexTerren they are real
 
@dot_Sp0T Mathematicians debate that.
 
5:10 PM
@AndyD273 according to whom?
@NexTerren they are imaginary!
 
@dot_Sp0T Officials.
 
The people that make the palindrome rules.
 
@NexTerren uhm.... I mean really, by whom? Anyone can write that word, it doesn't convey more
 
Don't argue with me, I don't make the rules.
 
@dot_Sp0T (That was a 100% non-serious statement)
 
5:11 PM
You're on the internet, post at least a link to these officials
whoop, I've reached 200; let's hope it stays that way
 
Lunch time!
 
TIme for Dinner!
 
I don't believe in food-based times
 
5:30 PM
Lunch time!
 
@DaaaahWhoosh I believe in a hungry tummy. It won't let me forget it.
 
@AndyD273 Agreed. What's really fun is to start weight training and aiming for 3000 calories a day. It doesn't matter what it is, stuff it in your face.
 
Isn't that called dirty benching?
 
@inappropriateCode I think so. The word "dirty" was certainly in the description though I'm not sure about "benching".
 
But weight training takes precious time
 
5:43 PM
Of course, you do need to get the right amount of protein (and the right mix of aminos). That part does matter.
@dot_Sp0T 30 minutes every two or three days ain't that bad.
'course, that's my calculus. Yours will be different.
 
it sounds like too much effort... Finding a local gym, getting accustomed to the rules and people there, trying to do your own thing while there's other people around... people in general.. people
 
I probably need to start working out. When longsword sparring, I've noticed that I pretty much can't block anything
 
@dot_Sp0T My objective is to get as strong as my schedule and genes will allow. For me, all those obstacles you listed are merely inconviences, not deal breakers.
 
@Green people are the major issue I didn't go through the last time I tried to take up training
 
@DaaaahWhoosh I've enjoyed and seen good results from the Starting Strength program.
@dot_Sp0T I know what you mean. I aim to be at the gym when everyone else isn't.
Starting Strength is the most bullshit-free program I've seen. You don't see many books/programs that frequently reference research literature (though I wish the author would include the actual references instead of just alluding to them) instead of "I heard this exercise platitude once so it must be true!"
 
5:51 PM
@Green I read that as "program that costs nothing but is bullshit" rather than "program that has no bullshit"
 
@DaaaahWhoosh does that help?
 
@Green does misreading help? No, probably not. Does your recommendation help? Maybe, I'll look into it
 
@DaaaahWhoosh These are the two books I have, one for programming and one on technique
 
PROGRAMMING? (looks up from c#)
2
oh.
 
@inappropriateCode Ha! Got'chu!
 
5:56 PM
:( </3
 
If only it was so easy... Body andy = me; andy.abs = flat; andy.maxlift = 5000;
 
import muscles;
 
@inappropriateCode C# bro.
 
@Green not an option for me, because I'd either be late for work or would have to walk 4 kilometers to get home :)
 
6:06 PM
@AndyD273 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! OH dang! That's such brilliant parody!
 
Eugh, "bro". It's such an ugly term of endearment.
 
@inappropriateCode I use it, like hashtags, for humorous effect. I have not once said "bro" seriously.
 
@Green They are the masters of the art
 
I keep getting notifications for a Spanish-speaking Java chatroom, asking me to moderate their comments.
@inappropriateCode Your sarcastic laughter was deserved, but only begrudgingly accepted.
 
6:10 PM
Both of those comments are brilliant :D
 
Holy crap, I'm looking at C++ for the first time in almost a decade.
 
@Green Once you go down the dark path, forever it will dominate your destiny.
 
@Green DO YOU NEED HELP? TWITCH ONCE FOR YES. guys, grab the 2x4, we might need to help him break eye contact.
 
My oldest friend started doing OOP in Java, then started C++ at work, then moved on to C. After doing the latter for a while his girlfriend asked for his help on her dissertation done in C++. He then complained that he had a mini existential crisis because he'd forgotten how to static object. And was evidently useless.
 
@NexTerren I'm reading this C++ so that the Python bindings will hopefully make sense. The package I want to use "supports" Python but there are no examples and the original code is C++, therefore all the examples are in C++ too.
Pffeeh, Pffeeh. Finish up the docs, guys!
 
6:13 PM
@Green Oooh, gotcha. I hate it when things like that happen.
 
orz
 
Any of you well versed in several web frameworks/etc? As in have working knowledge with a few of the big ones?
@dot_Sp0T Hello there, .0
 
@NexTerren Sorry, I've tried to steer clear of web development as much as possible.
 
@NexTerren Like what ones?
 
@AndyD273 React, AngularJS, Angular 2, etc.
 
6:14 PM
@NexTerren why do you need them?
 
I have been using hibernate at work if that counts for anything.
 
I do a lot of web development, but I only do drupal with a gun to my head
 
Hibernate isn't a webframework
 
I've been using AngularJS, thinking about making the jump to Angular 2 after some self study, but figured I should take a step back in case there's something better out there. Was hoping somebody would have working-knowledge-level advice.
 
which is why I said "if that counts for anything"
 
6:15 PM
I've used Angular and JQuery, but not in a while
 
@NexTerren better for what?
You need to give us parameters
PARAMETERS GDAMNIT
 
@NexTerren Angular2 is so different from Angular you might as well just start there
 
@NexTerren I'd check Hacker News for some well reasoned opinions on the various frameworks.
 
@dot_Sp0T Honestly "hobby work, and small projects in my non-developer group at work." I don't want to learn 3 frameworks to that end, just want something clean, and multipurpose. Nothing specialized.
 
WebFramework.whatToChose(WhatAreYouGonnaDoWithIt?, WhyDoYouWannaLearnIt?)
 
@Green I shall check it out, Green. Thanks.
 
@NexTerren that's the issue with people, you don't learn XY and then try to force it upon something else...
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Agreed. Took a 1 week boot camp for Angular2, and it seems quite powerful, but my head was spinning coming from AngularJS.
 
Find something you want to do, then choose the tool right for it
 
HN is a fantastic website anyway. It's like all the smartest people from StackOverflow got together in chat to talk about stuff.
 
6:18 PM
@dot_Sp0T I disagree. So far in my both private and professional careers, literally everything I've wanted to code backend-side has been doable just fine with C#. There might be a language with some more advantages, but the advantages aren't significant enough to justify the switching costs. Technologies can be multipurpose.
 
@NexTerren C# is not a framework but a language
 
Obviously we're taking frameworks and not languages, but I don't know of any reason AngularJS, for example, doesn't work.
@dot_Sp0T Well if we want to be super technical with what I said, swap "C#" with ".Net" and my statement still stands!
 
nope, because .Net is huge
but nvm
point is, there is a job you wanna do, and there is a tool for it
 
But it is a framework, since you wanted to be overly technical with my parallel. :P
 
You can drill holes with a screwdriver, but a drill might be better
There's nothing you cannot do with the JDK
Still you might choose hibernate over using built-in things for example
you might use a framework such as Spring instead of writing servlets
 
6:21 PM
I've found that something like Angular has almost a completely opposite philosophy to something like JQuery... wait, you guys switched to server-side?
 
You will use JQuery instead of plain Javascript in order to load content
I'm just throwing out examples
 
JQuery is... mm. What am I trying to say...
 
@NexTerren it's the answer to everything
 
React is very nice for creating html content and dynamically render it
but you won't use it as a server
because 'why
 
@DaaaahWhoosh It's... it's a JavaScript manipulation/simplification library. It's not really a replacement for something like Ember, or React, or AngularJS.
 
6:23 PM
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Q: When is "use jQuery" not a valid answer to a JavaScript question?

Richard JP Le GuenHow many JavaScript questions can be answered with "use jQuery"? Looking at JavaScript questions, all too often the answer seems to be "use jQuery," sometimes in as few words. We can end up with answers which feel more like plugs getting the asker to try jQuery (the Silver Bullet) than a concise...

 
For some of those frameworks it works with them, others it kind of bashes heads with.
 
Well, Ember is a piece of steaming shit
 
@dot_Sp0T See! An opinion!
:P
 
@kingledion Did you ever end up finding some of the errors you said my program raised for you?
 
But seriously, why do you say that?
@dot_Sp0T Yeah, sticking with C# server-side now unless I have some specific reason to change.
 
6:24 PM
Because it advertises itself as a solution to render websites, but forces you to use a JavaScript backend
 
@dot_Sp0T ...Huh. That's odd. That's a concern it shouldn't have.
 
@NexTerren u no saying
Try finding some framework that really does only do what you want it to
Most of them are overengineered and unusable unless you want to blast something form 4kb up to 40mb
 
@dot_Sp0T This I do not wish to do!
 
@NexTerren The size of Javascript frameworks is one of the things that bugs me, especially considering you have to download them every damn time you load the page.
 
@Green you do not, if manage your links cofrectly
But nobody does that
 
6:39 PM
@dot_Sp0T comforting.
@dot_Sp0T not comforting
 
because webdevs are geared to push out stuff instead of making it correct
also people are stupid
 
Yeah, you can manage it on the web server side to enforce caching. I learned that when the development web server was caching my (custom) javascript files without telling me, or my debugger!
Which was unfortunate for a day's of productivity!
 
@NexTerren why would you do that
you can just download them from a static CDN instead
 
@dot_Sp0T Ask our web infrastructure team.
 
so you use the same source as e.g. Google
bam problem solved
 
6:41 PM
Oh, this was my custom files.
 
can still make a CDN
 
Like NewFunctionality.js
 
and add caching rules, yeah
I also do not see why you would have more javascript than basic utilities etc needed to load content or send requests to a server
 
@HDE226868 I was unfortunately sidetracked, I thought I would get to it again this weekend.
 
So 98% of our users are either in the same town as the servers, or at the mirrored location, so CDN is overkill for my company's apps.
 
6:42 PM
unless you wanna cheap out on your provider and have the client do everything
 
After finals next week I have a bunch of math-y projects to work on, including that one. I did want to ask what was, you know, the purpose of the generator? Once you have all these stars, what do you do with them?
 
CDN can be as much as a static folder on your webserver where your requests are forwarded to if they match a certain path
 
@dot_Sp0T AngularJS uses many custom JS files. Not large ones, but it does use them. One controller.js for each view.html, and we like separating the data-layer (in our cases calling an API) in a separate folder.
 
@NexTerren it sounds like a huge pain
 
@dot_Sp0T Eh, the only pain I felt was the weakly typed nature. The separate files didn't bug me.
 
6:45 PM
Is there no simple framework that allows IDing some html objects or divs and then automagically request their content from a REST service?
 
@dot_Sp0T Well you need to account for advance data validation, and compiling a form into a single REST request. Seems like you'd just be making messy HTML at that point, and stuffing bits of business logic into your view.
 
@kingledion That's fine. I can search for some bugs this week.
 
Seems like a bad idea, but then again greater minds than my own are the ones designing these frameworks.
 
@NexTerren that's the point, NO logic in the html
just simple lnking
 
@dot_Sp0T So how do you do advanced data validation without a separate .js file?
I'm missing something.
 
6:49 PM
@NexTerren as my ex once told me: It's not you, it's me
 
@dot_Sp0T But that's the oldest lie in the book! It is me!
 
btw @Red how about another round of Factorio?
 
@dot_Sp0T That saying always reminds me of Jonathan Coulton's song "Someone is Crazy"
 
@dot_Sp0T I'm at work right now and have committments this evening (EST). I could do something on Friday.
 
@Green ah no hurry no hurry; friday won't work for me, this weekend is the 37th ludumdare jam
 
@AndyD273 Good song!
@dot_Sp0T I've spent most of my time recently working on a programming project on xenobiology.
 
@Green but why?
 
@AndyD273 That song makes me laugh like this:
 
@Green I know someone I've had to hum tune to that one when they get going...
 
@dot_Sp0T because figuring out what an alien's hand might look like is more compelling than drawing lots of conveyor belts on the ground.
 
7:01 PM
@Green you abhore me
 
@dot_Sp0T I abhore you? That's an unusual word choice.
Do I disgust you?
 
Trying out vocab I don't get to use that often
Conveyor belts must always come first
don't you smudgen the creed!
 
@dot_Sp0T I'm working the conveyor belts on the grand scale of species evolution and intergalactic civilizations.
...which today means pouring through a ton of C++ code to see how things work.
 
(pretty sure it's spelled 'abhor')
 
FINALLY!!!!! EXAMPLE CODE IN PYTHON!!!! Oh happy day!
Ehm, yes. Example code is good. Calm it down Green.
 
7:26 PM
did somebody say python? because they are correct
 
7:37 PM
@Green This is worth getting excited about.
And a comment I made on Reddit peaked at 7 points. It is now -14.
 
@NexTerren Dang, that's a lot of Reddit unlove.
 
Oddly I made two comments defending my comment, and they're both at positive 14. On the same thread.
Reddit is an enigma wrapped in a mystery.
 
@NexTerren wrapped in the emotions of a million strangers.
@kingledion After staring at C++ all day, python examples are welcome.
However, I've just found that the 3.3 version of the package I want doesn't really support Python, but there's a beta 4.0 version (that I'll need to build myself) that hopefully includes better Python support.
...and Visual Studio takes forever to download and install.
 
@Green it also devours your firstborn
 
7:53 PM
Born of the fist he was forth known as: The Fistborn!
 
@dot_Sp0T Fist ro Daaaah!
 
8:09 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh Jokes on Visual Studio then. I'm not having children. :)
 
yeah, I guess as far as child-eating opportunities go, programmers are a pretty bad choice
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Some of us have to find a surrogate to install it for us.
Luckally the other IT guy here is unmarried.
 
nooo rep
 
8:43 PM
@Green What are you using Visual Studio for? I haven't played around with it a lot, but PyCharm seems to be a better editor for python than Visual Studio is: jetbrains.com/pycharm
 
9:07 PM
@NexTerren I need it as a compiler only, not as an IDE. I prefer Jetbrains anything to most everyone else.
 
I thought Python didn't compile
oh... never mind, the rest of the code isn't actually in Python, right?
 
The package I need for my sim requires VS as the compiler on Windows. Not worth fighting with cygwin etc to get what I need.
 
I have had the hardest time trying to get a VS project to compile on another server
by 'hardest' I mean I installed as many things as I could and it still did not work
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Almost all my glue code will be Python but the heavy lifting is compiled C++ or Python libraries that I'm not worried about.
 
9:25 PM
on a completely unrelated note, has anyone read any recent Star Wars novels? I'm considering trying to get up-to-speed with the new canon
 
9:41 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh No, though I have "The Force Awakens" in my queue. I've heard some of the back story novels for Rogue One are pretty good.
 
hmm, I guess it can't hurt to go down to the local bookstore one of these days, see what's in stock
 
9:58 PM
though I just looked up some reviews, someone said reading Aftermath was like watching Episode 1
so maybe I'll just stick to slogging through Green Mars
 
@Green Good man.
 
10:24 PM
So what'd I miss today?
also. @Green you suck
 
@James Well, I can't bloody well write the whole thing in COBOL.
@James If you want to reimplement a great many PhD thesises, you're welcome to do so. I prefer to deliver.
 
@Green ...I mean, I know what COBOL is...but I don't get the joke
 
@James COBOL is for business logic, accounts payable, schtuff like that. There's also no evolutionary algorithm, neural network, musculoskeletal or physics libraries in COBOL.
Any single of those libraries represents many man-decades of work which I have neither time nor inclination to reimplement (and I'd likely do it wrong.)
 
oh dear what happened here?
 
Explosions!
 
10:30 PM
@Green How do I put this nicely: What the f... , no , Are you out of your god@#$ ... no , Hey! Jacka.... no
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There's a starred comment containing the name of the forbidden IDE
 
@James Dude. You've spent at least three hours talking to me face-to-face and many more hours over text. You know precisely how out of my god-damned mind I am. :)
 
That's a good point actually.
 
This is not without precedent either. I spent a couple of days trying to figure out what would happen in a species with three genders.
 
Ok. That was refreshing. I have to bail now. I am going to go kick and punch stuff for a while.
 
10:32 PM
Besides, if this project works out, we'll know what an alien's hand might look like.
 
(Taekwondo class with the 1st grader)
 
@James Nice.
 
@Green Key word being might
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later
:D
 
@James True, might but there will be some fitness proof involved instead of pure speculation.
 
@Green That sentence is the single thing I know about your xenobiology project, and I hope it sounds as cool in context as it does out of context.
 
10:43 PM
@HDE226868 Thanks :) That's very encouraging.
My idea is to evolve a "hand" that can do everything that the human hand can do but doesn't look like a human hand.
 
Ooh. Are we talking simulating evolution, then?
 
Are you running any graphical stuff or what exactly are you doing?
 
I found a page that says there are 6 different fundamental tasks the hand can do. I figure that if an alien hand can do all those things then that's sufficient capability/potential to get that species into orbit. After all, we can do those six tasks and we're in space.
@dot_Sp0T The simulations will be non-graphical but the output will certainly be something that can be rendered.
No sense in having an alien hand that you can't see.
 
But what do you do? Run random stuff and then validate against a set of checks?
 
Also, because I'm doing the muscle and bones, hypothetically, the alien hand could be 3d printed and instrumented.
@dot_Sp0T I've got six tasks that each candidate must attempt and possibly a seventh.
I may have to introduce other fitness tests too as I find local optimizations that I want to avoid.
 
10:49 PM
nvm, do you opensource your code?
 
@dot_Sp0T Pretty much. I generate a generation of individuals, test them for fitness, the most fit individuals breed and survive while the less fit individuals die.
@dot_Sp0T Normally, I'd say yes but given the degree and novelty of this work, I'm not going to automatically open source the code.
I have it in the back of my head that I might want to publish the results....In short, I don't know yet.
 
@Green was mostly asking because it would probably be easier to read the code in order to understand what you're doing than trying to ask you about it
 
@dot_Sp0T I'm still working out which parts of the simulation I want to be run by which products. Physics, muscle and bones will be done in OpenSim (SimTK). Rendering/visualization in Blender. Neural Networks/muscle control using PyBrain.
There's not even scaffolding code yet.
 
So you've basically got a glorified idea so far?
 
@dot_Sp0T Yep, hopefully I'll get farther than glorified ideas with this project. I'm very much in the habit of having an awesome idea, figuring out how to do it then moving on to something else after I've figured out the general idea of how I'd do it.
 
10:55 PM
@Green nothing wrong about good ideas
I theoretically have to rig my gameengine up until friday but I am sceptic at best
 
@dot_Sp0T Good thing too :) I get so many ideas.
 
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