The Frying Pan

:) I have but, I was wondering if there is something else that will probably counter the sweetness of the tarts. Anyways, maybe I'm just wasting time....

Mien

I think you are :p

Hmm, perhaps lemon water?

The sour could contrast with the sweet?

I don't know, we don't have Poptarts here.

Nunoxic

12:34 PM

Doesn't go that well. It tastes weird.

Mien

I would go with water then.

Nunoxic

I think so too. Thanks :)

Mien

You're welcome.

ElendilTheTall

I'd have milk

proper milk, not skim

Mien

Well, that was my first hunch as well. But since OP already said skim milk, I left it at that.

ElendilTheTall

12:38 PM

skim milk isn't milk, it's milky water

or might as well be

Mien

We buy semi-skimmed.

ElendilTheTall

us too

Cerberus

2:16 PM

@Nunoxic Black tea?

Coffee?

That's what you would typically drink with sweet pastries.

Ice tea if the weather is hot.

rfusca

@elendil RUN! meta.photo.stackexchange.com/questions/2135/…

tastefive

@rfusca thats pretty cool

rfusca

@tastefive ya, i did the first round, i still gotta write it up. @elendil was wanting to get in on the next one

@taste hows the restaurant thing looking?

tastefive

2:36 PM

@rfusca We are progressing, taking it slow and all. But things are looking good. We have yet to settle on a name. Hopefully we will come to an agreement this weekend so we can start the fundraising.

rfusca

@tastefive any ones you're particularly thinking of?

tastefive

@rfusca Well I have a list from just brainstorming. Nothing that really stands out to ma yet as a good candidate.

rfusca

@tastefive ic, ic

hobodave

mornin'

Laura

@ElendilTheTall new round of photo gear grant posted just now. dunno when your holiday is, but as long as people keep signing up and creating good content, i plan to continue this every month.

tastefive

2:41 PM

I was thinking just Taste, but there are a good amount of restaurants called that

hobodave

good to see you weren't consumed by a tornado @tastefive

tastefive

@hobodave thanks, came within a mile from my wife's work though. Got scary for a bit.

rfusca

@Laura hopefully we'll see a lot of activity crosses fingers

tastefive

@rfusca for a while a play off the word street with str*eats* was a popular one but it has seemed to lose its appeal.

rfusca

@tastefive definitely not my fav

tastefive

2:44 PM

@rfusca nope, that is why I say nothing really popping out just yet.

Mien

@hobodave gm :)

tastefive

just a bunch of brainstorming at this moment. if it was a traditional restaurant I know what the name would be but I don't think it works for this concept.

Cerberus

@tastefive What do you see as typical for your restaurant? What makes it stand out?

And what cuisine will you serve?

rfusca

@tastefive what would it be?

Mien

What is the concept? Just Italian?

Cerberus

2:46 PM

Oh, Italian?

tastefive

@rfusca It would be Lillia's after my grandma

Cerberus

@rumtscho: What does it say here?

tastefive

@Mien No not italian. This is the pay-what-you can restaurant. Cooking with fresh and local(when possible) ingredients is the only real restriction for the menu. Open to any cuisine and actually we will try and feature certain ones.

Cerberus

It is supposed to be funny, and people among my FB friends are laughing and commenting.

I hope it's not too childish.

tastefive

@Cerberus what does the caption read?

Mien

2:49 PM

@tastefive Ooh, exciting!

Cerberus

@tastefive I'm asking Rum.

Pay what you can?

tastefive

@Cerberus yes

Cerberus

How does that work?

tastefive

@Cerberus no menu prices, people will literally pay what they can afford for the meal. If you can afford to pay more you do so to help those that cant.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

So maybe refer to that in the name?

tastefive

2:52 PM

That plus outside donations keeps the whole thing running

Cerberus

Like Cher Ou Pas Cher (making something up).

Mien

lol :p

hobodave

so I had an embarrassing moment at the gym last night

Mien

what did you do?

tastefive

@Cerberus lol

hobodave

2:54 PM

I got so excited after a deadlift that I hit the wall with my arms, and smashed right through it

Hahaha :D

@hobodave awesome

Ouch!

that's not embarrassing!

That's awesome :D

Cerberus

What kind of a wall is that!

hobodave

2:55 PM

totally embarrassing

just drywall

Mien

You really are getting stronger, aren't ya? ;)

hobodave

a child could break drywall

my face turned bright red and I burst out in laughter and apologies

Mien

:p

Do you have to pay up?

rfusca

@hobo-"The Hulk"-dave

hobodave

haha

I offered to, they just put a whiteboard over it

Mien

2:56 PM

:)

I don't think someone happen to videotape it?

hobodave

haha no

Cerberus

Their fault for putting stupid paper walls in a gym!

Laura

@tastefive that's a really awesome concept. I would go to that restaurant. :)

Cerberus

Protip: don't move to a Japanese house made of rice paper.

hobodave

I think someone took a picture though @Mien

Mien

2:58 PM

I hope I'll see it :)

rfusca

i've had pork shoulder on the smoker for about 18 hours now

Mien

And how long are you planning on smoking it?

@derobert how did your sous vide dish turn out btw?

rfusca

@Mien till its done

i hold the smoker temp at 210 F and I really want the meat to get to about 203

that sounds way overcooked, but its definitely not

hobodave

@Mien

Mien

:D

hobodave

3:12 PM

lame it came out sideways

HULKSMASH!

good gracious man

left is up

Yeah, thought so :)

@Cerberus I see no link?

rfusca

3:13 PM

well, I assumed you weren't a midget

Mien

You're an animal

Cerberus

@rumtscho Huh? Do you see this?:

26 mins ago, by Cerberus

Mien

;)

hobodave

wrong way @Mien :P

Mien

You said 'left is up'!

hobodave

3:14 PM

strange it appears dropbox has rotated the image

it's correct on my computer

Cerberus

@hobodave Wow, two holes, no less!

hobodave

unless it looks different for you too @Mien, you moved the left side down

Mien

hobodave

I forearm slammed it

there we go

rfusca

@hobo its probably more such that your computer auto rotates in accordance with meta data on the image

rumtscho

3:15 PM

rfusca

and dropbox doesn't

rumtscho

@cerberus I don't know what "here" is

Mien

28 mins ago, by Cerberus

hobodave

@rfusca likely, but strange because I've never experienced that with dropbox before

rumtscho

@mien this is what I see. Really nothing.

Cerberus

3:17 PM

@rumtscho Huh??

Wow that is weird.

rumtscho

OK, disabled adblock

Mien

and now?

ABP is enabled here.

rumtscho

Now I see it.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Was it Adblock? I have it on too.

rumtscho

It says "The perfect woman"

Cerberus

3:18 PM

Hmm something odd about your filters, then.

Ahh OK.

So totally lame.

Thanks!

Mien

What did you hope?

Cerberus

Nothing, just curious.

By the way, why is she drinking the beer instead of carrying it?

rumtscho

@Cerberus I think that if she hadn't been drinking it, she wouldn't have been declared perfect

Cerberus

@rumtscho But that's silly!

rumtscho

At least this is how I understand it - not only is she busty and blonde, but she also appreciates beer, instead of nagging her husband that he drinks too much of it

Cerberus

3:20 PM

Bringing bear > drinking beer.

If she drinks it all, there's nothing left.

rumtscho

There is some logic to that...

Especially if she actually drinks it from a maß

I'm trying to remember if hofbräu is such a good beer. But I don't think I've ever had it.

Cerberus

Exactly.

I dunno.

rumtscho

After all, Augsburg is whole 50 km from Munich. So it has its own regional beer, it doesn't import Munich beer.

Cerberus

I watched a television programme about beer yesterday.

hobodave

I enjoy hofbrau

Cerberus

3:23 PM

They consulted a beer connoisseur and discussed the difference in taste between the various popular brands.

Like Heineken, Grolsch, etc.

Not dark or white beers.

And it turned out that there was very, very little difference between them.

rumtscho

@hobodave It probably is a good beer, given that it is so popular in Munich. But I'm not sure how it compares to other classic light lagers.

Cerberus

The connoisseur couldn't taste which was which.

rumtscho

@Cerberus between light lagers? Of course not, especially when chilled

A light beer doesn't have that much taste. Especially the big brands.

Cerberus

Which confirms my belief that people who prefer Heineken over Amstel or whatever are ehmm well.

rumtscho

You can taste the difference when the brands are of different quality.

Cerberus

3:25 PM

Just buy the cheapest Aldi beer and people won't be able to tell.

rumtscho

Especially non-German beers. The German ones are often Reinheitsgebot brewed.

@Cerberus not so. I can definitely tell Aldi beer from normal beer.

I can also tell Tuborg from others, it tastes like maize (although it has no maize).

Cerberus

@rumtscho Maybe it was Euroshopper.

In any case, extremely cheap beer.

rumtscho

I can tell a cheap beer from a normal beer.

It is a very different taste.

Cerberus

Sure people can taste that two beers are not the same if tasted next to each other, but otherwise not. And they can't tell the difference between cheap beer and Heineken.

@rumtscho Perhaps you should do a blind test like the beer connoisseur.

Mien

@Cerberus Cara is the cheapest here I think :p

rumtscho

3:27 PM

I can tell it between cheap beer and Heineken. I probably can't tell between Heineken and Radeberger or so.

hobodave

buzzfeed.com/mjs538/…

rumtscho

(For the same type of beer, that is; of course I can tell between a Radeberger Pils and a Heineken light)

Cerberus

@rumtscho Have you ever done a blind test, with just one beer a day, and noted your level of certainty?

rumtscho

@Cerberus No.

Cerberus

@Mien Hmm yes, sounds familiar.

@rumtscho Try it. I bet you will surprise yourself, hehe.

rumtscho

3:29 PM

But I have had a "blind" test where I didn't like the beer at all, before knowing what brand it is.

Mien

@hobodave Nice!

Cerberus

The beer connoisseur thought the Euroshopper was Bavaria. His companion didn't get it right either.

rumtscho

And sure, if you give me a decent beer today, I can't tell you the brand name.

Cerberus

@rumtscho It is possible that a certain specific kind of beer is much different from the others; but these guys tasted all the main beers available here, including Jupiler.

rumtscho

But if you give me another beer tomorrow, for some beers I can tell if the one yesterday was the same one.

Cerberus

3:31 PM

@rumtscho By the way, it also turned out that the cheap brand was made by Bavaria. Of course it took a lot of research to find out, because everyone was trying to hide that fact.

Mien

@Cerberus There was a blind test some months ago, and there were some 'minor' beers declared as better than Jupiler and other 'major' beers.

Cerberus

@Mien Yeah, like that.

rumtscho

@Cerberus possible.

Cerberus

I remember drinking Hertog Jan after Amstel once in a bar, and that was horrible, it tasted like sweet soda. But that doesn't count.

rumtscho

But the bad brands I have tried (in Germany and in Bulgaria) are easy to taste

Cerberus

3:33 PM

I challenge you to a test!

You know how strong the placebo effect can be.

I for one know that I can't taste it.

Then again I rarely drink cheap beer.

rumtscho

How chilled were the beers the expert tasted?

A moderately chilled beer has discernible taste

A beer chilled down to 2°C just numbs the tongue

I sometimes even drink my beer warm

(I mean room-temp, not warmed on purpose)

tastefive

@rumtscho quantity also plays a part. You might light the first ounce of it better, but might not enjoy a whole glass as much.

rumtscho

A dark beer has enough own taste to be good when warm. The light ones are often too sour.

@tastefive I suspect that in a taste test, they were paying attention at the beginning

Cerberus

@rumtscho Just regular beer temperature, I don't know. The connoisseur owns a bar, and it was in his bar.

Sobachatina

@rfusca Awesome.

rfusca

3:40 PM

@Sobachatina yup, i'm bringing pulled pork to my small group tonight

Cerberus

@rumtscho They noted slightly different tasted between the beer when tasted together, but they were unable to tell which was which (they tried and got them all wrong), and they couldn't discern the cheap beers from the regular beers.

rumtscho

@Cerberus if they only had one cheap supermarket beer, it could be that they accidentally got one which was good.

tastefive

@rumtscho but small tasting often make for poor taste tests unless the tasters have gone through training on how to evaluate the tasting.

rumtscho

Or maybe the bad ones I have had were exceptionally bad. I haven't had many bad ones.

Cerberus

@rumtscho I rather suspect that cheap beers are all made by the big brands. Just as with airlines and telephone companies.

And butter. And milk.

And water.

rumtscho

3:42 PM

@cerberus For Bulgarian cheap beers, I know it isn't the case

Cerberus

@rumtscho OK sure, they only tested Dutch supermarket beers.

I also wonder about wine.

On the one hand, my aunt can tell the grape and the region blind.

rumtscho

They are not an attempt to widen an already saturated market towards the lower strata, they are just companies which started out together with the better ones and couldn't command a better price.

Cerberus

On the other, there was this wine-connoisseur conference in France where they coloured a white wine red (like a beaujolais), and nobody noticed.

rumtscho

They sell their own brand everywhere, not under a store brand.

@Cerberus yes, I heard of this

Cerberus

@rumtscho It sort of amazes me.

Mien

3:45 PM

Now I want some beer :( Thanks, guys.

rumtscho

And I even noticed that I have some beer

Cerberus

I know I am not very sensitive to wine tastes.

@Mien Hey at least you're in the right country!

rumtscho

A few months ago I was in a big store, got soemthing I needed, and a beer

Cerberus

I have two crates of Amstel lying around.

rumtscho

Because they are one of the few places which have dark lager.

Mien

3:45 PM

@Cerberus Yes, but in the wrong house :(

rumtscho

So I brought everything here (in my office) and left on the evening for a date

Cerberus

@Mien Awww.

But you can go outside!

rumtscho

And I couldn't well go into a restaurant, on a date, with a bottle of beer

Cerberus

There is a whole world there, but pubs and pints!

rumtscho

I left it here in the office

ElendilTheTall

3:46 PM

@laura that's cool. My holiday is in early June so if you could pencil me in for then I'll definitely take advantage, and produce a travelogue of my trip.

rumtscho

And had forgotten about it till now.

Mien

@Cerberus But I'm lazy! :(

Cerberus

@rumtscho Lucky bastard!

rumtscho

Now I have beer in the office.

Cerberus

@Mien Oh I sympathize.

Laura

3:47 PM

@ElendilTheTall ok. you can enter either the may or june rounds then - up to you.

rumtscho

But seeing how late it is, maybe I should stop working, go out and have a beer somewhere else. And leave this one for special circumstances.

@cerberus as for wine, I suspect that a grape is a grape. Both white and red grapes have the same stuff, but in different ratios

Cerberus

@rumtscho Good idea.

@rumtscho But they taste quite differently.

At least the ones I know.

They have a different texture too.

rumtscho

So the color led the connoisseurs to pay attention to the elements usually prized in red wine.

@Cerberus the average white and the average red wine taste differently

Cerberus

Still, if connoisseurs can tell the difference between two kinds of red grape?

rumtscho

But I suppose that it is possible for a wine crafter to make a red wine which has characteristics more similar to a white wine

Cerberus

3:51 PM

Surely white grapes differ more from red grapes than red grapes between themselves?

rumtscho

Sure, he will have to pay lots of attention to grape selection and process

Mien

@Cerberus I'm not sure about that.

rumtscho

@Cerberus white wine can be made from red grapes

Cerberus

@Mien No?

Mien

Would you say that white people differ more from black people than black people between themselves?

Cerberus

3:52 PM

@rumtscho Really? But then you'd have to leave the skin out?

rumtscho

The color is in the outer skin, it depends on when in the process you remove the skin

Mien

Totally relevant analogy! :D

Cerberus

@Mien I know they don't genetically.

But isn't it the perceptible differences that count than the genetic differences?

There is convergent evolution.

rumtscho

And I don't think that red grapes differ from white grapes more than red grapes differ from each other

Cerberus

@rumtscho Isn't the skin essential in making wine?

rumtscho

3:53 PM

@Cerberus It is, it has different color and different taste characteristics than the flesh

Cerberus

Right.

rumtscho

But let's build a simplified model

Cerberus

I must say that a Beaujolais tastes much more like white wine than, say, a Bordeaux. But still.

rumtscho

Suppose that red grapes have both a red pigment which white grapes miss, and, on average, more tannines than white grapes.

Forget about all other taste elements, say that it is tannines only

The point is, you have such a big variety between grape types, that the tannines can be anything

Cerberus

fingers clinch metal bars, teeth grind on wooden stick, but remains silent

@rumtscho I don't understand this.

rumtscho

3:56 PM

Even if the "typical" red grape has lots of tannines and the "typical" white grape has few tannines, there are bound to be a few sorts of red grape which have few tannines and a few sorts of white grape which have a lot of tannines

And wine making process can also influence the amount of tannines which end up in the wine

Cerberus

Perhaps, but I think the taste is determined by thousands of substances.

So I don't think this simple model holds.

rumtscho

So, you can feed a wine lover a red-colored white wine. It will probably have fewer tannines than the average red wine.

But it would be plausible that, if a wine maker chooses a red sort with unusually few tannines, and a process which eliminates lots of tannines, there can be a red wine with this amount of tannines

So, the tannines ratio won't be an instant giveaway that it is a colored white wine instead of a red wine.

Then, the color of the liquid puts the connoisseurs in red wine tasting mode.

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