The Frying Pan

rfusca

12:32 AM

@Mien you watch a ton of movies!

rfusca

12:58 AM

@hobodave did you ever get your general tso's right?

Mien

8:30 AM

@rfusca Hehe, I try to watch one every day. But sometimes it's hard to do because I also watch a couple of series :)

Ambo100

3:53 PM

Can somebody with a high enough reputation make egg and eggs synonymous?

hobodave

@Ambo100 done

thanks for bringing it to my attention

@rfusca I ended up eating General Tso's every day for a week, and I got it really close. Aaronut's latest recipe updates are very very close, and definitely delicious

rfusca

@hobodave general tso's is probably my fav chinese idsh

Mien

6:32 PM

Hahaha @ the cannabis question :D

Katey Ψ

Why was the cannabis question closed? Is marijuana illegal in Argentina?

Food storage questions are on topic, right?

Mien

@hobodave or some one else: you can also merg [[substitutions]] and [substitutes]

@Katey possesion is quite legal in Argentina

possession is decriminalized

the rest is illegal

but I got this of a list, and I don't know how accurate it is

Because the list is mistaken in my country

about Argentina: Legal for personal use in small amounts and for consumption in private locations.

Katey Ψ

That's what I thought, @Mien

Mien

But the question itself isn't quite good

two questions in one and the title is the real question, but not fully understandable

however, I don't think that's the reason of the closing

Katey Ψ

No, but the issue of storing cannabis butter itself is not a bad thing to ask questions about

Yeah, agreed.

Looked in the mod chat room, but don't see them

Mien

6:46 PM

Well, I'm sure one of the mods will be here in a few hours or days and they'll explain.

I couldn't find anything in the FAQ about (illegal) drugs

Katey Ψ

7:58 PM

it's been edited to a better format.

Mien

8:08 PM

Yes I see

and I wouldn't know why it wouldn't be reopen

rfusca

8:19 PM

@Mien i think it should just avoid the issue and become more useful by asking about herb butters

Mien

But is every herb the same?

rfusca

@KateyΨ the original question was how to store to preserve 'the effect'...the 'effect' isn't really culinary in nature and I'm not sure we want to promote becoming the site for how to store any kind of drug, personally. i've got no issue with asking the question as it is now, but i'd not think we want to promote asking about how to preserve narcotic substances for narcotic usage

Mien

@rfusca it was both the effect and just preserving to not become moldy

But I already mentioned that it wasn't a good question

Now, it is acceptable

rfusca

@Mien culinary wise, i'm pretty sure that storing butter in the freezer whether its got herbs, spices, wild yak, or ground moon rock is the same actually. Its about protecting the butter from freezer odors largely

Mien

Yes, but do the herbs really make a difference then?

Was it because of the butter or because of the herbs that there was mold?

rfusca

8:28 PM

well mold can survive in the freezer, but it don't believe it will actively grow there

hi @tastefive

Taste Five

Hello

Didn't realize there was a chat here so just checking it out

Mien

hi :)

rfusca

yup , its active sometimes, just depends on the time of the day

Mien

@rfusca I already thought that he meant fridge instead of freezer

@rfusca And where you live ;)

rfusca

@Mien arg, ya, he did say fridge and then changed to freezer at the end, didn't catch that

Mien

8:31 PM

And he should've mentioned how long it was in the fridge/freezer and how he made the butter

But hey, not my question :)

rfusca

indeed

Mien

I made lasagna for the first time today

without a recipe :p

rfusca

i bet his herb was already moldy slightly. That happens quite a bit with herbs if you're not careful

@Mien howd it go?

Taste Five

Lasagna is my specialty

what style did you make

Mien

I think it went well, I'll eat it tomorrow

I tasted some leftovers, and together it was nice

I'm not sure about the porportions (how much cheese, tomato sauce, pasta etc)

@TasteFive just normal tomato sauce with meat and cheese sauce

rfusca

8:34 PM

lasagna is pretty forgiving

Mien

I hope so

Cause I have friends coming over

Taste Five

Hmm, I find if you are actually taking the time to make it yourself it is hard to mess up lasagna

rfusca

yup

Mien

But I'll make a nice dessert as well so it won't be a problem :)

rfusca

but equally so, REALLY good lasagna is hard.

Mien

8:35 PM

@TasteFive it took me almost two hours :p

So it will be delicious, right? :D

Taste Five

That is right

Mien

@rfusca I'll be glad if it's more than 'just edible'

@TasteFive what is your best style of lasagna?

rfusca

edible ;) it should be fine ;)

Mien

@rfusca Yes, thank you. I first wrote 'eatable' and I corrected the beginning

Taste Five

I like lasagna bolognese.

Mien

8:37 PM

I only now the 'normal' kind and verdi

rfusca

@TasteFive classic

i gotta make a dessert for about 20 people next week.. gotta decide what to do

i think there's pears at the farmer's market

Taste Five

Hmm, do you know what the rest of the meal will look like

Katey Ψ

@rfusca wouldn't the process of cooking the marijuana into the butter kill any mold? Mold isn't very hearty, I didn't think

rfusca

maybe a dark chocolate tart with almond crust and sliced honey poached pears....

@TasteFive nope, potluck

Taste Five

would you cook it into the butter?

rfusca

8:41 PM

@KateyΨ you don't normally cook compound butters

its just a blending thing

Taste Five

@rfusca that sounds good

rfusca

@TasteFive ya, i think i'll probably give that a shot, its a lot simpler than a fancy cake or something

Mien

@rfusca You have to cook cannabis butter

rfusca

@Mien oh, then I stand corrected

Taste Five

@Mien, I would have never guessed that either

Katey Ψ

8:43 PM

I've never done it myself, but from reading about it on the internet, the process of melting the butter down and adding the product read as 'cooking' to me. I didn't think that mold could survive particularly strong temperatures

Mien

@KateyΨ If you put it on a too hot plate, the 'effect' will be lost; maybe he was afraid of that and the heat was too low?

Taste Five

@Katey might not get hot enough then to kill the mold

Mien

It should boil, iirc

@rfusca Sounds good indeed

Katey Ψ

I've only ever killed mold with bleach, so I don't know

Also it was on my bathroom walls soo...

Mien

but if I were to make dessert for a lot of people, I should make a small buffet

Taste Five

8:45 PM

ha

Mien

Although for you, 20 people isn't much ;)

@KateyΨ "Put bleach in your butter, problem solved."

Seems like a nice answer to me :D

rfusca

well i read how to make cannabutter and...wow thats not at all like normal butters...so i retract my statements about generalizing to herb butters

Mien

hello @yossarian

rfusca

@Mien ya, 20 peeps is no issue

Mien

Cannabutter?

that's the real name in English?

or you made it just up?

rfusca

8:46 PM

its a common name for it on the internet it seems

Taste Five

@rfusca I would have thought it would have been just like any other herb butter as well.

Mien

okay

I only know it's a whole lot of work

but I didn't tried it myself

yet :D

rfusca

you add butter to boiling water and then mix it finely ground cannabis at a simmer

Mien

(yes it's legal here)

@rfusca I have to make for 4 or 5 and I'm already panicking :( What to make????

rfusca

if he followed these directions : cannabis.com/faqs/cannabis_recipes/cannabis_butter_recipe/… , I'm gonna guess he didn't simmer it down long enough and then left it out too long, so he had high moisture and warm heat for several hours

Taste Five

8:49 PM

@rfusca That will do it

rfusca

ya

Taste Five

I have it easy this weekend, just need to come up with an interesting recipe to blog about.

Mien

blog about space cake :-)

rfusca

ya, i see you started a blog recently?

Mien

@rfusca So perhaps you should delete your comment on the question as well?

(just saying, maybe you'll get some response on it)

@TasteFive what's the link?

Taste Five

8:52 PM

Yep, all that is up right now are things I did for a kidsfest event. Really basic stuff

@Mien tastefive.com

Mien

oh

rfusca

@Mien i was abount to...but I was 8 seconds late and Knives already left a comment lol

nice pictures :)

Thanks

@rfusca Ouch :p

8:54 PM

shrug if anything it points out to others that cannabis butter is insane and not just a normal herbed butter

hobodave

do we really want to open the door to pot butter, pot brownies, and magic mushroom corn flakes?

Mien

No, but it isn't bad either, imho

Taste Five

@hobodave I would say no, but I did just learn somthing

hobodave

sounds like a good meta topic, but yea that's why I closed it

Mien

I think - I'm no expert - that you only bake with pot, and you always have to make cannibutter

So there can't be a lot of question about it, I assume

rfusca

8:58 PM

@hobodave i vote no personally

hobodave

I'm surprised a similar question hasn't come up previously

Mien

Oh, fun fact

Taste Five

me to

rfusca

it would seriously undermine our credit with real chefs if they logged on and our top question was about pot brownies

Mien

it's the female plant that gets you high, right?

hobodave

9:00 PM

yea, and I can see something stupid like that exploding

Taste Five

@Mien no clue on that one

rfusca

ditto

Mien

there is a whole line of stuff of the male plant, freely available here (tea, bread etc) and it's healthy!

Taste Five

@rfusca I agree

hobodave

no clue

rfusca

9:01 PM

the drug aspect of it has little culinary application to it

Mien

@rfusca What do you mean with that?

hobodave

none I'd say

he already has 4 up votes

rfusca

@Mien nobody is adding this stuff 'for the taste'

Mien

Ah, that's correct

hobodave

does it taste terrible?

Mien

9:02 PM

But so are other questions, no?

@hobodave Depends on the recipe, I'd say?

hobodave

I meant weed

rfusca

if we got a question on how to mix cociane into sugar...i think there'd be less questions...but people treat pot with kids gloves

2

Mien

I once tasted a pineapple space cake (don't tell my parents) and it was really good

hobodave

dirt tastes like dirt whether it's baked or fried

Mien

@rfusca cocaine isn't legal

hobodave

9:04 PM

legality is irrelevant

rfusca

i'm sure it is somewhere

hobodave

it's a drug, not a food

Mien

I don't think it is irrelevant

so is alcohol

hobodave

it is, this is the internet, there is no law

Mien

you are the law

hobodave

9:04 PM

everyone has different laws depending on their location

Mien

;)

hobodave

there has been much discussion about alcohol and whether or not it was appropriate on the site

Mien

I'd say, if you would put in the FAQ that it isn't allowed, fine, I'll shut up

Taste Five

@hobodave how so?

hobodave

The argument there was primarily whether a "drink" counted as cooking

Mien

9:05 PM

It gives flavour, right?

So does weed

hobodave

so would semen I'd imagine

rfusca

so would gasoline

Mien

there is a cookbook about that

about the seemen

Taste Five

@hobodave ahh i see. I think of it as an ingredient

hobodave

@TasteFive some were against including cocktails or drink mixing questions, some were for (me)

we ended up for

Taste Five

9:07 PM

@hobodave I can understand that

rfusca

thats beneficial I think. The right beverage is essential to a good meal.

Taste Five

@rfusca True but you could argue it doesn't affect it preparation just its consumption and enjoyment

Mien

how big is the scope of homebrewing?

rfusca

@TasteFive i drink during prep ;)

hehe

Taste Five

@rfusca but lest face it, that is shy we cook in the first place

@rfusca me to.

Mien

9:09 PM

I'd rather let the pot butter question pass than questions about cocktails

rfusca

anyway, regardless of all that. if a drug related question (legalwise or not) ends up as a top question on the site. we'd get skipped over by the vast majority of 'real' chefs that they're trying to bring as experts to the site

Mien

ah, this was the link I was searching for: cookingwithcum.com

Taste Five

@rfusca yep

Mien

@rfusca Do you think this would be a top question?

rfusca

there is ZERO chance I'll be clicking on that link

Mien

9:11 PM

:D

rfusca

lol

Mien

It's sfw

Taste Five

@rfusca i would have passed, most likely

rfusca

@Mien yup, 4 votes in like a hour, which is blazing quick for this site

hobodave

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Q: Are questions on alcohol beverages allowed?

Is it allowed to ask questions on: wine (eg. does red wine suits to chicken?) vodka (eg. how to make herbal liqueur from vodka?) beer (eg. what kind of beer is best for Beer Can Chicken - I know its not a great example) etc.

7

Q: Are we about serving, or just cooking/food preparation?

I think that we've been ignoring the elephant in the room. Underlying all of the current arguments about the inclusion of alcohol- and beverage-related questions (which, IMO, don't seem to be converging on any community consensus) is a question that's really a lot more fundamental: Is the subje...

discussion scope

rfusca

9:12 PM

there's just also 4 downvotes :)

hobodave

Couple of early scope discussions re: alcohol.

Mien

@rfusca I voted up, because it was -2 and I don't think it deserved that

hobodave

@Mien my least favorite type of vote :P

Mien

ah, sorry

:p

If it was +10, I might delete my vote ;)

rfusca

i think it should be at 0 and deleted when possible, but, we're a community and its not up to me :)

hobodave

9:13 PM

you know he loses only -1 rep per down vote, and can't go below 1 right?

but each up vote is +5

hence having 17 rep for a closed question

rfusca

ya, that always seems insane to me...why upvotes give more than downvotes...i'm sure there's a SO meta about it, but i never looked

hobodave

@rfusca it's balanced, it's just an easy target for those people with soft hearts that can't bear to see someone with a negative value

Taste Five

@rfusca I think it kind of makes sense, it should be harder to take away reputation

rfusca

i guess shrug

i don't care enough to argue about it lol

Taste Five

nah

hobodave

9:16 PM

cooking.stackexchange.com/?tab=hot

^ that is the problem

Mien

I didn't do it so that artist guy could get some rep

Taste Five

there is probably no perfect way of doing it anyway

rfusca

@hobodave agreed

Mien

I missed something

hobodave

anyway, I wouldn't have come in and hammer-fist closed it if it hadn't been voted/flagged by others

rfusca

9:18 PM

ya, should we open a meta about it...that just sounds like a freaking can of worms lol

Taste Five

can a question be deleted?

rfusca

@TasteFive yes

hobodave

@TasteFive yes, authors can delete their own questions, and closed questions can be deleted by moderators and high reputation users (10k)

rfusca

if we've going to have a stance though, @Mien is right and it should end up in the faq

Taste Five

@rfusca yep

hobodave

9:20 PM

as a general rule closed questions are deleted by moderators some significant period of time after it was closed; I usually wait 4+ weeks

@rfusca I don't think the can of worms is necessarily a bad thing; it's clearly a somewhat contentious topic

rfusca

indeed

hobodave

besides, we haven't had any meta-drama in a while

rfusca

lol

hobodave

I do notice that there are no reopen votes on it

rfusca

ya'll dont have that many people that can even cast a reopen vote

hobodave

9:27 PM

just the way I like it mwahahahahaha

Taste Five

ha

rfusca

lol

photo.se has never had a closed q reopened I believe

Mien

@hobodave I'm gonna have nightmares tonight :(

you mean, evil moderator from hell

hobodave

lol

but seriously open a meta topic if you feel strongly about it Mien, if the site really wants to go that route I can't exactly stop it; just be disappointed

Mien

:D

I don't feel strongly about it, but perhaps I will open one :)

If I find the words :p

rfusca

9:31 PM

if we go that route...i will be opening a sugar+cociane question :)

@Katey does SE have a stance on things that are illegal in some countries and not in others?

hobodave

I can probably throw together a crystal meth + pop rocks question

rfusca

sweet

now we just need heroin and something..

hobodave

I'm craving chocolate

rfusca

i think i'm addicted to cast iron. I own a 8inch, 10inch, 12inch fry pan, a griddle, a grill pan, and a loaf pan. And I still want a pizza pan, muffin pan, dutch oven, and waffle pans

hobodave

nice collection

rfusca

9:40 PM

thanks :)

just got the loaf pan, its awesome

i figure if I get something in cast iron...i won't ever have to buy another one lol

@tastefive btw, in regards to citations - they're certainly not required and about the only place they seem to REALLY make a difference is either A. if your citation is from a particularly awesome source or B. its food safety, then a citation counts more it seems

Taste Five

np, i was just wondering cause I have seen it on certain questions. And it just was requested for an answer that I gave. I just wanted to know if it was going to be a general expectation.

rfusca

what answer?

yossarian

@hobodave, are you going to post a question on meta? I think the question is ok. I'd have voted to reopen if my vote carried less weight.

That is, it's ok with Knives' edits. And it probably needs a little more detail on how the butter was created.

In my view, it's a specific preparation of butter that's then used in cooking, and that's on topic.

Taste Five

@rfusca the one on egg washes. The answer might need more work other than that but he asked for citations possibly as well. cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/17811/…

yossarian

9:56 PM

I just made a peach ketchup, it's really, really good.

playingwithfireandwater.com/foodplay/2010/10/peach-ketchup.html

Taste Five

@yossarian interesting, never did a fruit ketchup before. Did you start from a pre-made ketsup

yossarian

Nope. It's from scratch. Check the link for the recipe.

Taste Five

@yossarian just looked. I see no tomato base at all

yossarian

The shiro miso + peaches in ketchup form is awesome. I might use a bit less cider vinegar next time.

Taste Five

nice

rfusca

9:58 PM

@yossarian whats it good on?

yossarian

So far? A spoon.

;o)

hobodave

@yossarian I wasn't planning on posting on meta, only responding if someone else did.

rfusca

lol

hobodave

I think in any form it should stay closed

yossarian

I'm serving it with oven fries and a smoked burgers.

rfusca

9:59 PM

@yossarian what time should i be over?

;)

hobodave

heck, we have a new user in here that said he would have left if he came here and saw that question on our front page

yossarian

Ok. I'll ask a question on meta in the next day or so. I think it's a reasonable question.

But you make a decent point.

hobodave

I think @rfusca's starred post is a great point

yossarian

I have a friend who makes some really good pot based food and the preparation / approach is interesting. But we wouldn't want there to be a flood of questions. I can see that turning people off.

rfusca

yup

yossarian

10:01 PM

But people don't mix cocaine with sugar in order to cook it.

rfusca

and people don't mix pot in for the taste

hobodave

lol

yossarian

People do put pot in to food, and it's a non trivial process.

hobodave

based on the smell of it, it must taste hideous

yossarian

People don't put wheat grass in smoothies for taste. Is that off topic? ;o)

hobodave

10:02 PM

I don't think it should be treated any different than magic mushrooms, cocaine, or opium in the context of our site

rfusca

technically yes, its health related

Taste Five

@hobodave my guess is it would be about covering its taste with other stronger flavors

yossarian

Not if you're asking how to fix a recipe that tastes bad because of it. ;)

Taste Five

@yossarian touche

rfusca

true enough

yossarian

10:03 PM

Is it off topic if it's about drugs or off topic if it isn't about cooking?

Because there are two distinct classes of question there.

hobodave

both

yossarian

what if it's about drugs AND cooking. Is it still off topic? If it isn't about cooking then of course it's off topic.

rfusca

if somebody asked what the process would be in order to cook crystal meth into a nice risotto and still keep the effect...is that ok?

hobodave

primarily the drugs though, I just don't think we need to go down that route. You don't learn how to cook with weed, opium, or coca in any professional culinary course; and likely never will.

Taste Five

@yossarian My guess is that it could be on topic, but what it this site going to be a resource for.

yossarian

10:07 PM

Y'alls examples are straw men. Outside of pot and mushrooms, people don't use drugs in cooking. The examples of opium, cocaine, and crystal meth aren't relevant to the discussion.

hobodave

poppies.org/snapshot/DCForumID6/16.html

yossarian

The question "I did the following to my butter, why did it go rancid so fast" seems like a perfectly reasonable question.

hobodave

of course it does

yossarian

@hobodave, I stand partially corrected. I feel pretty confident about the other two though. ;o)

hobodave

until you define "the following" as "put drugs in it"

there's also @Mien's link: cookingwithcum.com

yossarian

10:09 PM

I disagree. But I don't really care. I'll probably ask a question about it on meta, but I may not bother.

@hobodave, well, that's clearly a perfect [culinary-uses] question.

hobodave

lol

rfusca

just because something is on topic, doesn't mean the site should want to be known for it

yossarian

No. But if it's on topic, it shouldn't be closed.

Taste Five

@rfusca +1

yossarian

If we thought it was going to be an issue and it's not what we want to be known for, then it should be off topic.

rfusca

10:11 PM

well clearly I don't think it ever came up in discussion before

hobodave

I think @yossarian's point is that by default it is on topic

yossarian

Alright y'all, that's enough pontificating. Time to get the smoker smoking. Talk to y'all later.

i'm posting it meta

later!

@yossarian see ya

10:15 PM

Thanks @rfusca. Keep the question neutral if you can and post an answer if you feel strongly one way or the other.

rfusca

i did

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Q: Should cooking with drugs (legal or illegal) questions be allow?

Should cooking with drugs (legal or illegal) questions be allow? I'm just going to leave it simple and at that.

discussion

hobodave

I have to head home, I'll read/respond later

@rfusca and I'd say "on topic", it makes it sound less like we're trying to be someones nanny

rfusca

indeed

hobodave

gotta run, later

thanks @rfusca

Taste Five

@hobodave see ya

rfusca

10:17 PM

@hobodave yup, ciao

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A: Should cooking with drugs (legal or illegal) questions be on topic?

In my opinion, regardless if they have some vague culinary use (which I'm not inclined to believe - you don't add pot or any drug for the taste or texture) - I don't think its a reputation the site wants. If we're trying to attract reliable, expert chefs and users to the site - this is a far too...

rfusca

10:33 PM

lol, the cheesedip question just decided where I'm going out to eat for dinner

0

Q: What is the origin of cheese dip?

I want to know where cheese dip was invented. Based on this article it was invented in Arkansas. This documentary goes into more detail about it being from Mexico Chiquito, a restaurant in Arkansas.