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12:06 AM
I don't know if I'm allowed to access this here, but can someone take a look at my 3-page short story? I'd love to hear opinions/critiques.
 
 
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2:38 AM
Do YOU want to spend your life making books for very small audiences? Consider RPG publishing! #askmehow #onsecondthought #dontaskmehow
 
3:23 AM
@KeshavSrinivasan , that reads like music! Depending on publisher, I have a punctuation and capitalization suggestion here and there, but what fun!
 
@humn No, I'm not really looking to publish, I just wrote it for fun.
 
Works for me.
I just woke up with a headache and suddenly it's gone.
I love the mixture of straight English and casual deitic references in a language I don't know.
(Still only a surface reading. Takes more than one.)
... "casual" deitic references? Sorry to have put it that way. "Crafted" is more appropriate.
 
@humn Well, I'd be happy to clarify anything you don't understand.
 
In context, the whole thing almost makes sense even to the uninitiated. Any particular spots you're particularly unsure of?
(Re-reading and getting more each time)
 
@humn No, nothing in particular.
@humn By the way, this story is basically a gentle parody of a Hindu philosophy called Advaita:
Advaita Vedanta (IAST, Advaita Vedānta; Sanskrit: अद्वैत वेदान्त, literally, not-two) is a school of Hindu philosophy and religious practice, and one of the classic Indian paths to spiritual realization. The term Advaita refers to its idea that the soul (true Self, Atman) is the same as the highest metaphysical Reality (Brahman). The followers of this school are known as Advaita Vedantins, or just Advaitins, and they seek spiritual liberation through acquiring vidyā (knowledge) of one's true identity as Atman, and the identity of Atman and Brahman. Advaita Vedanta traces its roots in the oldest...
 
3:38 AM
Live and learn, thank you.
 
@humn Advaita is a philosophy that the only thing that exists is God, and that everything else is an illusion. And it says that you are God.
 
Almost like solipsism? (There, look that up while I enjoy another pass.)
 
@humn Yeah, it's basically solipsism, except you are not just some ordinary person, you are the supreme being, you are infinitely good, all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. All the qualities you'd usually think of God as having.
@humn It's just that you've somehow fooled yourself into thinking that you are just some ordinary finite being.
 
"A fool's paradise!"
 
That's... not my understanding of the concept, but I'm admittedly not trained in the philosophies of Hinduism.
 
3:47 AM
To each fool their own. Signed, one.
 
Cartesian solipsism is a rejection of things outside the self as demonstrably real; Advaita is an embrace of things outside the self as inclusive within the self's reality. Solipsism is "I can't be sure you exist," Advaita is "I think we share the same existence."
 
Nice split! (And join.) (conceptually and verbally)
 
The "fooled yourself" element is that we are all equally fooled into thinking we are separate from each other rather than a single entity. It's not a rejection of what is outside one's particular selfness, but a folding together of selves without priority or preference.
...hm. I wonder if Advaita is a useful lens through which to read the Imperial Raadch trilogy.
 
I actually learned something like that once from a honeybee. Everyone else ran away while I realized that we're in the same predicament. Sting and be done. Run and be stung.
 
@BESW Well, let me quote Adi Shankara, the chief proponent of Advaita: Brahma Satyam, Jagan Mithya, Jivo Brahmaiva Naparah "God is real, the world is false, the self is God and none other."
@BESW But yes, it certainly is true that Advaita eliminates the distinction between I and you.
 
3:52 AM
Whereas solipsism is defined by an impenetrable barrier between I and you.
 
Don't make me go holistic now. Ooops, too late.
 
@BESW By the way, if you're interested in Advaita, check out my 3-page short story:
4 hours ago, by Keshav Srinivasan
I don't know if I'm allowed to access this here, but can someone take a look at my 3-page short story? I'd love to hear opinions/critiques.
@BESW Oh, you mean in the sense that the other person is a figment of your imagination? Yeah, in that sense there is a difference between Advaita and solipsism.
 
The difference between "I am God" and "We are God" seems very significant to me.
 
Do tell! I always want to include everyone, and I always think godliness is as we define it.
 
I'll take a look at your story when I have the time and brain to dedicate.
 
3:55 AM
@BESW Well, Advaita certainly does assert "I am God." In fact that is one of the Mahavakyas or four great sentences revered by Advaita:
In Hindu philosophy, the Sanskrit sentence - Aham Brahmāsmiti (Devanagari: अहं ब्रह्मास्मिति)- means I am of Brahman"(Aham Brahmasmi) or "I am the Infinite Reality". It is one of the four Mahavakyas used to explain the unity of macrocosm and microcosm. == Meaning == Literally, Aham (अहं) means "I"--that which cannot be deserted or abandoned on account of being constant, unavoidable, ever present; Brahman (ब्रह्म) means ever-full or whole (ब्रह्म is the first case ending singular of Brahman); and Asmi (अस्मि) means "am," the first-person singular present tense of the verb "अस्," "to be." T...
 
By my understanding, though, it is not an exclusive self.
 
@BESW Well, ultimately what Advaita says is that there is only one thing that exists, and that one thing has no parts within it. It is an absolutely simple thing, with no attributes at all.
 
"My self and only my self is God" vs "My self and all other selves are God."
Both can be reduced to "I am God," but the intent is very different.
(We're all Stack users; I don't deny your Stack userness by declaring that I'm a Stack user.)
 
(Some users would.)
 
@BESW Well, to use that analogy, what Advaita says is not simply that you and I are both Stack users. Instead what it says is that there's only one Stack user out there, and it's only out of confusion that people assume there are multiple.
 
4:01 AM
A hall of mirrors?
 
@BESW Advaita doesn't assert that there is ultimately some inclusive self that includes both of us. Instead there is one self, which doesn't include multiple selves within it. You and I are literally one and the same self. "You are God" and "I am God" are both true, but only because "I am you" is true.
 
Right.
 
@humn Yeah, a hall of mirrors is an excellent analogy. There's only one thing, but it's through an illusion that it seems like there's multiple.
 
(Metaphor is always both necessary and insufficient for spiritual concepts.)
 
@BESW Haha yeah
 
4:04 AM
My own faith has an Advaita-like concept for divine messengers.
 
Mandalas!
 
By the way, I am a Hindu but I don't believe in Advaita. I believe in another Hindu philosophy called Visistadvaita:
Vishishtadvaita (IAST Viśiṣṭādvaita ; Sanskrit: विशिष्टाद्वैत), the philosophy of the Sri Sampradaya, is one of the most popular schools of the Vedanta school of Hindu philosophy. Vedanta literally means the end of the Vedas. Primarily the word Vedanta stood for Upanishads; afterwords, its denotation widened to include all thoughts developed out of the Upanishads. VishishtAdvaita (literally "Advaita with uniqueness; qualifications") is a non-dualistic school of Vedanta philosophy. It is non-dualism of the qualified whole, in which Brahman alone exists, but is characterized by multiplicity. It can...
Visistadvaita says God is real, the world is real, and souls are real, and all three are distinct from one another. But they're not totally separate. Instead souls and the world are part of a larger whole, and that larger whole is God.
 
That also sounds very familiar.
 
@BESW Oh, what is that faith, and what is that Advaita-like concept?
 
This is nutritious. From ethereal thoughts right on down to earth.
 
4:08 AM
I'm a Bahá'í.
 
By birth, choice or destiny?
 
@BESW Oh cool
 
The Bahá'í Faith teaches that God sends divine Messengers, Manifestations of Himself, to humanity to teach and guide us. These Messengers occupy a reality reminiscent of some Advaita concepts.
 
Namaste? (A term I'd like to understand)
 
> If God were to be likened to the unapproachable sun, the source of all light and life in our own solar system, then the Manifestations of God might be compared to mirrors that perfectly reflect the sun’s light in a form that human beings are capable of comprehending.
Since the purpose of all these divine “mirrors” is one and the same, no distinction should be made between Them. Bahá’u’lláh writes, “If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and p
 
4:11 AM
Wow.
 
@BESW It reminds me of the Hindu concept of Avatara:
An avatar (Sanskrit: अवतार, IAST: avatāra) is a concept in Hinduism and it means "descent", and refers to the appearance or incarnation of a deity on earth. The term also generally refers to "alight, to make one's appearance" and is sometimes used to refer to any revered guru or human being. The word avatar does not appear in the Vedic literature, but appears in verb forms in post-Vedic literature, and as a noun particularly in the Puranic literature after the 6th century CE. The Rigveda describes Indra as endowed with a mysterious power of assuming any form at will. The Bhagavad Gita expounds...
 
Not unlike, yeah.
 
All the good words come from another language!
 
The Vishishtadvaita is reminiscent of the Bahá'í concept of physical reality, as well.
 
@BESW Do you guys see God as both the material cause of the Universe, i.e. the substance the Universe is made of, and the efficient cause of the Universe, i.e. the one who runs the Universe? That's how we see it.
 
4:14 AM
(out of sync, typed minutes ago) More detail? I just put on my learning cap.
There's also a distinction between "the one" and "we are one."
 
@KeshavSrinivasan Kind of? I'm not really detailed in the exact metaphysics of it. God is all-encompassing and all physical reality exists because of and emanates from His active, loving will.
> I loved thy creation, hence I created thee.
It's impossible, however, to accurately describe a physical relationship between God and His creation because God is above and beyond physical existence.
So to say that God is, physically, the substance of the Universe, is to reduce God to something much less than His true reality.
 
@BESW , is that from Frankenstein?
(that was a weird joke, as am I)
 
It's from The Hidden Words of Bahá'u'lláh.
 
Thank you for a link in all that!
It's a poem!
 
bahai.org is a good reference for information about the Bahá'í Faith, including most (all?) of the Sacred texts that have been translated thus far.
(Other sources may say some rather weird things which aren't actually representative, and are likely to include some images which are considered disrespectful to share casually.)
 
4:22 AM
Mandalas. I had to show my ID before acquiring one or two. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo bureaucracy.
 
The Hidden Words is a mystic text rooted in a tradition of Shí'ah Islam.
 
It is beautifully written.
And has pulp! (That's a tribute, regardless of how it wound up looking.)
 
According to Shí'ah tradition, the Hidden Book of Fatimah was "words of consolation addressed by the angel Gabriel, at God's command, to Fatimih, and dictated to the Imam 'Alí, for the sole purpose of comforting her in her hour of bitter anguish after the death of her illustrious Father."
A messianic figure known as the Qá'im would, as a proof of His station, reveal these hidden words to the world as "spiritual leaven cast into the life of the world for the reorientation of the minds of men, the edification of their souls and the rectification of their conduct."
 
(Nag on: I wish English were gender neutral.)
(Few languages are.)
(Nag off: that's beautiful.)
 
The above in-line quotes are from Shoghi Effendi's book God Passes By.
 
4:32 AM
Revelation.
By the time someone took the trouble to put what they've learned into words, those words are worth some trouble to read.
Unless I'm mistaken, BESW, it's your turn to expose a raw sentence or paragraph.
Keshav and I did and, if you don't avert the inevitable, a true "vignette" might spill out.
(Okay, okay, much of what you just shared counts! Thought I'd try to use your momentum to go even further.)
(Signed, prose junkie)
Around 2000 AD, I met Freight Train Paul.
Outisde a drive-in, bumming for cigarette money.
(he, not I, doesn't matter)
I asked how to jump the next train out of town. I asked where would be best?
He said Kansas City.
(You'd have to look that up on the map to realize why I fell out of the car laughing. This vignette occurred partway around the world from there.)
 
 
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2:04 PM
'Zat you, @Rand? You must have some (more) great vignettes.
If not, hit the pavement. (Not literally, splat.)
Just realized that most of my vignettes begin with an alter ego. Everyone on the street has multiple names, in case that secret needs to be told.
The first name is for cops. The second name is for conversation. The third name is when you feel trusted.
 
@humn waves !
I got a notification for the weekly writing event (which hasn't happened for aaaages), saw a humn, and came dropping in.
Then I saw the "last message was posted 9 hours ago" and tabbed away again, assuming you'd gone.
 
Was I ever here at all? Thank you for pushing me here, in case that's where I am at all.
(Okay, Rand et al', you're busy. Catch you again when memory serves.)
 
@humn Sorry, multitasking. I'm here but also in ... * counts * ... five other rooms.
 
Trip the light! Understood.
 
Now that you're around, maybe we should restart the writing challenges here.
It used to be a thing, but petered out (afaict) because of lack of participation.
 
2:17 PM
What the AFAICT? Browser didn't come through on that one.
But it sure was fun to look up anything for the first time in what seems like days.
 
As far as I can tell.
 
NEK.
(Now everyone knows)
When you get the chance, though, Randfly, you certainly have some heartfelt vignettes to share here.
 
What sort of vignettes?
 
When you go out and happen upon someone who happens upon you.
It's almost the only reason I happen to go out.
Someone sang to me, "people are the very best thing."
An editor's nightmare but a human being's delight.
 
I'm careful about sharing stories from real life on SE.
 
2:30 PM
Use alternyms.
 
Partly because I don't want to be doxable for everyone here, partly because of my evil stalker (not one like Shrike, a real one).
Also, I'm too embarrassed to tell stories in front of you - I could never match your style and panache :-)
 
You've been through hells many have only heard of. If I'm one of them, welcome.
But that's why I venture!
 
Hells in shells ring knells on bells.
 
So many are grateful to tell of their tortures, but it comes with a rebound. I get to tell of mine.
I already started. Did you see the story about crying my way home after helping one hapless help another?
Vignettes!
 
There are a lot of awesome stories in this room's star-board.
From the weekly writing challenges we used to have.
I've penned a few too.
 
2:38 PM
You come to bat!
 
Lacking the technical knowledge of others, I simply pasted the entire stories as chat messages, rather than hosting them elsewhere and linking to them.
So you need to click the star-board link and then click on "see full text" in the transcript in order to read the whole thing.
 
... I'm always a day late ... thank you for the lead ...
 
We could start another writing challenge right now, if you're up for it.
 
What topic?
 
Since I'm likely to tell you a story here anyway.
 
2:41 PM
I tried phases of the moon.
 
"Out of Bounds" would fit the tale I have in mind :-)
 
(Now I'm giggling over the phrase "pushing the envelope")
 
If clerks are pushing pens, are postmen pushing envelopes?
 
(Now I'm giggling tohard to type)
I was going to get pierced but didn't have the strength to push pins.
 
I was going to write a riddle but didn't have the time to push puns.
(that needs work)
I was going to promote the wonders of wordplay, but didn't have the time to push puns.
 
2:46 PM
You could use an editor!
 
(better)
 
You have edit powers!
 
@humn An adroit editor.
 
How I envy.
 
(near-anagrams)
 
2:47 PM
Ever dare phonology? You just did.
 
Hey @Mith - come to join the fun?
 
Oh, I should set up the next writing challenge.
 
The moon phases challenge is still open.
 
I was trying to draw humn into a chat challenge, since it's Tuesday.
 
Draw me into a box and then into a corner. Any day. (That was supposed to sound clever but came out randy and almost rude.)
 
2:49 PM
I mean like this one
 
@humn Randy?
 
(lowercase r)
 
@Mithrandir I don't have an account to post on yeta met.
 
Someone was bugging me on T39C about NaNoWriMo as well.
 
I'm spinning. All my wishes are coming true.
(As if that needed announcement.)
 
... while spinning, and listening, and typing ...
If the moon phases challenge is over (I have many more descriptions) what's next?
 
Writers Meta challenge: write something about libraries
 
Volumes!
Sections!
 
@humn What is/was this moon phases challenge? (I haven't read all the backlog.)
(Nor have I seen a log at the back.)
 
Ways to describe them. I tried to get it started with a blink, a wink, an eyelash and a corn ball.
 
I hear that Hindi has a different word for each day of the month.
 
@humn I think Chinese may do too. Not sure.
The French Revolutionary Calendar definitely does.
 
I shun the sun, but ... moon ... don't get me rhyming.
(Looking up what you just mentioned, Rand, and trying to shrug that log, Mithrandir)
 
@humn Well, I brought out the silver sliver.
 
You are a Comparative Literature Academic in sheepskin, Rand etc.
Now I want to call my French/English/CompLit teacher and share that calendar!
(Wrong time of day, though, lucky for her)
 
3:14 PM
It is rather awesome, isn't it?
They should have kept it.
 
Time is kinda like music on this planet. It'll never make sense to humankind.
 
Rather than having the current, somewhat outdated (punintentional) calendar, with some of its months named boringly after numbers and others after rulers of an ancient regime of slave-owners.
 
I'm still cynical about how Julius and Augustus snuck their ways in there.
And I delight in how Nordic theology snuck its way into the English days of the week!
Language is so sneaky . . . . . . .
Who's to tell? (...mm, could be a title to a poem ..)
!!!!!
 
Floored! Let's team up. Actually, Mithrandir pulled off my favorite example of teamwork.
To harness so many contributors through an epic series of puzzles.
... other room, I guess ... just saying ...
@Rand all'that, I hope you know know what a pleasure it is for an editor to have an editor!
 
3:34 PM
I know you're always wishing to be able to edit more effectively here.
I like to give a helping hand where I can.
 
You do good.
Cheap entry into the library challenge:
"Where is human nature so weak as in a book store?" -- Henry Ward Beecher
(book store, not even library . . . my favorite quote, though, and a sampler on every wall I've had the chance.)
 
In my experience, it's "where is the bladder so weak as in a library or book store?"
 
At closing time.
 
Every time I want to just loiter around looking at books for ages, I end up having to hunt for a toilet instead.
It's infuristrating.
 
A poet the bitter end!
It's like getting to the last page and using it as toilet paper.
That's what words are for.
"By the time I get to the bottom of the page, I don't even realize what was just read."
-- Missing Persons
 
3:46 PM
Missing Persons?
Isn't that a WWI poem?
 
WW1980s
Think i'll dye my hair blue.
Translated to 2017: My fingers are typing but I have doubts.
(Not to take your cross-reference to Missing Persons lightly, @Rand! Signed, Garibaldi)
owowowowowoow that was an ambiguous reference to Garibaldi. It was aimed a clown, not composer or dictator.
A clown whose physician recommended a cure for depression by seeing a show by the famous performer, Garibaldi.
... maybe the name is Grimaldi ... internet seems to have forgotten this story ...
In any case, clowning and self-reference are my pieces of cake, rhetorically as well as mathematically. Works out neatly once in a while.
 
4:07 PM
@humn Aha, I was probably thinking of "Reported Missing":
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Q: Who is "Reported Missing" addressed to?

Rand al'ThorAnna Keown's poem "Reported Missing" is addressed to a World War One soldier by a first-person narrator who is desperately hopeful that he isn't dead. Here's the poem in full: My thought shall never be that you are dead: Who laughed so lately in this quiet place. The dear and deep-eyed hu...

 
Deep.
And just last week I was shown how watercress looks in the wild. Coincidence.
And now I have a new word: "adrowse."
What a great contraposition between "a" as in "up" and "drowse" as in "down."
Never know what English will next work its way through the windpipe.
The most bastardized language ever, in one speaker's opinion. I have a shelf of books on how that happened.
Re-reading that, I scare myself. Re-thinking that, I wish I could re-edit that.
Language scares me. So I try and return the favor.
 
4:29 PM
How do you scare language?
 
Sneak up and pounce!
I've been tongue tied for ages.
Time to turn the tables.
(Also been tongue lashed. Again, time to turn.)
(That was theatr. I've literally pummeled as many times as I've been. Spare my fingers more bruises.)
Ow!
Life in the streets.
Make it halfway across and you're halfway there.
Am I the only urchin with tips left to tell?
Mini-vignette: I tried to pass along a survival lesson to a friend's spawn.
They didn't want to hear it from me. They'd rather be arrested.
Really, I'd like to hear from another who has lived through hell to tell and can.
(And I am grateful to those who have lived through other hells and lived to tell. Heavens too.)
That jive was about city hell. I was born on an icy pavement and thank each sunrise that doesn't find me there.
 
4:49 PM
@humn Lived through hell to tell a can? Who'd want to tell anything to a mere can?
 
Can can!
Would could.
Who can tell? Who would know? One can't, can one?
(I'm not making this stuff up, but could if asked.)
(Don't have to, it's as simple as stepping outside and letting a passing eye see into my soul. Etc.)
And I know how to avert a passing eye. Like I've hinted, there's no need to bruise a knuckle to survive in a city.
Fun to find out just how, though. To each their own.
Almost makes me want to go out and start a ruckus anew. See how I've tried to sublimate it to words here? Cross words? Cross swords? What a nerd. Beat me up.
 
5:08 PM
An editor indeed.
 
Line after line!
Why is writing easier than music or puzzling? Must be something about neuropathy.
 
@humn Depends on one's abilities, I suspect.
 
Then again, why is writing to difficult?
 
Some people might put those three things in a different order.
 
Correct me if you're Rand! That was said warmly.
 
5:17 PM
Correct Rand if you're me.
 
Correct me if I'm Cassandra
 
Well, that escalated quickly.
 
I love to be corrected. And will snap back just for fun.
One of these days I'll be perfect.
Until then, feel free to correct and don't mind the splashes.
 
A virgin site!
Just launched. No questions yet.
 
You just made that up!
You ... are ... badass!
(Thought I was)
 
5:25 PM
Well, the first question appeared just now.
And now the second too.
 
You didn't just make that up?
 
If I'd made it up, the site URL wouldn't have expanded into a real logo like that.
 
Talk about an opnion-based attractive nuisance.
Did you make up a chat room for that site yet?
(That's a joke)
Time for Tongue-tied SE
(other initials not included)
Just chuckling about the idea of a chat room for Interpersonal Skills where nobody goes.
While you're at it, @Rand al'comers, why not start a LonerSE? I'd be the first to go.
Just to be left alone. .... bad joke!
 
@humn As soon as it got more than one user, it'd have to close down.
 
You got that bad joke!
You are my translator, Rand al'else.
"translator" = "translater" but who cares
Ever talk with someone from New Jersey, USA?
It's a language lesson even on the worst of days.
I'm not making fun. It has to be the most articulate state in USA.
Thought I knew every detail of language until I moved there for half a year.
Still think I know those same details, but I left with a word in my pocket.
Were I truly from New Jersey I' d know how to finish that paragraph. Just occurred to me to praise a stream of language worthy of admiration.
One evening there, a local came up and challenged "Aren't persons from California stupid?"
I didn't know what to say so I silently agreed, being from California.
Had I been from New Jersey I would've known what to say.
(m, there's more to the story, but this is public.)
 
5:58 PM
?
 
Words! (and editing)
@Mithrandir, have you been to USA? More than once? Visit New Jersey.
 
I used to live there.
 
NJ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??
Lucky if so.
 
Yep.
 
That explains a lot.
You've received the gift of English.
I lived there a little more than half a year and still haven't seen a doctor for that.
(I thought you were halfway across the world. I really have to update my spyware.)
 
6:05 PM
A friend from SFF lives in NJ.
He used to be extremely chatty, but in recent months his life has got busier and he's had less time for SE, even chat.
 
I'm hopping the next train there.
(So funny, at Music SE I have French horn envy, at Puzzling SE I have math envy, at Math SE I have physics envy, at Physics SE I have writer's envy, here I have NJ SE envy.)
Should change my name to NV
After i turn my hair blue, that is.
 
@humn I am ;)
 
That makes two of us!
 
in The Reading Room, Jun 11 at 10:24, by Rand al'Thor
@humn I used to know someone with blue hair.
Seems we're both repetititititve in here.
No, wait, that was the Reading Room. Never mind.
Well, repepetitititive in any case.
 
*in here
 
6:14 PM
Don't you step on my blue suede shoes or I'll begin preaching Elvis Presleytarianism.
 
@humn Rofl, awesome portmanteau!
 
(Always worth a try!)
 
What do you call two insects stuck together?
A portmantis.
 
Isn't that a bug at the harbor?
 
(peeka)boo!
 
6:16 PM
What do you call two lists of harbourmasters' rules combined?
A portmantra.
 
What do you call Rand'om thoughts?
Every day!
 
I call it TSL fusion.
Rand al'Thor + M Oehm
 
Don't go pantheon, not enough room.
 
Would a panther or a pantheon be preferable?
 
6:20 PM
@Mithrandir Would her pants or he pants on be preferable?
 
... my dog of a cat is panting ... it's kinda cute but I wonder ...
 
@Randal'Thor I would definitely prefer her wearing pants over him panting on me.
 
Words! One of these days we'll find a cure.
 
Perfect timing!
Wow. Excellent visuals too.
(Yet another copyright infringed thanks to internet magic.)
(looking for a better l ink)
(yucko, sorry)
Some kind of save. I really enjoy the full recent commercial but couldn't find it:
Next best thing:
Even that's abbreviated. Get thee behind me, copyrighters!
I give up. Think I'll just go cry a sad song.
 
7:04 PM
Sorry, I was writing an answer on Interpersonal Skills. Feedback appreciated.
 
7:17 PM
^ self-promotion alert!
 
...I wasn't subtle enough?
 

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