The Frying Pan - 2013-10-18

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9:59 AM

Aloha.

Yo!

How is your ankle?

10:37 AM

No real changes :)

maybe the blue is fading :)

how is your flu-ish?

Hmm is that good?

I think I'm improving, although now I have a cold sore and my mouth is aching everywhere, unreleated to cold sore. And I couldn't sleep for more than 5 hours.

shrugs

11:25 AM

I think that's good

I woke up after 8 hours, wanted to get up but fell back asleep for a few hours

:s

All sweaty and kept being sweaty for over an hour

not sure what that was :/

11:47 AM

@SAJ14SAJ I actually was on Mien's side. The question in the title is valid independently of whether the meat was stored unsafely or not.

So I converted your answer to a comment. The information is certainly relevant for the OP, but it does not address the answer directly.

:-)

gives money and cookies and other bribes to rumtscho

12:12 PM

@Mien Hmm strange. Could have something to do with the healing process?

I don't think so?

Not sure though, I'm not a doctor.

Hmm now I'm also sweaty.

Maybe a small fever.

It happens.

2 hours later…

1:54 PM

An injury and a fever can mean infection, keep an eye on that

sometimes a low-grade fever can mean the body is handling the infection itself, but if it gets worse, see a doctor about antibiotics

Good advice.

One of the perks of marrying into my husband's family is that his mom is a nurse whereas I'm a bit of a hypochondriac. If something freaks me out, we can just text her and ask :)

Haha.

Yeah, that's convenient.

Arf arf arf

"Nurse Mom-in-Law, I think I may be suffering from... gasp hypochondria, OMG!"

Mew!

2:05 PM

Lol! Yeah, pretty much. On the bright side, my mom drilled into me that you don't stay home unless you're puking or feverish, so I just go to work no matter how crappy I feel in the morning

I do need to see a doctor about some of the pain I've been having though. It's starting to interfere with sleep :(

A good attitude.

@Yamikuronue Oh, dear. What kind of pain? puts on nurse hats

Knee pain and lady pain.

Which unfortunately means TWO doctor visits >.>

The one to beg for painkillers stronger than ibuprofen for my diagnosed knee issues, the other to get a diagnosis

I suspect I'll get new physical therapy instructions instead of painkillers, but it doesn't hurt to try

Maybe the other will turn out to be cancer. You get painkillers with cancer, right? >.>

@Yamikuronue Hmm can't do that in one session?

@Yamikuronue Yay! But, no, it will not turn out to be cancer.

GPs don't tend to handle woman problems, you have to go to a Gyno or an OB-GYN.

Technically I should see a Sports Medicine specialist for my knees, but I already have seen two, and a physical therapist, so I'm hoping to avoid spending the extra to see a specialist again

@Yamikuronue Oh, hmm. I wouldn't know that. Do they handle boy problems?

2:16 PM

Depends on the problem. They can probably write blue pill prescriptions just fine :)

Ah.

I would probably just go to an anonymous city clinic, too embarrassing to see my GP for err things more involved than a pill.

I've been to Planned Parenthood a few times. They blew me off. I blame the fact that they only have nurses >.>

Huh.

What is PP for?

To get contraceptives?

(We don't have it.)

They do exams and everything. They're basically a clinic specializing in reproductive medicine, and they're dirt cheap

Ah OK.

2:28 PM

But I keep getting the kind of nurse who is all "pain? psh. Get over it."

so I think I need a proper doctor who goes "pain? Let's do fifteen tests and then some prescriptions so I get a kickback"

Uff, I just got a downvote on Stack Overflow, and I have no idea why. Maybe because it is a beginner question - but I said that I am a beginner in the first sentence.

-1

Q: How to represent parent-child data in R?

I want to import some data into R, and wonder how to structure it. I have used R before, but I am still at a very beginner level. The data represents a typical one-to-many relationship, and is available as XML. To not make you wrap your heads around the complicated reality of my actual data, le...

@rumtscho I don't understand the question :D

@Mien I am trying to pick a data structure

so I can import my data into it

everything fits in a dataframe

but I don't know which data structure is typical for this type of data in R

2:37 PM

and you can change the class per variable

@Mien A data frame is not hierarchical

you can change the data so it is, no?

3:06 PM

@rumtscho Your approach is all wrong. Just get a horde of graduate student interns to analyze the data by hand. Much simpler. And they are free.

but bad :P

They are not free, and I don't have any of them available :(

and, as Mien says, their work quality is frequently disappointing

They are free here :P

I am now redoing someone's work :/

4:01 PM

R looks scary. I went to its web page, and I think you need a Phd in R usage just to use it. Talk about a beginner hostile website! Why on earth would you pick that tool?

I love R :)

I fp

How did you ever get past the hostility of their educational materials?

@SAJ14SAJ by not using them :) There is a very good R in a nutshell book by O'Reilly.

and you need to know both statistics and programming to understand R

If you use a good interface, like R Studio, it's quite easy

so it is well known for steep learning curves among everybody who knows one of those but not the other

4:11 PM

Or neither :)

But you can use R even if you don't know programming I guess

simple stuff

you put 1 + 1 and it gives you 2

yes, for simple things, you can go by with simple programming knowledge

or, of course, simple statistics

the good thing about R is that, once you have your data prepared, it can deliver you a multivariate regression with a single command, for example

but you have to know enough multivariate statistics to judge if the way you applied the command makes sense at all

That is interesting because one of the more comprehensible things in their user hostile documentation is "this is not a statistics package" :-)

I am getting the feeling it is used by people who cannot afford or get their employer to buy them a copy of Mathmatica :-)

It is for free!

And much better than say SPSS or SAS

usually :P

4:27 PM

@Mien That seems to be its defining virtue from my naive point of view :-)

Who dares to say that for free is a bad thing? ;)

Whoever coined the phrase 'you get what you pay for'

@SAJ14SAJ here a post about the role of R. Rather judgemental, but there is a kernel of truth in the stereotypes.

seanjtaylor.com/post/39573264781/the-statistics-software-signal

@Mien Its not a bad thing. I use paint.net for all of my image needs, but I don't confuse it with photoshop :-)

@Yamikuronue I have usually found "you don't get what you pay for" to be closer to the truth

4:38 PM

@rumtscho More like cost and value are not tightly correllated. But there are reasons certain expensive toys like Mathmatica and Photoshop for example continue to be the standard bearer in their respective niches.

But judging by the blood, sweat and tears I have paid to use the free-as-in-beer R, it must be a really good thing :)

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@rumtscho When people pay in that currency and break through to the other side, and then they are the experts, they tend to become huge partisans :-) Otherwise, how was the cost possibly worth it? That could explain some of the sociological effect of really unfriendly packages (Apache, I am looking at you) becoming incredibly popular.

And everything from oracle.

that said, I have found that if you have a problem with a piece of free software, good fucking luck. If you have a problem with big-name expensive software, there's a million sources of help.

So what I do is use the free stuff until it doesn't work for me anymore, then buy a replacement

@rumtscho I must be so far from his target audience, because I have no idea really what he is ranting about, although it makes him sound like the kind of person who belives difficult == good, which I think is actually counterproductive.

GIMP still is holding for me so I haven't bought Photoshop, but Windows Movie Maker has become a total piece of shit and the best advice I can find is "buy Premier Elements", so...

4:41 PM

Oracle has a very good cost-value ratio. But it is value for the people who make the decision which software to install (for whom it is valuable that they have a large supplier to blame if something goes wrong), not value for the people who have to use the software.

(or "buy a mac and use iMovie" but that's even worse)

@rumtscho Have you costed oracle stuff? It is hugely, incredibly, monumentally, stupendously, superlatively, fantastically expensive.

@SAJ14SAJ of course it is. But I think that CEOs of large institutions prefer it that way.

Of course, I am happy that my employer doesn't have such grandiose dreams. We use Microsoft databases. Very developer-friendly, especially when we are doing everything in .NET.

@rumtscho I don't know. In my enterprise, Oracle is one of the leading contenders for IAM infrastructure. Except they want about $6M. Every other bidder is coming in around 0.75-1.25M. Do you even think I will invite them to bid in the last round?

@SAJ14SAJ OK, but there are still people who buy Oracle systems. So I guess there are cases where it makes sense, from the point of view of the decision maker.

5:00 PM

And the last of my credit cards is paid off :)

(or will be once my bank sends the money to the card-issuing bank)

@Yamikuronue :-)

@Yamikuronue congratulations!

by the way @Yamikuronue what cocktail did you get yesterday?

Thanks :)

I ended up making a Midas (Cream Soda + Spiced Rum). It's fairly sweet, but by the time I got home I didn't have the energy to mix anything new

I'm trying to convince my brain today that it's more ethical to go home early and have a nap when I'm this dead on my feet than to try to force myself to keep going and produce shitty output I'll have to redo later. Too much stress this week, definitely.

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Jonesing.

I will try a snack before I throw in the towel.

5:19 PM

ouch.

I was shopping today, and saw a new chocolate series by Lindt.

Got the white chocolate with pieces of apricot and almond

and now I tried it.

Tastes like sugar with a waxy texture :(

Yeah, white chocolate is very hit or miss

A lot of Lindt chocolate has extra fat added for the "creaminess".

5:36 PM

@sourd'oh I tink that is common in any coverture type chocolate, as well.

@SAJ14SAJ It is. Lindt just seems to go overboard with it in most of their chocolates.

Their Excellence isn't bad at all.

I don't mind extra fat. But this stuff tasted like sugar and nothing else.

is "controversial" the right term for foods that people tend to dislike?

@Yamikuronue Only for Durian.

5:42 PM

Lol! What would you call foods like mushrooms, olives, anchovies, asparagus, Brussels sprouts?

@Yamikuronue Icky, neutral, neutral, icky, HORRIBLe.

lol

@SAJ14SAJ newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/15/…

I didn't watch the video.

Believe it or not, this is what you find out when reading economics blogs.

@Yamikuronue acquired taste

BTW: So last night, I called the healthcare.gov folks, as the online chat folks had instructed me... The phone folks can't help either.

5:53 PM

@derobert I would totally visit a cat ~~petting zoo for adults~~ cafe

although the Japanese prices are somewhat steep

No idea what a cat café costs...

$8.60/hr, apparently

or €6.30

Yes, I expected maybe half of that

We dont' have off-topic > shopping?

for a flag reason?

you can use other, which question?

@Yamikuronue We have no concensus on it right now.

And Jefromi thinks that withou the "too localized" issue it is even more problematic.

5:59 PM

Really? I was sure those were off topic network-wide

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Q: Breaking Bad - Glass Frying Pan

I saw this Glass Frying Pan on "Breaking Bad" TV Series and thought it to be really cool. Does anyone know where I can buy a glass frying pan like the one seen on Braking Bad? Please advise! Thanks!!

That one seems fine to me, depending on the answers

And our Mods are definitely at least 2/3 in the "include everything unless it is absolutely perfectly 100% clear it is off topic" which is a philosophy I don't share.

@Yamikuronue Not really. Originally it was a Superuser policy. Its mostly network wide, but its up to each individual site...

e.g., photo.SE takes some shopping questions

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Q: What types of sourcing questions should be allowed? (Revisit: March 2013 -- Please read again)

I have edited this question to bring it to the top of the meta-SA list, because it never seems to have come to consensus, and is relevant again (March 2013). We have had two sourcing questions lately: Is free-range veal available in the US? (later edited) Where can I buy borosilicate (Pyrex) b...

discussion allowed-topics

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Q: Are shopping requests on-topic, or should them be considered too localized?

I am asking because I noticed the following question, but I am interested to understand in general if shopping questions are on-topic: Where can I buy fresh water prawns? I think that such questions are too localized, in some way, or too general, in an other way. If the expected answer is the pl...

discussion faq questions

1

Q: Shopping for an oven on-topic?

Albeit this maybe a featured question isn't this particular question off topic? What oven should I buy, which is appropriate for baking? From my understanding, i thought that shopping questions are off topic if you're trying to poll or ask for an opinion. Examples of on topic shopping questio...

... and probably a few more questions on meta.

@Yamikuronue e.g., an answer on that question that discussed the history of Pyrex cookware, and some of the pros and cons would be good

@Yamikuronue That Wellington question was pretty old... did you ever make one? What did you do?

I didn't, I forgot about it. Now that I've been reminded I have the urge to experiment agian, maybe this weekend

I wonder if I can get chestnuts yet...

6:12 PM

@Yamikuronue the stores are full of chestnuts here. have been for at least 3 weeks.

So there is at least one climate where they are ripe now :)

@Yamikuronue Are you allowed an open fire in your apartment? :-)

@rumtscho Chestnuts are a pretty niche item here... I have never actually eaten one nor even seen one in person.

Haha no way, I wish

I could maybe set one inside the bbq thoguh

I only see them around Christmas, for people who want tradition.

@Yamikuronue I think that is when they are in season, anyway.

Here is a trivia fact: chestnuts really are botanical nuts.

If they were to come into season earlier, they'd not be sold I think

I think the chestnut-selling season is shorter than the chestnut-ripening season

Well, I have no chestnut buying season at all.

Chris Steinbach

6:29 PM

Pre-ordered myself one of these babies earlier sansaire.com

Cheap immersion circulator

@ChrisSteinbach Yeah, a few of our chatters did the same during their Kickstarter.

I am holding off to hear the reports and reviews from you early adopters.

Chris Steinbach

Yeah, wish I'd got in on that, saw it for the first time today

Serious Eats has a review of sorts if you've not seen that

@ChrisSteinbach Not sure how they could, the device isn't out yet... but normally I read everything that goes by on SE.

Chris Steinbach

seriouseats.com/2013/08/…

I too preordered one

6:37 PM

@SAJ14SAJ regular or water chestnuts?

@Mien REgular. I hate water chestnuts, they have this... frangible texture that is all powdery and icky.

regular chestnuts are a lot more common here than the water ones :P

Almost every toddler here eats roasted/toasted/popped chestnuts in kindergarten

@ChrisSteinbach Yeah, I ordered one during the Kickstarter.

@SAJ14SAJ Serious Eats was sent a pre-production model

@derobert Yeah, that is nice to read, but it doesn't count.

I'm hoping it actually comes out early November, so I can see how much I like it... In time for my brothers and I to figure out what to get our parents for Christmas.

Other than that, we've already told them they're getting another Nexus 7 :-P

7:28 PM

*me

@Cerberus What about you? :-)

You know what I meant.

@Cerberus ACtually, no clue, but that is fine.

I corrected Derobert's "I".

As a linguist, you will understand...

@Cerberus Hadn't noticed it until you pointed it out.

What is new in Netherlandia today?

7:40 PM

I have go buy food, that's what.

Later!

8:07 PM

any mods here @rumtscho @derobert ?

@Mien I'm not a mod...

I flagged an answer because I think it should be merged together with a different answer from the same user

ah right

Notice the lack of a diamond :-P

sorry for the unnecessary ping then

Yeah, you're not engaged, I know :P

@Mien I saw the flag, will have to find the 10 minutes to work on it

there is no way to automatically merge answers, will have to do it by hand and write an explanation for the user

8:18 PM

Yes thought so. I can edit, but I can't delete so I didn't touch it.

drinks freshly pressed orange juice

puts some wodka in it

Oh, dear.

Do they sell separate "press oranges" in your country?

They do here.

They are the same price, but they look different. € 1,50/kg.

I wonder what the difference is.

I'd like to make a public service announcement!

If ever your RAID arrays break, mdadm --create is not how you fix them.

Thank you!

Oh no!

What happened?

Can your data be recovered?

Was it "fast RAID" or "duplicate RAID"?

(I can never remember the numbers.)

8:35 PM

Not my data...

3

Q: recovery data from RAID and disk failure (Linux)

Some background A friend of mine was using in his office a NAS Buffalo-LS-WVL with two disks of 1TB each. It seems that the two disks were mounted as raid 1, but, as you will read, probably they have been not. The NAS gave some problems of extremely slowness and then suddenly didn't work anymore...

hard-disk data-recovery raid mdadm failure

that person's data

Ah OK.

Wow, that sounds like a very thorough answer.

Not that I would know how much of it was true...

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