The Frying Pan

3:40 PM

it is so good

There aren't many Central American or South American restaurants here

But even if they were, I wouldn't visit them so often, because I don't like spicy food.

@rumtscho Brazillian bbq is an amazing thing.

I was in a Mexican restaurant in Tübingen a few months ago

my best friends dad grew up in Argentina and I was introduced to it at a family barbecue. I was hooked.

I had some kind of cheese-topped enchilada

And it turned out to be made with processed cheese.I was disappointed.

3:42 PM

@rumtscho sounds like Tex-Mex

@tastefive I don't think that diners here distinguish between pure Mexican and TexMex

that's a shame.

I think it is normal.

TexMex != Mexican

It comes from 1) lack of deep experience with both cuisines and 2) the need to use substitutes so some of the signature ingredients are missing anyway.

3:44 PM

@rumtscho sure

Sure. And German food is not the same as Austrian food, but can you, as an American, tell the difference?

@tastefive do German restaurants in America differentiate between Bavaria and Schwabia?

or do they just churn out fuckloads of sausages?

@ElendilTheTall I couldn't tell you. It is all sausage and schnitzel

@ElendilTheTall to be fair, I can't usually tell if my grilled sausage is Nürnberg style or Pfalz style. But then, I don't eat grill sausage very often.

@tastefive my point exactly

3:46 PM

@ElendilTheTall I get it, I just said it was a shame

Actually we have heavily german populated areas that probably do make the distinctions, but I wouldn't know what they meant

hey, you're the chef, open a true Mexican restaurant in Kugenfelzenbergerstadt

@tastefive I am not sure that Americans from German descent make the distinctions

Their knowledge of German cuisine is probably the one they got from their Grandmas

And a Grandma from any region tends to pass on knowledge of her region only.

@rumtscho Hmm, that is probably very trues as well

I am more thinking about the restaurants in those areas

Are the differences between the two German cuisines large or are they pretty similar.

There are no two distinct German cuisines

For me the difference between TexMex and Mexican is huge. An example is I have not found a TexMex restaurant in Texas that has food I find pleasurable to eat.

3:53 PM

But each region has its signature dishes

Ahh, much like Italy. Well I would say that is definitely different than the TexMex and Mexican differences

Possible. But "signature dishes" can mean different things.

For example, Maultaschen is a Swabian specialty, a kind of dumplings.

From what I understand TexMex is chipotle-this and chipotle-that

and Mexican is fresher with more vegetables and lime etc

@ElendilTheTall I see it more as food covered in Nacho cheese and/or chili

You can eat it outside of Swabia too, and it will be the same as in Swabia. But it isn't found that often in other places.

3:55 PM

and none of food underneath resembles anything I have seen in Mexico

On the other hand, there are different varieties of schnitzel

You can get a wiener schnitzel outside Vienna

But if you only want "a schnitzel", the default type of schnitzel is different in the different regions.

The same is true for grilled sausages.

@rumtscho German restuarant here usually offer a good handfull of different schnitzel, but I would have to ask what the differences are.

The differences are mostly the sauce eaten with them

Sometimes also the animal used and the breading.

@rumtscho right, that I know, but I do wonder if the restaurant could tell me about region if I asked them.

Wiener schnitzel has to be veal.

3:59 PM

Yay schnitzel!

I ate one in Vienna.

It was OK, but nothing special.

@tastefive Not sure - even I can't tell much, but then, I have only lived in two (neighbouring) regions, and I don't eat out normally.

There was no good sauce—just lemon juice.

@Cerberus of course, there isn't a sauce for wiener schnitzel

They are made from very tender veal, lots of crispy breading, and are served with a slice of lemon and french fries. Never a sauce, alothough philistines want ketchup for the fries.

But a jägerschnitzel for example is always made with dark mushroom-cream sauce.

@rumtscho I love Jagerschnitzel

I think it is a pork schnitzel too, not beef.

4:01 PM

@rumtscho Yes that was my impression; but I meant to say that it is a bit boring for that reason.

Or wait, maybe jägerschnitzel didn't have cream in the sauce, not sure. But mushrooms are always in it.

I know there isn't supposed to be a sauce with it traditionally.

@Cerberus if you say so. Usually, the meat quality is so good, you don't need a sauce for it.

my coworker has eaten Sacher torte in Café Sacher, Now that's a thing I want to try.

I have only had it with sauce supreme.

I never was in Austria. I have ridden a bus through it, but always transit.

4:03 PM

I find plain veal not very exciting.

@tastefive then it wasn't a real jägerschnitzel

@rumtscho well it is what I would call sauce supreme, basically a cream and mushroom sauce.

It is defined through its sauce, the same way beef bourguignon is not bourguignon without the sauce.

@tastefive I thought there aren't mushrooms in sauce supreme

Also, isn't it made with light stock?

The jägerschnitzel sauce is based on dark sauce.

@rumtscho veloutte + cream + mushrooms = supreme

@rumtscho I believe it is bourguinonne.

4:07 PM

@Cerberus I could never learn the correct way to write it. So probably you are right.

@rumtscho The full name is boeuf à la [cuisine] bourguignonne.

@rumtscho hmm, I guess escoffier didn't specifically mention the addition of mushrooms, but it seems to be pretty common place in modern kitchens.

That's why it's feminine.

So, for jägerschnitzel sauce, first the unbreaded schnitzel are fried in butter

Ah, strike that, it is not deglazed - so this is the schnitzel only, not the sauce

The sauce starts with sweating the shallots

@rumtscho interesting, fried before the breading.

4:09 PM

I am a mildly happy bunny

@tastefive no, not breading at all

the landlord replaced my oven today

Hmm now I feel like a nice rabbit stew...

White wine is poured over the hot shallots

so A) it should no longer trip my circuit breakers when it gets hot

4:09 PM

@ElendilTheTall congrats

and B) I can use the grill (broiler)

Yay!

Then dark stock is added

I have always had it breaded so it most not be classic.

@rfusca do you think your pizza broiler technique would work with a stone rather than cast iron?

4:10 PM

and then there are mushrooms added. Cream is optional.

@ElendilTheTall cast iron is needed for the bottom

You can broil the upper side placed on whatever you want

is it needed or just preferred though?

But you must bake the lower side on the stovetop

You can't get the needed temp on the stone

The whole point is that your stovetop gets hotter than the stone in a normal oven

And you use this for the bottom and the broiler for the top

I'm thinking get the stone good and hot in the oven as normal, put it in, then switch to broiler so the residual heat and the heat in the stone bakes the pizza as normal while the broiler crisps the top

@ElendilTheTall if you think so - but normally pizza gets well done when placed on a stone

Which means that an oven with a stone bakes the bottom and the top at a comparable rate

If you add the broiler to that, you probably will overbake the top

well, now the oven won't cut out every other electric device in my house when it gets super hot I'll be happier to leave the stone to get really hot

4:13 PM

@rumtscho I would tend to agree. I think the top would cook to quickly

It is not a matter of getting it super hot

It is a matter of heat transfer rate, it differs between materials

I'm talking about regular baking here

previously I would get the oven to just 250 then start

Iron outputs much more heat per second than stone

so the temp probably dropped a lot when the door opens

and the stone wasn't all that hot

now I'll leave it longer so the stone can get properly hot

And I suspect that your broiler also outputs much more heat than the stone is capable of

@ElendilTheTall This is a good thing to do - but then, I still think that you won't need the broiler

4:16 PM

I gathered - I just said I was talking about regular baking :)

This oven is not a convection one like the old one, I'll need to pay more attention to shelf position

Well, either way, you will probably have better pizza than before

So, big congrats!

but it has the advantage of being spotless, so the glass is clear - I can see how things are baking without opening the door

hmmm, that's worrying

I set the oven for 180, the oven thermometer says 140

I know they're usually poorly calibrated, but that's a big discrepancy

4:31 PM

well guy, brb.

hobodave

4:41 PM

I hurt my back trying to squat last night :(

I'm bent over like an old man

4:52 PM

@rumtscho Hear anything back about the blog? Nothing so far in the blog chat.

5:25 PM

@derobert no

Hi.

Q: Right people to contact to get a beta community blog on blogoverflow?

@rumtscho well then... They haven't managed to serve the restraining order yet, so I'll bug meta.SO

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5:52 PM

@derobert have you tried pinging rebecca chirnoff(sp?)

@dpollitt yes, both here and in the community blog room

@dpollitt and I think @Laura has pinged her as well..

yea

why a "beta" community blog? why not just a blog for cooking.se?

i didnt know the blogs when in beta first

@dpollitt Well, the posts saying how it works say there is a beta period first

ah

@dpollitt With the amount of pinging done, I fully expect Rebecca's response to come in the form of a restraining order :-)

5:57 PM

haha

its her job... i wouldnt worry too much

its not like she is a volunteer, i dont think at least

We're not real bloggers 'til we've been hauled into court at least once :-P

... or is that only journalists?

6:11 PM

Oh I thought that was about rockstars.

@Mien Well, with rockstars you have to be hauled into court at least once on drug charges.

Or assault.

Oh no, that's RnB/Hiphop!

Black metal stars have the best choice

drugs, church burning, fashion crimes, murder - all of these work

But only the ones who have been charged with all four reach the black metal hall of fame, I think

6:26 PM

what are fashion crimes?

Running around naked?

wearing corpsepaint

Is that illegal?

@rumtscho wait, that's illegal?!

I mean, I know Europe doesn't believe in free speech and all, but...

And remember I wanted to make cookies with two doughs, 1 chocolate and the other one perhaps orange? I think I'll try to make the other one with PB. But I'll need more chocolate then :p

@derobert I think our speech is freeer than yours.

@Mien We don't arrest people for what they say on Twitter!

... no matter how much an ass they are

6:34 PM

@derobert it isn't really illegal, this was a joke

Didn't Julian Assange flee to Europe?

A: Right people to contact to get a beta community blog on Blog Overflow?

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You're slated to get a blog, ASAP. We're just waiting on some technical issues and, hopefully the new beta design. Worse case, we'll launch with the Sketchy theme, but the whole process has been a bit backlogged. It wasn't intentionally, and sorry for the delays. It's coming.

The rest wasn't - the most prominent black metal singers have been in jail for church burnings, and one of them for killing another black metal singer

@derobert Nice.

The drug charges are just normal, probably even lower incidence than in other types of stars.

6:36 PM

@Mien I think he's fleeing from Europe at the moment, actually.

As for free speech, you are really a bit freer

At least in Germany, it is against the law to deny the Holocaust happened

@rumtscho I think that's rather normal.

Sorry for the delay in getting your blog set up guys. You will get one

It's illegal to be stupid.

@Mien In America, it is not illegal

6:36 PM

@Laura No problem :)

We were just wondering because we didn't get a response.

@rumtscho Well, it should be.

@Mien Luckily, this isn't the case

The prisons are bursting as it is

But can you call it free speech if your car get keyed because of a sticker?

I know, and I apologize for that. It takes a bunch of people coordinating, and our designers are really busy, and a lot of people are traveling this month for conferences.

It should be illegal to have kids if you're stupid as well ;)

If being stupid was illegal, we would have to put half the earth population in jail

6:37 PM

@Mien I'm all for making stupidity illegal. The problem is: who gets to decide what is stupid?

Not really an excuse for the lack of response, but that's the explanation.

@Sobachatina I am, of course.

@rumtscho I'd say 100% of the population at one time or another.

@rumtscho Yes, and here of course, we have National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie

@Laura I forgive you :)

6:38 PM

Forget your keys one day? Go to jail for the day.

@Mien thanks. that's very gracious :)

@Sobachatina That's not stupid. That's oblivious.

@Laura It's OK for me - I know I don't I don't always respond the next day to my mails

@Laura Enjoy it while it lasts.

@Mien Oblivious is a subset of stupid.

6:39 PM

Isn't oblivious forgetting?

@Sobachatina oblivious isn't stupid

It can have its uses

See- already we don't agree.

The opposite of oblivious is a neurotic

And both are stupid.

I don't know if being a neurotic is being stupid.

6:41 PM

I'm gonna watch something so I can get out of this stupid converstation.

It is, of course, detrimental to the neurotic.

I wouldn't call it stupid.

The neurotic person normally knows he's being illogical.

Wouldn't it be fair that people who do something detrimental to themselves is doing something stupid?

'something detrimental' can be very broad.

It hurts the definition of rationality

6:42 PM

Obese people; but even fire fighters.

I don't think that would be a good criterion.

But so do other behaviours, which are not normally considered stupid

@Mien Exactly my point. All of these could be called stupid if you want. And don't agree with them.

People in love often exhibit irrational behaviour

@rumtscho But it's not a constant state.

@rumtscho Very true. Love is clearly stupid.

6:43 PM

If it's a passing stupidity, there is still hope.

Oh- so it has to be constantly stupid to be illegal?

@Sobachatina I love you.

How long do you have to demonstrate stupidity for it to be constant.

@Sobachatina I think it should be.

@Sobachatina OK, I see. You define "stupid" to be the same as "irrational"

I think they are not the same, even though there is substantial overlap

6:45 PM

I also don't think they're the same.

@Mien I don't think you should be arrested for loving me. That is completely rational.

@Sobachatina Yeey.

My wife might disagree of course.

I don't want to be behind bars.

That's her problem.

She should be glad she's not getting arrested.

@Sobachatina As a good Christian, she should understand the concept of Nächstenliebe

How do you call it in English?

6:47 PM

@rumtscho Platonic love?

Love thy neighbor?

Charity.

Brotherly love?

@Mien Yes, I think this is the literal translation of the principle

So- it was a mistranslation?

@mien doesn't love me she has charity for me?

That's somehow not quite as flattering. :/

6:48 PM

liebe = love; Nächtsen = neighbor, friend, people that live 'next' to you

Makes sense.

@Sobachatina "Nächstenliebe" literally means "loving the one next to you" - but "the one next to you" is more used in the sense of your peer

@Sobachatina I said it in English ;) Don't worry.

Naastenliefde in Dutch if you care :)

'Liebe' I knew. At least from Liebestraum.

@Sobachatina Why would you know that word??

6:49 PM

I don't know what the original word is, so that it got translated into these two different-sounding phrases in German and English, but I mean that this is the religious name of the concept I meant

Of course, it does cover brotherly love, etc. - I was just searching for the phrase.

Latin caritas.

@Mien Mr. Liszt made it famous.

The classical catholic virtue.

Liebesträume

Liebesträume (German for Dreams of Love) is a set of three solo piano works (S/G541) by Franz Liszt, published in 1850. Liszt called each of the three pieces Liebesträume; but, often they are referred to incorrectly in the singular as Liebestraum (especially No. 3, the most famous of the three). Originally the three Liebesträume (Notturni) were conceived as songs after poems by Ludwig Uhland and Ferdinand Freiligrath. In 1850, two versions appeared simultaneously as a set of songs for high voice and piano, and as transcriptions for piano two-hands. The two poems by Uhland and the one by F...

So, I have the same problem as yesterday

I have to cook this long-taking chilli, but I am hungry now

I think I will have a much quicker and simpler dinner

So I still have time left to cook afterwards

I had to throw out my beans from yesterday, they had started to build foam :(

6:52 PM

Why don't you eat a cracker with cheese first?

BTW, my pan odyssey continues

I just did that for the same reason.

@Cerberus I don't have crackers

@Cerberus Gouda is good with crackers.

Also, the only cheese I have now is very good cheese

It needs time to be savored.

And I wouldn't adulterate it with lowly crackers.

So, the pan was obviously not seasoned enough

When I fried some bacon in it, parts of the seasoning came off

6:54 PM

@rumtscho :(

This was a few days ago, but I was busy

Now I finally got to make the second destripping

I put on the old gloves

And when I opened the hydroxide, I noticed a slight sting, like from touching young nettle

@Sobachatina Do you play the piano?

It looks like scouring the pan with steel wire has made imperceptibly small holes in the gloves

@Mien I took lessons but I don't play well enough to play Liszt.

I do like classical music in general though.

@rumtscho Anything!

6:56 PM

So I narrowly avoided chemical burns - luckily, I noticed the sting early enough, when some fine powder reacted with my sweat.

@rumtscho Like how good?

@Sobachatina Yeah baby!

If I had just plunged my hand in the lye, I don't know what would have happened.

@Cerberus aged pecorino

I can see the tyrosine crystals with my bare eye

@rumtscho Glad you avoided that experiment.

The knife breaks it rather than cutting it

@Sobachatina I am glad too

@rumtscho Hmm I know what I would do...

6:57 PM

But after I changed my gloves, I decided to improve my safety

@Cerberus we have a radio commercial (I think for Beemster? Or Milner?). And at the end they say something about 'Goudse kaas' :(

You could grate a bit of pecorino on a cracker and put in the microwave for ten seconds.

And not hold the bare wire pad for scouring, but grip it through something

@Mien Heh, probably designed for you forruners!

@Cerberus I don't have a microwave. I don't have crackers. And hard cheeses have terrible melting properties.

6:58 PM

@Cerberus I don't know :-/

@rumtscho True...

And the cheese is way too good for mixing it with crackers anyway.

It's in Dutch, with a Dutch accent. They even say "gouse" instead of goudse

@rumtscho Is it that expensive?

So, I decided to grip my wire pad through something.

6:59 PM

@Mien They do that because they know you think that's "authentic".

And what do you think did my birdbrain come up with?

Alu foil.

@rumtscho Not always- parmesan melts like plastic- it's even flexible enough to mold.

You flew out of the window?

Makes for fun things like parmesan bowls, etc.