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12:12 AM
btw, in general, this seems to be a really good site weekendbakery.com
 
12:49 AM
Mm... my partner made broccoli cheese soup to dip my undersized bread in :D
 
@Yamikuronue lol, awesome
is he/she a good cook?
 
He's learning. But this turned out good :)
 
awesome
 
he's much better at gauging seasonings and experimenting than planning
 
definitely more of a cook than a baker then. Baking is more exact
 
12:59 AM
yeah :)
 
1:15 AM
@Yamikuronue what's next for you to bake?
 
I plan to keep doing bread on weekends until I get that down. I don't have much time during the week, though I might make brownies to take to a friend's
 
well, if you want a book that really helps, The Bread Baker's Apprentice is wonderful
it'll cut several weekends of 'eh, ok' stuff out
 
Jay
@rfusca zyup i just got it this weeknd
its pretty sweert
 
I've got BBApprentice on my list. I just bought this one: amazon.com/gp/product/0743228375/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
 
1:20 AM
@Yamikuronue interesting, haven't heard of it - any good?
 
It's not got much novel, just a bunch of basic recipes for various breads and a couple pages of tips
 
BBA is what really brought out my love for bread. It holds a special place in my heart even though I rarely bake a recipe directly out of it anymore
 
but you can get a used copy cheap and I figure it'll fill in gaps in my currentbookshelf
:)
 
gotcha
 
1:22 AM
cool
 
My stepmom had that one and I re-purchased it after I left home because I missed it so much
 
nice
 
1:48 AM
I bet I could use this to steam clean my oven
just steam it for like a hour and then wipe it out
 
2:05 AM
lol!
And hey, if you get a cold, juts turn on steam and stick your head inside :)
instant vapor-machine
 
2:20 AM
@Yamikuronue lol
this is my third loaf today...
but i'm taking this one to my parents
 
Nice
 
i'm slightly worried about the loaf in the oven. its one of the biggest i've done, and if the steam works like it should, should just get huge
 
 
3 hours later…
5:17 AM
btw, my father cleverly pointed out, that if you could find/make a stopper with a hole for the tubing and such, you could just use a teakettle for steam as well. Wouldn't want the valve like I have, but it'd still work
 
 
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8:54 AM
@rfusca so how did it go?
 
 
2 hours later…
10:52 AM
@rfusca will a 2 kW kettle produce enough steam?
I have been looking around for a project as an excuse to buy some sugru, this stopper sounds like it
 
11:02 AM
My hob and oven are separate (the oven is built into the kitchen units) so I can't get fancy with tubing and steam, alas.
 
@ElendilTheTall if you use the kettle solution with an electric kettle, you are not hob-dependent
But you need an opening to get the steam in, of course
 
Precisely - the only access I have to the oven is the door :)
And I think my landlord might object to my drilling holes through that :)
 
Mine too, but it doesn't close tight, so I figure I can put a thin tube through
 
Hmmmm
That's a good point, the door has a soft seal that would probably admit a fairly stiff tube
The problem with an electric kettle is that it only boils briefly
If you had a traditional stovetop kettle you could maintain the boil indefinitely
 
@ElendilTheTall aaah I forgot that part
Hmm, do you have a portable hot plate?
Or a camping butane burner?
 
11:07 AM
Does it need to boil to have steam?
I know it would be best. But no idea if it's necessary.
 
@mien you want enough steam.
Also, how would you keep it at a simmer if not with an apparatus capable of producing a boil?
and if you have that, why keep it at a simmer?
 
Oh, electric kettle.
I wasn't paying attention.
But still. It boils for 1 minute (if that).
But water will be vaporized much longer, no?
 
@mien I would think you'd want it to boil in order to keep the pressure up and force the steam into the oven
 
@ElendilTheTall Sure.
But I won't do it anyway :D
 
@rumtscho I don't need a portable burner, I could just put the kettle on the hob and run the tube into the oven
 
11:10 AM
I was just thinking about you.
 
@mien you're only human ;)
 
But why not put a tray with water in the oven, like normal people?
You all want to be freaks like @rfusca? ;)
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because A) that doesn't produce much steam and B) you also have to keep opening the oven to spray with water and that's a chore
 
@ElendilTheTall Oh, when you started saying that they are separate, I thought they were so far apart as to be impractical to run a tube.
 
no, just separate and therefore impossible to do what rfusca has done
 
11:13 AM
@ElendilTheTall I have never seen an oven where it would be possible, there are no holes under the plates in the ovens I know.
 
rfusca seems to have done it
probably shot a hole through the side of the oven with a .44 he had lying around the kitchen :D
 
@Mien constructing a device which forces steam under pressure into your oven doesn't sound like the coolest kitchen experiment ever to you?
 
@rumtscho I think there are cooler ones ;)
 
@ElendilTheTall he seems to have some crazy kind of oven. Must be another thing them Merkins make for no good reason.
 
Hmm, I have an oven and next to the stove top there are holes which let go of steam (?) from the oven. I don't know whether it would be safe to tape them closed or something.
 
11:15 AM
Steam leaks from the bottom of my oven door
 
But then again, prolly not enough steam
 
seems to be a design feature
 
@derobert I don't think these exist, you get either the range or the precision. If they do, they will be way too expensive. I bake with a normal scale (up to 2 kg, 1g precision) for the usual stuff and a small scale (up to 100 g, 0.01 g precision) for yeast and salt. Works perfectly.
@Mien yes, you are better off with a dutch oven then, the same moisture in less volume
also, you don't want to tape the vent permanently, the steam is only good for bread.
I see this is some serious tube @rfusca uses
 
@rumtscho I wasn't thinking of a permanent thing :)
 
I had thought of a thin stiff plastic tube
But maybe it will melt
you know, like IV tubing.
But I wouldn't mind drilling a hole through my oven.
 
11:21 AM
I wouldn't use IV tubes I think.
 
It is a €50 toaster oven.
The problem is that the oven and the hob are on opposite ends of the kitchen.
 
but that oven isn't that big, is it?
 
And by opposite, I mean one of the cuboid diagonals.
@Mien mine? No, it is for a 30x30 cm pan.
So while I probably could afford the 2.2 m tubing or so needed, it will be an unpleasant barrier running through the middle of the kitchen.
 
I would move the oven for one day.
So what is under your hob?
 
@Mien a 50 cm high cabinet
the oven is on a high shelf (maybe 1.50 or a bit more) in the other corner of the kitchen
It would be easier to move the hob, it is portable.
But I don't know where I would place it. Maybe on the oven, but it gets hot.
Uff, somebody resurrected an old poll question.
 
11:29 AM
oh?
 
5
Q: Extraordinary spices

Łukasz LewWhat rare spices do you know and like? How do you use them to create uniquely tasting dishes?

I think current policy on these grandfathered questions is to hope that the community will close them with 5 votes, because they are too much in the grey area for a mod hammer.
 
How long does a close vote remain?
(I know I could look it up, but perhaps you know by heart)
 
I don't know, maybe a week
 
I'm off, bbl.
 
 
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12:43 PM
Anybody here to give me a community close vote on
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Q: What serve in a presentation to clients?

Valter HenriqueI'm gonna have a meeting with some clients and I have to prepare everything, since presentation of the new product that we developed and food. I was thinking about some coffe and cookies, but I don't know if I can improve this 'menu'. I tough ask here because the most of us are programmers and h...

 
12:53 PM
hi @rumtscho
 
hi @ValterHenrique
 
sorry about this topic I didn't know that I couldn't create that kind of topic
sorry any trouble
 
Hi!
 
It isn't trouble, we know that we are a bit more "special" than other forums
Most new users don't know much about it.
hi @Cerberus
 
More "special" in what way?
My first answer on Sceptics just got deleted.
Most new people on English.SE get scared off at their first try too.
Isn't that how the whole SE website works?
 
12:56 PM
@ValterHenrique We see closing of not constructive questions as keeping the site in a format which works best for us, but we don't get angry with users who didn't know about that.
 
@rumtscho I'm not angry =]
I understand completely
really =]
 
@Cerberus sure, but, strange as it may sound, there are people on the Internet who don't yet know how the whole StackExchange works.
 
@ValterHenrique You're a very gentle new user!
@rumtscho I still don't know either.
 
@Cerberus thank you
 
@ValterHenrique many new users whose question gets closed are either scared off because they think they did something we consider a terrible crime, or are angry because they think a mod closing their question is rude.
I remember the feeling of rejection the first time a question of mine was closed :)
 
12:59 PM
Yeah.
 
I've collected more than 20,000 reps on English, but their closing still seems rather arbitrary to me.
 
I can ask you guys here about my question ?
 
Sure!
That's why I always just ask in chat when I have an actual question.
 
@ValterHenrique in chat, there are no rules about being constructive or on-topic
 
1:00 PM
Much better.
 
@Cerberus Um, that's not how it is supposed to work -.-
 
@rumtscho It works better for me.
 
@Cerberus hahahahaha
okay
 
But for your question @ValterHenrique, I really don't know what to say
It is so broad, the answer could be practically anything
 
If people in chat don't have the beginning of a good answer, I won't get a good answer on the site either, usually.
@rumtscho Agreed.
 
1:01 PM
this is my question if someone what to help out : cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/21784/…
@rumtscho I know
I want to cause a good impression you know ?
 
Sure. But I am a bit surprised that you want to bring homebaked things to a meeting, especially if you are not experienced in baking
Or are you planning to buy them?
 
@rumtscho yes, sure
I know a thing or two in the kitchen, but I want to buy something for the meeting
 
Then you are constrained by what is available in your local bakery I guess
 
yep, that never occurs me
I have a great bakery near of my house where I could by some things there and take to the meeting
is a good option actually
=]
 
They will have better stuff than the supermarket
I see you live in Brazil, I don't know what the bakeries carry there
Cake is probably not so good, it is a bit messy, you need plates and forks
Prefer things which can be eaten with fingers without creating too much mess.
 
1:08 PM
you're right
 
Tip: when you're not sure, by something with lots of lemon.
It is very hard to botch up a lemon cake/cookie/pastry.
 
Maybe cinnamon rolls, pretzels, filled pastry pockets, croissants should work well.
 
Should I take something salty or just candy ?
 
With coffee? Something sweet.
With alcohol/soda, something salty.
 
And some bakeries also have smaller, drier cookies, I don't even think that they have a name in English.
 
1:10 PM
@rumtscho I'm gonna find out
@Cerberus good tip about what drink
coffe and salty is not a good option either ?
 
If you serve coffee, serve tea too.
@ValterHenrique Actually that can be fine.
Depends on what it is.
 
@Cerberus yes, this is a good thing
Some people don't want to drink caffeine
 
Sandwiches can be OK with coffee/tea, but not crisps.
@rumtscho I hate coffee, for example.
So I would have nothing to drink but water.
 
So organize hot water in Thermos jugs and different kinds of tea - both black tea and tea without coffeine (herbal or aromatized Rooibos)
 
And don't forget to have some milk, cream, and sugar with the coffee and tea.
@rumtscho Yes!
Yeah you could just serve the tea in bags.
So people can pick for themselves.
 
1:14 PM
@Cerberus Beside these, also have non-caloric sweetener, and, for a really good impression, honey. You should be able to find individual packs of honey if you look around.
 
@ValterHenrique you can also just buy a box of chocolates.
Hmm, I wouldn't buy honey... Isn't that overdoing it a bit?
 
@Cerberus That's exactly what I meant, bring hot water and tea bags.
 
How many clients will there be?
 
I think should be 5 tops
 
@Mien It is not necessary, but he said he wanted to make it look very good to the clients.
 
1:15 PM
Yes, but if there are only 4 clients and he has 20 things to choose from, I'd say he's pushing it :)
 
you're amazing
 
@ValterHenrique OK, that makes it easier.
 
And what hour is the meeting?
 
great tips guys, really
in the morning
 
Does your bakery have things like croissants?
 
1:16 PM
yes
 
You can really have a plate with sandwiches then - not the American style subs, but bread rolls topped with ham, cheese, sausage, salad leaves and/or antipasti stuff. Doesn't take much time to prepare sandwiches for up to 10 people, and it can be done in an office kitchen from relatively cheap supplies from the supermarket.
 
@rumtscho I don't think I would eat sandwiches at 8am. At 11am, yes.
 
oh @ValterHenrique if you really want to impress, you can also have fresh orange juice or hot chocolate.
I hate meat in the morning :p
 
@Mien Did he say it is at 8 am? I must have missed it.
 
1:19 PM
@rumtscho He said 'in the morning'.
 
Yes, but even if a meeting starts early, there is often a coffee break in the middle of the morning, so sometime around 10 or 10:30
Sure, no need for sandwiches and stuff if there is no big break, coffee and small cookies/waffles is enough for during the meeting
Things like sandwiches and croissants can't be nipped in the meantime, they need their own break
 
I think I would go for cinnamon rolls, pretzels, filled pastry pockets, croissants in the morning then after go for the @rumtscho last suggestion, what you think ?
 
@ValterHenrique All these things you listed are too big, they are served in a coffee break
 
@rumtscho Here, we have mini-shapes of that.
 
1:23 PM
You can leave plates with smaller, bite-sized things around for during the meeting
These are the waffles I mean.
 
@rumtscho hmm ok, got it what you meant
 
And this type of cookie mix is usual around here.
Both are bought in a supermarket, not in a bakery.
The bakery sells the stuff for the break.
 
@Mien You think a fresh orange juice or hot chocolate would be good to eat with waffles and these groceries that @rumtscho suggest ?
 
@ValterHenrique I don't think the OJ will be a good fit.
 
It is pretty standard to have bottled water too.
Here in Germany it should be fizzy and non-fizzy for a big meeting, else fizzy only.
Juice is sometimes present, but not always.
And I wouldn'd cook hot chocolate, but the supermarket should have individual packs of hot chocolate powder which only needs hot water.
You can display them together with the tea bags if you want to.
 
1:32 PM
hmm
great @rumtscho
 
But I think you can do without them if you want to, if you put all this stuff together it will be much more than most people expect.
 
@rumtscho If the choice was between fizzy and non-fizzy, I'd go for non-fizzy every time
 
The minimal list is: coffee, teabags+hot water, bottled water, sugar, cream, saccharine, cookies, maybe 2 types of baked goods for the break. Everything above is optional. Often appreciated and makes a good impression, but of course incurs expenses and time to organize.
 
I share the doc where I'm writing the tips (with the schedule) if you guys want to write there too be my guest =]
 
@ElendilTheTall Me too, but in Germany, fizzy is the standard. Maybe 10% prefer non-fizzy.
 
1:35 PM
bleuch
fizzy water just tastes of gas
 
@rumtscho That's not minimal :p
 
I would serve coffee, tea, water and biscuits or pastries at that time of day
you're certainly not obliged to serve breakfast goods, and its too early for lunch
you're there for a presentation, not a buffet
 
@ElendilTheTall good point
 
the idea is they should be refreshments, i.e. just enough to keep people going before lunch
without the presentation, presumably they would just have a coffee break around 10:30
 
1:45 PM
I was thinking this schedule :

9:00 AM (knewing the clients)
9:30 (starting the presentation)
10:30 ( finishing the presentation, starting brain storm, break)

what you guys think ? too early ?
 
Knewing?
You mean a reception?
 
sorry, 'knowing'
yes @Cerberus, reception
As I said, is gonna be 5 client at maximum for each meeting
So I'm working with some 20 min of delay
 
I don't know what's a normal time to start in your business.
Maybe start half an hour later than normal, to give people the impression that it is a sort of "relaxed" day, as opposed to a regular work day?
 
@Cerberus, normally we start the work at 8 AM, beggening at 9 AM would give this impression too, what you think ?
'starting'
 
Oh, right, yes.
 
1:56 PM
Did you know some way to save this conversation ? I certainly gonna read it lots of times =]
 
Hmm I think there was some way to save a conversation in chat, but I forgot how it worked.
You could also go to the transcript and copy-paste it all into a text file?
 
Well, this will not get deleted anyway...
Just remember the date.
 
Yeah if you're happy enough having it available on-line, no need to save it.
 
I go in 'full transcript' then save the page with ctrl + s, is saved locally =]
thank you so much for your help me out with this
all of you @rumtscho @Mien @Cerberus @ElendilTheTall, thanks!
 
Np :)
 
2:04 PM
@ValterHenrique Good luck with the presentation!
 
@Cerberus thanks mate
one thing is certain, that with the help that you give to me, I'm gonna "catch the clients by the stomach" :)
 
Haha.
 
Jay
2:34 PM
@ValterHenrique That's the only way into someone heart, even clients.
Can't wait to go home tonight and make my bread
I can taste it already
 
@jay you're right =]
the smell of a bread in the oven is delicious
 
Jay
@ValterHenrique I read over some of the comments about preparation for your presentation. When is it? Do you have time to make special artisan bread and impress them all ;)
 
@Jay He wants to make a special product to impress them as a software developer, and to buy good quality snacks, not to impress them as somebody who bakes when he should be preparing a software product :)
Also, I wouldn't recommend to bake for a high-profile occasion if one is not already a confident baker. And definitely no trying new recipes.
 
@rumtscho I said what I'm gonna say, thanks.
@Jay My case is exactly what @rumtscho said.
 
@ValterHenrique yes, that was more a general comment because of what @jay said, I was aware that we don't need to discuss that for your specific case any more.
 
Jay
2:48 PM
@ValterHenrique lol ok I'm just really excited about my bread
@rfusca 's bread fanaticism is rubbing off on me. Help!
 
@Jay =] it must be THE bread then
 
Jay
@ValterHenrique I think it's more because I just found out how much cooler bread is than i thought. American bread you buy at supermarkets is literally dirt compared to what I can bake myself.
Or at least what I hope to bake myself. I just started lol but with the help of the book I bought (Bread Baker's Apprentice), I hope to make a lot of awesome artisan bread
 
@rfusca- I made these on Sat.
They were exactly the same shape when they were formed- I just slashed them differently.
 
@Sobachatina your wife decorated your table and her blog in the same way?
She must really hold to that style.
 
:) No.
I make snowflakes in the winter. It's relaxing.
 
2:59 PM
Wow!
 

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