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12:00 AM
Нашел там мой самый любимый стих Пушкина:
К***

Я помню чудное мгновенье:
Передо мной явилась ты,
Как мимолетное виденье,
Как гений чистой красоты.

В томленьях грусти безнадежной,
В тревогах шумной суеты,
Звучал мне долго голос нежный
И снились милые черты.

Шли годы. Бурь порыв мятежный
Рассеял прежние мечты,
И я забыл твой голос нежный,
Твои небесные черты.

В глуши, во мраке заточенья
Тянулись тихо дни мои
Без божества, без вдохновенья,
Без слез, без жизни, без любви.

Душе настало пробужденье:
И вот опять явилась ты,
Как мимолетное виденье,
Today's cultural moment was brought to you buy AC Pushkin and the letter K.
 
@Sobachatina do you understand this one enough?
Помниш ли, помниш ли тихия двор,

тихия дом в белоцветните вишни? -

Ах, не проблясвайте в моя затвор,

жалби далечни и спомени лишни -

аз съм заключеник в мрачен затвор,

жалби далечни и спомени лишни,

моята стража е моят позор,

моята казън са дните предишни!



Помниш ли, помниш ли в тихия двор

шъпот и смях в белоцветните вишни? -

Ах, не пробуждайте светлия хор,

хорът на ангели в дните предишни -

аз съм заключеник в мрачен затвор,

жалби далечни и спомени лишни,

сън е бил, сън е бил тихия двор,
Today's second cultural moment in an even more obscure language was brought to you by Dimcho Debelyanov
 
:)
It sounds beautiful (if I am correctly guessing the pronunciation)
I am only understanding snippets though.
 
you probably can't guess the pronunciation, people who know Russian laugh at my attempts to pronounce Russian
 
Remember, remember the quiet courtyard, quiet home in a white-flowered ?
 
Sour-cherry trees
among the white-flowered (or white-colored) sour cherry trees
 
12:06 AM
That makes sense.
Somehow it always makes more sense when I know the answer.
 
Ah, don't sparkle in my prison,
 
блестить
 
far-away complaints and superfluous memories
 
That one I wouldn't have guessed but I can see they are all cognates.
 
@Sobachatina yes, we have блестя - shine
the corresponding verb in the other aspect is блясвам
and the prefix про- makes it even more shortlived
so it is a very short shine, or a sparkle
in the line about the complaints, the word order is reversed
 
12:09 AM
That doesn't bother me.
 
жалби are complaints, спомени are memories
 
Does Bulgarian have similar cases?
Yes I understood that- the Russian words are almost identical.
 
@Sobachatina no, we have a much simpler system of cases
Only pronouns are declined for cases at all
and we only have nominative, accusative and dative
we used to have vocative too, but it is only found in archaic texts
 
My favorite Russian poetry leverages the cases to create unusual (but grammatically correct) word order that fits the desired meter.
 
@Sobachatina ok, I thought it is the жалби line which has no cognates, obviously you meant the previous one.
I am afraid I can't think of the Russian translations while I am doing a BG-EN translation.
I probably can't do a BG-RU translation when I'm not thinking about English either, I can only do the other way round.
 
12:13 AM
That's ok. I'm already in awe of your quadrilingual language abilities.
 
аз съм заключеник в мрачен затвор: I am locked in a dark prison
 
I am a prisoner in a dark prison?
 
моята стража е моят позор: my guard is my shame (as in, I am guarded by my own shame)
моята казън са дните предишни! My sentence are the days of the past.
шъпот и смях в белоцветните вишни? - whispers and laughter among the white-blossomed sour cherry trees
Ах, не пробуждайте светлия хор, - don't wake the light choir
(light as in a light colour, not as in small weight)
 
I understood.
 
хорът на ангели в дните предишни - the choir of angels from the days past
 
12:17 AM
What is the T ending?
моят хорът
 
сън е бил, сън е бил тихия двор - it has been a dream, a dream
@Sobachatina a definite article
 
I think I asked you this but is the hard sign pronounced?
 
хор - choir
 
@rumtscho Really? You get those? Lucky.
 
хорът - the choir
and the pronouns decline with the nouns
 
12:19 AM
Ok.
 
so in the case of мой (mine) - моя is mine in accusative, моят is mine in nominative
@Sobachatina it is pronounced similar to U in Understand
Or U in Duck
or E in Farmer
I suspect that these three sound differently to you
But Bulgarians hear all three as an ъ
 
Understand and duck are the same.
Farmer- is mostly R but if I imagine it with an English accent then it fits.
 
The sound before the R in farmer?
The "dark" way to pronounce E?
Or also the start of Earth
Anything else to translate? I think the rest is repeated.
 
The US accent pulls that e back into the throat with the r- some places more than others.
It is lovely- I wish I knew what it sounded like.
Even with a Russian pronunciation it is quite lyrical.
btw: I got a kick out of this.
Hmm- the picture didn't work.
I'll have to post a link.
 
I found a video reciting the poet, but they don't say which poems, I have to listen to different parts
how do Americans pronounce Stalin? I don't get the rhyme with Valentine.
The video is very slow to load, it may take some time.
 
12:29 AM
Stalin as in "stalling"
 
and Valentine rhymes with "tine" like the parts of fork?
 
Yes.
It doesn't rhyme.
In Russian моя is nominative. Моей would be accusative.
I assume you already know more Russian than I do- I'm just trying to make a contribution to the conversation. :)
 
but in Russan, моя is female only?
 
Yes.
 
in Bulgarian, моя happens to be the definite accusative for male, as well as the nominative and the accusative for female nondefinite
 
12:36 AM
Ok.
I hope you won't be offended if I don't remember all of this. :)
 
моя брат - my brother
 
@rumtscho See- to me that sounds like gender confusion.
 
един мой брат - one of my brothers
една моя сестра - one of my sisters
моята сестра - my sister
probably a bad example here, the construction is different than in English
@Sobachatina I suspected this
The voice used in this video is terrible - overly pathetic.
 
That is interesting that you communicate "of" with an indefinite noun and not a preposition or case declension.
 
both is possible
we can also say един от моите братя
the more direct translation of един мой брат is probably a brother of mine
I found it
This poem starts at 5:30 or around there
No, 5:26
I don't like his reciting style, but there seems to be no other
 
12:45 AM
Very dramatic.
But that's ok- poetry readings tend to be overly dramatic.
I was very close.
A couple words have the accent on an unexpected syllable- like пробуждайте.
In Russian the accent would be on the 'a'.
Also- apparently you vocalize your unaccented vowels.
 
Yes, we do.
And we don't change the pronunciation of "o" when there is no accent
 
That's what I meant.
o and a.
It sounds lovely but I can see how if you did that it would sound odd in Russian.
I've spoken with people with strong Ukrainian accents who did that as well.
 
An example for reciting style - the same man reciting a Bulgarian translation of Shelley's Good night, compared to an Englishwoman reciting the original. Just listen to the tone.
 
Hmm- I think the second recitation is too halting and sterile.
Personally I would prefer somewhere between the two but if I had to choose I would rather listen to his.
He made the meter and the flow of the poem much more clear- even though I couldn't catch a single word.
 
I think that the words sound better in original anyway, so it wasn't the point to catch them
 
12:56 AM
True- I didn't mind.
I do think it's interesting that even though I can sometimes see the cognates when you write them out- I can't hear them at all apparently.
 
It is the same with me, I can understand 30% of written Dutch but 0% of spoken Dutch
I am translating another favorite poem of mine, wait a bit
 
I showed the first to my little brother and he liked it.
 
Тази вечер Витоша е тъй загадъчна и нежна –

като теменужен остров в лунносребърни води,

и над смътния й гребен, сякаш в болка безнадеждна,

се разтапят в тънка пара бледи есенни звезди.



И грамаден и задъхан, скрил в гранитната си пазва

хиляди души разбити – глъхне празничния град

и под лунно наметало с шепот странен той разказва

повестите безутешни на вседневен маскарад.



А из улицата шумна, под гирлянди електрични,

ето малката цветарка бърза от локал в локал,

де оркестрите разливат плавни звукове ритмични
Tonight Witosha is so mysterious and gentle -

like a violet island in moonsilvery waters

and above its vague crest, as if in pain hopeless

melt into thin vapor pale autumn stars.



And huge and breathless, hidden in his bosom of granite

thousand broken souls, grows fainter the festive city

and in the lunar mantle with a strange whisper he tells

the incolsolable stories of everyday masquerade.



In the noisy street, under the electric garlands,

Here the a small florist hurries from bar to bar
This is "Flower girl" by Smirnenski
Smirnenski was a communist from the beginning of the 20th century (actually the same time as Debelyanov), and you can see that there are more social problems in his lyrics
But I love especially the first verse
This is the recitation
 
1:16 AM
That is a much better performance.
The last lines were almost a sneer.
 
It is probably not the same person reading it - there just isn't any other performance for the first one
 
I can see why you like the first stanza- I think the second to the last appealed to me the most.
 
I don't know how much you got from the original, it suffers a lot in my (very direct) translation
 
I don't expect to hear the poetry in your translation- just understand the meaning.
 
OK, both the first and the second-to-last stanza are very descriptive, but I have an emotional connection to Witosha ;)
 
1:19 AM
A direct translation is easier to understand, in my opinion. I can see more of the nuanced meanings even if it isn't natural in English.
 
It is the mountain beside Sofia, it was the first thing I saw when I woke up every morning
 
Oh, that makes sense.
I didn't understand what Vitosha was.
You must be about to die from sleep deprivation.
If it is almost time for me to go to sleep then you should be getting up right about now.
 
No, I have a bad sleep pattern
 
College students.
 
It is (sadly) usual for me to be up at that time
 
1:23 AM
I'll have to hook up a mic and try reading some of your poetry- so you can laugh at me.
But it is time to go. Have a good night, or morning as the case may be.
 
good night
and I'd love to hear your reading
 
I'll give it a try- and hopefully the accent will sound more Russian than American- I would consider that a success.
 
 
7 hours later…
8:29 AM
@rfusca @derobert well, I've fed my starter twice and I'm already getting bubbles on the top (nothing at the sides), and the beginnings of a sour smell. According to my guide I shouldn't be seeing anything...
 
 
3 hours later…
11:03 AM
A question: what is the difference between being a community moderator and having access to moderator tools at 10000 rep?
 
 
3 hours later…
1:41 PM
@ElendilTheTall 10K users get an overview of what is there to be done for housekeeping on the site - a list of close votes, a list of low quality posts, a list of pending edits, etc.
A community moderator can act on flags, delete questions, answers and comments, ban users, delete/destroy/merge accounts, ping users who are not accessible in chat (because they never were in the room or because their name is unpingable), see other users' complete information (e-mail address and name), create system messages (like the one announcing the election right now). I think that's about it.
 
1:59 PM
Hmm, I've got another question.
The OP of the question about baking times, made a new tag 'bake'.
I wanted to 'merge' it with 'baking', but I can't.
I tried it with using the synonym thing. But I've never used it.
It says the tag 'bake' doesn't exist.
So by removing that tag from the question, did I remove the tag its existence?
(It was the only question with that tag)
But it still exists if you watch all the tags.
So I didn't need to retag that question I guess?
I'll try some things.
I'm messing things up :D
 
2:26 PM
Hmm, how often comes this in handy?
It's on sale in a local supermarket.
But I have no idea when I'll use it.
0.1 gram accuracy
I don't have a scale that goes below 1 gram
 
I wouldn't buy a 0.1 gram scale, for small amounts you need a 0.01 g accuracy (and these are not expensive, I got mine for around 10-12 Eur I think
 
Okay :)
It looks more handy that it will be, I think.
You mostly need it when using agar agar, xanthum etc. and i don't even know where to get those here at a reasonable price.
 
2:55 PM
good morning all
 
hi @tastefive
how are you?
 
good, just really tired
 
Not much sleep?
So, do you already know what you'll be making with the kids?
 
nope, had that wedding this week, the one were I was photographer/food. it was a beating.
 
Ah yes :) How did that turn out? What did you make?
 
2:58 PM
@Mien I have an idea, but I haven't tested the recipes out yet
 
And it was for 75 ppl?
 
@Mien turned out good. I didn't have to make anything since they went with a chocolate fountain because it was a late wedding. I just had to do a lot of prep work (cutting, etc.) Final number was only 50 people
 
Ah okay, so it was very doable :)
 
No cake after all?
 
@Mien yep, but the whole wedding was kind of a mess. No planning was done before hand.
 
3:00 PM
Yeah, but they got wed very fast, no?
 
@rumtscho there was a cake but i didn't have to do it.
 
2 months?
 
@Mien about 2 months
 
Crazy.
 
Why is this fast?
 
3:01 PM
my wife and I did it in 3 pretty easily
 
I mean, how long is usual for wedding planning?
 
@rumtscho It seems most the people i know have about a 1 year engagement. But you can do it faster no problem
 
@tastefive I thought you meant the planning phase was so fast, not the engagement.
 
hmm, i guess I consider the engagemet/planning phase the same thing
 
Jay
wth is wrong with me. Why am i always hungry ><
 
3:04 PM
@Jay you don't recognize the difference between "not stuffed any longer" and "hungry"?
@tastefive as a native speaker, does the question "How to make congee?" sound strange or ungrammatical to you?
 
@rumtscho First of all, a lot of places where you can have parties are occupied two months in advance. Secondly, a lot of people can have plans in two months.
Thirdly, why would you want to rush it?
 
the other small detail that wasn't planned completely, was what does the bride and groom do after the wedding. Honeymoon, were will they live? So we took them back with us. We are now +1 married couple at our house.
 
There is a new user who has suggested to change the title to "How is congee made?" and no other changes, and I don't think there is sense in accepting it, unless the original is really wrong
 
@rumtscho it sounds a little strange to me yes.
 
@tastefive How did they live before the wedding?
 
3:08 PM
@Mien "Rush"? If it is so complex and big that two months is a rush, it is probably too pompously planned.
@tastefive I hope you have a big house
 
@Mien He is in the coast guard lived in barracks. She lived with parents.
 
@rumtscho Well, you can't plan it non-stop. You have to work during the day...
 
I wouldn't want to spend my honeymoon on somebody's couch
 
@tastefive Now he's not in the coast guard anymore?
That's odd.
 
@Mien So they both are here till he goes back to the coast guard, but she has to stay until they can get military housing, which is based on availability and there is a wait list. In the meantime she will stay with us.
 
3:10 PM
@Mien sure, but I have planned a ten-day-vacation abroad in two evenings, 60 evenings for a party sounds like plenty.
@tastefive Her parents threw her out because she married him? Or why can't she live with them again?
 
@rumtscho I have no idea, I never organized my wedding.
@rumtscho I find it strange as well.
 
@rumtscho Well, it is a long story, it rolls down to this. She needs to start to learn hoe to ask herself questions to plan for the future. Her parents are also not equipped with guiding her through the process of defining and coming up with solutions.
She needs to get a job and a license. Her parents will not, take her anywhere to look for a job, nor are they willing to teach her to drive. They live in a small town with only a couple places to even get a job. We live in a bigger city with much more opportunity.
It is a very sad situation.
 
@tastefive OK, I forgot about all the cultural differences
I used to be as non-self-reliant as she is now, but I knew that I am not mature enough to make a decision like marriage back then, so I probably automatically assumed that she is through with university, has a job, plans for life, etc., without thinking that other people do it the other way round.
 
@rumtscho She went into the military, but the military discharged her early because they basically found that she had some emotional and social problems that needed to be worked out.
Her family just isn't providing her with the opportunities to seek help for these issues, they just married her off and washed their hands.
 
@tastefive I hope it turns to the better for her, with marriage etc. She is lucky to have you and your wife to support her, I don't know if I would have done that much for a distant relative (would depend on the details I guess)
 
3:23 PM
@rumtscho Thanks I just hope we can help get them on their feet. There is alot of work to be done.
So what has been new here since I have been away.
 
We are in the middle of election fever
It is the first time I am running for any kind of elected position in my life - I haven't even been a class speaker or similar
 
@rumtscho thats right
 
And I had my first political debate as a participant yesterday evening
 
maybe I should go vote
 
It was exhausting. Interesting, but very intense. I had no time to think about answers, I just had to type the first thing I thought of.
I didn't even re-read it before I hit enter. Probably not the best strategy for an official debate.
 
3:32 PM
there was a town hall, sweet
to bad I missed it
 
There is a digest to read,
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Q: 2012 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat Digest

Tim StoneThe following is a "digest" version of the 2012 Moderator Election Town Hall Chat. The format, as described on Meta Stack Overflow, is one answer to this question for every question asked in the Town Hall, containing all the candidate's answers to that question. To view the digest chronologicall...

Live is of course more interesting, you could have asked questions too then.
 
cool
 
I just saw it, the engine throws the answers into the wrong order. But I guess it isn't that important, there were only one or two followup questions at all.
 
Jay
three-day weekends = good start to a week
 
@tastefive how old is she that she doesn't know how to drive?
@rumtscho they said order by oldest to see in order
 
3:40 PM
@rfusca 20
 
Jay
@tastefive quite young to get married
 
@rumtscho rather, they said that on the photo one
@tastefive unusual in this day in the US to not drive by 20
very kind of you to take them in
 
Jay
@rfusca I have several friends who cant drive... but they grew up in the city so they never needed to
 
i guess that makes sense
 
Maybe we can make a voting collusion for the digest to order the answers right and leave a comment for the others to not vote afterwards
Hmm, 15 questions. We don't have 14 people here. Maybe we can consolidate with the photo chat people for the purpose, and then do the same for them.
What I don't like about this solution is that, as soon as a clueless reader decides to vote, everything gets scrambled again
Also, it abuses the system.
 
3:59 PM
mornin'
 
@rumtscho you can order the questions, not by votes you know...
 
@rfusca by what?
How can I order the answers to a question? I thought it was automatically ordered by votes, always
I know I can order the questions in the question list by other attributes
 
@rumtscho look to the upper right corner above the first answer
it says 'active oldest votes' and votes is highlighted for you
 
@rfusca OK - looks like I was too quick to make assumptions this time
Rofl
A user edited his answer to acknowledge a comment I left, and gave me credit
He wrote my nick as "Rumstacio"
 
lol
 
4:12 PM
OK, not everybody can read German-rules transliterated Bulgarian, but this sounds very funny
I think what I associate it most with is Rum-Mustache-Pistacio.
 
lol
 
4:35 PM
Did you notice the star list order today?
 
lol
 
it doesn't look like that to me
 
mine has @rfusca right before Mien's comment
 
after the 'on the bed' comment, I get my gravy comment
 
I don't know how they are ordered
I don't see any gravy in my list
 
4:37 PM
I think it's based on screen size and age
who knows
 
No, I change screen size often and the list doesn't change
Sometimes it is truncated, when I make the window smaller, like 800x600
Oh noes
My teammate is citing Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
It is in a scientific article for publishing in a journal on medical information systems.
 
@rumtscho lol awesome
 
@rfusca It is awesome that we get a publication, but not that we have pop nonfiction citations.
 
@rumtscho hehe
hmm, i think i'm gonna have a taco salad for lunch
 
Back.
 
4:48 PM
I get to pull down 35 GB on a 2 Mbps connection today :(
 
@hobodave sounds like you get lots of free time today.
 
I wish
my boss knows this requires minimal attention from me
 
@hobodave just explain that you need to manually inspect the packets to ensure a valid transfer
 
lol
I did actually make a mistake that I hope doesn't bite me in the ass
 
@rfusca I would rather have a boss who is technically literate than one who believes this, even if it reduces my potential for getting me some free time
@hobodave come on, confess it to mama. what did you do?
 
4:52 PM
@rumtscho i've never had a technically competent boss, so i just don't know what its like
 
I'm an hour into doing a full db backup on the remote system right now. I forgot to start the backup inside screen. So if my SSH connection dies, then I have to start over. :(
 
@hobodave 2MB/s isn't that slow, according to our standards
Belgian internet sucks.
 
my current boss is forcing me to rewrite stuff because he's convinced that Oracle treats IN() with a single element in the list differently than = :( (It doesn't and I've even shown him the explain plans as such)
@hobodave that sucks
how long is it expected to take
 
Btw, @rumtscho do you have an idea how much macadamia nuts cost in Germany?
I just bought 250 g for 5.xx euro :-/
 
@Mien little b
 
4:56 PM
woohoo, i made 5 bucks on a referral for e-meals
 
Too late to edit.
 
@rfusca Sounds like a bad situation. One of the things I love most about my boss is that she isn't afraid to confess that she doesn't know something. She isn't terribly good in technical stuff, but she trusts us to do it right.
 
@Mien you meant bits? That's fast for you?
we have DSL faster than this now
and we pay like $300/mo. for this
@rfusca dunno, I haven't used this backup script in ages
 
@hobodave Well, that's also way too much. :p
 
@rumtscho ya, it just means I end up pointlessly rewriting things
A LOT
 
4:57 PM
@Mien They are expensive here, but not as much. I pay something more than 2.50 EUR for a pack, but don't know how much there are in the pack, probably 150 or 180 g.
 
We have traffic limits.
The pack I have now gives me 50 or 75 GB per month.
 
@Mien yea yo uhave consumer internet, this is a partial DS3
business class whatever that means, and thus business rates
 
Yes I know.
 
at home I pay like $30 for 15 Mbps
 
These are salted & roasted nuts, I haven't found any others :(
 
4:59 PM
Or at least, I assumed so.
@hobodave But you can download as much as you want?
@rumtscho Yeah, mine too :(
 
@Mien yes, and it's synchronous and guaranteed 2Mbps
and if it breaks it would likely be fixed within 2 hours unless some idiot ran his car into a box outside or something
 
We can choose between fast internet, a lot of internet, or both but very expensive internet
 
Deutsche Telekom just started building a VDSL network last year. The price is high, maybe Eur 60 per month, but the people who get it, get 25 Mbit up and 50 Mbit down.
 
I have vdsl2.
 
@Mien yes, with your density, it is probably easy for you to get it.
 
5:02 PM
 
Here, it is only available in some big cities.
 
It's only a year or so that we have vdsl2 though.
And not available in a lot of the suburban areas.
 
This doesn't look like vdsl
are you sure they don't use the acronym for something else?
10:1 up to down looks like an ADSL ratio to me.
 
 
Jay
@Mien That's not very much...
 
5:10 PM
This is more expensive (of a friend)
Yes, I said so, Belgian internet sucks.
You don't want to know our mobile internet.
even worse
 
Jay
Lol Im sorry
 
Yes, I think you can't get 48Mbit down with ADSL, but they must be crippling the uplink
 
Jay
I think my internets limit is like 500gb/month before it starts to slow down a little
 
Western Europe is very bad with Internet, the infrastructure here got built expensively by big telcos with technologies which are now obsolete, but it is too expensive for them to invest in new networks
Bulgaria has much better Internet at much lower prices, because small companies started private LANs and even laid some optics quite close to individual buildings, and later the LANs consolidated, using quality network cables, not old phone lines.
I wonder if Germany will be able to leapfrog when a Fiber to the home network gets built, but the Telekom is very slow to build it.
 

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