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12:10 AM
Any advice for a total newb making potato wedges for the first time?
 
12:22 AM
@Trufa hmmm in regards to what really?
 
Well, I'm not really sure which recipe to follow, the main issue I'm having is wether the potatoes should be cooked or not when getting into the oven
what would the difference be
@rfusca now that I remember, you've already helped me with my megapixels
now you are helping me with my potato wedges
you are a very resourceful man :)
 
lol
so you're wondering whether to precook your potatoes before the oven?
 
@Trufa what are the wedges going with
 
hamburgers
 
@Trufa not that it matter for precook or not, now that i see that is your main question
 
12:34 AM
@TasteFive hehe
 
I would tend to do the whole thing in the oven
 
@TasteFive without boiling them before?
 
@Trufa yeah I wouldn't boil first. But that is just me. It isn't a hard fast rule or anything
 
@TasteFive Interesting, do you know what would the difference be in the final result
 
not sure how @rfusca feel about it
 
12:38 AM
@rfusca I missed that for some reason, that is exactly what I'm wondering
what would the difference be.
 
well, I just know that in our cooking school people tend to over cook potato when trying to boils and par-cook them first. They get to soft, waterlogged and mushy.
I for some reason also missed what @rfusca said on the matter
 
sorry, i'm busy with work - its a release night
but i agree there
no boil first
 
@rfusca ah i thought you posted somthing already I just missed it
@rfusca what do you do?
 
His profile:
 
@TasteFive software developer
 
12:42 AM
I work for a large, international logistics firm. Currently I focus mainly rail logistics involving real time reporting of rail statuses with ad hoc user generated queries and data warehousing of operational metrics to drive up internal efficiency. I'm proficient in MySQL (although I don't prefer it), Postgresql, Oracle, PHP, and C#.
 
Nice, I own a small MSP. but I at making the move to full time chef and opening a catering service or restaurant.
 
@TasteFive nice!
 
@TasteFive nice
 
so thanks @rfusca and @TasteFive I will try now to do somw wedges
 
i got waaaaay too much debt to do that
@Trufa cool :)
 
12:45 AM
I wont boil them first
I'll share the results later
 
cool
@rfusca yeah it will probably still be a while. First step though is selling off my current client tell. Going back to work for a company and having a more normal work week. Save money, and do the blog, and meat as many more chefs as I can to get my name out there. Then once I have the money take the big leap.
 
@TasteFive well at least you have a plan
 
Anyway, I am out. Going to get something to eat. Have fun with the cheese dip. It got me thinking about a recipe i haven't done in a while for chili con queso. Might be my next blog post. I will just depend on if I can get the time to make a batch of chili.
 
@TasteFive already ate :)
 
See you around
 
12:52 AM
ciao
 
 
2 hours later…
3:18 AM
@rfusca how's the release going
BTW, the wedges, awesome!
 
@Trufa releasey like lol
awesome!
what'd you do to them, spicewise?
 
Bare in mind, this must be the 4th thing Ive cooked in my life :)
hehe
Some curry, pepper, salt and ajil
that would be ajo y perejil
I'm not remembering the words in english
oh garlic
oohh yeah
parsley
 
lol
cool :)
 
any reccomendation for next time?
I was like literally an hour making frying them, is that normal?
(it was worth it though)
 
'an hour making frying them' - i'm not sure I understand
 
3:24 AM
literlly, I don't think it is called frying though
I did the with little oil, like a layer
in a frying pan
with very low fire
and it took forever
 
pan fry
but you would normally use higher heat
 
@rfusca hmm but how do you do to assure they get cooked inside
?
 
@Trufa i thought you said you were doing them in the oven?
 
@rfusca no :)
I just peeled the and started to pan fry them
 
3 hours ago, by Trufa
Well, I'm not really sure which recipe to follow, the main issue I'm having is wether the potatoes should be cooked or not when getting into the oven
 
3:31 AM
@rfusca ohhh
hahahah
stupid me
I wasn't paying attention!
Sorry about that!
Would it have made a difference?
 
well, pan frying probably tastes a lil' better but its much more work to cook a thick potato on the stove, the oven is easier
I'd turn the heat up on the stove, pan fry them for a minute or two till the outside looks good and then put them all in the oven
 
Interesting
yes, thats why It took so long I guess
they were quite think
so I had to do it with very very low fire
 
ya
 
 
9 hours later…
12:39 PM
Hello
 
 
2 hours later…
3:06 PM
bongiorno
 
hi @TasteFive
how are you?
 
@Mien doing good and you
 
fine fine :)
I made (and decorated) cupcakes and I made a Scandinavian cake
In an hour, my friends will be here to eat lasagna ;)
and then we're going out
how about you? any plans?
 
Yeah, I am getting ready to head out to taste of Keller
its a festival were the local restuarants try to show off there stuff.
 
ah sounds fun
 
3:18 PM
i found an old blog post of a lasagna i made. texanwilliams.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html
it wasn't my first lasagna. but the first i made in texas and for my wife
 
hello
@Mien cupcakes went ...*well*? ;) ;)
 
hows it going.
 
eh, i'm on call :(
 
ha, I am always on call it seems. It gets taxing
 
ya
 
3:26 PM
but I still get the opportunity to unglue myself from my desk
 
well it just sucks because they have me do stupid stuff
 
and I don't take clients any more that are open on weekends and have weird operating hours.
did you make your release last night
 
ya, all my parts went off without a hitch
 
nice. You might have said already but what type of development are you doing. Java, Ruby, C#, etc.
 
@TasteFive mostly sql stuff, postgres and oracle dev
 
3:33 PM
cool
 
it'd be nicer if it was just postgres
 
hello
 
ha
@rumtscho hello
 
DRUGS!
 
@rumtscho hola
 
3:35 PM
@Mien, are you here?
 
she's got dinner guests showing up any minute
 
Oh.
I wanted so much to brag a bit
 
?
 
I made Hippenmasse for the first time
turned out just as I wanted it
 
@TasteFive what kind of work do you do again?
 
3:36 PM
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@rumtscho awesome!
NICE
what recipe?
 
I thought she might like to know
 
@rumtscho nice
 
@rfusca Yes, everybody kept their clothes on
@rumtscho I am now
 
wait to find the link, have the recipe open on the other computer and ff is slow with syncing
 
3:37 PM
@Mien so it was a boring class then?
 
When you scroll down, there are recipes. i used the first one.
 
@rfusca I like the elephant! :D
 
@rfusca: I'm sympathetic to your desire to leave the meta question open-ended, but since you did answer it it would be nice if you were a bit more specific about your criteria for judging such questions.
 
@rumtscho :D nice!
 
@rumtscho good to know, i looked at that site
 
3:39 PM
Right now, all I'm getting is "stuff that makes folk uncomfortable should be forbidden" which is... dangerous.
 
next time I'll make them with butter instead of milk
@rfusca No it was fun actually
searches pic
 
@Shog9 agreed, to a certain degree..i posted a comment to yossarian along the lines. Its a discussion, its not like 'this is what I think and I'm unwilling to change or add'
@Mien good (i was just messing with ya ;) ) i'm glad you enjoyed
 
@Shog9, SE has already shown little tolerance for less problematic stuff
 
i love the classes I get take around here
 
@rfusca You can mess with me all you want ;)
 
3:41 PM
@rfusca where do you take your classes
 
@rumtscho Example?
 
The "dirty jokes" drama on English Language
 
@Mien nive job
nive - nice
 
@TasteFive there's a public program that works with a local farmer's market and once a month a local chef will head to the market, pick out ingredients and teach a class using those, it's like 10 bucks - so it fills up fast
 
3:42 PM
ty @TasteFive
 
@rumtscho heh... the "joke questions" thing predates ELU
(boat programming)
 
@Mien very nice!
 
@Shog9 I don't mean questions intended as a joke, like the boat programming
 
I really like the last pic @TasteFive (from your lasagna)
@rfusca thx
 
@rfusca nice. do you now if it is through slow food. Our chapter does that here. Hoping to get involved with it myself
 
3:44 PM
They had some non-native speakers asking the site to explain dirty jokes to them
 
i don't think its affiliated with anybody, its the city that does it
 
@Mien ha, tnaks
 
And Jeff unilaterally changed the site's faq to forbid this
 
@rumtscho You meant questions on jokes? "Djibouti" is still open on ELU...
 
upon which the whole community jumped up.
 
3:45 PM
there's another more formal course taught by this chef..but its more $$ (not INSANE, just more), so i've not had a chance yet to do it
 
I'm not eve sure if they ever resolved it
but Jeff's postition was that even after a compromise is reached, there should be no way that a question title containing words like "boobs" may be shown on the multicollider
 
@rumtscho AFAIK (and there's a real limit to how much I understand ELU's culture), the problem was with pure, "explain humor to me" questions.
 
So I don't want to know how he will react if there is a question called "explain me how to bake pot cookies" on the first place in the multicollider
 
ya...
thats kinda my position
 
and I am quite sure that if that question gets asked, it will get enough views to land there.
 
3:48 PM
@rumtscho I suspect it will depend a great deal on the underlying quality of the question... and especially, the answers
 
it'll get loads of views regardless
 
I've been doing a bit of research; here in Colorado, "edible" products are rather a big deal - you can find restaurants in Denver that serve nothing but.
 
@Shog9 because they make money
 
@Shog9 That's just the point. When the heat of the argument subsided somewhat, Jeff conceded that the EL&U people are able to handle boob jokes questions in a serious way, giving scholarly answers to them, and that he does not mind them keeping the questions on the site.
But his idea of compromise was to ask the mods to censor the titles, so nobody on the other sites sees them on the multicollider
 
@rumtscho Which makes me a bit irritated that the question that touched this off on Cooking was of such poor quality
 
3:50 PM
@Shog9 Yes, sure. But we should have a policy for handling such questions even if somebody asks a high quality one.
 
@rumtscho Which is why I edited it.
(and am spending a Saturday poking the embers)
If there's a universal loathing on SA for the topic, there's no point in trying to force it - but there needs to be clear delineation between what's allowed and what isn't.
 
btw, is un-pasteurized cheese illegal in the US? :-/
 
@Mien it's complicated.
AFAIK, it can be imported under certain situations, but I'm not too familiar with it
 
anyway, I'm off
have fun everybody :)
 
Laws on selling unpasteurized milk vary state-by-state; in some places, you effectively have to buy a cow to get the milk.
 
3:58 PM
@Mien not illigal
 
@Shog9 yup, cow co-ops lol
 
ah, apparently you can sell cheese if it's been aged 60 days
 
@Mien unless its in reference to somthing diferent than what I am thinking
@Shog9 correct, needs to be over 60 days aged so the acid is high enough to kill certain bacteria
@Shog9 almost all good cheese is made from unpasturized milk these days, at least all the artisan chesses that I know of
 
The intersection of Federal and state law in these cases creates some confusion, since FDA regulations don't necessarily apply if you're just selling locally
 
@Shog9 true
 
4:01 PM
(which of course is also the case for cannabis, except the DEA has its fingers in everything)
 
@Shog9 its king of the same but not exactly, as cannabis is a federally banned substance. fifferent from the regulation on production to market requirement
 
So my folks (who run a dairy farm in Minnesota) are exceedingly reluctant to sell raw milk to anyone; legally, they can do so only if folks buy it on the farm, don't do so often, and it isn't advertised.
Here in Colorado, I believe you have to do the cow-share thing
But in some places, it can actually be sold on supermarket shelves
 
@Shog9 my only thing on the cannabis debate would be that I would vote that the title of the question would have to not contain the word. and the overall question posed would have to contain culinary value. Which unfortunately is very hard to define.
 
@TasteFive Right, but I mean the state law directly conflicts with federal law.
 
@Shog9 yes states have the right to enforce stricter requirements
@Shog9 It will get better with education.
at least for your parents and the raw milk thing
 
4:07 PM
@TasteFive Well, hard to say. They're not particularly even interested in selling it, but folks will show up looking to buy, and... Puts them in an uncomfortable situation.
 
@Shog9 ah, i see
 
Would actually be easier without the advertising thing, since farms that wanted to sell that way could connect with customers.
Of course, that opens up another can of worms
@TasteFive Well, there's this Meta question if you want to try defining it anyway...
;-)
 
That's probably just the sue-happy culture you have over there.
Here in Europe, if a farm sells raw milk to somebody while making it clear that it's on their own risk, they can do it.
 
@Shog9 yeah , although i find it wierd that people show up to your parents farm to buy it even if they don't advertise they cary or sell it
@rumtscho agreed
raw milk here is also supposed to have to be inspected before sale. And the fact of the matter is the requirement are such that the raw milk must contain a lower bacteria count that pasterized milk in order to be sold.
 
@TasteFive They sell produce locally (at farmer's markets, etc.), so a lot of people know of them. And there's no problem with folks coming out to buy, say, apples or raspberries fresh.
 
4:11 PM
lol, in my state, apparently you can only sell raw goat milk, straight from farm to consumer
 
@Shog9 right
 
I'm actually irked that there are no milk farms around, so I can't get raw milk. In milk producing regions, they even deliver raw milk to selected supermarkets.
 
@rumtscho were are you at?
 
@TasteFive Heidelberg, Germany. Nearest raw milk farm seems to be on the other side of Stuttgart.
So that's maybe 250 km.
 
@rumtscho bummer
 
4:19 PM
Lol, after 5 times trying I noticed that I can't pull a tab from firefox into a chrome window.
 
@rumtscho Ha
 
lol
 
4:34 PM
@Shog9 - i amended my meta answer somewhat based on discussion here
 
@rfusca Very good, thank you.
 
@rfusca cool, voted for it. Even though you know the reason why they are really asking most likley has to do with your second point :)
The question is not about the 'effect' that the drug produces - how to keep it, enhance it, change it, etc
Anyway, I am off guys. Got to head out to Taste of Keller.
 
seriously....all this crap about people doing it for medicinal effect. Nobody asks how to bake Tylenol into brownies or butter
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I debated editing that right out of the question... The guy's trying to keep his butter from spoiling.
 
@rfusca exactly
 
4:41 PM
@TasteFive ciao, enjoy
@Shog9 exactly. and that is perfectly fine
 
@Shog9 that is how I feel it doesn't really need to be discussed at all
 
@Shog9 Pure butter never molds in the fridge.
 
@rfusca That's because Tylenol is already in everything ;-P
@rumtscho Editing out the "medicinal effect" bit, not the "cannabis" bit.
Obviously, that's relevant
 
@Shog9 From his point of view, the cannabis effect is probably more relevant than the bits of mold.
 
@rumtscho I doubt it. Folks who just want caffeine take pills. Folks who drink coffee tend to actually like coffee.
(excluding here the "i'm tired and the only caffeine available is coffee" crowd)
 
4:45 PM
@Shog9 I've seen lots of people who hate coffee but would never switch to caffeine pills. They smother it in milk and sugar and gulp it quickly.
 
@rumtscho That's very sad.
 
And I don't mean that they care about a good cappuccino, they just dump stuff in to soften the caffee taste.
 
Do they also go on cooking sites and ask questions about how to best store the coffee they'll never taste?
 
I hope they don't. I'd hate to spend an hour producing a 3000 words quality answer on a question asked by a Banause who won't even notice the difference between fresh and stale coffee.
 
That's where I think it has to come down to, "is the question asked in good faith?"
 
4:49 PM
(Google gives "philistine" as the best translation for Banause, but I'm not sure this covers the meaning very well here).
 
it makes sense in the context you used it
(while Banause does nothing for me)
 
yup, philistine is good there
 
(ask on GermanL&U.SE)
 
I thought that "philistine" had more the meaning of "a person with common, vulgar tastes"
But OK, maybe it's close enough and I'm nitpicking here.
 
well, it does, but...
 
4:51 PM
does that not apply in your sentence?
 
it's almost like militantly vulgar
A philistine isn't content with just being uncultured. He must also destroy culture when he encounters it.
 
I see it more like... a philistine would prefer stale coffee over fresh coffee, a Banause wouldn't accept the fact that there is a difference even if somebody told him.
So the banause is something like a negative snob.
 
hmm
a subtle language diff that i'm not sure if we have the equivalent for
 
the closest word I can think of would be animal... cow, sheep, "sheeple" (shudder)
 
lol
 
5:05 PM
OK, maybe next time I should formulate it as "I wouldn't want to write a good answer for such a [insert your favourite mild insult here]".
 
This is what makes answering on SO so interesting... Am I gonna spend half an hour pouring out details for someone who's just looking to have work done for him, or is this an ESL situation where what appears to be a troglodyte is simply missing the subtleties of polite English conversation.
Hmm... "troglodyte" might also have worked in your phrase.
 
Don't forget all the gruff nerds who miss the subtleties despite having English as first (sometimes only) language.
"plank" would have worked there. As I said, insert favourite mild insult.
 
Yeah... English as a "first but long-forgotten" language.
 
OK, maybe "plank" wouldn't have worked in English. I don't know if you use it.
 
I don't, but it doesn't sound unfamiliar.
 
5:26 PM
I am just making an ass out of myself.
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If the original solution worked for 12 people, then I must be missing some embarrassingly obvious detail.
 
Might want to include a couple brief details about your router.
 
Do you think it's relevant? It's one of the standard DSL/router combos sold by Internet providers, of the plug-and-play type.
I doubt very much that I could have misconfigured it, because I haven't configured much in the first place.
Besides, if bradbury resolves clarke's host name, there shouldn't be any barrier to hostname resolving in the network itself.
 
I do think it's relevant, but then again, I don't know the answer.
As you said, the simple answer worked for at least 12 people... What do you think the chances are that 12 people aren't using your particular DSL/router combos.
 
This discussion about drug questions is reminiscent of the ancient meta questions we had about horse/dog/cannibalism questions.
 
snicker
I was gonna compare it to the "drinks" series
Since, AFAIK, folks actually took that one semi-seriously
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Q: Horse / dog / pet preparation questions

KnivesI thought this showed up as one of the example questions during the proposal phase, but can't recall the outcome (if there was one): is meat from animals Americans keep as pets considered "food" for the purposes of this site, assuming it's commonly consumed somewhere?

 
5:38 PM
It's a toss-up for me. The underlying question in both of my examples is the same one: Should we have questions about topics that might offend certain people? Well, yeah.
At least in Canada, something like 15% of of the population uses or has used cannabis. I think you have to look at the statistics. If it's truly fringe and would offend the majority of people then maybe we shouldn't have it. I don't think weed fits the bill.
(and yes, that's actually a fact, I didn't just make up the statistic)
 
if 15% have....then 85% havent...thats a pretty clear majority
 
@rfusca That doesn't mean that 85% are offended. Just means they don't use it.
There's a % of people that don't drink, either.
 
it doesn't mean they don't care either, you're automatically assuming they don't care. for all you know they could all be vehemently against it, or half, or none...that stat means nothing combined with your sentence
 
Doesn't really matter. Even 85% doesn't meet the bar, to me. Cannibalism is almost never practiced and offense to just about everybody. That's the kind of thing you'd put a taboo on. If 5% or 10% or 15% of the population are fine with it, that's more than enough.
Think of it this way: Should homosexuality be off-topic on a site about sex? That's about 10% of the population. A lot of people are still upset by it.
Yes, it's true that you might offend a lot of people, but to censor it is to step out of the realm of Q&A and into the realm of political activism.
I do agree that it should be tasteful. Questions about alcohol should be about the culinary uses of alcohol, and not how best to prepare it so you get really shit-faced.
 
but its a site about sex and thats sexual. This is a site about cooking and to me the drug aspect of the questions isn't relevant to the cooking aspect
 
5:46 PM
Think of it in another way: there are societies around the world where at least 10% of the population condemns the sexual abuse of children. Does it mean you could use this as a reason to discuss it on a site mainly visited by westerners?
 
@rumtscho Did you mean to say "condones"?
 
@Aaronut There are lots of societies where it is expected from fathers to marry off their daughters before they turn 15.
 
@rfusca Right, I agree with you there, if the primary focus of the question is simply getting high and the question is barely about cooking, then it should be closed as off-topic. Not because it's about drugs, but because it's off-topic. Same as the nutritional "Is X good for me?" questions.
 
PLEASE, WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
 
Not only the taliban do that, the gipsies in Bulgaria do that.
and this is EU.
I don't want to say that "think of the children" is the same problem as somebody peacefully eating pot cookies, just that your argument isn't watertight.
 
5:49 PM
@rumtscho I still don't understand your question. I don't think you meant to use the word "condemns". Assuming you actually meant "condones", I think you're talking about a fringe. Sure, there are some countries where the statistic is as high as 10%. In most countries it is approximately 0%.
 
Yes, sorry. I didn't see my typo until later.
 
We're talking about social norms, here. If people can make movies about it and not run into any trouble with the authorities, it can't be that taboo.
I don't see a whole lot of movies casting child abuse in a positive light.
 
To use a SO example... Folks post questions about doing dodgy stuff now and then: reverse-engineering, or overriding built-in protections on a library (to cite a question that was flagged yesterday). That doesn't necessarily make them off-topic - although they may get down-voted pretty heavily if not asked carefully.
 
So, the policy is "we take the is OK with it rate of each country around the world, and if it is above a certain limit in most of the countries, it is OK here"?
My first question to that would be, why group the data by country.
 
@rumtscho Most legal entities around the world use the "reasonable person" test.
 
5:57 PM
But OK, I guess that if you calculated the "is OK with" rate for the whole world population, you'd still have below 5% for child abuse and cannibalism, above 5% for drugs and pork.
Although, I don't know. Surely above 5% for cannabis, but maybe less than that for hard drugs. I don't know the statistics.
 
The first, most important test is whether or not the question is actually acceptable based on existing guidelines. In the specific case of the pot question that started all of this, it really wasn't.
 
realize also, canada leads the world in being pro-pot
 
To me the issue isn't "is weed on-topic here". It's a plant, like any other. The question is, "is weed such an explosive subject that we can't allow questions about it, even if it is on topic?" That implies a fairly high bar.
 
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