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Q: Does Kabbalah really teach this?

wmasseIsrael Shahak in his book Jewish History, Jewish Religion: the Weight of Three Thousand Years claims that the majority of Orthodox Jews believe the following quotation. He does not give sources for any of these claims. Is this actually true? Is this only believed by Hasidic Jews? Is this what...

Never heard such a distorted explanation of chassidus and Kabbalah before in my life!!
The inclusion of Satan appears to be a Christian infusion
Pure claptrap, like the rest of Shahak's book.
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No one believes any of that.
He was a kopher self hating Jew. Why would you believe anything he said?
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Besides the weird stuff, the idea that the Sefiros are multiple deities is a critique of Kabbala discussed (and defended against) in the Responsa of the Rivash sefaria.org/Teshuvot_HaRivash.157
@user6591 And a self-admitted liar, to boot.
The main context this is lacking is the explanations of the Kabbalists regarding the unity of God, and their endless warnings against neophytes misinterpreting the goings on in upper realms.
@Dr.Shmuel I would say that you are being too kind. It's impossible for me to read the above without presuming deliberate misunderstanding (and misleading) of the author
Wow. That quote is an absolute mess. What a bastardization of concepts.
Simply in terms of the logical argument, “Orthodox Jews” are and have always been a diverse group. To say the majority of this diverse group believe:… and then list an encyclopedia of wide-ranging ideas, is meaningless. Regarding your general question, no, Kabbalah does not teach what appears in your quote. In general, Chassidic Jews do not believe those ideas as presented. What Shahak is doing is presenting excerpts out of context to misrepresent the contextual message. But for those who are upset, remember, G-d sent this Jew too, and gave him a loudspeaker to be heard. Our job is to love him
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@YaacovDeane My rabbi would disagree with you. There are Jews who fall outside of עמיתך. I don't know if this author does, but if he does we have no obligation to love him in any capacity.
@Yehuda Your Rabbi is entitled to his belief and if he is "your Rabbi", you should listen to what he is teaching you. The Alter Rebbe says differently. It's really not about the individual (Shahak), it's about the idea that G-d is one. There is no other, (that is) apart from Him. This is the subject of chapter 32 in section Likkutei Amarim of the Tanya.
@YaacovDeane That said, the Alter Rebbe does conclude that chapter: As for the statement by King David, peace upon him: “I hate them with a consummate hatred,”1 reserving no love for them whatsoever; this refers only to [Jewish] heretics and atheists who have no part in the G‑d of Israel, as stated in the Talmud, beginning of ch. 16 of Tractate Shabbat. Arguably Shahak belongs in that category.
@Meir On that subject, you should look at what the Rebbe says about the subject of Apikorsim in these generations, meaning over the Rebbe's lifetime which coincided with the lifetime of Shahak. Essentially, the Rebbe says Apikorsim no longer exist in our time. That the very lowest individuals that you can conceive of today, simply don't measure up intellectually to what actual Apikorsim were in the time of the Talmud. They are too ignorant and therefore are excluded from that category.
@YaacovDeane Here it's not a matter of an apikores, but of a moser. How much anti-Semitism has been stoked, and continues to be, by Shahak's writings?
@Meir It changes nothing. But if you had a Din of Moser, meaning with witnesses and a valid Beit Din that was empowered to hear capital cases, then it would have been relevant. But he is long gone and there was no such court or case. That means how do we relate to him today? In that context, look to Pesikta Rabbati and what Moshiach says to G-d when he accepts the job to be Moshiach. No Jew gets excluded.
@Meir It’s interesting that he received his early religious education at the same place as Rabbi Shlomo Goren, Kfar Chassidim in northern Israel.
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Most of these concepts do have a basis in Kabbalistic thought, though those immersed in its world would reject this uncharitably crass and polemically driven characterization. As for "the majority of Orthodox Jews"... the majority are, as they say, poshiter yidden (simple/earnest-minded Jews), with uncomplicated beliefs, believing sincerely in the oneness of God. This is altogether alien to the minds of the majority of Orthodox Jews.
 
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@YaacovDeane (first comment): not so; the dinim of a moser apply even in the absence of a beis din that can judge capital cases. Look in Choshen Mishpat 388. And (second comment): that makes it all the worse, that he actually received a proper Jewish education and still became what he did.

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