@packs Heh - Frequently Attacked Wildebeest...(long story. Ask @AviD :-)

There's no 'W' in aardvark.

Although.... Hey @AviD! Is aardvark kosher?

@itsnotvalid I don't know about ^those^ guys, but I'll allow it.

@nealmcb Yeah, people talk about how it's this great impossible feat to do. The Interwebs will route around the problem! they say.

At my work we do that kind of thing all the time.

It's kind of hard to route around something when you don't get routed :)

@packs Well - it could be the govt wins the battle but the most determined people quietly circumvent it (dial-up etc) and the rest help change the policy/govt....

. o O rfc1149 Avian Carriers?

The biggest problem with that transport mode are round-trip-times and packet loss due to hawk.

It is specifically UDP, so the protocol doesn't need to account for retransmits (which is good!).

Hmm - so are they black hats or white hats trying to get packets out of Egypt? One reason that isn't always a helpful distinction....

Well, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist....

When I was still a full time student, my advisor ran a yearly advanced networking course (CS 644). It, for the most part, a reading group where we would plow through an RFC or a thesis or some such. Then discuss it. Lots of fun

Once, we read that rfc.

That was a lot of fun to discuss.

@packs I see no mention of UDP. It is IP, and can be used underneath UDP/TCP/HTTP/whatever....

Though the delay issues are indeed formidable....

Interplanetary Internet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, it's pretty nasty. Said advisor's primary work is all in interplanetary networking. We've done some fun stuff like simulating satellite links between Earth and Mars. Then making TCP work on that haul.

@nealmcb You're right, I remembered wrong.

@packs Looks like you've had fun with the new low-rep edit functionality here.

@packs Damn - my ninja edit didn't work. Otherwise that would have been funny :-)

@Iszi Have I suggested edits?

Wait a minute! Room owners can edit old messages?

How unfair!

@packs Trojan attack! Get a chat post starred, then edit it into something folks wouldn't star. But SE changes the text even in the "starred" area on the right! Makes me think the "star" function should post a frozen copy of the message, not a link to the malleable data. Status: current exploits seen in the wildebeest!

For us normals, one can only edit chat posts for a few minutes.

Also, that's happened to be on SF before.

I answered the question asked, had it accepted, then later the question was edited so much that it became completely different.

Then the asker unaccepted my question, and left an asshole comment about how my answer was stupid and doesn't even apply.

@packs well at least when you read that answer, there is a visual indication that it was edited and a history. In this case, the view of the Wildebeest post has no indication that it has been changed. You'd have to click on it to find the original and then click on the edit marker, and you still wouldn't know which version was starred.

I blame it on @RoryAlsop's inherent distrust of all things colonial.

serverfault.com/questions/228546/…

Sorry, I really screwed up that onebox

@packs I'd definitely recommend it for migration.

@packs I just saw your name on a bunch of posts. Can't remember if it was the "newest" or "active" view though. If it was the "newest" then that would indicate you probably had done some edits to the question. Maybe it was "active" which would mean that you'd posted answers or comments.

@packs Hehe - actually I'm half Australian so I'm not allowed to be anti-colonial

Well, except the spelling issue :-)

@nealmcb Agree. Doyou think my practice of editing then leaving a note in the comments in meta is useful? I just thought your intro paragraph was a lot better than the original and would be worth having immediately - we are slowly increasing the rate of new joiners and they all (hopefully) see the FAW

@Iszi I was retagging a bunch of stuff.

So is FAW functionally equivalent to FAQ?

@Iszi I have flagged questions requesting they be migrated over here, but I didn't on that one. It was a visibility thing more than anything else.

I didn't feel like the it would add much to the site, but would be useful enough to those people.

Geez, how big is the new PS3 update?

@RoryAlsop Thanks the update. I think having a comment along with an edit can be helpful, and it is only this odd situation where a starred chat comment can be changed after being starred that was bugging me. So what do you think of my further edits to the faq bit with a more diverse set of contexts (intl, language, topic)?

@nealmcb Yep - liked them. I popped that sentence in after the Be Specific line - thought it fit best there. Seem reasonable?

@nealmcb regarding ninja edits, yeah it is a bit worrying. @packs and I were chatting about it yesterday wrt off-colour jokes so I thought I'd pop in some nonsense and then edit it back. Interesting that it changes in the *'ed bit in the sidebar as well. You would have to trawl history for the real story.

@packs - yes FAW=FAQ. We just got chatting late on one evening after a basic spelling mistake, and it snowballed :-)

@RoryAlsop Ahh - I didn't see that - thanks! I was still focussed on the stuff I had replaced with that text, which still seems a bit redundant. Also I liked describing the bullet list as the threat model/risk profile, followed by the stuff on context. And also note the dash before "Be Specific" and a typo in there about "thr eat". So I'd still just make it look like the text in the answer, FWIW

@RoryAlsop Got it. But note that without timing information on stars, you don't know what version was actually appreciated by others

exactly - bit of a worry isn't it :-)

@nealmcb I'll quickly sort those typos, and I see what you mean about the redundant bit. Gimme a moment.

@RoryAlsop Yup! And that's what we get paid for :)

@nealmcb I'll raise it in the Teacher's Lounge

@nealmcb Always worth many eyes to spot the typos - the FAW editable section is all raw html, and the formatting in the edit box is not ideal, so it can be tricky to catch them all. Updated the redundant section to fit better.

Anyone here disagree that NIST SP 800-53 would be a useful response to the "corporate policy" question?

@RoryAlsop Given all the confusion about a threat model, I'll just put in another plug for how the bullet list seems like a threat profile, but the context sentence (which is now called a threat model) doesn't. And the sentence structure there is wrong.

so I like the flow in the current answer better

@Iszi as in "Good response"

@nealmcb "Good point" as in "good question" or as in "yes, it's relevant"?

@Iszi - the question on "which policies are published?" - reckon that would be a good one, but in my mind it still leaves open the question of who is using it in real life

I am trying to find the handful I have seen online that I know are live

The thing about 800-53 is, it's more of a template than a policy on its own. I don't know about corporations that use it, but I know there's some government entities.

@nealmcb Thanks. I was kind of questioning myself on it, because it's not an actual policy on its own.

Hmm - I tried to cancel editing my chat comment, but couldn't find a way to do that. So it got replaced with my reply....

@nealmcb The cancel button is next to the upload button, which is next to the send button. Or you can hit ESC.

@Iszi Oh - I'm supposed to actually look around, and not flail with the "esc" key? :)

@nealmcb You familiar with 800-53?

@Iszi I sometimes work with the folks that wrote it, but I haven't ever gotten very deep into it myself

@nealmcb Oh. I'm just trying to think of a (relatively) short and straightforward control that I can use as a case example.

But, there's not many of those.

Eh, scrap the example. I'm not writing a whole essay here.