The DMZ - 2014-06-23 (page 5 of 5)

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2:00 PM

I always found that Apple touchscreens felt nicer to use

duno if that's just me

My main beef with Android fans is many of them claiming that the platform is more "open" with because it's open source when the OS is unusable without Google's proprietary services. And that the inability of Google to push updates means tons of Android devices with unpatched holes.

And the thing is the Nexus 5 is compared to the 5s and the 5s is worth twice as much as the N5.

I will, and always have, agree that because Apple controls both the hardware and the software they achieve a better integration between the two.

even against my HTC One, and the HTC One has a nice screen

You have to take into consideration for sure.

2:01 PM

the screen on my Nexus 7 2013 is terrible

I mean - it looks nice, it's just not very responsive

@kalina Yep, I agree.

@kalina That's because the Nexus 7 is built down to a price.

@TerryChia that's just standard fanboism

A new screen for a Nexus 7 costs more than the device when it was brand new.

tbh, I'm not overly impressed with my nexus 7 at all

2:03 PM

You know what else I'm not impressed with? My D.

Ok, I'm done with my break so enough pointless arguments on the Internet. :P

@TerryChia Pointless arguments are the best arguments.

@Simon everybody that has ever interacted with it in any way has been unimpressed

I'm not even sure that argument was pointless

@DavidFreitag Only when you have nothing else to do.

there was no fanboism involved

2:04 PM

:(

@kalina Even the people who have never interacted with it in any way are unimpressed.

@TerryChia That would make sense, yes.

@TerryChia Not really. Arguments stimulate certain parts of your brain. This can help if you are stuck in a project.

@Simon That poor dictionary of yours.

@TerryChia you're unimpressed because you've never interacted with it before?

wat

2:07 PM

poor you

but that is the opposite of what I was saying

@kalina Reading comprehension fail.

@DavidFreitag What did I misspell or fuck up?

HELP I'M LOST

IN DREAMS

DREAMS

@Simon You said everyone was unimpressed with your D.

@DavidFreitag I'm just writing unit tests though, so it's a relatively simple but tedious task.

@DavidFreitag I did say that, yes. I like to insult myself.

2:09 PM

stop being such a hoser

The Hose - I Survived

Very good track, indeed.

@TerryChia Yeah but you could have some project rolling around in the back of your head.

no

@Simon Link?

@DavidFreitag www dot youtube dot com

double you double you double you dot you tube dot com

2:11 PM

@kalina I can't type that many letters. I just use ytube <insert name here>

Because chrome is teh awesome.

@DavidFreitag y<enter>songname<enter>

@kalina That only works if you regularly visit only one website that begins with the letter y

I do

what other websites begin with a Y that would actually get used these days

it must have been a decade since I last went on yahoo

I can think of a few

and every other website I ever visit starts by typing "google<enter>whatI'mlookingfor<enter>"

2:13 PM

@kalina yts.re

@TerryChia no idea what that is

@kalina My source of movies. ;)

@TerryChia SFW?

@DavidFreitag Yep.

random links on the internet are not SFW even if the poster says they're SFW

in fact

2:15 PM

@kalina Which would be why I asked

use my rule: anything linked on the internet is the next tubgirl - not safe for human consumption

@kalina I should probably be glad to admin i have no idea what tubgirl is.

I am glad that I only remember it's bad

it's like a damaged hard drive sector that has actually been marked bad - there's no need to revisit it

@kalina Did you hear about the dude who got to 90 by doing nothing but mining and gerbalism without leaving the starting area in WoW?

2:17 PM

@DavidFreitag that sounds a little bit... overkill

@kalina Yep. Pandaren. Took nearly 180 days of in game time to get there.

unreal

So he pretty much took the idea from the South Park episode, right?

That's nearly $100

Just to run around clicking your mouse

I'm going to an electronic show ton8

2:19 PM

And apparently the game is very borked for him since you aren't supposed to be neutral past level 10, but he is a level 90 neutral

There will be some hardstyle @@@

NO

WE DON'T NEED HARDSTYLE EH

THERE WILL BE SOME TRANCE AND ELECTRO TOO MKAY

TRANCE IS OK EH BUT ELECTRO IS A BIT TOO OVERDONE

MIGHT AS WELL JUST DUBSTEP IT

PUT A WAHWAHWAHWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWWAHWAHWAHWAH ON IT

WUB WUB WUB

2:24 PM

put a donk on it

WHAT ABOUT TRAP?

donk donk donk donk

NEVER FORGET ABOUT TRAP

#neva4get

SPEED IT UP TO ONE SEVEN TWO BEE PEE EM

ntz ntz ntz ntz ntz ntz ntz ntz ntz

SPEED IT UP BY 5 DECIBEL

COME ON MAN

2:25 PM

p-p-put your hands up for detroiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

BASS IN THE PLACE, LONDON

doooo dooo do do d d d d d d dooo doo do do d d d d d d doooo dooo do do

tududududdu du du dududududdu

And now for something completely different

NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB NTZ NTZ NTZZ WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB

HOLY FUCK M8 DAT DROP

I can't believe they think this conversation is more acceptable than talking about sex

Sounds like a person who doesn't get laid would find it unacceptable.

2:28 PM

love sex intelligence, coming on like a seventh sense

y'all ready for this?

do do do dooo dooo

I'm bored now

GIMME A PHAT BEAT

FUCK MAN THAT'S SO GOOD

Here we go, I just took the definition of "retard" to the next level. I spent a while trying to figure out what was the error in my query. It was =<.

slap it on a 12", send it to the clubs... we'll put you on the cover of NME, fuck man you're a genius man a real genius, it's jungle trance hiphop... fucking shit music

here take these drugs

Jungle Trance Hiphop?!?

Fucking genius, indeed.

2:32 PM

it's a Bill Hicks skit where he's mocking music

shitty rave music vs the shitty drugs

because rockstars never took drugs, right? RIGHT?

The music is so shitty that they have to take drugs to enjoy it?

that was his point yes

Sounds like me who's enjoying way more a Progressive House show when I'm hammered.

however it made a fantastic sample for rave music

Otherwise I'm too judgmental.

2:33 PM

"kalina is dancing to drum and bass"... "she must be drunk"

lulz

no, I was clearly stoned and thus my brain had slowed the DNB down to 140bpm and turned it into DUBSTEP

dayum son

DNB is what, ~180?

ish

depends if you're making DNB or pop music

Lawl, yeah

2:35 PM

most chase and status/pendulum stuff is ~170

most proper DNB is 180-185

I would never label Pendulum as proper DNB.

chase and status on the otherhand did their time in the underground before going commercial

Even though I'm far from a DNB expert.

so it's not fair to not call them proper DNB

Oh, so they became greedy?

2:37 PM

no, they decided they needed enough money to pay their mortgage

Meh.

I hate the sellout argument

there is a difference between making more commercially successful music and advertising l'oreal

just because an artist decides they want to actually be able to eat out of the money they make from music doesn't make them a sell out

but it doesn't stop the world from judging them as such

Yes but the thing I dislike about "commercial" music is the lack of innovation.

like it's a crime to actually want to achieve something like that

They just keep re-using the same sound because it has proven to be successful.

2:39 PM

@Simon well that's a different problem

and that's been going on for ages

right back into the 80s

Well, that's what I'm criticizing about commercialism.

why is it wrong when <some dance artist that has spent their life slaving away to buy a loaf of bread> is successful but Simon Cowell can mass produce millions of euros doing exactly that and people will happily sit in front of the TV like dribbling retards watching him being an asshole to people with fragile egos?

Progressive House is the best example, honestly. You can find a shitload of successful tracks with the VERY same drum beat on their 8th beat.

@Simon sometimes that's the style

@kalina Because people are stupid.

2:41 PM

break it down to its most simple form, the vast majority of dance music uses a 4 to the floor arrangement

@kalina That is very unfair, yes.

the vast majority of modern music uses a 4 beats per bar structure

even pop tracks have a 32/64 bar break, just like any dance floor destroying megahit

Bleh, I rarely analyze pop tracks.

literally the difference between pop/rock and dance is that the former utilises bridges and doesn't need an intro/outro so builds its arrangement with a 8/16 bar intro instead of a 32/64 intro

I should stop the self-defeating and finally get into producing.

2:43 PM

its very rare you'll come across a bridge section in a dance track but it does happen occasionally

A great track to crank the bass up

well I guess you do now

did you know

I'm bored again now

but zzzzzz

also, chat sucks and gets my messages the wrong way around

because it sucks

it sux ballz

you suck balls, eh?

2:49 PM

Sometimes

ball sucking is great </starbait>

@kalina What's wrong with some chocolate salty balls every once in a while?

Does anyone in this chat ever go like "Man, I wanna have an intelligent conversation, I should go in The DMZ" and when they see that I'm not there, they're like "Aw, that's a shame, I should go somewhere else then".

No.

@kalina Do you think that @FE is fat?

2:54 PM

Eye diagrams are soo cool looking.

user image

@Simon no

@Simon actually I think it's probably more like "if <one of these people are present> then give up"

and I suspect you, I, lighty, etc are all on that list

@kalina I've had intelligent conversations with you before. Come to think of it I've had intelligent conversations with @Simon too.

@DavidFreitag yes but you know that we're just joking whereas the people from outside looking in don't

I'm surprised nobody has ever questioned why I seemingly vanished from the rest of the network but still hang around here

@kalina You say that like they matter at all

I guess I really did make no impact on anything at all ever

and should take that rejection to heart and just give up on all of my dreams, move somewhere away from the rest of the world with no internet access and live out the rest of my days

3:01 PM

wat

wat

I want a delorean but I hear they're terrible cars

@kalina What's your favorite genre?

late 90s pre-commercially successful trance

@kalina They are selling replica bodies for the delorean that you can put on any frame that will fit

I'm going to have to go for a bit since my boredom is reaching intolerable levels and I know you guys don't like it

3:19 PM

@kalina Do what makes you happy, brah. Unless it's drugs.

Fine, I will go on a murderous rampage then

"Because Simon said..."

"But Simon said why don't you stop being bored and go on a murderous rampage instead..."

murder.... hehehhehEHEHEHEHh3h34h3h3hahhahah

I may be slightly unstable

IT'S TIME FOR THIS NITROGEN ATOM TO DOUBLE BOND

murder

cakes

genocide

chocolate

slaughter

peanuts

homocide

banana

autoeroticasphyxiation

Drugs'r bad mmmkaay.

yoghurt

torture

jellybabies

cannibalism

gingerbread man

boredom

biscuits

BURNING THE FLESH FROM THE BONES WITH FIRE

toast

@kalina Butter toast.

bread

with marijuana in it

3:32 PM

digaholedigaholedigahole

@kalina "slightly"?

donuts

@FEichinger yes

slightly

You mean "slightly more than usual", don't you?

@FEichinger Slightly more than your face

3:36 PM

I am perfectly stable and I don't know what you're talking about

I am tempted to drive down to Cambridge right now though

so I can burn the entire place to the ground and resolve part of the Rory infestation

@kalina Liar! You just want to hook up with @Adnan!

3:54 PM

I would rather freeze to death

user image

4:13 PM

@kalina sure, 'hard to get' right?

3 hours later…

6:49 PM

@tylerl I know what you're saying ...

in The Pod Bay, yesterday, by TildalWave

If I lived on the Space Coast I'd be now hiring a van with a dish and a few cameras for the next launch attempt :) That's what, 90 minutes + of worldwide advertising opportunity.

Or better yet, buy broadcast services off 45th Space Wing and have exact same cams SpaceX would've had

7:25 PM

@FEichinger well I did see some suspicious people hanging around today, so I'm not entirely certain one of them wasn't @kalina but then it's a long way from Des Moines!

@TildalWave You don't need a van with a dish. You need a webcam, an internet connection, and a power supply

@Adnan sorry :op

@TildalWave and something to put it on

@Kisunminttu We've done the same things with plush penguins in the past, have pictures of them from various parts of the world

@Adnan sorry I could've warned you about pretentious people in the south of england if I'd known..

I'm glad I didn't try to keep up with the transcript today, or I'd understand even less about iOS than I do!

@RоryMcCune A lovely tradition! :)

7:46 PM

I'm trying to convince someone that even basic security audits are expensive. I.e. $80k to $200k, not $1k to $5k. Anyone got any examples I can point to?

@tylerl I guess it depends on what you're auditing ... is this a web app /network/ general audit?

@RоryMcCune just a website w/ a custom cms.

still, difficult to find someone who would even touch it for the rates they're asking.

@tylerl ah you prob. don't want to look at the UK market I've seen people sell "web tests" at the 1-5k mark (albeit either translates to scanner + report or very time limited manual test...)

AFAIK the US market tends to spec. things higher than the UK market...

@RоryMcCune yeah. that's the thing. It's the difference between reputable companies and man-in-his-basement operations. It's "I'll run nessus against your URL" vs. "I know what an audit is".

that's the distinction I'm trying to relay

Looking for material to support it

Also, production code alert:

  $sql = "select user_name, user_access from tbl_user where user_name = '".$username."' AND user_password = '".md5($password)."'";

tricky one. testing market is "market for lemons" very hard for non-specialists to tell the difference as all suppliers make the same claims...

@tylerl that's ........... not good

7:53 PM

@tylerl What's wrong with that? That's how I build my queries.

@RоryMcCune remember the good ol days when you'd see this type of thing in "teach yourself CGI in 7 days" books?

@tylerl heh

8:21 PM

@RоryMcCune There is an advantage: It's trivial to figure out what the hacker changed your password to:

mysql> select * from tbl_user where user_name='admin';
+---------+------------+----------------------------------+-------------+
| user_id | user_name  | user_password                    | user_access |
+---------+------------+----------------------------------+-------------+
|       1 | admin      | 87f87b440aa8c0b9d3d6da86a66c701d | full        |
+---------+------------+----------------------------------+-------------+

Not something I would have guessed, but common enough to show up in a search.

yeah that's one advantage of straight MD5, easy to google :)

@RоryMcCune yes, totally worth not rewriting your crappass custom CMS.

cause you can always Google your password when they change it.

3

hey hey no dissing custom CMSs' some of my "best" reports come out of testing those..

Email to customer: Apparently your password was changed to "hackercut". I'm going to let you derive the implications of this yourself. Also, our offer and price to rebuild your site still stands from when we originally discussed this eventuality 6 years ago.

@tylerl Your prices haven't gone up in six years? That's a good deal for them.

8:30 PM

@Xander they've gone up quite a bit. But this job was quoted under very specific circumstances.

@tylerl I figured it had to be something along those lines. Still, at face value, sounds like something they should be jumping at.

Customer: Can you change the password back?
Me: Yes... but I don't think that will do a whole heap of good, all things considered.

Verification over beer completed. @RoryM is in fact... Rory M

@LucasKauffman Everybody is hard to get when nobody wants to "get" them

@Adnan Which is to say, you @RoryM is in fact the person you had beer with? Not sure what you verified.

@FEichinger Oh, please. I'd rather be buried alive with a zombie rather than be seen with @kalina

@tylerl You don't get it!

8:42 PM

@Adnan 6 one, half-dozen the other.

@tylerl well I'm relatively certain that @Adnan is the person I saw today, or someone that has studied him extensively and hangs out on the DMZ.... oh smeg it could have been @kalina that I met :op

@RоryMcCune Today, you've had beer with me, @Kisu, @Lighty, and @Kliana at the same time

@Adnan ooh good point, verification central!

@Adnan Verified.

user image

and here it is, for extra verification

I'm the dude with the NY hat

8:45 PM

@Adnan So which one is me and which one is @klaina

I suddenly became Greek

@Adnan That's a big step. Are you sure you want to give up being Turkish?

@Kisunminttu I already gave up my French heritage

@Adnan yeah and I'm one of the three young looking people on the left and definitely not one of the oldies on the right!

@Adnan Le fuuuu--

8:47 PM

@Adnan Says the chap whose avatar is a picture of himself.

and Marion says she was the one taking the picture

@tylerl Hey, people can change

@RоryMcCune Are you that dude wit that nice greenish shirt?

You have a really good taste

heh

@Adnan aren't you the dude standing up?

8:48 PM

@LucasKauffman Yeah that's me

Maaan.. I look 19 in that picture

I need to grow a couple of inches taller.

@Adnan considering you are from the middle-east where do you order your shisha tobacco and molasse?

@Adnan Legal, would bang.

@LucasKauffman Never smoked shisha, and no idea what is the second one

@Adnan the stuff to keep the tobacco moist

@LucasKauffman Oooh.. yeah. I happen to be an expert on keeping things moist. Just ask @Kisu

8:51 PM

 <strong><center>LockeD By Joky<br>pass plz:</center></strong>

Why the unnecessary capitalization?

I never understood that.

@Adnan I can confirm that.

@tylerl They're emphasizing that it's not a lock purchased by Joky. It is in fact lock ed by Joky.

@tylerl W41t U'r3 n0t 1337?

Okay, let's stop it before @AviD Or @RoryA hear us

@tylerl It's an added coolness bonus. Much like using numbers in stead of letters.

8:52 PM

 <title>Joky Priv8 Mailer</title>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">

nothing says l33t like Latin1

2

I am now K1su

@tylerl and opting to use <meta> instead of HTTP headers

@tylerl well yes, but a good tele lens would come useful, and a good equatorial mount ...

anyway, there is already all the equipment needed, all you'd need is to hire it all

they even have telescopes

and ULA apparently also has UAVs with gyro-stabilized tracking cams ... fancy :)

Apparently theres a routing issue on the entire SE network...

ah that's what it is, cheers @Nick

9:00 PM

Another gem:

$consym="<a href=IcA/><font color=white size=3 face=\"comic sans ms\">configuration files</font></a>";
echo "<br>folder where config files has been symlinked<br><u><font color=red size=2 face=\"comic sans ms\">$consym</font></u>";

@TildalWave apparently I was one of the first to notice... I tweeted it out 5 mins before any announcements ;p

Yep. Actually took the time to do his haxoring in comic sans.

@Nick half the world is watching football / soccer

@TildalWave am I the only one that hates football?

@Nick doubt it

I don't care that much for it myself, but I would watch a world cup game or two if I'm really bored

9:03 PM

@TildalWave I'd prefer to watch a brick wall for 7 hours

I'll watch if it's on anyway and there's something else for me to do

Looks like SEs sysadmins are having a fun day

might be related to their data center move? (and then moving it back to NY from Oregon?)

@TildalWave the data center move has been completed loooong ago

@Nick and the move back? :)

9:10 PM

@TildalWave nope thats done too... they are now makign it readonly to oregon till they fix the issue

then I dunno what they're doing

9:21 PM

bored

Soo... a mosquito just got stuck under my keyboard keys.,,,,

eww

did you squish it

... Nope it died on its own after being pushed down under my keys while typing....

that sounds like you squished it

now your keyboard has mosquito guts in it

forever

and now its stuck under the right superkey... and wont move even if I shake the keyboard... looks like ill have to take the keyboard apart to clean it up

9:24 PM

gross

it brough this upon itself when it got under my keys xD

Im only able to see it because of the blue backlight ;p

you're backlighting its guts?

o.O its moving!

what it needs is a blood transfusion ... you could donate some :)

@TildalWave I just want it dead and away from my PC :p

Haha!!! got it out and killed it

9:32 PM

her, you killed her ... I doubt a male mosquito would fit under the keys

and she just wanted to email her family!!

@TildalWave she shouldnt have grabbed on the piece of paper i sqeezed between the keys then xD

"I'm fine, people love me, they're all clapping their hands!"

3

@TildalWave Nah I use one of those electric things with the capacitors

Fried mosquito for dinner

cattle prod?

@TildalWave idk what its called in english xD

9:36 PM

me neither, that's why I ask :))

zapper?

phaser?

tesla coil?

that'd be awesome

wow se servers were so slow after that outage that the firewall caught the packets and blocked them instaid of the browser

Thats it for me today heading to be bye DMZ

@Nick nn

Someone tried to get me to sign a contractor agreement... which by the way: no, I don't work for you. But included in there was this gem:

> EXCEPT FOR PAYMENTS FOR SERVICES, UNDER NO
CIRCUMSTANCES, REGARDLESS OF THE BASIS OF THE CLAIM SHALL COMPANY’S
LIABILITY TO CONTRACTOR EXCEED ONE THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS (U.S. $1000).

Indeed...

10:01 PM

I am so bored that I am watching Star Trek

10:11 PM

@tylerl That's awesome.

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11:29 PM

what is this chat about and why are you here D:

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