Hinduism

Pandya

6:00 AM

@TheDestroyer she would always admire points relating Sanskrit Language :)

TheLittleNaruto

This mantra should be chanted on the day of Ashtami

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer I can only read Japanese and very little Greek, Hebrew, and Sanskrit. Only some certain words I have looked into for personal research

SwiftPushkar

@TheLittleNaruto - Yes salutation of Adi_Shakti . 🌸

Rubellite Yakṣī

@Pandya precisely

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī No. I mean Devanagari Script.

Pandya

6:01 AM

@TheLittleNaruto yes, here are also useful information/mantras:

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A: Slokams for Navaratri first three days for durga, next three days for lakshmi and last 3 days for saraswathi

Durga [First 3 days] दुर्गे स्मृता हरसि भीतिमशेषजन्तोः स्वस्थैः स्मृता मतिमतीवशुभां ददासि। दारिद्र्यदुःखभयहारिणि का त्वदन्या सर्वोपकारकरणाय सदार्द्रचित्ता ॥ Durge Smrita Harasi Bhitim Ashesha-Jantoh Swasthaih Smrita Matim Ateeva-Shubhaam Dadasi Daridrya-Duhkha-Bhaya-harini K...

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer I know what you mean. I can only recognize a few characters from looking into certain words

Akshay Kumar S

I have small question. How to lead our routine life in work and at the same time not influenced by worldly affairs?

SwiftPushkar

एकैव शक्तिः परमेश्वरस्य
भिन्ना चतुर्धा व्यवहार काले।
पुरुषेषु विष्णुः भोगे भवानी
समरेच दुर्गा प्रलये च काली॥
ekaiva śaktiḥ parameśvarasya
bhinnā caturdhā vyavahāra kāle|
puruṣeṣu viṣṇuḥ bhoge bhavānī
samareca durgā pralaye ca kālī||

Parmeshwaras--the Absolute has got only One Shakti,but it is fourfold in making the universe exist,and that is Its Vyavahara/natural performance.This Shakti as as Vishnu in the Purusha aspect of reality,as discussed in the Sankhya philosophy. It acts as Bhavani ,while enjoying the merits of actions performed during life.The same Shakti runs as Durga,during war …

The Destroyer

@TheLittleNaruto it's from Devi Mahatyam Markandeya Purana. 😛

TheLittleNaruto

@TheDestroyer I see.

Pandya

6:03 AM

Btw, one unanswered question tagged with Navaratri:

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Q: Why do we wear different colors on different days of Navratri?

Each day of Navratri is associated with a different color as mentioned in this article. How are Navratri colours decided and why do they change every year? The first colour of the Navratri is decided based on the week day when the festival begins or when Ghatsthapna or Pratipada falls....

SwiftPushkar

@AkshayKumarS I think there are few similar questions related to this topic on main , do try to search :-)

TheLittleNaruto

@TheDestroyer You should bestow us your gyAnA

@Pandya Nice info

The Destroyer

@TheLittleNaruto Lol. I'm nothing before Pushakaracharya and Pandya. They are more knowledgeable than me.

Nog Shine

@TheLittleNaruto um... who transliterated this?

Akshay Kumar S

@TheDestroyer - on other day I asked about the Markendaya who at age of 16 was saved by Lord Shiva from Yama. And Markendaya Purana was written by that sage Markendaya?

Pandya

6:04 AM

Will participants of event get Prasadam (Lunch) today from event organizer? @SwiftPushkar @NogShine Haha!

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer For example, I can read "क" "ह" "भ" "म" & "व"

The Destroyer

@AkshayKumarS Yes. But Marakandeya Purana doesn't have that story.

Akshay Kumar S

@SwiftPushkar - I had tried in main site and became lazy after not finding it

Rubellite Yakṣī

maybe some others, but probably just those for now

TheLittleNaruto

@NogShine me! I learned it from @Rakesh

Pandya

6:05 AM

Btw, I've some work, will be back.

The Destroyer

@AkshayKumarS Narrator is markandeya. Similarly, in Vamana Purana Vamana is narrator and same with Matsya.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya haha yes , i was also thinking of adding such funny message in my invitation card , but didn't .

@AkshayKumarS Ok i will try after some time and will give you those .

Rubellite Yakṣī

@AkshayKumarS The same way to not be influenced by all things. You notice it, perhaps think "Oh, it's ___" or "Hmmm", then move on. This is my opinion/method, anyway

The Destroyer

@Pandya prasadam is tangible. Only Blessing can be sent. :P

Rubellite Yakṣī

Not always easy, tho

TheLittleNaruto

6:06 AM

@TheDestroyer Knowledge! it comes with experience. I doubt there is anyone as experienced as you comparing with any one present now in this chatroom.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar I like this. What is the source?

The Destroyer

@AkshayKumarS karma yoga. But only through constant practise. We fail many times but should try.

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī I dont know exactly but Uma Sahsram - Its over here shehjar.com/content/1907/1.html

Nog Shine

@Pandya that should be navaratri I guess.

Akshay Kumar S

@RubelliteYakṣī @TheDestroyer That's correct point but after few months of practice, again I got diverted. But as you say, we should never give up.

Rubellite Yakṣī

6:10 AM

@TheDestroyer I can give my postal address :p

The Destroyer

@AkshayKumarS What's your age? Highly difficult if you are a teen.

Nog Shine

@TheLittleNaruto That's wrong. Many letters missed. Simplified is better than this.

@Pandya Sure. Come here. You are always welcome!!

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī International shipping. :P So, Event Organizers will see take care of this @NogShine @SwiftPushkar

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer Yes, exactly so @AkshayKumarS

TheLittleNaruto

@NogShine Okay! I am not an expert btw as @Rakesh ; He is well versed in Sanskrit.

Rubellite Yakṣī

6:11 AM

@SwiftPushkar thank you

@AkshayKumarS Failure is an opportunity to learn. If you see it as a joyous occasion from which to learn, then failure becomes much easier to stop dwelling on. But if we feel guilty for it, it will continue to punish us forever.

The Destroyer

Just noticed. Looks like @Pandya went into deep meditation.

Nog Shine

@TheLittleNaruto Okay. There are many transliteration errors from experts then. :P They don't listen even when said.

Akshay Kumar S

@TheDestroyer 22

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer Okay excellent XD

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer haha , @TriyugiNarayanMani long ago 😀

Rubellite Yakṣī

6:14 AM

@TheDestroyer He has some work and will be back

TheLittleNaruto

@NogShine who are you talking about ?

The above transliteration is done by me

not by any expert

Akshay Kumar S

Iam naturally not interestred in worldy affairs but surrounding thoughts sometimes i get influenced

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī i know. Just joking. We used to make these kind of jokes. Tezz used to play more good jokes.😀

Nog Shine

@TheLittleNaruto about transliteration in the answers by experts as you say.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@AkshayKumarS This is inevitable. Otherwise you would already have achieved liberation. Don't worry too much.

TheLittleNaruto

6:16 AM

@NogShine You mean rakesh ?

Rubellite Yakṣī

Another good technique I use is, knowing that the thought is not a thought of my real self (Atman) I laugh at my ego's attempt. Does this make sense? Like, "Aha, I see what you tried to do there. But you can't make me stray, for I know who I really am."

Then it becomes an occasion for laughter and you can easily move back into the proper place

@TheDestroyer Oh, I see :p

Nog Shine

@AkshayKumarS I don't know about Markandeya purana but major part of Narasimha Purana is a narration by Markandeya.

The Destroyer

@AkshayKumarS First we should develop equanimity. Don't respond too much for happiness and sadness. You will master 'SthithaprajNatha' after some practice.

Nog Shine

@TheLittleNaruto Not only Rakesh, many are there.

Not pin pointing anyone

TheLittleNaruto

@NogShine Rakesh is an expert, That's for sure. I am not sure who others are you talking about.

Nog Shine

6:22 AM

@TheLittleNaruto I am not talking about his expertise. I am saying transliteration is wrong in the posts. If wrong transliteration in answers is learnt by users, they might lead wrong pronunciation of shlokas and mantras.

SwiftPushkar

Guys shall we focus on the topic of the event . DEVi

Nog Shine

@TheDestroyer we are back to 9

SwiftPushkar

@NogShine he will join soon .

The Destroyer

kanakadurgamma.org/Alankaras

Nog Shine

@SwiftPushkar Sure about Devi but let's talk.

TheLittleNaruto

6:25 AM

@NogShine ok

The Destroyer

These are Alankaras of Ma Durga in Vijayawada kanakadurga temple

Nog Shine

How are the celebrations there @TheDestroyer ?

Did you visit recently ?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer I am good what about you

The Destroyer

@NogShine Celebrations are good. Thought to go on Mula Nakshatra but i was out of town.

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6:26 AM

@TriyugiNarayanMani Good bro.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer My holidays are tomorrow :)

@SwiftPushkar ha ha

SwiftPushkar

@TriyugiNarayanMani Haha BTW welcome back , do you visited any durga puja pandals over there , how about dandiya over there. ?

The Destroyer

Btw, this hill is called Indrakila, although there is hill named Indrikala in Himalayas. It is said Indra worshipped Goddess Durga here and Arjuna got Pasupatastra and this city of Vijayawada is named after Vijaya (Arjuna as he got victory) who installed a Shiva Linga, Vijayeswara

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@SwiftPushkar yes I have visited some pandals but there is no dandiya celebration

SwiftPushkar

6:32 AM

@TheDestroyer hmm , may be skanda purana is mentioning about this place .

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Yes. Might be Sahyadri Khanda which describes places on banks of River Krishna.

SwiftPushkar

@TriyugiNarayanMani ohh , but do others arrange it , i mean wht. abt. the tradition ?

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar Yes, please. Let's!

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar There's some controversy erupted during Dandiya celebrations in US.

indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-globally/…

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@SwiftPushkar some people do it but mostly with relatives and known people

SwiftPushkar

6:35 AM

@TheDestroyer oh , what's that , i don't know . BTW i am unable to access you-Tube , do you people experiencing same problem ?

@TriyugiNarayanMani oh ok . :-)

The Destroyer

Unfortunately, most male participants don't do it out of tradition. They just go there for girls. 😒

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar Yes, recently it has been having server errors. Usually it comes back up in a few minutes

I think this started for me yesterday

The Destroyer

So, there are strict rules being implemented.

@SwiftPushkar Yes. problem might be solved by now. For me it was solved yesterday. Heard it was persistent for 48 hours.

SwiftPushkar

SHRI DEVI APARADH KSHAMAPAN STOTRAM Beautiful stotra by Adi Shankaracharya

SHRI DEVI APARADH KSHAMAPAN STOTRAM ASHIT DESAI

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Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer That's terrible! Why should his place of origin matter? I should think that the gods are happy with the bhakti of foreigners, too.

SwiftPushkar

6:38 AM

@TheDestroyer yeah due to russian server maintenance , just remembered.

But the name is karan and he looks absolute indian .

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī ground reality is Christians and Muslims (from same India) disguise as Hindus and try to flirt with these girls after event. So, these events strictly follow such rules. And In India, conversions to other faiths are on high by such tactics.

Yes. Also the problem was solved immediately. Don't know why he took it
to twitter.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya Do listen to above stotra .

Akash. B

@TheDestroyer can you find me the question "how to reach near god?" in the site?

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer True faith can stand up to all challenges

Akash. B

I was unable to find it

The Destroyer

6:43 AM

@SwiftPushkar I like Mahihasura mardini Stotram very much. But i also like this.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Yes , that is my fav. too , also i like Durga suktam .

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Are you following Kuldeep's new videos?

But still Nava durgas singing Mahishasura Mardini is great.

Ayigiri Nandini - Navadurgas singing Mahishasura Marddini Sthothram - 'Vande Guru Paramparaam'

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SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Yes i am following , and i know all his subscribed .

Here is list of some devi stotras - greenmesg.org/bharatavarsha/stotras/parvati_stotras.php

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Mee too. Jayatu Samskrutam is also good channel. I'm listening Sanskrit Rhymes, like 5 year old kid. 😀😁

SwiftPushkar

Here is Saraswati Rahasya Upanishad

Saraswati Rahasya Upanishad

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@TheDestroyer haha , i will also look at that channel.

The Destroyer

6:49 AM

Durga Chalisa by Navadurgas - Vande Guru Paramparaam

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Durga Chalisa by them

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Yes.

Also see Bhavani Ashtakam and Sharada Bhujangam by Bhavya Ganapati on Kuldeep channel .

Triyugi Narayan Mani

Good stotras

SwiftPushkar

BTW do you people heard about know about Devi Tara ?

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Yes.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Looks like she is Tarini devi , but there is also a stotra of her which i haven't came across before. - greenmesg.org/stotras/tara/tara_stotram.php

And even a question by @AnkitSharma

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Q: Why Devi Tara is shown standing over Shiva?

I know the story of how Devi Tara feed her milk to Shiva to make him conscious again after drinking poison but why did in all the pictures she is shown standing over Shiva? I know why Kali depicted with foot over Shiva but why did Tara?

shiva tara

The Destroyer

6:55 AM

@SwiftPushkar Actually Avadhoota Nadananda gave his experience with Tara devi in his Biography when he was doing Shava Sadhana at Manikarnika Ghat in Kashi.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer WOW , grt.

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Will try to answer this. Has deep philosophical meaning.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer yeah , i think all those devi pics. is having some deep meaning.

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Yes. Wait i will post his experience.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer BTW what is the name of the book , just found one by him archive.org/stream/…

@TheDestroyer OK :-)

Ankit Sharma

6:58 AM

@SwiftPushkar are you sure Tarini and Tara are same devi name?

@TheDestroyer nice will wait for it

SwiftPushkar

@AnkitSharma No , but i think she is related to tarini . See तारा स्तोत्रम् - तारा च तारिणी देवी नागमुण्डविभूषिता. She is called as tarini here greenmesg.org/stotras/tara/tara_stotram.php - 1: (I meditate on Devi Tara) Tara is Tarini Devi (Who is the Goddess Who makes us cross the Samsara)

Ankit Sharma

ohh ok

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Autobiography of an Avadootha

It's too long.

I will mail you the epub

SwiftPushkar

:47226987 ok

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar I was just now watching (listening/reading translation of) this and it came to a section about the Hamsa. I thought Hamsa isn't Hindu. Can someone give me more insight on this?

@SwiftPushkar no

SwiftPushkar

7:07 AM

@TheDestroyer That is amazing experience , we will fell unconscious if we see such thing , but he is yogi and by guru kripa he completed his japa , even we cant see such a dead body in normal life . Amazing experience.

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī Yes. It's very long and tantra Sadhana. I will mail epub and read from chapter 73

He has done that at Manikarnika Ghat and that too during Amavasya. He's very privileged.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar Oh? I thought this is Kali

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī Yes , there is a concept behind hamsa in hinduism , Swan or Hamsa is vehicle of devi saraswati , and is related to our decision making and choice , as Swan separated water from milk , he is representative of that sort of power we have to separate the wanted and unwanted things.

The Destroyer

Also Brahman's Vahana too.

If we reverse hamsa, we get soham..I'm that

ultimate reality

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī Yeah , the portrait looks almost same but she is standing on the body on a man instead.

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Q: What scriptures describe swans separating milk from water?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school. But there are five other Astika or orthodox schools of Hindu philosophy: Purva Mimamsa, Samkhya, Yoga, Vaisheshika, and Nyaya. My question is about the Samkhya school, founded by the sage Kapi...

philosophy animals saint sankhya

@RubelliteYakṣī But the swan i having much much more deep meaning in Hinduism than just that . Its a divine bird os vedas . We will collect more info about it and will discuss here later on after more findings. :-)

Rubellite Yakṣī

7:12 AM

`धन्वन्तरि : Wilson Sanskrit-English Dictionary (2nd Ed. 1832) Report an error about this Word-Meaning
m. (-रिः)
1. The physician of the gods, who was produced at the churning of the ocean.
2. A celebrated physician; also काशिराज being the same as the preceding in another existence: he appears to have been the founder of the Hindu medical school.
3. The sun.
4. A name of S'IVA.
5. One of the nine gems of the court of VIKRAMÁDITYA.`

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_(Sanskrit)

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer Hamsa is sadhana?

@SwiftPushkar This is very interesting because Hamsa is in Islam and Judaism. Also the symbol reminds me of a Jain symbol. This sort of cross-cultural similarity is generally due to transmission of an idea rather than it representing an underlying truth that each culture tapped into independently. Also, the word "hamsa" is definitely of Semitic origin, not Indo-European

SwiftPushkar

Yes Ham-Sam is the sound we create while breathing cAlled Hamsa -Dwani , i know only little about that but minor upanishads are talking about that .

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar Ah! So it is. Very subtle differences.

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī No. That is tantra Sadhana, Shava Sadhana, that is a Tantra practice with dead body. It was done by a Tantra Swami under guidance of his Guru at holy cremation ground Manikarnika Ghat in Varnasi (also called as Kashi).

Rubellite Yakṣī

7:18 AM

Also I was reading, `तर[2] : Monier Williams Sanskrit-English Dictionary (2nd Ed. 1899) Report an error about this Word-Meaning
mfn.
(√ तॄ ; g. पचादि) carrying across or beyond, saving (?, said of शिव) MBh. xii, 10380
ifc. passing over or beyond W.
‘surpassing, conquering’ » शोक-तर cf. रथंतर
excelling, w.
m.
crossing, passage RV. ii, 13, 12 ; viii, 96, 1 Mn. viii, 404 and 407 Yājñ. (ifc.) MBh. xii
( अ-तर mfn. ‘impassable’) Bhaṭṭ. vii, 55 (cf. दुस्-)
‘excelling, conquering’ » दुष्-टर, सु-तर, दुस्-

The Destroyer

Btw, Kashi is considered as very holy city by Hindus. Adi Shankara says Kashi is Atma in Kashi panchakam

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī Yes , generally all cultures share some common symbols , hamsa (swan) is migratory bird so , whatever he went , people adopted him in their culture and is i think universal symbol of magnificence.

Rubellite Yakṣī

Which indicates she is about the aspect of "crossing over to the other side" which would happen after "destruction of the living organism"

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar @RubelliteYakṣī read this vedanta.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/…

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī Yeah , the person is our own bad self i think and she saves us from our bad personality traits also .

The Destroyer

7:20 AM

@SwiftPushkar I have mailed you the book. Read from chapter 73 where his sadhana starts in Kashi.

@RubelliteYakṣī Tara means crossing. Ava-tara meaning coming down..Ava means down

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Yes , your answer :-)

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A: What is the source for the famous conversation between Adi Shankara and Chandala

Conversation between Chandala (who is none other than Lord Shiva) and Adi Shankara can be found in Shankara Digvijaya (most famous biography of Adi Shankara) written by Madhavacharya (Vidyaranya Swami). Shankara replied to Chandala in five verses called Manisha Panchakam. When Adi Shankarachar...

@TheDestroyer Ok will lokk at it right now . . Thanks .

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar No this is different.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer Aha! I see. This "hamsa" is etymologically different (and thus the meaning and purpose is different) from the Semitic Hamsa. Here is a picture of the Hamsa I was confusing:

The Destroyer

This gives metaphorical meaning of kashi. It says Kashi is Atma.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Ok , i think we also discussed . Lets check

Rubellite Yakṣī

7:22 AM

Pandya

Still 7 users active! Nice entusiasm!

Akash. B

@Pandya No 8!

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī what is meaning of Hamsa in Semitic languages?

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar Sure, but it is important to discern whether two distinct culture share a concept or symbol because of diffusion/transmission or because of independent "discovery"

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya Yes , we can go on forever like this , i think we should at least chat for 1 hour everyday , just we used to do before after 9 pm or so..

Rubellite Yakṣī

7:24 AM

Sorry. I am having trouble keeping up with all the links you are all sharing as well as the chat. Grateful for it, just means I can't respond quickly

Akash. B

guys , what's your opinion on sabarimala verdict?

SwiftPushkar

@Akash.B I am against entry to women .

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar or it might be really vahana of Brahma. 😛 Although our stories have metaphors, it could be Subtle hamsa and Brahma.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Yes , i was about to mention Brahma also ..

Hamsa Upanishad

The Hamsa Upanishad (Sanskrit: हंसोपनिषद्) is a Sanskrit text and a minor Upanishad of Hinduism. It is classified as one of the twenty Yoga Upanishads, and attached to the Shukla Yajurveda. The text or parts of the text is a relatively late origin, probably from the 2nd-millennium of the common era, but written before early 17th-century, because Dara Shikoh included it in the Persian translation of the Upanishads as Oupanekhat, spelling it as Hensnad (Hamsa-nada).The Hamsa Upanishad is structured as a disorganized medley of ideas, in the form of a discourse between Hindu sage Gautama and the divine...

@TheDestroyer Downloaded , will install e-pub reader and will read .

The Destroyer

@Akash.B Yes. We should consider Sthala Puranas, Agamas and other factors. How can they go against Sastras. Women are allowed to enter other Ayyappa temples.

If women are not all allowed into all temples, that is the problem. But it is wish of Ayyappa. We call it his leela,

Rubellite Yakṣī

7:27 AM

@TheDestroyer It is a symbol of protection from evil. Many people use it as an amulet to keep evil away. It's also spelled "khamsa" because the "h" sound is like a "k" but further back in the throat.

The Destroyer

Purpose is men are supposed to take vow of celibacy for 41 days.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer BTW i know very little about the topic , but what i was saying is that we should follow scriptural verdict only , if scripture allows that i am ok with it , actually we here know very little about sabarimala .

Rubellite Yakṣī

More here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamsa#Symbolism_and_usage

The Destroyer

@Akash.B After 10 or 9 years, women can enter temple only about at age of 50, so they wait for 41 years, So, they have vow for 41 years which is more than men. Unfortunately, these women see feminist ideas everywhere.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar I'm enjoying it, but it is 2:30 am here and I have class in 6.5 hours. So, I can't make this a regular habit :/

The Destroyer

7:30 AM

@SwiftPushkar Yes. These judges who give this judgement should be well versed in Agamas and other Sastras.

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī yeah , even don't make it , i am also are finding it hard to avoid chat at late night and late sleeping .

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī ohh.. I think you should sleep.Else you will sleep in class. 😛😁

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer BTW what scriptures are saying. I haven't read about the topic in papers fully yet. i was busy in pandal.

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Calibre ebook reader is good.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer hmm , will download .

Akshay Kumar S

7:32 AM

With respect to our Ayyapa temple, its celibacy helps trigger the 10th nervous system of our body and raise our life energy upwards against gravity, which is connected to Cosmic Prana. During women's periods, our Prana will be going downwards and hence during that time even visiting a temple is not good for women's health. Yearly once if we observe celibacy itself, our Karmas, destiny are changed through spiritual growth.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@Akash.B On the one hand, I don't think government should tell religions not to discriminate (also private businesses). On the other hand, I am liberal and don't like to see discrimination. Still, I think it is their right (even though I am a woman)

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Actually, it's wish of Ayyappa from Sthala Purana. Also, It's the celibate Mudra.

@RubelliteYakṣī This is not discrimination. this is being seen from different morality. Women are the one who save hinduism through their bhakti and Poojas And how can Hindus discriminate? One should understand things from hindu POV.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer It's because of age of menstruation.

@TheDestroyer I don't think it's possible for me to sleep in class. I can't learn passively. I'm always taking notes and asking questions

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī What is this symbol ?

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī not menstruation. Other temples don't allow menstruating women but Ayyappa needs celibacy. So, he it's his wish.

Akshay Kumar S

7:36 AM

@RubelliteYakṣī its not discrimination. Its also with respect to avoiding impure thoughts associated with women. If you see a women with love or Kama, your sexual energy is disturbed straightaway. Ayyapa celibacy for 41 days is to conserve that energy

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī ok. I tried it during my college days. But still i used to feel sleepy and my friend used to kick my legs whenever Professor concentrates on me. 😀😀

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer Regardless, the courts decided "discrimination against women on any grounds, even religious is unconstitutional." So, I am using their own language about this

Akshay Kumar S

Dont think bad why am talking like this because spirtiual's base itself is male's sexual energy and female's. That's why in temples we have painted in red/white colour

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī In India, Supreme Court intereres in everything.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar As I said two lines above, it is the Semitic hamsa

this is why I was confused

The Destroyer

7:39 AM

@RubelliteYakṣī Hamsa is the one which separates milk from water. Like that we should separate real from unreal (from advaita pov)

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer haha i was always thinking about hiking ,mountains and trees and my trips in my classes , but i have managed to pass my all examinations . Although i was not the scholar .😀 but remained in between 60-70% .

Pandya

Sorry, I am not actively participating as we have guests today.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer Yes, but there should be no distraction from women who can't menstruate. If they are becoming un-celibate toward children or the elderly, then they have some derangement. So, this is why it was denied during the ages of menstruation.

SwiftPushkar

@RubelliteYakṣī haha , that means five.

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Yes. Some subjects are really boring and even professor just shows slides instead of explaining. So, sleep would be my companion in that period.

SwiftPushkar

7:41 AM

@TheDestroyer Installed , the publisher looks Indian .

Rubellite Yakṣī

@AkshayKumarS While the reasons may be correct, that is still discrimination. To discriminate is to separate. The reasons don't matter

The Destroyer

Really, this new system of teaching through PPTs should go. They should use black board and we should write notes.

Rubellite Yakṣī

IOW, the real argument is that it is sensible discrimination, not that it ISN'T discrimination

@TheDestroyer The bigger problem is that I am no longer college age, so these long days can be difficult sometimes

@AkshayKumarS I already understood it. The problem is in your understanding of "discriminate" to mean "bigotry." They can be different.

@TheDestroyer Yeah. It's not how I think government should be done. However, USA doesn't do it right either :/

Akshay Kumar S

I think our current education system makes us think. But there is also a Muruga temple in India where he is in Brahmacharya form and in that temple women are not allowed. And there are also temples specifically for women in deities Bhagavathy where men are not allowed. It concerns with their spiritual growth depending on differences in our bodily structure.

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī No. We should not see menstruation just through physical body (Annamaya Kosha) but we should also see it from Manomaya Kosha too and Apana Vayus.

Rubellite Yakṣī

7:46 AM

@TheDestroyer lol. I understand. You guys keep trying to tell me things I have already learned. I think it's because your not following my bits of the conversation since I am so slow to catch up. You are describing Indo-European "hamsa." It's different to the Semitic "hamsa."

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī It's very long and should understand holistically.

indiafacts.org/hindu-view-menstruation-ii-menstruation-ashaucha

These series of articles by our old fellow user Nitin is good.

Hinduism bot

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Q: Mandir Darshan while some distant relative died and visit a mandir and then do Aasthi Visarjan

1) Can I go for Mandir Darshan while some distant relative died 5 days back? 2) Can I visit Shri Mata Vaishnodevi Mandir and then do Aasthi Visarjan of my father (who had died one & half years back) at Haridwar later?

vedas

Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar Yep. Like "high five" means "slap hands" "five" here means "hand"

Akshay Kumar S

Today @TheDestroyer is spending so much time here. today free?

Akash. B

@RubelliteYakṣī hamsa means white swan, right?

The Destroyer

7:47 AM

@Akash.B Yes, Hamsa means Swan.

SwiftPushkar

BTW guys its time for our Aarti and Naivedyam , i will be back in some time around 2:30 . I totally enjoyed the event . Its all due to grace of Devi only . Lets pray to her about welfare of all.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer The problem is that almost everyone is bad at making good powerpoints. All they end up doing is taking the outline of their talk and putting it on the screen. That's not useful for anyone but the presenter. PPT can be very powerful if used properly.

Having said that, I also suck at making PPTs

TheLittleNaruto

@TheDestroyer Mail me too.

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer What? That has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī I'm trying to give you Hindu view of menstruation.

Rubellite Yakṣī

7:50 AM

@Akash.B Oh my goodness. I feel like we've had this same conversation 5 times already. (-.- )

Hamsa times :p

Akash. B

@RubelliteYakṣī okay i will read your conversation

The Destroyer

@RubelliteYakṣī Hamsa Hamsas talked this riding other Hamsas Hamsa time seeing other hamsa Hamsas. used both semitic and Sanskrit Hamsas

Rubellite Yakṣī

@TheDestroyer I don't mean they can't go in b/c they are menstruating. I mean they can't go in because they are of the age of menstruation. These are different concepts

Akash. B

but can you ell me where it starts?

Rubellite Yakṣī

@Akash.B lol sorry

Akash. B

7:52 AM

@RubelliteYakṣī why?

Rubellite Yakṣī

46 mins ago, by Rubellite Yakṣī

@SwiftPushkar I was just now watching (listening/reading translation of) this and it came to a section about the Hamsa. I thought Hamsa isn't Hindu. Can someone give me more insight on this?

Good luck

@Akash.B Because I get frustrated by unnecessary repetition, but it's not your fault. So I shouldn't be frustrated with you.

@TheDestroyer lol

dork

So, I have 14 tabs open from our earlier conversation. It may take me a while to check these out. lol BRB

Akshay Kumar S

@TheDestroyer -oww. excellent. So you are success both in this Loka and Spiritual

Akash. B

@RubelliteYakṣī ahh ! my brain will be short circuited ,if i read it further

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar you have not replied my query on Tithi

Rubellite Yakṣī