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5:03 AM
> NATO countries, post-Soviet nations, Israel, and China
That's pretty much everybody lol. Didn't notice that
Maybe it was meant to be counter-espionage? like finding spies?
@CaffeineAddiction I'm curious why you think messing with the Mossad is a bad idea?
 
5:54 AM
@nobody Primarily due to Israel's adherence to the Dahiya Doctrine and the full on embracement of asymmetric warfare. You kill one of their citizens, they will bomb one of your towns. You blow up one of their places of worship, they will send bombers on a one way trip to blow up one of your nuclear power plants. On top of that Mossad is prob one of the top 5 intelligence agencies in the world ... if not top 3.
CIA and NSA may have more power, but they also have more reluctance to act with the full weight of that power due to all the people watching. Mossad has a similar competence ... but gives way way less fucks what people think.
 
6:32 AM
Hmmm, that's an interesting way to look at it.
I was thinking about how Israel relies on american support a lot, so they might overlook stuff like this, but then again, they had no qualms about attacking a US battleship in the past, so maybe not...
 
@nobody America supporting Israel is a misnomer in my opinion. America benefits from having that foothold in the middle east, as well as a test-bed for new weapons they dont want to test out themselves for fear of optics.

Its like filling a pingpong ball with black powder ... but being too chicken to light it cause your parents will ground you for the rest of your life ... so you give it to the kid down the street that lives in a trailer house and gives absolutely zero fucks.
While I have no proof at all, I feel like North Korea is China's equivalent. I would put money on the fact that most of the "cyber warfare" North Korea gets up to is China giving them something and North Korea saying "Hold My Beer"
 
7:32 AM
I'm skeptical about the "foothold in the middle east" part. The US seems to have no qualms straight up invading the middle east. They don't need some down there.
 
not about need, its about makes it easier
 
makes what easier? most of their influence in the middle east appears to be direct
A middle man that does its own thing seems unnecessary
 
lol, influence that "appears" isnt the influence its needed for. Lets say you wanted to have a bunch of blackwater mercs fly coach out of a US Airport w/ all their hardware being waved passed the TSA ... and needed a friendly country for them to land in before accidently crossing a boarder and doing something that the gov can complain total ignorance to if they get caught.
that is why you want a foothold in the middle east
 
Pretty sure some countries that let the US have military bases would be willing to do it for them
 
yup, Israel is one of them
 
7:45 AM
and I believe there are more in the region
so why the massive amount of support for Israel, if others can already fulfill that purpose?
You'd think a country, which according to yourself is not to be messed with, would be considered more of a potential liability than an asset... you never know when they decide to go against your interests
 
again, there is a diff type of relationship between US and Israelis than say Kuwait, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia
Israel is also democratic, which means the US trusts the more than the random dictatorships or communistic nations in that same region.
US and Israel are besties while Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia just want to sit at the cool kids table so they dont get bullied for their lunch money.
Orange is Major Non-NATO Allies
Blue is NATO Allies
so, in the Middle East region you have:
Egypt which is kinda a meh
Seria which is kinda a meh
and Israel which is a near peer in terms of tech, but they lack manpower
on the East side you have Pakistan and Afghanistan which are at best fair weather friends. We help them, they give us good rates on oil most of the time.
But in terms of military might and tech ... they are not even close
 
8:01 AM
Pakistan and Afghanistan have oil?
 
nm, im thinking of Kuwait
 
Anyways, I still feel like the US gives much more to Israel than they get back. Not that I really care, I'm just curious why
 
well think of the other country in that situation
what is another country that the US has helped out out of the "goodness" of their heart since WW2
right there on the east coast of China and Russia ;)
 
Taiwan?
 
Both Israel and Japan have gotten quite a bit out of the US ... and both are democratic, and both are in key locations compared to Russia and China
 
8:06 AM
I don't get why the US would care about democratic states
All that means from their point of view is that the administration, and by extension the foreign policy, will change frequently
 
Its prob left over from the Cold War tbh, but Democracies also tend to be more stable long term.
Honestly cant think of another Democracy that the US has ever been at serious odds with
but then again, right after WW2 we where pretty good friends with both Russia and China for a while due to them helping us w/ Germany and Japan
so yah ... the whole Democracy thing is prob left over feelings from the Cold War
lol, damn that Aljazeera article has a picture of the base I spent 6 months at in Qatar
 
this guy's definitely a fed... :P
 
lol, naw 4 years of USAF was enough gov work for me
got out a while ago and never looked back
civ word pays way way too well
 
8:22 AM
and you have a relatively clear conscience too :) I don't think I'll ever go close to a gov job
 
But when I was in, I did get to work with CIA and NSA personnel ... so I can see stuff from their perspective.
 
btw why do I see USAF's name more frequently in relation to computer stuff than other branches of the military? do the army and navy not do that sort of stuff?
 
lol, even within those branches the make use of and trust USAF techs more than the other branches.
 
interesting
 
while most of the branches will bitch and moan about chair force and all that ... yah when it comes to computers USAF > Navy > Marines > Army
 
8:26 AM
why's that so?
 
and they will pretty much all say so
I think it has to do with the entrance requirements, and Army starting everyone off as a grunt first and their prof second
I also think USAF gets more training in that area ... basic was 6 weeks 3c0 school was 3 mo?
^ 3c0 is a job class
 
I see
 

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