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12:23 AM
@JourneymanGeek yeah, I saw that yesterday and thought "what the heck is the board thinking?"
ousting the CEO weeks before an IPO... I asked ChatGPT if that's a good strategy and it said it is a terrible idea...
maybe they should use their own product
1:08 AM
@ThoriumBR The board was thinking the mission was more important than the CEO
which is a VERY enlightened point of view
I read somewhere that it made MS shares drop 16%... imagine the amount of liquidations...
That's why MS is trying to pressure openAI to take him back
@JourneymanGeek I believe so... but I believe dying for your mission isn't that great for the mission if there's nobody behind to fulfill it
@ThoriumBR Problem is sometimes the quest for profit ends up hurting the mission
look at us!
If Sam leaves and creates another AI company (that he is more than competent to do so), OpenAI is over.
1:11 AM
He'd have to start from scratch, and there's a lot to be said for first mover advantage
I believe SE is the opposite... they got after the profits damned be the mission... and lost both
OpenAI is focusing on the mission, damned be the profits... and they may lose both too.
and he's a money/management person
he'd still need to convince enough smart people to move over and start from scratch
instead of ousting him, fork the company and keep him CEO of the for-profit side and keep the mission alive on the non-profit
Well, maybe he's the threat
@JourneymanGeek I also read somewhere that someone said around 40% of the employees are there because of Sam, and if he leaves and invites, people will jump blindly after him
1:14 AM
40% of which employees tho
if he pulls HR, and management and not the sciency and techie people there's no point
techie guys love him... even the president followed him, the chief scientist resigned too
The president is his right hand dude
and the guy who engineered the removal was the brains of the original outfit
I honestly just want complete chaos
BURN. IT. ALL.
I don't care that much, I believe AI is more an evil thing than a solution
Basically yeah, so burn it all.
the bubble bursting is the best thing that can happen
@ThoriumBR lol, if you think for a hot second that he and all the other people that quit OpenAI are not bound by non-compete / confidentially clauses you got another thing coming
1:17 AM
@CaffeineAddiction you can set up somewhere where non competes are illegal
but I believe this schism will not lead to burnt companies, but another AI company not bound by the previous rules
they may be, but those clauses have a time frame, and it's not years long...
or if they have enough money just... tie it up in litigation
@JourneymanGeek not when the US Gov is considering if this type of AI is possibly a danger to national security you cant
@CaffeineAddiction the US government also wants to be ahead of china in stuff like this
so likely they're a potential source of funding
@JourneymanGeek that's why I believe Sam can start a new company and nobody will stop him
1:20 AM
@ThoriumBR I'm not convinced he'll get the traction
get the gov as a stakeholder, market the company as national security interest, and you are done
or he'll be doing whatever got him fired, getting a ton of money and building NPUs for example
BUT if he 'forks' and fails...
even better :D
on the short term, I'm also hoping things go horribly wrong and SE's corporate overlords get cold feet :D
OpenAI was valuated at around 90bi last week, I believe they will be less than half that on January 1st
if Sam does not get back...
Which is fine
valuations are entirely arbitrary anyway
If he does get back, he will be more powerful than before... if he does not get back, I believe he will get a new company and fire at OpenAI.
1:28 AM
@JourneymanGeek I mean ... things already are going horribly ... traffic is way way down
@CaffeineAddiction and they're convinced its chatgpt rather than years of shedding their core userbase
I mean, its both ... but its not like it really matters
shit is dead
eh, they're unwilling to try something old to try to fix it
./shrug ... im not sure its fixable at this point
Give it a year of... actually doing stuff we're asking for, and I'd be convinced its "cantfix" rather than "wontfix"
1:31 AM
@CaffeineAddiction it isn't fixable... its time passed
it's the new experts exchange...
lol, experts exchange ... what a joke
I remember that steaming pile of ....
was amusing as hell when it went full on pay wall
funny thing, I got to know them because of an article on "unfortunate domain names" and said that the domain could mean Expert Sex Change...
oof
to be fair, I once mentioned sec.se to a co-worker and they where very confused
@ThoriumBR I believe it can be but there's no desire to
there were other funny domains, but it was so long ago I would not be able to find the page anymore... I think
it isn't the original, but have some funny domains
Molestationnursery.com... how could that end up being registered...
 
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10:18 PM
> “Your actions have made it obvious that you are incapable of overseeing OpenAI,” the letter says. About 667 people have signed the letter. OpenAI has about 770 employees.
(https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/20/hundreds-of-openai-employees-threaten-to-follow-altman-to-microsoft-unless-board-resigns-reports-say.html)
> The letter says that Microsoft has “assured” those employees that they would have jobs at the new subsidiary, should they “choose to join.”
looks like it will be a fork... OpenAI burns down, and they become a MS subsidiary

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