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8:05 AM
I still wonder why somebody thought including JavaScript in PDFs was a good idea. Or remote resources. Or anything that is not simple text and images. The greatest threat in INFOSEC is "features". One day even plaintext might become a threat, because somebody will think of introducing a new Unicode character that allows code execution
 
 
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9:12 AM
It is pretty ridiculous, but considering that PDFs are brought to you but the same company that came up with the soon-to-be-defunct-for-constant-security-issues FlashPlayer, it's not really a surprise.
 
Do you use msfconsole of Armitage more? I generally prefer CLIs but I suppose Armitage has some extra functionalities.
 
I'm not a pentester, so... none of the above.
 
10:01 AM
I'm having trouble with using CTRL-z in msfconsole in non-meterpreter shells. It keeps backgrounding the wrong things and it's really troublesome to background just the shell inside msf. How do you deal with this?
 
 
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11:57 AM
Wow.....
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Q: Why do trolls' posts keep getting promoted and upvoted while truth-saying posts are deleted?

C. BoctorYesterday, I asked this question: How can Tutanota, ProtonMail and Hushmail all claim to provide privacy when they only allow privacy-incompatible payment options? It's now been "closed" as "off-topic", even though it couldn't possibly be more on-topic. Anyway, that is something I've come to expe...

"Truth-saying posts" :vomit:
 
1:00 PM
Thanks @Conor
 
Why is that post still on the main site? That should have been migrated to meta
 
@FireQuacker It occurred to me that Meta would be a better home for it, although it wasn't going to be well received anywhere so...
 
No, but it looks bad to have it on the main site
 
@reed RE your comment "the problem with "clear and concise questions" and "factual answers" is that they can only apply to well-established knowledge. But if you are interested in research and in the bleeding edge of things, you are necessarily going to need to exchange some opinions and start a debate. IMO "bad" (but not too bad) questions can be useful and should be allowed, as long as they attract good answers. [cut for chat length limit]"
 
hey guys! I am from Brazil and don't believe this, but it's true. One inmate on jail for some serious crimes (almost killing his wife, among others) had already escaped 4 times and got caught again. He was serving time on a federal prison. But he was a solder, and the prison gate was needing some repairs. The geniuses running the prison thought it was a good idea to take this guy, put soldering tools on his hands, and leave him OUTSIDE, ALONE...
they thought he would ask to be sent back to his jail... Guess what? He soldered the smaller gate shut, and soldered the main gate to the tracks, and obviously ran away...
 
1:04 PM
@reed I don't necessarily disagree. However in cases like this the OP is clearly far outside the bounds of "normal SE usage". Therefore it's not really the time for nuance.
SE itself can certainly be very restrictive though. There are definitely plenty who disagree with the overall stance, but all-in-all I don't mind and consider the focus here to be an advantage. There are millions of discussion sites on the internet, but the "focus" of SE keeps things a bit more contained and manageable. I appreciate that. It sets SE apart quite a bit, and gives it its own little niche.
There definitely needs to be some "wiggle room" at times, but in general I'm much happier with SE because it's not a discussion forum.
 
@FireQuacker I tried, however closing it on meta returns it to main - I'll probably just delete it
 
@ConorMancone, yeah, that last question wasn't appropriate anywhere IMO, not even on Meta. However the first question might have sparked some good answers with interesting stuff to learn. Of course I'm saying all this "in theory". In practice it's up to the moderation, and at the moment this policy won't be ok
 
@ThoriumBR What? Do prisoners have no honor? Somebody who would break the rules like that should go to jail!
 
@ConorMancone Epic question. Does this mean I am part of "the system" and involved in a big conspiracy to keep people down? Am I "the man" now? Finally I am getting somewhere in life!
 
@FireQuacker and this guy have already escaped 4 times, and always escaped using the internal jobs he had...
 
1:08 PM
@Anders I've always wanted to be "The Man", but I still haven't gotten my official card in the mail :(
 
and they give him a job outside, unguarded, with tools... he locked everyone inside and escaped. guards had to call a solder to cut open the soldering and release them...
 
@ThoriumBR Just.... wow....
 
@ConorMancone Me neither! I hope there is some kind of cool initiation ritual when you join the lizard council.
 
it's beyond stupid... beyond stupid.
 
The Three Stooges are real life...
 
1:10 PM
@ThoriumBR Random thought: is the death penalty a thing in Brazil?
 
I am sure they have been trying to execute prisoners for years. They just cant seem to find them.
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Any chance you have a news article you can link to (presumably in Portuguese)? I'd love to see it.
Your stories from Brazil are always great, but have the side effect of giving me a not-great opinion about the country over all...
 
officially? no. the maximum is 30 years, but you can get parole before in lots of cases.
non-officially? if the jail is overcrowded (almost all are), the mobs kill people who are not in their ranks and don't pay them...
 
@Anders lol, for that comment I declare you the official winner-of-the-internet for the day. You'll get your placard in the mail in a couple days.
 
Brazil is the Portuguese Russia guys...
or the Southern Florida
I will try to share good news from here too, to balance a little... but it's gonna be hard to find
 
1:13 PM
I complain about the US all the time, so I wouldn't worry about it too much :)
 
In my country they let mafia bosses out of prison because of Covid. I still have to understand why, but it's been a scandal
because I guess in jail the risk of contagion is high, the bosses are old, and so... yeah, home detention, hooray
 
here we did the same to the few politicians ever jailed for corruption...
 
speaking of countries, crime, and bad questions, I wonder if it would be ok on SE to ask why the majority of attacks and cyber criminals seem to come from specific areas. It's always Eastern Europe (especially Russia), sometimes China or Brazil, Nigeria / Ghana and that area for scams, and that's it
 
that's because of the risk/reward...
if someone from Denmark, for example, steals 200 EUR, he have enough to maybe 4-5 pizzas... if someone from Brazil does the same, he got a month's wages
 
Why not Argentina? Why aren't there a lot of famous hacking groups in France? Why don't most cyber criminals come from Zew Zealand? Australia? Peru? Canada? Norway?
 
1:28 PM
and the police is not going after someone down here for hacking into a foreign country...
 
I would guess it is not a question of "where they come from" but more a matter of jurisdiction and ability to persecute
If you are the Iranian government I bet you have to worry about US (especially US government) hackers as much as Chinese.
Certainly if I decided to embark upon a hacking career it wouldn't be hacking anyone in US or Europe
 
when working with the government, we were after a Brazilian group registering look-alike gov domains, and phishing gov employees... the guys were from Brazil, the domain was from Japan and all was host on France server belonging to a British company. Imagine the nightmarish jurisdiction mess you would have to untangle to take them down...
my idea: go on the phishing site, and log in with real honeypot admin credentials, and monitor the main site for anyone using that credential. if someone logged in with it, send a special javascript returning every single possible identification from the user: browser, plugins, all ip addresses, screen resolution, everything...
 
yeah, IMO it's all about some loophole in the law, somehow. But isn't it funny? I mean, it appears most cyber crime exists because the internet crosses borders and touches different jurisdictions. Same for privacy, I believe Tor wouldn't guarantee the same privacy if all its servers where in one single country (the US, for example).
someone who tries to break into your house must come from around there, not too far. Someone who port-scans your website, OTOH, might come form the other part of the world. I mean, it's crazy
 
I coded everything, tested, but the guys taking care of the official site delayed so long (20 days) to deploy one line of code plus one php file that when they told us they would do the change, the phishing site was offline
I don't think the main issue is the geographical distance... take the Sabu's lulzsec... he was in the US, hacking US targets... the problem is linking Sabu and Hector Xavier Monsegur
or linking dread pirate roberts and Ross William Ulbricht
even with entire FBI divisions knowing that dread pirate roberts was the mind behind silk road, and sabu was the mastermind of lulzsec, getting the person behind the handle takes time, and luck... it's way harder than setting a sting operation and nabbing drug dealers "on the act."
you set any online sting operation and you don't get people, you get a computer ID, an IP, a handle, and linking those to a person isn't always straightforward.
 
1:44 PM
yes, but when different countries are involved, things get way harder
 
sure, another country is another locked door...
but if you don't even know which building to start searching...
other jurisdiction helps when the TLA (three letter agency) already knows the person, and alas! they live on a hostile country...
 
I'm reading about the dude behind Silk Road, he was sentenced to life imprisonment + 40 years, unbelievable. I feel bad for him
 
like that defunct p2p community space station 5 (alive early 2000's) that was based on Palestine... good luck having them respond to DMCA take down requests...
 
@ConorMancone Clever attempt to fool me into doxxing myself! :-)
 
@reed I don't... he helped ruin the life of a LOT of people... I never feel sorry when a drug dealer is nabbed.
IIRC, he paid for a moderator to be tortured and killed
 
1:52 PM
@ThoriumBR, but people have always taken drugs, in all cultures, it's a losing battle, they should be legalized and controlled by the state. But anyway, that's not the point. The point is that life imprisonment for that seems too much.
 
I believe the "life in prison" was justified for hiring a gun...
"The evidence that Ulbricht had commissioned murders was considered by the judge in sentencing Ulbricht to life, and was a factor in the Second Circuit's decision to affirm the life sentence."
 
well, for that, maybe. However we all know all killers for hire on the Dark Web are just scams, lol
however I didn't take that into account, right. That's the actual bad part
 
nah, he was not sentenced to life in prison + 40 years... it was TWO lives in prison, plus 40 years...
 
Which in the US doesn't actually guarantee life in prison. I think in many cases a life sentence leaves you eligible for parole after 25 years
 
and I agree... some computer-related prison terms are way too high
I believe it's more to scare all others wannabe hackers into stopping than to be a fair correction
 
2:05 PM
The drug war is definitely stupid
A gigantic waste of time and money for everyone involved
 
yes, it's a losing battle... but I am not comfortable on turning drugs into groceries either...
they generate way too much money for people that don't care a single bit on their actions
 
There's a balance somewhere. Decriminalizing most of it would be a big improvement, even if it was still technically "illegal". It's especially stupid in the US where marijuana is both a "Schedule I" substance (which is basically defined as the "worst" class of drug - very harmful, very addicting, and no medicinal uses) and also now perfectly legal in most states
Everytime I'm reminded of its classification as a Schedule I drug it reminds me that this silly drug war is, in essence, completely politically motivated.
 
like all wars
 
 
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3:49 PM
@ConorMancone All you need is import does_halt in Python. I don't know why everyone is so mad about the halting problem
@ConorMancone It came from the hippie era. You couldn't ban hippies, but you could associate them with marijuana and declare that illegal
I'd love to record a metal album that is just me screaming at all kinds of stupid now-deleted posts, with some added distortion, strong EQ and some noise ontop
I'd just call it "Overflow", no band name
 
4:37 PM
@MechMK1 lol
 
5:01 PM
@ConorMancone I'd listen to it
 
It may be too true-to-life for me :)
 
Isn't that the best music
 

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