The DMZ

2:15 AM

Good Morning @defcon friends! It's time to wake up, get a coffee, and get down to the Biohacking Village for my 10:00 talk: WaterBot- The Hackable Plant Control System See you all there! 😁 @DC_BHV

Tweeted by BiaSciLab on August 11, 2018 at 3:38 PM

I love seeing kids get into hacking.

We need future generations to know this shit.

Or we're all fucked.

3:51 AM

Hi @forest

How was DEF CON?

I heard that "Just simply don't use wireless connections at defcon, otherwise you would be hacked immediately by someone" lol

Is it really true?

4:05 AM

It can be true, yes. There have been instances in the past where wireless comms have been compromised en masse.

For example seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Aug/76

6:08 AM

@forest how old is this kid?

Attending @r00tzasylum with wife and kids. Stepped out to talk to others @defcon. I get a text.

Tweeted by sethlaw on August 10, 2018 at 7:32 PM

6:25 AM

> Something about downloading a shark thing?

Ahaha, that's awesome.

@TomK. Dunno how old she is exactly. Seems she has a website, biascilab.com.

dude... she's 11

It's the same girl they're talking about then?

Pretty impressive imho

yeah

deffo

Looks like she does presentations. Might check that out. She seems bright.

took me more than 11 years to learn how to use wireshark

6:29 AM

It seems this is so rare now. In the past, kids left and right would learn this sort of thing. I mean how many people here cut their teeth on an Amiga or Spectrum machine, playing with BASIC? Back when people didn't call tech support when they had problems, but used POKEs and shit to troubleshoot. Now days kids only use fucking cellphones and tablets and don't know jack about computers, so seeing a little girl who actually knows about packet capturing is refreshing.

It's kind of sad to realize that most script kiddies know less than a little girl...

I just hope she doesn't become a media whore with the popularity her twitter brings. It's easy to fall into that trap if people keep complimenting you instead of challenging you to learn more and improve yourself. Just my 2¢.

well.. our systems were wide open

there's no BASIC on iOS

pretty sure there are lot of curious kids out there though

they just don't hang out in places we hang out

when I was 13, people our age (30+) where the oldest people on earth to me

There's nothing but icons on iOS, which makes it a terrible way for people to learn.

All those curious kids will have stunted intellectual growth due to the corporate race to the bottom in their attempt to dumb down everything as much as possible.

With precious few exceptions.

6:51 AM

you are too pessimist about this

I'm probably not the first one to tell you this

Better to be a pessimist who gets a nice surprise than an optimist who is sorely disappointed. And no, you are not the first. :P

hmm

counterpoint:

as an optimist I am in a good mood 90% of the time, and get disapointed from time to time. as a pessimist you are in a bad 90% of the time and get a nice surprise from time to time

touché

Anonymous

I've walked in at a great time :D

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Anonymous

Morning all.

6:55 AM

morning

Anonymous

I wish I started at 11 :'(

Maybe my standards are too high for what I consider a decent society.

Anonymous

(Sorry just catching up, lol)

I see all these kids with their face in their phones on Facebook and compare it to kids like this little girl who are so rare now days, and I can't help but to feel ashamed to be human. It was us who made people like this so rare.

because we are scaring the hell out of people all day?
"Everything is insecure, bruh!"

6:58 AM

Probably

Anonymous

In that way I an an exception Forest, I don't use social media, I don't use my phone except for work purposes (I don't even like owning one) and I try to spend the majority of my time learning and the occasional socialising when I find someone I like lol.

@Joshua.J You are not the average citizen :P

@TomK. I mean it's true. The average person worries about getting their SSN stolen or maybe getting on a spamlist. I have to worry about BGP hijacking, supply chain compromise, and CPU microarchitectural flaws. The kind of things that many people don't even believe is possible. Then when you know folks with some of the most terrifying 0days or disturbing access to L1 network infrastructure, things get even worse.

Anonymous

Social media is a factor to the reason why millennials (like myself) are called: self-entitled, lazy, unmotivated, work-shy, insert one of another one thousand things here

@Joshua.J To be fair, the same was true for every other generation.

But that doesn't mean it's not still really, really bad.

Anonymous

Yeah I guess you're right.

Anonymous

7:00 AM

It's just funny how people would rather stare at Instagram than have a conversation.

Anonymous

I mean I might be a boring person to most, but if you're more interested by how many fucking 1s you have on your profile I think you're the boring one.

@Joshua.J says the most socially awkward person ever? O.o

Anonymous

Yeah Tom :D

what... 1... what?

Anonymous

I mean I am really socially awkward that is true.

7:02 AM

@TomK. Number of upvotes, I take it.

Er, number of likes.

Or whatever terminology Instagram uses.

haha

Anonymous

But even if I wasn't I would hate using those platforms.

lol

you are on a platform right now

Anonymous

Yes but this isn't a...

Those platforms :P

Anonymous

7:02 AM

It's not...

Not all platforms are equal.

typing bullshit into a text box for likes

Anonymous

Yeah, I don't know really how to say it.

Anonymous

This isn't a social media site as such.

Anonymous

Yeah like that Tom.

7:03 AM

yeah, I'm pretty sure it is :P

Anonymous

I rarely speak to people in real life because I am socially upside down, but when I find someone I want to talk to I will talk to them (or attempt to)

Anonymous

It just makes me sad that people will be talking to a person then just pull up Instagram or some shit.

@TomK. It doesn't have the same culture.

Anonymous

"Give me a sec Rebecca just commented on my picture"

Anonymous

It's just sad.

7:04 AM

It's not the platform itself that matters, but the people who use it.

don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against people using social media sites. but don't complain about it while chatting on one

don't all people use instagram?

I don't even know what the front page looks like.

Anonymous

I guess my complaint isn't the platform.

Anonymous

It's the people I suppose.

me neither

Anonymous

7:05 AM

That makes three of us.

but you could find your cohort/peer group/whatever

300M people or something?

Anonymous

Well, maybe so.

Anonymous

I guess what I really have a problem with is the people in that case.

The problem is that much social media is... braindead. Here we actually can discuss things that do not take three and a half atrophied neurons to contemplate.

Anonymous

Never really thought about it too hard, I just see it occasionally when I decide to leave my home.

Anonymous

7:07 AM

Also, I have no interest in listening to what you had for dinner on a regular basis.

Anonymous

Sure if I am friends with you I might act interested.

I found that when I got older I found more and more comprehension for most people around me.

And constantly seeing kids with their head bowed down staring at their phone, knowing they aren't learning anything, studying, analyzing a fascinating point of view, and instead just trying to make themselves more popular with other sheep is depressing. Hell, even when they play video games they suck, like that watered down version of Pokemon.

you get depressed easily :|

Anonymous

I convert my videos to MP3s and listen to them whenever I leave the house :p

7:08 AM

Gross, at least convert it to Vorbis or Opus!

Anonymous

But if someone talks to me, I attempt to say something :o

I played video games all my life. I wasted so much time doing bullshit. I will never complain about people doing nothing with their time

At least the video games you played were (likely) classics :P

Anonymous

Yeah that isn't my complaint either Tom, not really.

Anonymous

Sometimes I think people are just too obsessed by superficial friends.

7:09 AM

Games that go down in history for their creativity and whose culture permeates our own. Compared to things like Pokemon Go which will be forgotten in 5 years.

Consider Candy Crush vs The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.

Which is better to waste time playing?

@Joshua.J People always have been, people always will be.

you sound like my mum, forest

Anonymous

Yeah you're right Tom.

World of ... what craft? Or playing outside? Which is better?

@TomK. People have always been obsessed with superficial friends, but only modern media platforms allows people to believe they have thousands of such friends.

heh

But WoW went down in history. Pokemon Go will not (judging by the reception curve).

cool, so I wasted my time with something that went down in history?!

Anonymous

7:12 AM

My main distaste is self-entitlement.

that's so much better that what teens are doing today

Anonymous

I mean as you said it existed before.

Better waste time with hours of good video games that make you think than hours of bad video games and then hours of tweeting about how your fucking toast tasted.

Anonymous

But everyone at my school (and probably me at times) thought they deserved something for pretty much no other reason than they're them.

Anonymous

And now I work really hard, and I still have friends from school (I know me, friends? lol) that tell me "I don't get it, your job is easy how do you earn that much money I can't get a job"

7:13 AM

@Joshua.J Really, I heard the complaint about self-entitlement about hundred times more often that I actually witnessed self-entitlement

Anonymous

And you ask them how many jobs they've applied for and it's "none" every single damn time.

@TomK. Think of the giddy nostalgia when hearing that beautiful jingle when you unlock a lock in Zelda. No one is going to feel that when they hear the jingle for some crappy freemium video game that will be the big new thing for all of 3 months.

Anonymous

@TomK. Oh, well I witnessed it on a daily basis in school.

I witness it constantly as well, fwiw.

@forest maybe not. but you cannot (and should not) judge other people's joys and pleasures

7:15 AM

Though I don't think it's unique to millenials in any way.

Anonymous

Maybe it's because of where I am from? A lot of fucking rich kids, I don't know.

Anonymous

Either way, I witness it far too often especially from friends.

Anonymous

And then I wonder why I am actually friends with them.

@Joshua.J probably because you have no instagram

Anonymous

I hate it, so much.

Anonymous

7:16 AM

This need to take a picture of yourself every 30 seconds makes me feel physically sick.

other people hate what you (we) do, so much

Anonymous

But hey, if people enjoy it as long as they actually have an aspiration in life then whatever.

chatting with internet weirdos. wtf?

so what? who cares?

@TomK. That's because they do not understand it (although some of us actually do some nasty things). It actually has substance. They fear or hate it because it is too complex for them, not because it is too simple.

E.g. the fear of hackers.

@forest but I'm talking about the simple stuff

Anonymous

7:18 AM

Well, I care about people not having aspirations because those are the ones that usually either don't work at all.

grown men watching animes

Anonymous

Or complain they're in a dead end job.

I don't spend 6 hours a day watching anime :P

Anonymous

And that's just another case of "I am me, I deserve this!" :D

you don't want them to care. so why do you care about their freetime activities?

well.. maybe with the dead end jobs

@Joshua.J I really know nobody who is like this.

but I wouldnt call that self-entitlement

7:20 AM

@TomK. I want the person who designs the reliability software on the 180,000 pound hunk of metal flying through the sky at 600 mph to be the guy who knew the internals of MS-DOS since they were 10, not the guy who spent all of age 6 to age 20 refreshing the same page to see if other people liked their naïve political comment.

okay. other people want the guy who is looking after their supply chain to not be a "weirdo who watches pedo animes with little girls, like wtf?!?"

(not my point of view, but you know that people see it like this)

Fortunately, pedophiles and weaboos are just as capable at looking after their supply chain. Sheep who have no experience in the real world are not.

and sorry, but that is the biggest comment of self-entitlement up there

I WANT IT LIKE THIS! MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

Or "I want it like this, but I know it will never happen because everything sucks"

everything is so bad around me! everybody should be like me!

yeah, or like that <:

7:22 AM

I mean I don't care how people spend their free time. I care about how people expand their understanding of the world and the people in it.

okay, this has been fun. I gotta go back earning money

peace out, people. get some optimism into your brains

love ya

Thankfully I have a few more hours before I have to go and make money :P

So a little bit of free time left for me to... actually learn things.

(i.e. reading the 3500 page spec for 802.11 and probably understanding none of it)

@TomK. When you get back, just compare these two tweets by two different children and tell me which of them you think has more going on in their heads:

I pet Blaine. He is a rescue who was brought to Chicago from Alabama. Blaine was adopted from @onetailatatime . He is a 3 year old rat terrier, hound mix. Blaine likes to run all over the house, but after a long walk he gets lazy and sleeps.

Tweeted by IvePetThatDog on May 14, 2018 at 9:39 PM

...or...

Good Morning @defcon friends! It's time to wake up, get a coffee, and get down to the Biohacking Village for my 10:00 talk: WaterBot- The Hackable Plant Control System See you all there! 😁 @DC_BHV

Tweeted by BiaSciLab on August 11, 2018 at 3:38 PM

I would hope that the choice is obvious.

Anonymous

7:38 AM

lol

Anonymous

Maybe I am too pessimistic.

Anonymous

Guess that's just how I am shrug

Anonymous

And I don't want people to be like me.

> The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.
-George Will

Anonymous

But it's sad when I see people on their phones when they go out for a meal with their family or significant other.

Anonymous

7:40 AM

That's all.

Anonymous

As for not knowing people like that Tom, you're not from my generation of people - I am not saying you didn't have people like that.

Anonymous

But my school was filled with the,.

Anonymous

Them*

Anonymous

They wanted things but when you asked them what they're doing to obtain it, it was always the same answer "Not much"

Anonymous

There are people from your generation like it at work as well - they say "I am studying for my CCNP R&S" which is a great thing! But then six months pass and it's "Hows the study going?" and they're always like "Yeah well, not great, I've had a break because the TV was really good these past few weeks and you know I will get back on it soon"

Anonymous

7:43 AM

And then another 6 months and they're still not any closer and they wonder why they aren't on the money they want to be on...

Anonymous

I guess I've just always been taught (specifically by my father because my mother is not like this at all) that if you want something, you've got to fucking work for it and the longer you wait, the more time you're wasting and the work doesn't stop when you get it, because then you hold onto that thing and work to stop people taking it.

Well it's not just that (the idea that people are lazy). It's the idea that they do not even try to improve their own understanding of the world. I mean I can understand that some people have a hard time keeping down a job or want more things than they are willing to work for, but it's the people who don't at least try to learn something new and instead become a conformist sheep that really piss me off.

Anonymous

Yeah, I am not going to go into my whole life story - but I guess the reason why I think the way I do, the whole reason why I cannot stand people just asking for things and not doing anything about it is that we were fucking broke.

Anonymous

You wouldn't know it because I've never said it, you wouldn't think it because of where I live now, but we used to be broke and now we're not.

Anonymous

So I guess that's why I have such a dislike for people that tell me my job is easy and they could do it "all I need is my CCNA, that's easy" then you tell them to study for it and they say "well, yeah but it takes too much of my time, I'd rather work in the store" and a few minutes later they're crying about their hourly rate.

Anonymous

7:52 AM

Maybe I take the world around me too seriously, I don't know. But if it makes me a bad person for wanting the best out of my life and working hard to get it and hard to keep it then I guess I am a bad person, I don't see an issue with wanting the same for other people :)

Anonymous

I'm not at all saying that I am never like that, I know at times I have done it, I think everyone at times has complained about something and then when someone tells them "Just do it then, stop complaining" they still haven't done it - it's only human, in-fact I did it last week, not in the work arena in a completely different arena but the same principle applies.

Anonymous

(Now I am doing a Forest and ranting to myself ;) )

Q: Why does my x86 shellcode test program segfault?

:P

Anonymous

lol.

Anonymous

8:09 AM

Back to the realms of reality - why the f*ck does this question have so many upvotes?

Anonymous

6

I am trying to learn how to create shellcode, my goal is to call execve(). I wrote the code in assembly and it works perfectly, there are no null-bytes or absolute addressing methods. The code works fine, but when I copy the opcodes into a c program and test it to see if it works it returns segme...

Anonymous

It literally even says in the body "but when I copy the opcodes into a c program and test it to see if it works it returns segmentation fault. What is the problem?" - when did that become security?

Anonymous

I must've been too busy ranting at buses when that happened, lol.

Anonymous

Out of curiosity, where do you think I would be able to post a question on Cisco Prime in regards to using a certain syntax to obtain a result?

8:34 AM

It hit HNQ.

Anonymous

That explains everything. What really annoys me is the fact that now people will actually think that's what we do here.

Hm, perhaps the networking site? I'm sure it depends on exactly what result you want, and whether or not it is specifically related to networking configuration. Otherwise maybe just Super User (but expect it to take ages to get an answer).

Anonymous

And whilst I (and probably others) flagged that question, those flags aren't publicly displayed, the question is still up and people are now going to jump to the conclusion that questions like that are allowed.

Well I added a close vote to migrate elsewhere.

At least it's not too off-topic, not like that recent question on how to install a given addon for Firefox.

Anonymous

Yeah I thought network-engineering but it's an SNMP tool, so I don't think it really belongs there. I think Super User will be my best choice I agree, but I expect it will take a good few months to get an answer.

Anonymous

8:36 AM

As it's a really specific question.

Anonymous

Yes that's true Forest.

9:00 AM

dogs are cute, lul

oh god..

someone just said in an interview, that there were never any deliberate attacks on our infrastructure. this is a) not true, and b) the best invitation for deliberate attacks on our infrastructure.

Anonymous

I am assuming what they meant to say is - "There were never any deliberate attacks on our infrastructure that we know about"

Q: How to purchase Microsoft Office 365 for MAC

which would also be not true. we know about some attacks

Anonymous

lol.

Anonymous

0

My boss's Microsoft office 365 has expired. He asked me to prepare necessary documents required to purchase another one. I do now have an idea on how to purchase such because he is using MACbook. I never had background on MAC. Do I need to specify to purchase an installer or just purchase a licen...

macosx microsoft

Anonymous

Sighs

9:12 AM

great question

Anonymous

If I could upvote 10x I would! :D

what I never understand with these questions is, that it is so much more effort to make a posting here, than to google this in 5 seconds

Anonymous

Yup, it's baffling.

Anonymous

What also baffles me is how does he actually think that is on-topic here? I mean, I would rather he doesn't think it's on-topic because if he actually thinks it's on-topic that is worse...

They stumble on a site and see a button labeled "ask question".

9:21 AM

@Joshua.J that doesn't make it better. This doesn't mean you block attck, this mean you don't even know how to see if there are any

@TomK. And whose infrastructure is this? :P

@forest yo mammas

Anonymous

Well I am not saying it makes it better.

Anonymous

I am just sdaying.

Anonymous

Saying*

Anonymous

9:22 AM

Nevermind.

even if you knew, then what? :P

But I already have root in my mom's network!

Anonymous

Knowing about something is better than not knowing about it in this case, is it not?

Anonymous

I would rather know my network has been attacked than not know about it..

Anonymous

Is that not a logical thing to think?

9:23 AM

@Joshua.J well, even in apple.SE it would probably be closed, no?

@TomK. Eh, it's fun to pwn the infrastructure managed by dumb people.

You know it's true!

Anonymous

I'm so confused what we're talking about now..

Anonymous

>.<

An interview with an idiot and a question from an idiot.

sure. Therefore, "yup, there was lot of attack. all of them succeed" is even better than "attacks? what is this? no, we have probably never been attacked"

even if you aren't able to block them, beeing aware of attacks is at least something

9:25 AM

Indeed. If they answer the former, I can assure you that they can beef up their security 500% trivially. If they answer the latter, nothing will change.

Anonymous

Oh.

Anonymous

But what is " well, even in apple.SE it would probably be closed, no?" in regards to?

Anonymous

God I am dense. Ignore me.

@Joshua.J I asked forest why he wanted to know, what infrastructure it is

Wow high network latency really fucks with this chat.

Double posting and double deleting, sheesh.

9:27 AM

the infrastructure isn't managed by dumb people

it is just represented to the public by dumb people ;)

Anonymous

Nevermind, I am just struggling to keep up.

Anonymous

Words are hard!

they truly are

@TomK. Then tell me the infra and we'll see if they're dumb or not :D

Anonymous

You would've thought after around 14 years of not being able to understand people often I would've got used to it by now.

Anonymous

9:28 AM

That is not the case however, it would be easier if we all just never spoke lol.

FWIW, I have more long-living root shells on systems where the company/admin thinks they're invulnerable than on systems where they admin they have a problem.

Anonymous

Good Lord, what is happening.

Happening to you as well, the chat interface barfing?

Anonymous

Yeah it's going nuts.

Anonymous

I tried to edit and it just posted as a new message then it just spiked backwards 10 messages crashed and came back, lol.

9:31 AM

Good to know my router doesn't have down syndrome. I thought it was just me.

This is why we should use something tried and true like IRC or XMPP.

Anonymous

I've never even heard of XMPP.

Anonymous

That's either due to my age or my stupidity. As for IRC, it's just a protocol, so I will have used it a lot without even realising, lol.

It's the backend protocol to several chat systems like Google's and Kik.

Similar to IRC, but federated.

Anonymous

So XMPP is just a protocol as well, gotcha'.

Well I dunno about that, IRC is most often used on its own. It's rare that it's the backend to some other system (since it's far too limited to be used as anything else).

Anonymous

9:34 AM

Hmm. Maybe they've just used it front-end with a fancy design then.

@Joshua.J at least english is your native language. I sometimes really strugles to understand things, even more when there is subtility, sarcasm and such.

Anonymous

Who knows, I don't know a lot about a lot of things so. shrug

Anonymous

@Kepotx Yes, that is true, I can imagine that causes a lot more problems. As for sarcasm, don't worry, I rarely if at all understand it.

Anonymous

Goes completely over my head (unfortunately)

Watch the South Park episode on Sarcastiball :P

Anonymous

9:36 AM

Because it's funny or because it will help? lol.

Both, actually.

That episode has a lot of fairly exaggerated sarcasm (in terms of tone/inflection), enough to make it pretty obvious what it is. And it's also funny.

@deviantollam @olmaverick @jaysonstreet @defcon I had some hookers wanting me to take them to my room and teach them to program last night.

Tweeted by Regardless_ on August 13, 2018 at 12:52 AM in reply to deviantollam

wow

Anonymous

Hmm, I've never been much of a fan of Southpark I must admit.

Anonymous

Sometimes I can understand sarcasm, other days not at all. Just like some days I take everything literally and people get frustrated at me, other days it's not so bad.

Anonymous

I've learned mostly just not to ask people to explain things constantly if I am the only one not getting it. Shrug

Anonymous

In other news, my flag percentage dropped from 98% to 96.41% - FeelsBadMan.jpg

Anonymous

9:42 AM

And lol. I really hope that is true, probably best not to open that for now.

What Kepotx said is damn true for me also

about strugle to know if it's sarcasm when you aren't really fluent?

I had to really struggle sometimes to understand the english slangs

Yes keptox

Anonymous

Yeah, English slang is completely understandable.

well, i think this kind of things (with knowledge of diferent accent, understanding local slangs and such) is one of things that make the diference between good-enoguh speaker and fluent speaker

Anonymous

9:46 AM

But I don't think we use much "slang" here really.

But we do use idioms.

@Joshua.J because english is your native language

If I said "speak for yourself", it would not be slang, but it might be difficult for a non-native speaker to quickly understand (since, when you really think about it, the phrase makes little sense).

Anonymous

No Daya not because of that.

Anonymous

I don't think we use much slang here at all.

Anonymous

9:48 AM

In general I think this remains a mostly slang free chat.

I am not saying we uses slangs here

@Joshua.J "by the skin of my teeth" or "beat around the bush" isn't slang, but not many non-native speakers can quickly pick up what it means!

Anonymous

I am confused.

Anonymous

Why did you post "@Joshua.J because english is your native language"?

Anonymous

I don't get what that was in response to?

9:49 AM

@Joshua.J Because you can understand idioms without having to think twice.

Anonymous

@forest Yeah I agree.

So they appear to not even be present.

i think he mean that as a native speaker, you don't always realize how much slang you can use

Anonymous

Oh.

It's like an accent. If you have one, you don't notice it.

9:50 AM

it seems natural for you while for us it's strange words

You got the answer @Joshua.J :)

Anonymous

But still, as Forest said I think we use idioms but not slang so much.

Anonymous

I mean I may be an English speaker that is true, but regardless of that, slang is completely different.

The only real difference is that slang is highly localized and short-lived.

Anonymous

Exactly, even Forest wouldn't understand most of the slang we say here.

Anonymous

9:51 AM

And his first language is English AFAIK.

Indeed, but I understand even less of, say, Japanese idioms, even common ones. After all, I am not a native Japanese speaker.

slang can really be problematic. I have no problem to understand southpark in english, but strugle to understand everything in misfits

Anonymous

That is why I don't really use British slang here.

Anonymous

I don't think anyone except a Brit would understand most of it.

well, there is british and british slang

Anonymous

9:52 AM

...

Anonymous

I know?

i have no real problem to understand it crowd or monty python

Anonymous

Oh.

British slang is often part of the British stereotype.

Anonymous

Yes, however we do have some ridiculous slang.

Anonymous

9:53 AM

But as you said it's very localised.

so it's not an american english vs british english problem, it's really specific british slang

Since the stereotypical Brit uses a huge amount of slang, a lot of other people become used to it (through stereotypes), even if they don't really understand it.

And other things like:- huh, Aww, lul, wdym, igs, potw etc.

I am having trouble to undertand these

Anonymous

For example in London, you will hear a lot of "wagwan blud" and most people have no idea what that means.

@daya To be fair, I only understand 4 of those.

Anonymous

9:54 AM

I wouldn't say that is slang.

Anonymous

It's just lazy Daya.

Text-speak acronyms are hard for a lot of native English speakers too.

Anonymous

Whereas where I live, you hear slang but it's not like that. Nobody uses "wagwan" here.

Anonymous

Or blud.

@Joshua.J Yeah I have no idea what that means lol

Anonymous

9:55 AM

It just means like.. "Hello friend" or "Hello brother"

O_o

Anonymous

Then over the other side of the river and in the East you've got Cockney rhyme & slang.

Anonymous

So like "apples and pears"

Anonymous

For stairs.

see the list of weird slangs makeuseof.com/tag/…

Anonymous

9:56 AM

And yes people actually talk like that in England Forest.

Anonymous

I only know things like that because that's how people spoke where I grew up (the first one)

To be honest what is really understand is wtf, lol, lmfao etc. which are more common in chats

Anonymous

They're not really slang, but yes I think the common ones are easy to understand.

Well lul (as you pointed out before) is just a corruption of lol.

also, when you don't know the meaning of acronyms/abreviations, i think it's much more easy to find it (with the context, not using google) in your native language than in a foreign one

Anonymous

9:58 AM

I've got no idea what half of the ones you said earlier are.

Occasionally you'll find lel or kek (which are more common to the 4chan crowd).

Anonymous

Plus, I don't think many people actually speak like that anymore.

They're a bit of a shibbolith tbh.

Anonymous

I mean 12 year olds yes.

Anonymous

But I don't think anyone my age is saying "wbu?" anymore.

9:59 AM

But very rarely.

I see hbu sometimes (how about you).

And I don't understand the actual meaning of lol or lmfao i.e. "laughing my ass off"

What does mean it?

Anonymous

lmfao?

Anonymous

Laughing my fucking ass off.