The DMZ

Terry Chia

2:00 PM

@AviD hahaha!

Simon

@AviD Have I been constantly drunk since then?

Terry Chia

Ok everyone, let's all change our gravatars daily to mess with @lynks.

Simon

@ScottPack To be fair, I might be that way too because I immediately noticed that you had a new avatar.

Scott Pack

My gram gram doesn't handle change well either. I never thought of you people as 93 year old hill folk.

Simon

Or at least another avatar.

lynks

2:02 PM

@TerryChia if you swapped with other people, that would be worse. Some of the less-frequent visitors I would definitely get mixed up.

Simon

@ScottPack When I was your age, I had to swim through the ocean to get to school.

lynks

@ScottPack what if I told you im >90?

Adnan

Test test

Finally!

lynks

@Adnan nope that didn't work.

Adnan

Apparently you can't login to the chat if you're using FoxyProxy

Scott Pack

2:04 PM

So I'm guessing you guys wouldn't handle this all that well

26

Q: Paddington Bear Choppertar

Many of our top users seem to have avatars with a picture of themselves in a car with what appears to me to be Paddington Bear: So what is the story behind this?

Adnan

(I redirect non-HTTPS traffic through SSH)

Scott Pack

@lynks meh

Simon

@lynks Where has @ScottPack gone? Do you know?

lynks

@Simon there appears to be two of them.

Adnan

A reopen vote needed here

1

Q: Applications forwarding ports automatically?

I just started to explore my router and am a newbie at networking, but when I went to forward a port to one of my computers I noticed that several ports were already being forwarded to ports on various machines on the network with services like Skype and uTorrent listening. I know no one touched...

ports routing

Simon

2:07 PM

Do I have enough rep to do that?

lynks

@Adnan the problem is every IT question has a security angle (which, incidentally, is why I like security)

Adnan

@Simon You don't have enough rep to do anything

Simon

@Adnan QQ

lynks

@Adnan but this one is probably on the fence as it stands, I'll vote for you :P

Adnan

@lynks I fully agree. On border cases, I'm always on the VTC side.

But I think this is leaning more to what we're looking for in a question

TildalWave

2:18 PM

@Adnan voted to open before, looking forward to good uPnP answers ;)

Adnan

@TildalWave I'm writing one..

Simon

@Adnan He asked for a good answer.

Xander

@Adnan Disagree. This is a networking question. Yes, it's got a significant security component, but so does "How do I configure my ASA?" and that's not on-topic here either.

Adnan

@Xander You and AviD are making the same irrelevant argument.

TildalWave

> Are there any security implications with enabling UPnP?

Adnan

2:22 PM

The question isn't about "How I do stuff"

TildalWave

basically, this is the question ^^

Adnan

it's about "if I do X, will there be security implications?"

which is VERY on-topic

not only that, it hasn't been addressed before on Sec.SE

You guys are basically strawmanning the heck out of the question

TildalWave

@Adnan just checking that actually, but so far it seems that's true

Xander

@Adnan Eh, ok, so of the two paragraphs and three questions he posed, one of them in on-topic.

And...It's drawn a lovely answer.

Adnan

@Xander If that's sarcastic, I agree.

Xander

2:25 PM

@Adnan It was. :-)

Adnan

@Xander I wanted to -1 it, but it doesn't cut my code

not sure if that's the correct expression

Simon

Jesus, no wonders why my answers get upvoted if this dude has 5 upvotes with that answer.

"What are the security implications..." Answer: "Obviously this also implies some security risks"

Good job, brah.

Xander

@Adnan I know what you mean. It doesn't meet my criteria for a downvote either.

TildalWave

@Adnan maybe that it doesn't cross the threshold of your patience?

Terry Chia

Can someone propose a sarcasm markdown on meta.SO?

TildalWave

2:29 PM

@TerryChia what like adding [random bitching] and it inserts a random quote off YouTube comments?

copy

You could use en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation

Adnan

@copy You've just started an Irony vs. Sarcasm fight

Simon

@Adnan Definitely 2 different things.

copy

It says irony or sarcasm

TildalWave

oh the irony!

I'm being sarcastic

Adnan

2:30 PM

@Simon Are they?

Simon

@Adnan No.

Adnan

> Sarcasm, at a sarcasmaholic meeting? Noooo

Simon

God, earth will explode because of us.

copy

Only stupid people think there's a difference

Simon

@Adnan Haha.

TildalWave

2:31 PM

@copy I think there's a difference! :P

Adnan

@TildalWave Then you're stupid people

Simon

@TildalWave Was he being sarcastic, or were you? Your emote suggests that you weren't though.

TildalWave

it's ironic how you fell for my sarcasm, innit?

Adnan

Damn it. No matter what @copy says, I cannot even begin to be mad at him. His avatar is so adorable.

Simon

@Adnan Bahaha.

TildalWave

2:33 PM

@Adnan and he digs brainfuck :)

Someone, ping me

@Adnan DING

@Adnan

@Adnan ping yourself

NEEEEAT!

2:33 PM

@Adnan @Adnan @Adnan @Adnan @Adnan @Adnan @Adnan @Adnan

Adnan

I'm playing with desktop notifications

TildalWave

@Adnan the script off [stackapps.SE]?

Adnan

@TildalWave No, just in Chrome

Simon

ping: unknown host adnan

:(

Adnan

@Simon It's awrite

Simon

2:39 PM

The program 'awrite' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install atm-tools

?????

Terry Chia

@Simon Tools to hack atms?

Simon

@TerryChia Damn, it looks like it!

TildalWave

Question... it seems my answer was accepted where The Bear posted an answer that's upvoted about 4x as much... should I fear for my life? I upvoted The Bear's answer, does that save my soul?

copy

Consider moving to Ecuador

Simon

@TildalWave It was nice knowing you.

TildalWave

2:42 PM

hehe yeah it was nice knowing me

Adnan

Asynchronous Transfer Mode

Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) is, according to the ATM Forum, "a telecommunications concept defined by ANSI and ITU (formerly CCITT) standards for carriage of a complete range of user traffic, including voice, data, and video signals". ATM was developed to meet the needs of the Broadband Integrated Services Digital Network, as defined in the late 1980s, ATM is a core protocol used over the SONET/SDH backbone of the public switched telephone network (PSTN) and Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN), but its use is declining in favour of all IP. ATM provides functionality that is ...

Simon

@Adnan I prefer Terry's version.

Adnan

@copy Any good food there?

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Nah, what happens is that you will slowly mutate into The Bear's sockpuppet.

The only way to avoid this is to sacrifice 500 rep to The Bear.

Simon

That sounds awful.

Adnan

2:58 PM

@Simon Everybody here has already done it

We all give our sacrifices to The Bear.

Last time The Bear asked for virgins.

We sent him @Lucas

Simon

looooooooooool

Is this the reason why you accept new people into the cummunity?

Adnan

SHIT! He's onto us!!!

TildalWave

damn damn damn... VTCed as OT, and by mistake didn't include custom text (I pressed to vote to close by mistake before I did).... how is that even possible?

It even inserted a comment automatically as "This question appears to be off-topic because" :))

Adnan

@TildalWave Just edit the comment

Whiner!

TildalWave

@Adnan hehe... neah I already said in one of my previous comments that the question is off-topic, so I deleted that automatically inserted comment

Adnan

3:11 PM

0

Q: What steps are performed when a serious event reaches an Intrusion Detection System?

For example, you are using Snort and you just got a serious event, which states that a certain service is attacked. What do you do with the threat source IP? What are the steps that network event analyst performs?

network ids

I guess an eligible answer would have to include every page from every book ever written on security.

Simon

Question #2 the first step would be to call home and say that you're gonna be late.

Scott Pack

@Adnan I disagree. That was an exceptionally easy question to answer.

Simon

@ScottPack Wow.

Scott Pack

What?

Simon

@ScottPack You are amazing.

Thomas Pornin

3:22 PM

Dammit, the "openPC" question has been closed

what will happen to my draft answer, then ?

Simon

@TildalWave A wild bear appears, run!

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Say the word, we can open it

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan I say !

Xander

@ThomasPornin I've voted to reopen. I like the question.

Adnan

Open votes on this one

0

Q: Alternatives to the "open PC" security model

Today, PCs (laptops, desktops, etc.) generally work under what I'll call the "open PC" security model. Users have full, system administrator/developer-level access to their own machine. Users can install arbitrary software of their choice onto their PC. That software can do anything, or at lea...

mobile operating-systems hardening desktop architecture

We need 2

TildalWave

3:24 PM

@Simon I'm in potential trouble with his other persona, the one that we rarely see in DMZ, maybe I'm still safe?

Simon

@TildalWave I've seen him last week, I swear.

TildalWave

@Simon well yes it happens

Adnan

@ScottPack I have mixed feelings about your answer

TildalWave

@Adnan put some ice on it!

Scott Pack

@Adnan It's both precisely correct and not nearly enough at thte same time.

Adnan

3:27 PM

@ScottPack Oh no, I'm not saying it's incorrect.

I mean I could write an answer that says:

> The appropriate reaction to a threat is to react appropriately to the threat

It'd still be correct, but...

Scott Pack

@Adnan That's pretty much what I said.

What they're really asking for, though they may not realize it, is for an incident handling procedure.

Adnan

@ScottPack I phrased it that way to help you see how ridiculous that sounds (as a Sec.SE answer)

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave What did you do ?

Adnan

@ThomasPornin He got his answer accepted instead of yours

Simon

@Adnan Oh god. RUN.

Scott Pack

3:31 PM

@ThomasPornin I think he said something rather disparaging about ursine mating techniques.

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin I didn't do anything... some disrespectful punk accepted my answer where your answer had 4x as many upvotes :}

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave That can be good -- a potential "Populist" gold badge.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin You cocky Bear!

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan and he sent me back

:(

I have an answer about crypto somewhere on here which also has a bear answer, but mine got accepted instead :O

I expected a black hole to appear any minute

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin It's not really a popular question... I have 2 upvotes now and the question is almost a week old. Maybe in time, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up, unless you demand upvotes here on us both, then see if subjects are respectful :))

Thomas Pornin

3:41 PM

The "openPC" question is still not reopened... who here did not immediately comply to my expressed wishes ?

Simon

Those who do not have enough rep to do so.

Lucas Kauffman

@ThomasPornin I'll do that after dinner

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Because you know, pressing reopen takes much much longer than writing that message

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin link please

nvm found it... and I didn't want to close it either, I think it's actually a good question... damn kids!! :))

OK it's reopened... I did save the list of those that closed it for future reference tho, so we can send them bad vibes telepathically and make them drop their coffee mugs and trip over their cats or something like that

Adnan

3:57 PM

@ThomasPornin Have at it. It's yours

TildalWave

@Simon was that a moar upvotes request?

Simon

@TildalWave I'd never do a such thing.

WINKY WINK

TildalWave

because rep whoring is completely acceptable here... in fact, it's expected and sometimes even openly encouraged

Simon

I wanna be the biggest whore.

Adnan

@TildalWave Well, rep-whoring for 2635 is a lot

@Simon You reminded me of last Friday

TildalWave

4:00 PM

@Adnan patience my son ;) you can see plants growing with enough of it

Simon

@Adnan You reminded me of Rebecca Black.

TildalWave

@Simon you reminded me of Justin Bieber

Simon

I cannot reply anything to this.

0

Q: Difference between classes of evidence

Everyone, With regards to forensics, I've done some reading, and am still not clear on a couple of things. Trying to understand the difference between the following: Best evidence vs. conclusive evidence vs. direct evidence Indirect evidence vs. circumstantial evidence These all seem really s...

forensics

Does anyone know what this is about?

TildalWave

for (i=1;i<song_length;i++) echo("Friday!");

Adnan

@TildalWave Almost everybody here reminds me of Justine Bieber.

Simon

4:05 PM

Does getting upvoted by @ThomasPornin award you a badge?

TildalWave

@Adnan Justine Bieber? That's an alias of Justin Beaver?

@Simon not on its own... but it should tho... post a new feature request on mSO

Simon

@TildalWave They're gonna destroy me.

Literally.

TildalWave

make sure you mention The Bear to put some shivers in the bones of those unicorns there

Simon

0

Q: How to identify call stats about 2/3/4G users in a room

If someone can please provide some advice about the following problem I am trying to solve it will be great. Scenario: A standard office room, with (say) a couple of people in it What I want to find: (1) How many cell phones are in the room (2) What are the phone numbers of the phones in the roo...

sniffer phone statistics

Stalking much?

Gilles

@Simon legal definitions

Simon

4:12 PM

@Gilles As in the company wants to monitor their employees?

To make sure no data is leaked and etc?

Gilles

@Simon ???

Simon

@Gilles What do you mean by "legal definitions"?

Adnan

@Simon Probably just a BED question

Gilles

“Best evidence” vs. conclusive evidence vs. direct evidence Indirect evidence vs. circumstantial evidence” is about what is accepted in various kinds of legal procedures

Adnan

@Gilles He just lost track about which question you're talking

Gilles

4:14 PM

what does that have to do with employee monitoring?

Adnan

He posted two links, he thought you're answering to the second one

Simon

@Gilles Yeah, Adnan got it. My bad.

Adnan

Stoopid @Simon is stoopid

Simon

i iz dum

2

Gilles

@Simon ah, ok. What part of :10261112 don't you understand?

Adnan

4:15 PM

@Simon Incidentally, a great tool used in BED is the SIMON grenade.

SIMON breach grenade

The SIMON is a rifle grenade designed to breach through doors, developed by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. It is intended for use with 5.56 mm rifles such as the M4 carbine. Overview The system consists of a bullet-trap tail section which slides over the muzzle of the rifle, an explosive midsection and a front standoff rod. The grenade is propelled by a normal ball or tracer round to a maximum range of 30 meters and is detonated by the impact of the standoff rod against the door to be breached, the standoff distance allowing the blast wave to affect as much of the door surface as pos...

Gilles

Hanscom Field

Hanscom Field , also known by its full name Laurence G. Hanscom Field, is a public use airport operated by the Massachusetts Port Authority and located in Bedford, a town in Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States. Hanscom is primarily a general aviation facility, the largest in New England. Both of the airport's two runways can accommodate jet aircraft, and are also used by Hanscom Air Force Base, a defense-research facility located directly adjacent to Hanscom Field. It is a popular training airport, with more than 40 rental aircraft on the field. The Civil Air Terminal buildi...

?

Adnan

@Gilles Breach. Entry. Dominance.

Simon

@Gilles I was wondering if it belongs here because I've never seen a question like this. (assuming :10261112 is the legal question)

Adnan

@Gilles this question

Counting the number of cellphones in a room before entering it

Simon

I'm a rifle grenade!

There's a brochure about me: rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/7/927.pdf

Adnan

4:19 PM

Here's SIMON in action

►

Gilles

@Simon :10261112 is the beginning of my reply to your chat message

try looking at the source of a chat message where you replied to somebody

Adnan

Awwwwh

> As you'd expect from a weapon called SIMON, using it is extremely simple.

Gilles

it's rendered as ↰ linking to the message

Simon

@Gilles Oh ok!

Adnan

Damn @Simon. You're very strong and effective in penetration

4

Very fast as well

Simon

4:23 PM

@Adnan This was definitely an auto-star from me.

TildalWave

You could use a cellular repeater for each network people in the room connect to and inspect statistical data and connected clients through it. Alternatively, you could do the opposite - install a mobile phone jammer and see how many people seem disjoint in disbelief. :) — TildalWave 51 secs ago

some harmless fun :)

Simon

"For each network" sounds like a lot of trouble.

TildalWave

@Simon well there's different producers out there, some might have more than one network covered in a single appliance, dunno didn't really research it

AviD

@Adnan no, his question is very clearly and unambiguously: "Why is this network thing happening?"

the answer to the question he asked is very clearly: "It's because of UPnP. Read up on that".

Perhaps with a link to the wikipedia entry....

@Adnan more israeli weaponry.... :-(

Simon

@AviD But it's called SIMON!

Thomas Pornin

4:33 PM

@Adnan Thanks everybody. Not that my answer is that good, but I am always wont to let go keystrokes to waste.

AviD

@Simon ... developed by Rafael. Did you think they meant the turtle?

Simon

@AviD That would be even more awesome.

AviD

@Simon Rafael was the one with the Sai, right?

Adnan

@ThomasPornin For a second I tried to think of a way to collect energy from keystrokes

Simon

@AviD I don't remember, I haven't watched much of it.

AviD

4:36 PM

@Simon ah, no kids.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Also, please answer this

Simon

@AviD I'm a kid.

Adnan

@Thomas I know the answer is "No", but I don't know exactly why.

Simon

@Adnan What if your laptop could run endlessly simply by typing fast enough?

Adnan

I think it has something to do with ciphertext indistinguishability

Simon

4:40 PM

This one shouldn't too hard to answer if anyone knows what's the deal with black listed IPs: security.stackexchange.com/questions/38671/…

@Adnan Do you think Eve will ever mind her own business?

TildalWave

@Simon domain blacklist checker thingy? what's that? WAF?

Simon

@TildalWave Haha, no idea honestly.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan 't is

AviD

heh, I must be taunting fate today. I countered both @ThomasPornin and @DW (in comments) on the same question. I'm going to hide under the bed.

Simon

4:56 PM

@AviD You're so irresponsible, why would you do this? A newborn depends on you.

Adnan

I have awful weight/volume perception

A girl told me "Ugh! I keep trying to lose weight, but it's very difficult"

I answered "Oh come on, you look very beautiful, I hardly think you're 70 KG"

Apparently she's 60

Simon

LOL

Xander

@Adnan That's because you need to quantify the density. Volume alone doesn't give you enough information to determine weight.

Simon

I don't even weight 70 kg.

Adnan

I thought she was 85 and I meant the 70 as a compliment.

Xander

4:58 PM

@Adnan Ouch.

Now you've gone and given her a complex. :-P

Adnan

I was off by 25 KG.

Simon

Only 25 kg.

Adnan

@Xander Speaking of which, this happened to me before actually.

My friend wrote me on Skype "So what do you think of that girl?"

I wrote back "Who? The fat one?"

Apparently the girl was writing from his computer

she was trying to see what his friends thought of her

Simon

You are... not good with women.

3

Adnan

I met her about 7 months later, she was almost half her previous size!

My friend told me that it was because of what I said.

@Simon In certain situations, I can't say I am

Simon

5:01 PM

@Adnan This has to be the only time in history where telling a girl she's fat has done something good to her.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan And 7 more months later, she was dead of self-inflicted starvation ?

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Actually she kept the same healthy weight.

I'm happy for her.

Simon

Did you ever say sorry?

Adnan

@Simon Yes.

Simon

@Adnan <3

Adnan

5:04 PM

But in her case she's really overweight, and she ate almost everyday at fastfood places.

I don't want to be misunderstood and thought of as one of those awful people who push women to be skeletons.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan so she ended up being your girlfriend?

or traumatized

Simon

@Adnan Well yeah of course she's asking for it but still not cool to call her fat. However, in that case, it was a very good thing.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Actually, that's pretty much the same :D

Being in a relationship with me and being traumatized, that is.

TildalWave

@Adnan Put yourself in her shoes (OK, not possible, but bear with me LOL)... So she heard from you that you think she's fat. No big deal, she already knows that... but that implies there's another one (at least) that's not fat. That's already competition! Nichts gut!

Adnan

@TildalWave What is the s in Nichts doing here?

TildalWave

5:09 PM

@Adnan typo

Simon

@Adnan Are you a friend of Aku? He's a nice Finnish person I used to game with. I mean, all Finnish people must know each others, right?

Adnan

@Simon Ewwww. I'm not a Finn.

Simon

@Adnan What're you doing there then?

Adnan

@Simon Live and pay taxes.

Simon

@Adnan Good answer.

Adnan

5:13 PM

Lots of taxes

Simon

Where were you born then?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan you can always go back, but I believe you might have bigger worries than paying taxes :P

Ramadan starts tomorrow

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Does it?

@LucasKauffman I didn't come to Finland from there, I have another nationality.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan yea mate of mine is participating

@Adnan where are you from then?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman From where I told you, but I lived in another country for several years as well.

Lucas Kauffman

5:17 PM

@Adnan aaah

Simon

So many secrets.

Adnan

@Simon Syria.

Lucas Kauffman

plays some mysterious, but nerve chilling arabic music

Adnan

@Simon aand another country. I consider both my home countries.

@LucasKauffman I don't recall knowing many people who fasted.

Strange city the one where I lived.

Simon

Because of you people, I have to go to google maps too often.

Adnan

5:22 PM

@Simon Elaborate.

Simon

@Adnan I like to know where countries are located exactly.

ManishEarth

@Simon Yeah, well I'm from the Grand Duchy of Fenwick

Adnan

@Lucas Convo: gadrgfsdfgwe5vwe5vdf

Simon

@ManishEarth Google maps says you are lying.

ManishEarth

No, my profile is lying

Simon

5:24 PM

It also says that you are in too many chat rooms.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan alright

btw wasn't aimed at you :p just general remark

Adnan

@LucasKauffman What remark?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan about ramadan

Adnan

@LucasKauffman I think I figured that one out

Lucas Kauffman

trying to get it installed

Adnan

5:26 PM

@LucasKauffman How did you lose it?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan on my laptop from work

I'm not even sure I can install chrome apps on here

fuck

I can't :(r

Adnan

Well actually it's a low-profile thing.

Lucas Kauffman

let me check if I can get it on my phone

Simon

ATTENTION, ATTENTION. A Tom Leek answer has been posted.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan no access :(

Adnan

5:30 PM

@Lucas I just had some questions about BruCON

Lucas Kauffman

ah you can post them here as well :p

or we take a private room

Simon

Kinky.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Well, neither my answer nor your comment can really be considered "true"; it is very subjective. What we can do (and I believe you, me and @DW are quite successful at it) is to make the issue even more obscure by throwing random concepts and jargon at it.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Yeah, I think I'll do that after the gym.

Thomas Pornin

Someone once said of me: "when I asked a question to Thomas and he has finished answering, then I no longer understand the question."

6

Lucas Kauffman

5:32 PM

@Adnan when you are all sweaty.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman And my testosterone levels are the lowest.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan It is done. And the answer is, of course: "it depends".

Simon

@ThomasPornin Are you coming at the rave party near QC city in August? I assume that you're a party lover.

Lucas Kauffman

I bet thomas is the raving type

Simon

Ya, me too.

Lucas Kauffman

5:40 PM

@Simon How is the drug abuse in Canada on these rave parties?

in belgium they are notorious for drugs

Simon

@LucasKauffman Obviously, you notice that some people are drugged. I'd say that most people just drink alcohol.

But what fascinates me is how people are friendly. I've never seen someone being aggressive.

Completely different than clubs.

Simon

5:56 PM

@ton.yeung #1 used drug would be Speed. It sure as hell can make you aggressive.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin If I have to be honest, I think you didn't answer the question.

At least not the way I was thinking about it

Simon

takes cover

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Hell no. I abhor noise, heat and crowds.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Boo, you're boring.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Well, what were you thinking, then ?

Adnan

6:00 PM

@Thomas Assuming you have only the ciphertext and the public key, is it possible to prove that this public key (with the unknown message) produced this ciphertext?

In something like RSA (since the question was tagged with rsa)

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Well, I believe I answered that: it depends. It depends on the key type, message format, and what kind of "proof" you are after (i.e. something to convince a judge, or something to know where to put police effort ?)

For RSA, if you intercept many messages, then you can begin to rebuild the high order bytes of the recipient public key, which can help in pinpointing him.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Ciphertext messages?

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Yes

AviD

@ThomasPornin hehe, fair enough. It is a complicated, theoretical discussion to begin with, and shortcuts do help to some extent, but it is not always clearer. We do need to throw a lot of food at the wall, and see what sticks...

Adnan

Makes much more sense now, thanks.

Simon

6:05 PM

@AviD And we also need to throw pillows in holes. Where's my picture?

Thomas Pornin

when a message m is encrypted with a RSA key of modulus N, this yields an integer which appears to be randomly distributed in the 0..N-1 range. See enough of them, and you will get a good idea of N (at least its most significant bits).

AviD

@ton.yeung @Simon #1 used drug for me would be caffeine.

@Simon haha, its not sharky enough yet.

@Adnan oop, and here I am talking about Israeli weapons... damn you gonna hunt me down ;-)

AJ Henderson

hmm, discovered an interesting issue in SE's rep system for low use sites

you can figure out who downvoted you because, while they may not show the -1 on the users' rep page when you look at it, the weekly total is still correct and you can see -1's for others posts

so you can figure out from the weekly total's who downvoted

Thomas Pornin

@AJHenderson When I downvote, I am not ashamed of it.

Simon

8 downvotes. Those people must have posted horrible questions.

AJ Henderson

6:19 PM

@ThomasPornin yeah, I'm not either

I was just going digging because I thought I got a revenge downvote and it turned out to be the case

someone made up two terms and when I called them out on it, they downvoted my answer

which wouldn't bother me so much except for the fact there isn't currently much of a margin between my answer and the made up one since there isn't a lot of activity on the site in question in general

AviD

whats wrong with making up terms? Somebody's got to do it.

AJ Henderson

well when someone is asking what is this called

and someone makes up a term for it

when there's already a term for it and actually says that the term the entire industry uses for it isn't the term

AviD

@AJHenderson oh that? That's commonly known as a gorgonblaster.

AJ Henderson

Or gorgonblastering

AviD

@AJHenderson what term?

AJ Henderson

6:22 PM

I gorgonblastered all over my keyboard

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Simon

@AviD Commonly. That was actually the first word that came out of my mouth.

AviD

@AJHenderson ewww. what site were you on?

AJ Henderson

it was actually over on AVP

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