The DMZ

@AviD or you are 22 hours behind :P

@JeffFerland Yes thats his current approach by queue monitoring would be best done at the queue transaction point: the gate, cash register, POS, etc. Other points could be monitored with heat sensors or light sensore (not video).

And he clearly doesn't understand queuing theory if he wants to monitor individuals in the queue. Individuals have no significant impact on the queue's processing rate.

I suspect he wants to monitor queue rates without agreement or permission to do so, otherwise he would not be focusing on cell phones.

@thisjosh Appearance to Disappearance shows processing rate; growth ratio shows backlogs. Reword the question if you like, but I think detection of unique wireless devices and anonymizing that data is in our realm.

5:18 PM

@JeffFerland Oh I agree on the anonymizing of data. I guess it is a matter of the value to the OP vs the value to the IT Sec community. The OP will get good response about anonymizing data, but he will not get good response on how to solve his problem (measuring the queue transaction rate). Thus keeping the question is good for IT Sec, bad for him, migrating the questions is bad for IT Sec, good for him (if he gets an answer elsewhere that helps solve his problem).

@thisjosh Well, I speak knowing that we don't really have any other site with knowledge about radio transmissions, that both myself and @Iszi do understand radios and cellular networks, and that security.stackexchange.com/questions/6424 is a technically close question in some regard.

... and besides, he thinks hashing a small number will prevent determining that number. MUST ADJUST PERCEPTIONS!

@JeffFerland Oh I am intimately familiar with RF: UHF, VHF, SHF, and EHF. The reason I asked was I couldn't think of where he could get an answer to his basic problem.

Ok, I have just received through FedEx my new computer, it is a Mac Mini, and I am pretty sure I am doing it wrong since I am reading the manual before trying to plug it in.

Hendrik Brummermann

@AviD, you may want to contact Rebecca Chernoff about meta.security.stackexchange.com/q/557/665 via email or comment.

@ThomasPornin Looking to do a little iOS work?

5:28 PM

Yay for teaching tools. Portal is free through steam until tomorrow, 9/20. -- http://www.learnwithportals.com/

Tweeted by packscott on September 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM

or maybe OS X

Not even. I am just fed up with Linux and I want to try something else for a while.

@Iszi @ScottPack Am I missing "the catch" somewhere?

With the latest Ubuntu with Unity, too many things are "sort of" working

with a Mac, I suppose that everything should work either flawlessly or not at all

which should save me a lot of time: if it does not work immediately, I know that it will NEVER work.

Then you havn't heard my diatribe about paying for stability...

basically the same as my diatribe about paying for security, but with s/security/stability/g

5:33 PM

@Iszi Not really

It's just Portal, not Portal 2

@thisjosh If @ThomasPornin has been in this community for more than a decade, he has been on Slashdot. If he has been on Slashdot, he has heard a rant about that indistinguishable from your own.

@ScottPack Haven't played the original yet.

They do this every now and then, usually only lasts for a few days.

Earlier this year, like April, they were offering Portal for Mac for free.

@JeffFerland I have roamed Usenet since about 1995, but I never really followed Slashdot

@Iszi Get you hooked with the awesomeness of Portal so you buy Portal 2.

5:34 PM

@JeffFerland Maybe he's too smart to have been on slashdot...

@JeffFerland That would be the closest thing to a 'catch' that I could think of.

I just hope my laptop will run it nicely enough not to ruin it. I was going to (eventually) get Orange Box on the PS3 to get started.

And I was about to say Usenet probally has a rant better than mine

@thisjosh Hey, it was good in its time... all universes eventually become black holes, right?

@JeffFerland Ah back to the Higgs Bozon and the theory of gravity. I believe it has yet to be determined as the physicists have not yet explained cosmological expansion.

5:36 PM

@thisjosh But Slashdot has imploded. QED.

So have many stars, still it is difficult to scale an event to the size of the universe.

@thisjosh anyway, quality vs. cost is a very old discussion... and I need to write up a bio for myself.

@JeffFerland Quite true, and so is informed rational decision making, but I hope we're making progress on the decission making.

Unfortunatly I don't think so.

Q: Guarding against rogue certificates

Day one complete. There are four lights. #obscurescifireference

Tweeted by iamleeg on September 19, 2011 at 5:39 PM

I don't get it. Someone help out?

Ninefingers

This more of a security question?

1

There has been a lot of news recently about certificates being falsely issued (due to the issuing authority having poor system security!). Apparently the targeted users were mostly Iranians, but it's not hard to imagine this happening to anyone. My browser comes pre-loaded with hundreds of cert...

Chain of Command (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

5:51 PM

@Iszi In TNG Picard was captured by the Romulans(?) and during his torture one of the things they did was flash lights in his face and they were trying to get him to say there was a different number of lights than there really were.

I think that's right. It's been a number of years.

__NOTOC__ "Chain of Command" is an episode of the television series Star Trek: The Next Generation that aired in two parts. Overview Captain Picard is taken from command of the Enterprise for a covert mission, and his replacement is assigned to deal with the Cardassians openly. Plot Part I Captain Picard, Lt. Worf, and Dr. Crusher are assigned by Starfleet on an undercover mission to destroy a Cardassian biological weapons installation on Celtris III, a Cardassian border world. In Picard's place, Starfleet assigns Captain Edward Jellico (played by Ronny Cox), who exhibits a vastly differ...

Ah, Cardassians not Romulans.

@ScottPack Ah. Yeah, I probably saw that episode once. Though, I should re-watch the series sometime...

@Iszi I'll probably queueueueueueueueueue it up into my lunch time routine.

I'm working my way through Alias now.

@ScottPack All the Star Trek series except DS9 are on Netflix.

I've got TNG and DS9 at home, not the others, though.

6:07 PM

Oooookay... I went to look up "Q" in Wiki, to make a joke of adding ST to mine, and I get this among other options on the disambiguation page...

"A nickname for Chuluaqui-Quodoushka, a series of New Age sexual meditation exercises developed by Harley Reagan"

Giggity

@Iszi netflix is splitting into two

@thisjosh But the streaming side will continue to be called NetFlix, so his statement stands.

So does mine. :P

@thisjosh I've heard.

6:21 PM

@thisjosh too shay

3 chaise

I don't know what news every has read. If you find a way to do that, let me know :P

@thisjosh If you could get enough ssl proxies out there you could probably manage it.

@ScottPack Proxies are too much trouble, I prefer to tap the end point with a cordless drill :P

Mmmm....vampire taps

Haven't seen one of those in years

Oh, so you can stick with the conversation, @Iszi

Vampire tap

A vampire tap (also called a piercing tap) is a device for physically connecting a station (i.e. a PC, a printer, or another device) to a network that uses 10BASE5 cabling. This device clamps onto and "bites" into the cable (hence the vampire name), forcing a spike through a hole drilled through the outer shielding to contact the inner conductor while other spikes bite into the outer conductor. From the vampire tap, a short cable called an AUI (Attachment Unit Interface) is connected directly from the tap to the network card in the PC. Vampire taps allow new connections to be made on a...

6:39 PM

@ScottPack On occasion.

Between my ADD and stuff I've got to do at work, I occasionally - ooh, shiny thing!

@ScottPack Pentest fun is vampire tapping a 10/100/1000 BaseT with a swiss army knife and some careful nerves.

@ScottPack How did you get there?

@thisjosh Tapping the end point with an electric drill.

Some of the older taps required doing just that to expose and create a connection point on the core.

Oh, thats a win for you. Sorry, I was doing work, my priorities are all out of wack.

No worries

6:43 PM

Too bad I cant program my brain with a better priority queue.

Actually just better context saving and switching would be great.

Hello again

so far so good with MacOS X

Afternoon, @Thomas.

Installed macports yet?

Not yet

I have tried it on an older machine, though

I think Mac OS X has been designed nicely.

From a user standpoint, yes I agree.

6:47 PM

This has gotta be the stupidest thing. Start->Run->P: and I get an error (forget which). Double-click shortcut on Desktop, and it opens fine. Start->Run->P: again, and I'm good to go! WTF?

Some little annoyances where Apple they decided to have continuity with previous design.

i.e. closing all windows does not close the application/parent process