@brilliant The main problem is that people are treating the Peshitta as if it is the original
but it is written in a dialect of Syriac that didn't exist until over a century after the Gospels and other early writings were recorded
that's like trying to use an English translation to understand the ancient Greek text - anachronistic and foolish (yet Christian teachers/preachers do it daily)
@Daи "but it is written in a dialect of Syriac that didn't exist until over a century after the Gospels and other early writings were recorded" - How do you know that?
@brilliant I've studied Aramaic, and early Galilean Aramaic is a quite different dialect from Syriac
there were a number of literary dialects, such as Palestinian Jewish Aramaic, Samaritan Aramaic, Syro-Palestinian Christian Aramaic, Syriac, Babylonian Talmudic Aramaic, and Mandaic Aramaic
@brilliant I should reword that. Aramaic clearly existed, even a dialect that is fairly close to the Peshitta, but it's not what would have been spoken in Galilee during that time
there were a number of literary dialects, such as Palestinian Jewish Aramaic, Samaritan Aramaic, Syro-Palestinian Christian Aramaic, Syriac, Babylonian Talmudic Aramaic, and Mandaic Aramaic
@brilliant can you find me a single source that says a Peshitta manuscript of the New Testament is older that is not from the works of George Lamsa, nor from any individuals within the Messianic Judaism movement in North America, nor within the Assyrian Church of the East?
"Again, most sources that are free are highly unreliable" - This makes me feel at least suspicious. Why is it so that reliable sources are not available?
we don't know when a lot of the manuscripts are from
all we have is speculation
so when someone says definitely one thing or the other, it is suspect
One of the most convincing arguments for me, though, is that when we look at the New Testament in light of Jesus’ own dialect (early Galilean Aramaic, a dialect quite different from Syriac), we can find places where such phenomena (wordplay, puns, mistranslations, etc.) exist that are not present in the Peshitta. That is huge
most agree that Jesus would have mostly spoken Aramaic and Hebrew (it was only after the discover of Nag Hammadi, DSS, and other findings that scholars have begun to realize that early Mishnaic Hebrew is just as likely a candidate as Aramaic),
but whether the Gospels were originally penned in Aramaic, Hebrew, or Greek? No one really knows
that's what I'm saying
@brilliant but knowing that an extant copy in one language from the fourth century is older than an extant copy from the fifth century tells us nothing about which language the work was written in first
@swasheck, as Daи said, I'm still in a very early phase of testing so there will definitely be bugs and I can't guarantee that nothing bad will happen to your annotations. That said, if you want to throw caution to the wind and start uploading and annotating texts, that would be really helpful for load testing this project and seeding it with content.
Also, one of the main reason I'm showing this project around at this point is to get feedback for new features to implement and usability improvements...so let me know if you have any.
@Daи, I restored your two annotations. Also, as you may have noticed, text annotation was totally broken since last night's update but it should be fixed now.
@Daи "keep in mind that Welch wrote that before the discovery of the DSS" - But Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered between 1946 and 1956 and Welch wrote "The Volume of the Book" in 1971.
@Daи I grew up as an Orthodox Christian in Russian Orthodox Church, but that was more like nominal than real. I mean, I followed all the rituals, traditions and customs, but I can't say I had faith at that time.
I prayed to Jesus for the first time in my life with my own words and began to believe in real.
Now I am still practicing my Christian life in that group, however, I am not so much into Witness Lee’s ministry anymore (he is one of the main teachers in the The Local Churches) and am becoming bigger and bigger fan of C. H. Welch and E. W. Bullinger’s books.
"believing that the Orthodox Church is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church" - so then I am not a part of that Church, according to your belief, right?
I see. Well, for me things are much more simple with this now - anyone who has prayed to Jesus believing that He is God and the Son of God is a part of One Universal Church.
Sorry. Can't talk more at the moment. Need to run
(I would want to return to the topic of manuscripts next time)
@swasheck I now have a tech blog and an 'everything else' blog. There are no posts on the latter yet, but if you click on 'Huh?' at the top you can see the 'about' page which is tentatively finished, pending I change my mind about something.... :P
@David I wanted to tell you that in order to correct the last comment I'd made on hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/a/7996/2873, I had to delete it and enter another. Now my new one is below yours. Thanks.
I believe this scripture is dealing with the things we set our eyes on. By setting our sights on what is ungodly, we allow darkness to enter our hearts. By setting our eyes on the things of our Lord, we receive light.
Here are some scriptures that I feel support this view:
"For he was lookin...
This ^^^^ seems like a very lightweight answer to be accepted and alone: I'm going to try and do better myself but I hope someone more knowledgeable might step up too.
@JohnMartin Thanks for the heads-up - I'm quite new to this part of StackExchange, and only just stumbled on your note here. Helpful place to have "offline" conversations, so as not to "clog" main Q&A site? All I meant to say in my last comment is that clarifying your objections to Hughes should help you make progress in your own thinking about this particular (and knotty!) problem. Bye for now!
I put up this bounty over on SO with the assumption that the text would be formatted like it is for a question or answer.
I'm not really sure if I was incorrect in my assumption, or if I just formatted my text improperly, as I can't go back and edit what I put in. Am I missing an obvious featur...
@JohnMartin I've asked around and I think the answer is "we can do it, but we don't want to encourage it" or something
I'm happy to remove the bounty and allow you to repost it if that is what you want but I'd prefer you let one of us know sooner after the bounty was posted if at all possible
@Daи Hi Dan - I discovered "The Library" earlier today :) Was just going to post this as a comment to you (Re: "666"): "Ack! It's a plot! :) I better DV somewhere - that'll move me away from the apocalypse, right?"
Greek. but i'm interested in semantics in general.
one of my ill-fated doctoral ideas was to trace the progression from Linear A -> Koine Greek to see if Hellenization could be traced linguistically ...probably too much and i've decided no phd work for now
projects - there was a good example online, but it's not up now that the site is getting migrated
I had one just complete on sematics of Hebrew terms associated with "glory", another on the way on an aspect of "everyday life" - language for cooking (!)
presents some interesting challenges for "lexemes" where we lack "encyclopedic knowledge"
I believe this scripture is dealing with the things we set our eyes on. By setting our sights on what is ungodly, we allow darkness to enter our hearts. By setting our eyes on the things of our Lord, we receive light.
Here are some scriptures that I feel support this view:
"For he was lookin...
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