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8:01 PM
The Life and Times of Bored Abe
 
@FreeMan LOL.
On that note, ever listen to Warren Zevon's My Dirty Life and Times?
 
@Hosch250 I didn't smoke 'em, but I did look through every reference to Branch in the TortoiseGit Support page... :/
 
@FreeMan Ahh, you have to smoke them. Print it out, roll some crack up in it, and light up.
 
@Hosch250 Warren Zevon? Yes. That particular track? Not to my recollection.
 
It's really funny. Oh, you're the first person I've met who ever heard of him :)
 
8:03 PM
@Hosch250 that's what I've been doing wrong all these years. I was just highlighting the unimportant bits with a Sharpie.
 
@this Nope, I searched this page for 'branch'
 
write teh author then
 
Properties grab readily available information IE No calcs needed. Functions calculate a value that's returned.
Is it an abuse of pedantry to use what should be a function as a property to get the hover over value?
 
8:12 PM
@Hosch250 I'm a plebe with a 'free' account. I just youtubed it.
 
@FreeMan Huh, I have a free account too.
Did they want you to pay?
 
Ah, Werewolf in London. I knew he had a big hit, I just couldn't remember the name.
nah, just wanted me to log in. wasn't gonna do that on the work PC, and couldn't figure out how to get the phone app to play that specific track.
 
There's also "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money!"
My mom (of all people) loves Excitable Boy...
 
I saw that...
good idea!
 
@FreeMan Course you did. They didn't!
I should start writing rap about killing time at work...
It would probably quickly get NSFW.
 
8:17 PM
as I read that, the last 3 words hadn't come into focus quite yet. It caused weird thoughts: 1) Isn't that what most rap's about... 2) don't say that publicly! 3) especially not here!!!
 
@Hosch250 Those that want to learn generally make time and/or find a way.
 
See, you kill it. Strangle it to death. Then you do artificial respiration. Oh no, it's permanently dead! I'll never get that time baaack :(. Guess it's not a problem. Here comes another chunk of time. Gotta kill that one toooo.
That's not rap, FWIW.
Just the results of a slowly-becoming-deranged mind.
 
no, but it sounds like it could pass for "modern performance art" (whatever that is)
 
LOL.
 
@Cyril bt;dt - up at 05:00 to get the 06:00 train. 09:00-17:30 work, 18:00 train to get home at 21:00
I don't miss that commute...
My current commute is 2h each way, but 1h of that is on the train, then there's some walking and driving. Breaks it up nicely, doesn't feel too bad,
 
8:28 PM
I think there's a big difference when you're riding vs. driving.
If you're driving all the time, that's stressful.
 
And I get the occasional WFH day too. Not as many as I'd like though
@this Its country driving too - town/city would stress me out
 
@this If you aren't careless, that is...
@mansellan It's awful. That's why I switched to earlier. I don't mind doing 30+ miles at all. It's being stuck in traffic that's the worst, and people can't change lanes when they need to, so they start moving unsafely.
 
I enjoy driving, so I don't find it stressful in the least. Being stuck in rush-hour traffic sucks, but it's not stressful
 
I've been forced off the highway multiple times when people won't let me move over.
Like, I come up, and I can't get into the main lanes, so I get forced right back off.
 
yeah. the worst I have to deal with is roadworks and occasionally getting stuck behind a tractor...
 
8:30 PM
that's asisine
 
Then I have to pull my phone out if I'm downtown and try to find directions.
Because downtown, you can't just jump back onto the entrance again.
 
do they have a network of one way streets?
 
Yeah.
 
yeah. Fun.
 
And interlocking highways where when you get off one, you get stuck on another.
And when you get off that one, you're in a neighborhood or commercial block.
 
8:32 PM
 
So then you have to circle the entire one-mile+ block to try again.
LOL.
Oh, and another complaint I have--it stinks.
My old commute would skirt north of the cities. Not really farmland, but a lot of it was undeveloped. It always smelled pretty nice in my car. Outdoorsy, but not like North Dakota-remote outdoors.
Now my car smells like a fart joke because I go through manufacturing districts.
 
Not photoshopped:
Actual roundabout-of-roundabouts
 
LOL!
 
It's in a town called Milton Keynes
 
We have a couple chained roundabouts here, but nothing like that.
 
8:35 PM
yeah read about that.
 
Most I've seen is 3, I think.
 
not sure what made them thought it was a cool idea.
 
They've been putting them in all over, and I hate them. IMO, they are super unsafe.
 
The most scary thing I've seen is australia's "Syndey Left Turn" or something like that.
 
I swear people almost broadside me all the time coming on.
Or rear-end me when I don't just blaze into it.
I'd rather a stop-sign intersection. I hate lights too, because people watch the light and don't see peds. They don't even see the car in front of them half the time.
Or, if they are on the primary road for the light, they'll just blaze through without even watching it because it's green 99% of the time.
So they are so used to not stopping they never do.
And well over 99% of the lights here are right-turn-on-red, which makes it super difficult to cross safely as a ped.
IMO, they should make the right-turn light flashing red, at least, when a ped hasn't activated the light, and solid when they have.
And it's a no-right-turn-on-solid-red.
Maybe I should get on the city council and complain there :D
I guess traffic law to me is what WPF is to this :D
 
LOL, I was just reading that.
> Despite having a notorious reputation, it's not despised by everyone — stuffed toys and tributes left by locals on the roundabout have been commonplace since 2012.
I'm wondering if those aren't tributes to remember deaths...
 
@mansellan i hear you there; had one coworker who had 2x 1 hour train rides in, starting in Reston, VA, down to Rockville, MD.
 
HR brought their puppy in. Time to kill more time?
Umm, no.
 
@mansellan I love that one! Never realized it was Milton Keynes - home of the Red Bull F1 team (among other things, I'm sure)
@this eh, #2's no big deal - it's just a SPUI (Single point urban interchange). They actually work pretty well once you realize that left-turning traffic (in the normal parts of the world) will have oncoming traffic, also turning left, of the right side. It means there's only one set of lights controlling the whole interchange instead of 2 sets, one on each side of the highway with traffic stuck on the bridge.
#1 was tough getting my head wrapped around driving on the wrong side. I can see that being tough since Edgeware seems to be a major road.
#3's just a regular 4-way stop with an extra road really close for those going left-bound.
#4 Traffic circles FTW!!!
 
8:59 PM
We have a bunch of those offset-intersections in my area.
It's not hard once you realize what's up.
Also, 1800 seconds to go.
Also, my town is pretty low-traffic.
 
#5 - they put stop signs on both sides of the road because the ones on the driver's dang, passenger's side can get hidden by parked cars/trees/etc. We've got more than a few of those around here too. Not really confusing...
 
@FreeMan Yeah, also super common on 2-lane roads here.
 
#6 until about 7 years ago, we had a state highway with about a dozen offset road interchanges like that. Most were stop-signs for the side roads. The people stopping in the middle of the intersection because they see a red light are idiots, but so are the morons who spec'd putting the lights where they could be seen by the crossing traffic. Move the lights, solve the problem.
 
@FreeMan Funny thing, we have some like that in this area where you do have to stop.
You take a turn from a more minor road onto a major road right before it intersects with another major road.
 
Yeah, that happens some times. Once you know what's going on, it's no big deal. It's usually the 'foreigners' who screw things up. (i.e. anyone not from within a 22.7* mile radius)
*number made up for comedic effect
 
9:08 PM
Yeah.
Another fun one is there's a right-lane entrance onto the freeway.
 
Then you have less than one mile to cross 5 lanes and take a left exit onto another freeway.
 
@Hosch250 those are hellish. Even worse are the left-lane exit to a short ramp to a traffic light
 
Called "Spaghetti junction" locally.
 
@FreeMan I believe the statistic is that the average on-ramp in the US' interstate systems is 600 ft, with the lowest state average being Missouri with 264 ft.
note that on-ramp =/= junction
junction is where highway meets highway
 
9:11 PM
interchange - where one road meets another.
 
fun fact: the definition of interchange is why the DOD highway statistics group uses the term junction!
 
from that interchange link - the tight diamond with roundabouts. A local suburb has done that one better
 
I've seen parclos, clovers, diamonds (my favorite) and full interchanges.
Oh, and the cross-over diamond.
I dislike those ones where you can exit in 4 directions. Super easy to get the wrong one and end up going the opposite direction.
Especially in heavy traffic.
 
not quite the "magic roundabout" but they did their best...
 
is there a particular term for the ones that are roped-hairpins? like you have 2 entrances to the highway systems and there are 4 interchanges, where 2 interchanges each role into 1 on-ramp
 
9:14 PM
 
like you slow down to 20 mph and do a hairpin turn to get back to the "real" interchange
 
aren't you describing the cloverleaf?
 
Then, of course, there's this one because Hong Kong was leased to the British, so they drive on the left, but mainland China, for all their other failings, at least had enough sense to drive on the right, so the ramps cross to get the traffic on the correct side.
 
@FreeMan I have to say that it would be kind of inconvenient to drive in a right-hand car on a right-hand traffic.
(or left-hand car on left-hand traffic)
 
@this Funny thing, some island nations do just that.
 
9:24 PM
for the entire traffic network? That's even more weird.
 
@Hosch250 like the UK when they go to the continent.
 
Mostly, it's right-hand in left-hand or left-hand in right-hand.
@this Yeah.
 
#TIL
 
Not many, but a few do.
 
Figured it was only temporary, like the HK example where you have someone driving into China from HK (or vice versa)
 
9:25 PM
Possibly.
 
Here in US probably the only right-hand cars you'll see is the mail trucks.
 
Probably just too much effort to actually switch over.
5 minutes to go.
TTYL! Last-minute stuff now.
 
@this Not true. I've seen quite a number of RHD cars imported from driving-on-the-wrong-side countries.
Talked to a guy who owned a RHD British 70s Austin Mini (long before BMW bought it and shouted "MINI" at us). It was hysterical because he had his daughter's car seat in the front. She was sitting in the "driver's" seat. He said he got lots of weird looks!
 
LMAO
 
:D
 
9:33 PM
TBH, I've yet to see such car. I'm sure there are
But either I've been in a cave for so long or that I'm in wrong place to see anyone driving a RHD car that's not a mail truck
 
@BigBen thanks for getting my back on that wildly off-topic "too broad" question!
 
I've had enough road-works discussions, TTGH. Have a good'un!
 
9:48 PM
@mansellan IrmaGourd
 
@IvenBach you make it sound like everyone else has no trouble with it....
 
Co-worker pointed out to me that the outer is clockwise and the inner ring is counter-clockwise. There is no WTF about that at all???
 
it's in UK?
 
Yes. Left of London.
 
you know, where they drive on the wrong side of road?
 
9:54 PM
Lat: 51.56N Long: -1.77W.
I'm just at a loss for words.
 
be happy you don't have to drive there?
 
@mansellan What does VB6 do when you change the vbp file while the editor is open?
 
There are a number of british cars in kansas city atm; saw a couple of them about with the right-side driver seat
Evrry time i see them they are hugging the right side of the road
 
Just asking because I am about to make ReplaceFromFiles invisible for VB6.
 
Did I miss anything?
 
10:02 PM
@Cyril wouldn't they want to be on the leftmost lane, though? Not sure I get why they'd want to hug the right side.
 
They hug the right side because they cannot properly judge where the middle of the road is.
After all, they sit on the right side.
 
Ah, indeed. So not exactly deliberately but out of caution.
but on a highway, I'd want to drive on the left lane so that I'm able to see the lane markers and not worry to my left.
 
That makes sense.
 
@MathieuGuindon You are welcome, have a great weekend!
 
#FunFact: horses were "driving" on the left side of the road, because the sword would be on the left side (of course assuming a right-handed knight) so it was easier to defend against an incoming hostile rider. if they'd ride on the right side, the sword hand wouldn't have been in an ideal position to parry (or attack)
 
10:10 PM
Yeah, but then murica came along and didn't give a fig about horses and bought on Ford's photocopied cars.
 
also there was a crisis in beef prices (don't recall when or where) when the "correct" side was changed from left to right, because farmers had to kill all the animals since they couldn't re-train them to circulate on the other side of the road, so there was a sudden peak in beef offering
 
that's news to me.
 
got these two on the radio driving home last night, not sure where I can find a source for it
but I thought it was awesome trivia :)
 
Yeah they are.
I remember something similar claiming that the space shuttle's booster rocket's maximum diameter was basically determined by 2 horses' asses
It had to do with the fact that they needed to transport the booster rocket on a train, but the gauge is only so wide and the tunnels are a certain width/height. That gauge was determined by the stagecoach which usually had 2 horses side by side.
since some tracks were originally stagecoach roads, it was cheaper to just use the same gauge as to the stagecoach's ruts.
 
^ Came up as random LI post. Many people gave links to sources proving that to be false.
 
10:21 PM
LI = ?
 
LinkedIn.
 
Haven't found a good source nor one that debunks it.
even Snopes doesn't have one specifically about it; the closest thing
> Marveling that the width of modern roadways is similar to the width of ancient roadways is sort of like getting excited over a notion along the lines of “modern clothes sizes are based upon standards developed by medieval tailors.”
LOL
 
How should we treat user forms in the ReplaceProjectContentsFromFileCommand?
Should we always leave them, if there is no new file for them, or should we delete them?
In the latter case, we could abort if we cannot locate the binary file for an import.
 
ReplaceProjectContentsFromFile is the one that basically makes the current VBA Project essentially mirror the contents of the selected folder, right?
 
Yep
We currently only spare the document modules.
 
10:31 PM
makes sense
that's what I'd expect, too
 
I think we should still abort if the user tries to replace with a user form without binary in the same folder.
 
so, if the form isn't in the folder, it shouldn't be in the project when the operation is completed
I'm not sure there's always a .frx though
like, if you export a brand new empty form
 
There is, based on my analysis.
Let me double check.
 
ok so yeah we should treat a missing .frx as a corrupt form then
or at the very least prompt/warn/confirm
> UserForm module 'MyAwesomeUserForm.frm' does not have a corresponding .frx binary file. Some information may be lost. Import anyway?
 
For the UpdateFromFileCommand, we also allow the path of updating from the frm alone by replacing the code.
This gets a bit more complicated for the replace.
 
10:37 PM
you still get the code, just not whatever the .frx was storing. typically that's just resources, like icons and bitmaps
 
Isn't the entire layout in there?
Anyway, exporting a fresh user form yields an frx.
 
@M.Doerner crap I think you're right
 
For user forms, it is always in the header under OleObjectBlob.
 
so yeah let's treat a missing .frx as a corrupt form, and ask the user if they still want to import (salvage the code perhaps)
 
VBForms are different, but user forms stuff everything into the binary.
 
10:39 PM
gotta run :/
 
I would really not like to provide the import code only path for the replace command.
This would considerably complicate the command.
Currently, it does not need to know the component names of the components to import.
 
there is a wrinkle. .frm is commonly used in Access to mean Acceess forms and it doesn't export a binary file.
 
Really?
Why is there yet another component type with that extension?
 
because frm means Form, and that is used in different libraries.
 
We cannot import Access forms anyway, right?
 
10:43 PM
no, not using the current code.
 
Then, I currently see no problem.
 
what I meant is that if they were careless and put everything in one folder, it could mistakenly pick up Access .frm files that would be not imported (nor should be using htis mechanism)
 
Only if you select them.
 
Oh, I thought it would take whatever there was in the folder.
 
AFAICS, you have to select all files you want to import.
 
10:46 PM
Ok, good.
 
@this don't we export those as .doccls?
 
Yes, we do. I'm only noting that they can export them using Access OM and commonly gives them the .frm extension.
If the sync commands automatically selected all the files based on name alone, there's a non-zero chance that it would pick up that wrong kind of .frm file but since Max say the user has to select it anyway, I doubt that'll be a cause of confusion.
 
11:27 PM
Using RD to enable git is suhweet. So much lost time will be avoided because of the ability to import changes.
 
@MathieuGuindon What do you mean by uh whatever that thing you said before talk about it privately
Oh, hi @IvenBach!
 
@FreezePhoenix Hm, can't find it in the transcript.. got a link?
 
@FreezePhoenix This is my main linger room. I found Simon's room via RD.
 
Yeah I can't find it either
24 hours ago, by Mathieu Guindon
Don't hesitate to LMK if you want to talk privately about it
@IvenBach Well, still the same enthusiasm to see you ^^"
Oh. Let Me Know.
Mestupid
 
I'm so ecstatic right now on account of what RD and git will enable me to do for these workbooks. Just made hours of tedium be seconds.
 
11:37 PM
Must have been some unrelated dismissive comment about politics
 
Politics? Divisive? No way...
 
11:50 PM
Duck check. When replacing ThisWorkbook.doccls is the expectation that all other doccls objects would be erased?
Asking since .cls and .bas files are removed but the .doccls objects code-behind is left untouched.
 
Should we abort if a user tries to import two files for the same component?
The import would be non-deterministic.
@IvenBach The current implementation is that documents are left as-is.
 
I don't understand.
This means that if you try to import any .doccls file it wont?
 
We never erase the content of document modules.
 
So if a document module contains anything at all it is never updated?
 
No, if you select it a corresponding doccls file, we overwrite the contents.
We just do not touch other documents.
 
11:59 PM
And that's ?
 
Currently, yes.
 
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