for example, an unused reference (greyed) when right-clicked, could have a context menu where "Find usages" was itself greyed (no usages), but "Remove reference" was normal and available

@mansellan see, "find usages" has me puzzled too. it's enabled for stdlibs and then says "no references were found for 'VBA' library" (or similar), but then it's disabled for e.g. scripting (which has no refs)

basically whatever we end up doing, doesn't really matter - as long as it's consistent

I guess I should fire up RD - I'm just working from UX principals here :-)

what I mean is, if RD behaves consistently, then users will eventually just say "so that's how it works" -- if the behavior isn't consistent, then users will come up with different understandings and different expectations, ...and report different bugs

@this so far i like it; feels like opera 9 when that was new. pretty much chrome (chromium) with the blockers embedded. i have noticed an increase to load rates thusfar, so the best i can say is it is a noticeable difference from straight chrome with extensions to manage privacy/ads

Hmm. Kind of ironic they're using the same engine created by an infamous company known for .... not privacy.

yeah

@MathieuGuindon design language, yes absolutely. It has to be consistent. Ideally it would also be consistent with the host environment. Unfortunately our host environment is a 20 year old IDE, so we have to choose what to follow and what to improve upon. But we do have to be consistent with ourselves...

Nah, we don't have to. Microsoft does it all the times and it's a successful company so it must work!

working on updating some drivers then need to piddle with the update for ultimatedefrag to get a boottime defrag going

figure i can mess a little with brave's settings while a couple things download

At least the logo is much better

reminds me of either the lion of Judah or Aspen the Lion (from Narnia)

@mansellan consistent with ourselves is precisely what I mean :)

if we wanted consistent with the VBE, we'd have a WinForms UI and pixelated icons!

@this you really have your priorities straight, uh huh

Uh, see VB6. 16 color icons..

Oh, plus magenta for a mask!

#DidYouKnow magenta isn't a real color, it doesn't exist

Saying it ain't doesn't make it so

@MathieuGuindon Yep. It's right next to octamarine on the Pantone chart :-)

no, I mean it's located in an area between infra-red and ultra-violet... which are at opposites ends of a spectrum: magenta is a creation of the human brain to fill a gap

googles

(or something like it)

reading, but its odd that one of the primary colors from subtractive mixing isn't real...

oh, I mean light, not fingerpaint :)

> Magenta is an extra-spectral color, meaning that it is not a hue associated with monochromatic visible light. Magenta is associated with perception of spectral power distributions concentrated mostly in longer wavelength reddish components and shorter wavelength blueish components.[5]

I hereby declare that hurly-dory is a color.

> Visible spectrum wrapped to join violet and red in an additive mixture of magenta. In reality, violet and red are at opposite ends of the spectrum, and have very different wavelengths.

So if we have a colour blind programmer who has trouble seeing red?

No not me I’m good:)

anyhoo, just thought it was some fun trivia - it does make perfect sense to use magenta for a transparency mask =)

Yep, because there's no such thing!

but what if I wanted to use magenta in my forms?!?

it won't be magnetic without magenta!

In all seriousness though, it does explain why it's rarely seen in nature.

@this we really need that fabled keyboard add-on that zaps 10KV

I need to stop dreaming of Avalon and LSP and start fixing some of the VB6 bugs.

@MathieuGuindon yes for those who hates the beautiful color of magenta!

Some icons would be nice. Even in 4bpp...

@mansellan you know, if we go monochrome flatstyle and ALLCAPS we could make the VBE look like VS

Actually, that prompts a question... IIRC, we could make the RD COM menu in VB6 high-colour through special measures. But it wouldn't gel with the built-in scheme. We could hack the built-in menus to be high-colour, but that's extra work and not really the duck's business.

So I'm thinking 4bpp for the RD COM menu in VB6 is best-compromise?

I suppose

The WPF menus would continue to be decent of course

IIRC I came up with some OK-looking 4bpp icons way back when

@MathieuGuindon flat needs to go away, very soon. I miss glass.

install VS2010 if you're feeling nostalgic :)

feh. wait 5 more years, and it'll be all 3d fisher-price colors all over.

flat is only a thing because it's easier on lithium-ion bateries

ProTip: my PC is not a phone

@mansellan now that's an interesting point I've never seen before...

I think I read that somewhere. Would be difficult to dig up a link though.

The gaussian blur needed to do glass is tough on mobile

Yet, dark themes are popular and they are hard on batteries, too

AIUI, it takes more power on a LCD screen to darken than just to let the light out

And yet, less on OLED

they still make LCD monitors?

Oh btw, never buy an OLED TV. I have one. 3 years old, and burn-in has ruined it.

ouch

shows what I know. I still think of most monitors out there being LCD

I think I bought my 42 inch like over 10 years ago, still doing fine

It's weird, my OLED phone is 6 years old and doing fine. I guess because the screen is off most of the time.

I don't even know what the TV's tech is, now that I think of it

I know it's not plasma

Unless you chose to buy something else, it'll be LCD of some variety

yeah

and it's like 4 inches thick, they don't make 'em like that anymore :)

lol

can anybody eyeball a monitor and go "yeah, that's a LED right there"?

look at it sideways

TBH I wouldn't know whether a TV is a LCD or plasma

plasma's not a thing any more

much less whether there's a LED or oLED or whatever new acronym they've came up with.

I see a flatscreen, #GoodEnuff

the newest ones are curved

@MathieuGuindon no, curved is dying

oh?

happy to have missed that expensive boat then

See, that's why I don't bother. Can't keep up.

for TVs yes. For monitors, curved makes more sense

I bet you that 20 years hence, people'll be still calling it LCD

because you sit closer to a monitor than a TV

I know it's not it, but I still think LCD -> black-on-green

GameBoy-style

Heh, they've got a bit better since then

yeah they made GameBoyAdvance, full color!

I guess it's still fundamentally liquid crystal... something.

I don't even know what the screen tech is for the Switch I got my kids

just made it more... fancier.

ttqw

With LCD, you have edge-lit (crap), backlit (better), FALD (very good). And at the better end you have quantum dot (looking at that next).

just to be clear... most phones & tablets monitor are what?

LED of some kind?

Most phones are backlit LCD. High end iPhones and Androids are OLED

LED in marketing terms just means a backlit LCD

Tangentially: I remember at one time, they would have laptops with LCD display which had horrid angular viewing and if you touched the screen, it would distort the image and make it white. They used some kind of matte covering for that.

LOL

so everything is LCD!

Ah, twisted pneumatics. An early and shit type of LCD. I had one, it was horrid.

yeah - in the early 90s it was the only way to make laptop screen, I think

All LCDs these days are thin film transistor (TFT) - everything else good builds upon that.

ok, and that makes me wonder --- the confusing thing is that I've seen people with smashed screen and I always get a bit paranoid because the L in the LCD is Liquid. How come we don't see some kind of goo leaking out?

I think some gaming monitors are still TN, they like the better resoinse rates.

@this There's very little goo, and lots of air. The goo leaks into the air space in the screen. Expensively - I know to my cost...

Unit tests: Manual tests past-you wrote to help future-you know when something was broke because well intentioned present-you was refactoring.

uh, just posted on ux.se