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8:44 PM
This room was placed in timeout for 1 day; the topic of this room is "General discussion for puzzling.stackexchange.com. Why is this room called The Green Llama? Do you find that puzzling? Well there you go." - conversation should be limited to that topic.
And this room is in timeout for a day or until someone feels like discussion here has potential to improve the situation on Puzzling.
I've stayed out of these discussions, and intend to continue doing so, because - quite honestly - I consider this site a joke.
That's the kind of support you absolutely want when you're hashing out problems with a site's scope and policy. And you are destroying that support with your childish words and actions.
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Do you want this site to thrive? Do you want it to be a place that you can call your own, with policies that you've helped to construct and a corpus that you've helped to build?
Talk it out, politely, with respect for the opinions of others, even when - especially when - you disagree strongly with them.
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9:20 PM
Meta is really a better place for posting arguments too. A very small portion of the community normally comes to chat. Keep in mind that everyone that has been contributing in to Puzzling is part of the community, not just those in chat.
Nobody is trying to actively sabotage or manipulate the community. There are going to be (and have been) misteps on both sides of the debate, but what is really going to define the success or failure of the community is being able to figure out what works for the community as a whole and giving each other the benefit of the doubt.
10:09 PM
@randal'thor We do indeed have lives, and "trying to kill the site" isn't all we spend our time on. (It's currently finals week for most people, and I've been busy with that, a Boy Scout campout, a piano recital, and tons of other stuff recently.)
I could go on about all the ad hominems, personal attacks, and valueless insulting there's been, but that would just be a repeat of what others have already said (and focusing on the past isn't going to get us anywhere either).
So instead I'll focus on how you—nobody in particular, but just the Puzzling community as a whole—can have actual, intelligent, useful discussions instead of running in circles complaining about everything.
Let's do some mythbusting. Us moderators really aren't typically "special" or different from "ordinary" users in most cases. Jeff refers to ♦s as "human exception handlers". That is, we act as normal users do whenever possible, and only in extreme cases do we have to severely intervene.
For example, one of a moderator's main job is to handle flags. Flags are for those "edge-cases" where the normal mechanisms of voting, closing, commenting, etc. just won't do. We also handle problematic behavior such as spamming or vote fraud.
Similarly, the situation on Puzzling was so egregiously bad before the "Great Meta Post" that somebody had to intervene. Clearly, nobody else wanted to do anything about it.
There was quite a bit of backlash, as we expected. A bit more than we initially thought there would be, in fact. And that's perfectly fine.
But here's what's not fine: All you're doing is moaning about how everything's all wrong, not actually discussing where to go next.
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Complaining about how everyone's destroying everything and accusing everybody of all sorts of things by finding whatever evidence you possibly can (or even none at all) isn't going to get us anywhere.
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