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12:01 AM
And, if that's right, the def. is side dish
 
obviously, "first — can" → C ; "I" → MOI ; "even understand" → NESAD. so the answer is clearly CMOINESAD, a very delicious Croatian side dish. Done!
 
wow, I can't believe it was that easy
 
...
 
I mean, duhh you guys
 
@Rubio To question Rubio's sarcasm or not, that is the question
 
12:05 AM
That feeling when you know it's sarcasm but you still look up CMOINESAD just in case
 
I mean, it makes sense...
 
lol :) I was just about to say: ok, admit it, who actually tried to look that up Just In Case
 
o/
 
It's canned tuna
Who cares if it doesn't work
 
it's 1 word
 
12:06 AM
Or make sense
It's canned tuna
Its always canned tuna
 
well, if it's even Doorknob, we can get CORNB -- is cornbread a side dish or something?
 
wait, that's the answer
understand is read
 
hah
 
(I'm always in doubt if we can make "even" indirect extractions.)
 
that fits way too well for it not to be the answer
@Doorknob
 
12:08 AM
nice job you two, that is clearly the answer
 
And here's the opposite: why do I suspect that as sarcasm
 
Indirect odd/even extractions are valid
 
Reading the internet is hard
 
Here's the real question now - who gets the credit?
 
ffao
All I did was fill in a blank I think he already knew
 
12:10 AM
you think the answer is CORNBREAD? Can someone please spell it out to me
I get "C" and "READ"
 
I = doorknob
I even = dOoRkNoB
 
for real this time: "first — can" → C ; ("I" → DOORKNOB) "even" → ORNB; "understand?" → READ
 
oh, okay. that seems legitimate
 
an amusing fact is that "first - can I" can also be candy
well, if it's Doorknob posing the clue
 
thanks for explaining it, that was rough
 
12:21 AM
@ffao ha
(and yes, that's the answer, although confirmation is probably unnecessary)
 
Lol
Nice job tce16
Though I could argue that cornbread is a dessert
 
you would be wrong
 
whoops
Typo
You can put ice cream ontop of cornbread and its dessert
Preferrably chocolate or vanilla
Though mint chocolate chip may work as well
Okay now I'm hungry
 
@ffao you're up
 
1:23 AM
Reviewers: surely I'm thousands, millions... that you hate is too broad - there are at least three reasonable answers already given that, other than "that wasn't what I was thinking of", don't look to me to be excluded at all by the puzzle.
 
1:47 AM
@Rubio Just curious, can you not cast a normal close vote?
 
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Q: How do you post images on the i.stack.imgur page?

DandelionWhen looking through some of the puzzles, I noticed that quite a few of them used images that they posted on the i.stack.imgur page. When I went on that page, all I got was this: Is there something that I need to do to post images on this page, or is the website down?

 
@thecoder16 no
 
Hey guys I have a question
 
Can't guarantee I have an answer, but I can probably muster at least a sarcastic comment... :)
 
I have a incorrect answer
 
1:59 AM
@thecoder16 people with hammer powers no longer have normal powers
 
I also have at least one question
 
@thecoder16 ... you're not supposed to compete between languages
 
@thecoder16 Moderators cannot cast a normal close vote, or else I would.
 
How does raising the zeta function to 1/lnx modify the zeta function?
 
Our votes are immediately binding.
 
2:01 AM
I know this: Part of the function is bounded within the unit square for all the s values of the zeta function
 
That's not much of a punchline
 
@geocalc33 why are you not asking this over at Mathematics.SE chat lol
 
@geocalc33 Ok... I changed my mind, I don't have an answer, nor a sarcastic comment... There are mathematicians that float in this room though that may be able to help...
 
even PPCG's lounge chat would be a better place to ask
 
It's useless
nobody knows the answer...
 
2:03 AM
@geocalc33 ?
@geocalc33 have you even asked anywhere else
 
Why did the trigonometry teacher run out of breath
Because she kept going on tangents
 
ooh math
 
OK, I just posted a puzzle I'm quite proud of! puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/64364/…
 
oh lordie
No enumerations, no grid. Seems trivial :)
 
this deserves a spreadsheet if i've ever seen a puzzle that does
 
2:09 AM
I bet @Deusovi loved every minute of test solving that
 
@Rubio Wait until you find out there's no definition and no wordplay either :P
 
@Rubio Oh, very much so. :D
I checked with him, and he managed to get everything, so I think it's fine.
But just to be sure, I had someone else check it too.
 
Time to go use the super top secret Mods Only room to ask Deus for the spreadsheet used in test solving. ;)
 
Of the five test-solvers, only two have given me the full grid, one of whom is Deusovi.
A third person has given me the answer but not filled in the whole grid. The other two are still stuck.
 
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Q: Who's the winner of this card game?

user1032613During a round of a card game big two, two players decide to show off their hands. The 1st player has ♥3 ♥4 ♥4 ♥6 ♥6 ♥8 ♥8 ♥K, and the 2nd player has ♠7 ♠9 ♠9. It's the 1st player's turn, and he can start with any single card or valid pairs. Now they've seen each other's hands, who wil...

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Q: Deceptive Diagramless

edderioferNote: You will probably want some form of graph paper, square paper, crossword-constructing program, spreadsheet software, or some tool for inputting things into a grid to solve this. A blank 25x25 grid has been provided for convenience, but this does not imply that the size of the grid is 25x25;...

 
2:14 AM
@Rubio Let me in? Pretty please? :P
 
Yeah that's not gonna happen ;)
 
this is when I'd usually wait for Deusovi to create a spreadsheet I could help in
 
Anyway, here's a sheet
low quality
Make a copy, or work on it together, whatever
I would put in the crossword grid if there was one
 
I didn't notice there weren't even enumerations for any clue
 
@ffao Given my previous cryptic-related puzzle, which also didn't have enumerations, I think I might just end up perfecting the art of enumerationless clues. :P
 
2:19 AM
made a giant square grid if that's useful at all
 
2:32 AM
Did everyone working on this die?
 
i'm 75% asleep
11:32 here
 
2:46 AM
It's 3:45AM here.
You hardly have that much of an excuse. :P
 
3:26 AM
I've done two...
 
Hooray!
 
I feel like 1D could be BYTE, but you need nibble to work with both halves...
 
Yeah, that clue's unfortunately iffy. Sorry.
Hence the "?".
Oh well, I hope it's at least forgiveable.
 
:) yeah, all good. I was still going with it, but knowing that i may've been wrong
 
23D looks like ES+SENT+I+ALL+Y but I don't think ES is Spanish for 'the'
 
3:42 AM
ES could just be Spain (i.e. the spanish)
 
Ah, right
 
@edderiofer worth it for 32A, which is great. :)
 
@Alconja Yeah, I love the surface reading on that.
I'm the sort of person who delights in just imagining the sheer chaos that that would cause, and resting assured that anyone with access to ricin wouldn't actually label it as "glitter". :D
 
Obviously I'm the same. Made me smile... not sure what I should read into that.
 
3:58 AM
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Q: A little bio with a secret

Rubio So, let me tell you a bit about me. I have been online for most of my life—IRC, muds, forums, the web, games, MMORPGs, etc.—but I've met the brainiest people of all right here on this site! I am so happy to have joined this website almost a year and a half ago. Now it is my second home...

 
4:34 AM
There's something sneaky going on with the grid of this diagramless... I'm not seeing how any of the across clues fit the grid... (unless we have an error in there)
 
Yes, that's the only thing sneaky with a diagramless enumerationless cryptic crossword.
 
Sid
Wow... we have a crossword that doesn't have a diagram, nor enumeration?
How hard could it possibly be?
 
Not only doesn't it have a grid pattern, the grid size isn't even specified.
So, yeah. Should be a piece of cake. 10 minutes tops. :)
 
Hey, at least you know that the grid size is smaller than 25x25. :P
 
Technically, we don't know that.
 
4:40 AM
any comments on my 22A attempt (non-puzzle-creators)?
 
hello @LewisChen
 
Sid
> Many thanks to Deusovi, mathgrant, Mad Jaqk, Projectyl, and ExtraTricky for testsolving this.
Ah, so, this is why Deusovi was kidnapped
 
... meaning that it's solvable. whether it's solvable by, well, mere mortals ... is another question entirely
 
@Sid Yep. >:D
 
4:47 AM
I think it must be non-square or something...
 
Sid
@Rubio I must confess, it's scary how all your puzzles have such a good surface...
 
Wait no... there's some sort of two letters per box thing going on... all the cross points have the same next letter across and down
(except 1...)
 
@Sid It sometimes takes a bit of effort to make a sensible surface fit the puzzle. This latest one was fun :)
 
@Sid was thinking the same. very well constructed.
 
Ooh, you guys are solving the Deceptive Diagramless!
 
4:53 AM
Feel free to help out ;)
 
@Alconja He test-solved it.
I can't have him ruin everything, now can I?
 
Hence the ;) :)
 
Sid
@Alconja I think it is correct. I have seen Point=Compass point=corresponding letters(N,S,E,W) in Cryptic clues before...
 
cool
 
Oh good, Deus is back. Hey, I have a question for you in the mod room. ;)
 
Sid
4:57 AM
@edderiofer that's a nice way to stop Deusovi from solving your puzzles quickly on the site. :P
 
Yep!
 
@Sid Less dangerous than kidnapping him too
 
plus it's not like kidnapping him has ever solved anything
 
Sid
^
 
looks like double letters every second square maybe
 
Sid
5:23 AM
Could Sclera be B? In which case, 15A could be BOIL?
 
Based on my current grid layout, it may begin with WH...
(though I'm not happy with the placement of chainletters, so I'm possibly way off)
 
5:54 AM
Shouldn't 5D be ER(RAT)IC+ALLY? That fits the def better
 
and that fixes the tapioca cross
I notice the "broken" doubles go down the diagonal... meta: BET...
 
How does WHITEWATER sound for the sclera clue
Apparently sclera is the white of the eye
 
yep that works... figured it was white something
 
6:12 AM
13D might be PIERRE (homophone of PEER)
(sorry for not directly editing the sheet, on phone rn)
Or actually, maybe PIERROT( homophone of PEER WHO?)
 
Sid
@Ankoganit Ah, that makes more sense
 
@Ankoganit that's what I had just typed in too :)
But it does break the symmetry of the grid... but it may not have symmetry given the construction...
 
6:28 AM
I'd like to ask, of course, that any solution posted to this be a full solution with full explanations for clues and everything.
 
Sid
@edderiofer Easier way is to just link to the doc...
 
That doesn't include full explanations for the clues. :P
For instance, there's no indication that you've worked out how ENTROPY is clued.
 
"Full explanations" as in annotations, or something more?
 
If anyone can edit in, ENTROPY is EN(PORT<)Y*
 
Sid
6:33 AM
I don't understand how you get PORT...
 
EN(TROP<)Y* is better, that way you can read out the final answer
 
Oh yeah, that's what I meant
@Sid Nautical term for left
Right is Starboard
(TIL for me too)
 
there's the whole joke about the star board being on the starboard
 
:o
 
And now I have to go... nice work everyone. I'll leave someone else to post the solution.
 
6:37 AM
CHAIN LETTERS was honestly an unintentional red herring. :P
 
...and great cryptic @edderiofer
 
Thanks.
 
Wait, before you go: Can you explain why the answer is thematically relevant? c;
 
(apparently Bring radical is a thing. Seriously, who puts that on a crossword?)
 
@Ankoganit The sort of person who DOESN'T put ERNE or EVITA in a crossword.
 
6:40 AM
(He tried writing an American-style crossword before making this.)
 
Sid
@Ankoganit What else do you expect in a crossword with no grid and no enumeration?
 
And also the sort of person who puts LIE as a type of algebra.
 
>.<
 
Or ERUCA for "rocket", TULPA, and so on.
If you Americans get to use ridiculous words, then so do I.
I mean "WSW" isn't even a word for chrissake.
Yes I'm sleep-deprived but who cares at this point. I'm going to rant about how American crosswords are bullshit.
 
Shhh, go to bed.
 
6:43 AM
0
Q: If you follow me, you might end up dead

Paul Karam You would throw me when you need me most You are certain to recover me when you don't I usually point to a direction, yet I am not an arrow I am not a road sign, and you wouldn't like to follow. What am I?

 
Whatever will you put in next? YODH? MOUE?
Seriously, American crosswords use such ridiculous words I simply can't make any.
 
I'll just put this thing here: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5628921/…
 
You haven't heard the news, have you?
 
Ouch
 
Yeah.
 
Sid
6:47 AM
From 2 years to 2 hours...
 
Yeah.
 
Sid
That moment when you have been using American spelling for so long that you double-check if "METRE" is a word or not...
 
That's revenge for forcing all those American spellings on me every single time I try to do an American crossword!
Anyway, I'm still waiting for someone to figure out why the answer is thematic.
 
Sid
Anyway, that spreadsheet is now cleaned up. If anyone's writing up an answer, they can directly link there..
@edderiofer Probably because they don't follow the alternate box having doubled letters rule?
 
Not quite.
Otherwise I would have done something like SINGLETS or NON-CONFORMISTS.
 
7:51 AM
0
Q: Conical cylinders, or cylindrical cones?

Bass My head you can plane, it's has cylinders for cones My heart controls a set that almost everyone owns My tail is a feeling with a land devoted to it When I'm done with a house, the owner ain't left with .. much. Who or what am I?

 
8:19 AM
@thecoder16 I'm assuming you own the spreadsheet for the above cryptic -- you'll want to roll back history and set to read only later
 
wait what happened to the sheet?
 
Someone's messing with it, as would happen with anything publicly accessible, but Sheets is pretty good with preserving history so it's not too bad
 
ah whew
 
9:20 AM
@WELZ
 
oh, crap, the C4 slot is mine
CCCC: Earthy, crude, uninhibited (6)
now I'll be going to sleep, feel free to go on without me
 
9:50 AM
HEARTY (EARTHY*) = uninhibited
 
somebody pin that please...
 
@JanIvan OP requested it be deleted.
@EriktheOutgolfer Pin what?
 
the CCCC
that is, if it got solved
I don't think I overcomplicated this...well, maybe reconsider then? ;)
 
10:23 AM
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Q: A riddle of two groups

AstralbeeI tried to join two different groups from very different towns I was sure that one would let me in but both have turned me down The first said they already have all personnel they need they didn't seem to care that I adhere to their creed "The five of us can manage without another in the mix ...

 
Sid
11:02 AM
Oh, someone messed with the sheet...
Also, why doesn't someone write up an answer?
 
Sid
11:25 AM
@Rubio I legit thought that the answer would be "I am a dog". :P
 
lol.
@MOehm Well done. *hat tip*
I had a hint ready to go, but happy to not have needed it :)
 
12:03 PM
@Sp3000 got it, thanks
@edderiofer Rand al thor in disguise? :P
 
12:27 PM
@edderiofer heh that link copy-paste from Google Search
 
12:59 PM
0
Q: Let's talk numbers here for a minute

ChowzenAm I thinking of a number? Let us say I am, and the first number of which I am thinking is four. The third number will be a number which is my favorite number. And I'll hesitatingly call the second number The Culprit in this supposition: $$a=b \rightarrow \binom {(a+b)(a-b)} {(a-b)} = \b...

 
1:48 PM
Hi! And goodmorning or afternoon or noon or wherever you are
Or should I say bonjour, bonsoir, guten morgen, guten abend, gute nacht?
 
GAmen.
Stands for "Good afternoon/morning/evening m/night", usually capitalizing the one that's applicable to you.
It's a TSL thing :)
 
@North got it
 
Ha, been a while since I've seen the pharma spammers bother filling out the profile.
 
1:53 PM
that last one didn't fit the, er, profile. but ok
 
I was referring to the first one linked, didn't see the second.
 
I never expected I'd have to put a bounty on my puzzle
I figured somebody would've solved it by this point
At least one user
 
I suspect hints would have been better than the bounty. people have seen it, they just don't know what to do with it
 
Oooh
I see
Thank you
 
I mean - kidnap the mods, people are bound to notice ;)
 
1:57 PM
Heh heh
 
@Rubio do you owe us a new cryptic
 
oh. yah I suppose I do
CCCC: Off the record? Leaders kept stopping absolute agony. (7)
 
I'm here to collect (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
I expect you will.
 
wait why that anger
 
1:58 PM
IRS is after you (if you're American)
 
I'm not angry, but it's funny
 
that poor table.
What'd it ever do to you?
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ literally means flipping the table (table flip) and that's something you do when you're angry, so it, uh, conveys the wrong message
 
it does, but Rubio probably knows that I'm not actually angry about the C4
 
@EricTressler The table has feelings too, you know
 
2:01 PM
I don't know the unicode to right the table
 
Ask Deus, He's probably memorized the whole ASCII chart and beyond
 
Why would anyone do that? I do remember A is 65, because of C or something
 
because Puzzling?
 
i guess everyone who uses a golfing language has to remember some equivalent of that
 
yeah, I remember important things start at 32 (that's space), A is 65, a is 97
and that's really all I need to remember
 
2:05 PM
uh, what does a golfing language have to do with that
 
(currently working on memorizing Braille and Morse though)
 
because the commands in golfing languages look like gibberish, they're intentionally short and not memorable
 
and that's why you have the docs open
 
lots of them use their own codepages so the commands can be mnemonics
 
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Q: Riley with a bonus clue

tyobrienI’ll try another Riley... My prefix is a unit My infix relates units My suffix is found on shore My whole always makes more Bonus: My uffix is my whole

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Q: Why didn't the king kill the second astrologer?

IQ WANTERA king saw in his dream that all his teeth were gone. So he called an astrologer for its explanation. The astrologer replied, "Your whole family will die in front of you." After hearing the sad explanation, the kin killed the astrologer. (Though the explanation of the astrologer was true.) Then t...

 
2:06 PM
@Sphinx cough cough TOO BROAD cough
wow, I've got an awful cough today. must be getting sick
 
ah, don't shout then
;)
hope the cough goes without further complications
 
(I'm doing fine, that was a joke)
 
(yeah my reply applies to both situations)
 
This sort of comment that you've been making a few of, is not particularly productive. If you want to tell the OP that the riddle is unclear, please say that.
 
I'm not sure I want to get near Rubio's clipboard.
 
2:26 PM
@Sphinx @mith copy and paste the URL for this
see if you get weirdness too
 
for the puzzle, not the comment link I pasted
 
oh. gosh.
 
I'm guessing it's a script you have or something.
 
2:32 PM
nevermind, yeah - it's a bad script that parses "/ why" (w/o the space) anywhere in the input line and makes it a silly face
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ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
I think that script may need to die a horrible death, I'm not even sure why I have it
 
HAHA HAHA.
 
2:44 PM
that's hilarious
 
I'm delighted I could amuse everyone this morning :)
 
And you've given us a cryptic
 
a cryptic ending in "absolute agony", which I'm sure doesn't imply anything
 
@Deusovi You've lost me
 
deus "likes" my cryptics. (?) hehe
 
2:53 PM
I thought it might be "shrieks", but I can't account for the middle
 
0
Q: Factor the number 23 into four numbers $a + b \sqrt{2} + c \sqrt{3} + d \sqrt{6}$

john mangualWe know that $23$ is a prime number nonetheless, I'm asking to find 4 numbers $a,b,c,d > 0$ such that $23$ factors. $$ 23 = A \times B \times C \times D \text{ with } A,B,C,D = a + b \sqrt{2} + c \sqrt{3} + d \sqrt{6}$$

 
3:33 PM
0
Q: Not a puzzle just a question

TinyTRex72Should we have a sandbox for puzzling like we do for code golf? I will count your answer it correct just for your opinion

 
4:23 PM
0
Q: Not a puzzle just a question

TinyTRex72Should we have a sandbox for puzzling like we do for code golf? I will count your answer it correct just for your opinion

 
Sid
4:49 PM
Looks like a "first time lurker" cares enough about the mods to post an answer...
 
5:16 PM
Yup
 
First-time lurker? They are either a long-time lurker or a first-time poster, or both.
 
@Sid at least someone does. it would be a shame if they never were found
we would have to have another election if no one found all the kidnapped mods
 
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Q: Dividing money in school

Ashish PanigrahiA businessman instituted an annual award in a city school, with part of the award given to the school itself to improve its facilities. It was stated that if a student from a wealthy family were to top the annual examination, the school would receive twice the amount awarded to the student. On t...

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Q: A riddly riddle

DragonrageA meta riddle of sorts. $\phantom{/Be/}$ My prefix is a bamboozling. My infix is tantilizing. My suffix is full. My whole is disdainful. $\phantom{/of/}$ Element partially responsible for destruction of an evil city (6) $\phantom{/put on}$ With two I'm silvery white. ...

 
Sid
5:56 PM
@Sphinx Math problem and not a puzzle, people?
 
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Q: What is the password in the image?

LaeFor my first puzzle I made this, everything you need is in the image. The goal is the find the hidden password.

 
@Sid if you think so, shouldn't you be VTCing it yourself?
 
Sid
@ffao Yeah, I had vtced and was afk. Now, it shows me a "Something went wrong" message.
No matter, I have vtced again, anyway
 
6:21 PM
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Q: Some good things can come in threes, I hope you find my riddle one of these

car My prefix is delicious My infix relates to switches And my suffix is how some children do their dishes My sincere compliments to Riley :)

 
 
2 hours later…
8:00 PM
@Sphinx Too broad?
 
8:14 PM
@North looks like a steganography question?
 
8:35 PM
@North Regarding one of your recent edits: Normally when a $ is in a comment, it gets interpreted as mathjax. So you can escape it by writing \$ instead, and that will display as $, even inside a spoiler.
 
doesn't seem too broad to me, at least for now
but I'm not a big fan of , so I'll pass
 
9:24 PM
0
Q: If you lose me, your life might get harder

Paul Karam I live in a palace where it's dark inside No light in there, unless open wide Even though I am not a king, sometimes I wear a crown I am not a queen either, neither I am a clown I'm known for tearing stuff by moving up and down Don't take care of me and I might hurt you Take care o...

 
9:52 PM
Cheese it, the c̶o̶p̶s̶ ̶ CM's here
 
s/c̶o̶p̶s̶ ̶/---cops---
 
yeah yeah
I never remember which one that works in, comments or chat
 
comments are ephemeral, so smaller, chat is forever, so more ;)
 
But if you didn't see that as strikethrough, your browser may be dodgy
 
I did, but the chars are ugly :P
 
9:55 PM
blame your standard font for not having good unicode coverage. :)
 
@Rubio i see strike through, but it looks more like an underline that was raised like 3 pixels
 
@Rubio my standard font? it's SE which uses this font! ;)
 
 
Jon often lurks.
 
Linux, Mozilla Firefox 56, standard SE font selection rendering.
 
10:00 PM
Just like JNat lurks in The Reading Room and The Screening Room and other rooms ;)
And they read things, so shh.
 
JNat doesn't lurk. JNat waits.
 
in The Screening Room, Nov 22 '17 at 14:59, by JNat
I gotta say it's pretty weird to see "my face" when I'm cycling through my open chat rooms :P
 
it still bothers me that the mod color is blue when im on this pc. i used to them being orange
oh, and having dark theme
 
It bothers me that today someone moved my cheese. I blame @Jon even though that blame is thoroughly misplaced.
My top-bar userscript is angry about some top bar changes
 
10:04 PM
Ny rep/badges disappeared entirely from the topbar :)
 
userscript?
 
i just have a chat userscript installed on my home pc
it also allows me to burn messages, which is fun
 
@EriktheOutgolfer nope
 
then how did that happen
 
Changes SE side which doesn't like small screens such as my phone
 
10:06 PM
I'm using a PC and there are no visible changes for me
 
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Q: Why are rep and badges now collapsed on Safari iPad?

Stephen LeppikThis is the right edge of my topbar, starting today: Any particular reason why I'm not seeing my total reputation and badges there? Since it's a major part of the "gamification" setup, am I correct in thinking it's a bug? Is it exclusive to Safari iOS? Update: I highly doubt it's my viewport,...

 
@Rubio It's almost certainly my fault somehow.
 
@JonEricson its probably more @wipqozn's fault though
 
@JonEricson I was going to just blame this troublemaker who usually turns out to be involved somehow
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>_>
@Dragonrage lol Arqade meme
 
10:11 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer yes
alternatively you can blame caching
 
wow a rip off of shouldiblamecaching.com
ninja :/
 
we also used to have isuniwrong.com
 
@Dragonrage did Tim make that one too?
 
@Mithrandir i think GodEmperorDune made that one. or at least he hosts it iirc
come to think of it, we had a isfredleytrolling.tk or something too
 
10:54 PM
@Mithrandir I thought I was the only one
 

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