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1:10 AM
hm. Bmyguest deleted his Reduced-Association Numberâ„¢ puzzle. i really wanted to know the solution to that one!
 
 
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3:50 AM
@Deusovi howdy
 
4:21 AM
@Rubio Oh hey! Sorry, I just dropped in and didn't realize you said something.
 
hey no worries.
 
5:05 AM
A few easy-ish cryptic-clues for anyone who chances to notice:

An arbitrator is hidden inside Trump - I respect that (6)
What do you want here on Stack Exchange, Republican leaders? (3)
The point is, primarily Donald Trump has nothing (3)
Smart leaders of America support Trump? Uh, that's extraordinary (6)
 
5:28 AM
1 - umpire; 2 - rep? ; 3 & 4 no idea. i'm bad at these.
 
3 - dot?, 4 - astute
 
@Rubio Both correct :)
@Alconja Perfect!
 
nice. now i see it. lol
 
 
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10:41 AM
@stackreader i didnt want to sound punctilious, just my opinion ^^' (puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/45049/…)
 
 
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1:11 PM
@dcfyj Whoa the 3D puzzle is so hard.
 
The one I commented on?
 
@dcfyj Yes. I've been trying to solve it for a while, but no luck.
I thought I almost did it once, but nope.
 
You have a copy of it?
 
@dcfyj No, I recreated the 3D shapes in a 3D program and I keep moving around ahah... but it's harder without actually using my hands
It takes me longer to try more combinations
 
Which Is why I don't do 3d rubik's cubes online, they're annoying to work with. I prefer the physical thing, so much easier.
 
1:20 PM
which program?
 
@BeastlyGerbil Blender
@dcfyj Eh, well, I thought I'd give it a try.
@dcfyj Is teleporting pieces in place a valid move? :P Ahah
 
The one I have is similar, but probably not enough so that I can use it's solution to solve this one. Depends on whether those notches get in the way (talking about the notched inside the rings not the holes on the edges).
 
@dcfyj The E shape is the most annoying one.
Followed by the two Gs.
 
Try putting the full ring in that one first, that was my thought
 
I did try that, but... Let me see again.
I'm pretty sure the O is the first one to be placed. It's impossible to use it otherwise.
 
1:36 PM
If it's not solved by the time I get home I can see if I can find the paper solution for mine and see if that helps.
 
I think you can first place O, then a G around it, then a G through it. Then my visualization gets a little rough, but I think you can put the narrow C through, the wide C next to the O, and the E around it?
 
@Sconibulus That seems to work up to the second G, but with the narrow C I can't do much.
 
oh well
mechanical puzzles are hard to do digitally :)
 
1:54 PM
Indeed :D
 
All: I was going to remove the tag mechanical-puzzles from this puzzle because it doesn't apply, but then I realized it's there because of the fortnight. Thoughts?
5
Q: Ane and her block toys

Jamal SenjayaAne is a very smart kid. She has 9 number blocks [1] to [9], and 2 operation block [+] and [x]. Today She is playing with her blocks. She is so happy after arranging her blocks, then perform the math operation, the result is 100000. She even can create 2 operations. [4][8][x][5][6][+][9][7][3][...

 
@Sconibulus <wilful-misinterpretation>Mechanical puzzles are mostly impossible to do any way other than digitally.</wilful-misinterpretation>
 
Sid
The blocks are getting moved though.. but that is too weak of an argument to have the mechanical puzzle tag considering there is no mechanism to it....
This is more like a 6th or 7th grade maths problem..
0
Q: How to solve this IQ question

blackHawkIf 12 years are added to 2/3 age of someone, she will be three years older than today what is her present age? 1) 25 2) 27 3) 29 4) 26

 
@Sid yup, voted to close it.
 
2:28 PM
Looking at the comments, I think the guy didn't how to solve and he was asking for help, which would be on topic for the site.
 
2:41 PM
Technically, looking at this I should be the next 10ker...
 
@dcfyj which one are you talking about now?
@BeastlyGerbil Looks likely. Hurry up and get more rep, then!
 
The question you vtc'd that sid posted 20-30 minutes ago
 
@Gareth :P
 
@dcfyj I didn't VTC because I thought the poster knew how to solve it. I VTC because I think it's a schoolbook mathematics question rather than a puzzle.
 
ah ok
 
2:56 PM
It feels so thrilling to be the 5th VTCer :D
 
I've got a long way to go for that
 
@dcfyj Keep wandering in deserts and you'll get there soon :P
 
Those questions didn't get that many upvotes as I recall
 
Sid
Probably because Gareth simply quipqiupped them....:P
 
@dcfyj Hmm..maybe people got bored by deserts? What about Disneyland?
 
3:06 PM
Maybe the first one, but I don't think he looked at the other two.
 
@GarethMcCaughan Can you explain how the SOSTHINK works?
 
@Ankoganit Yeah, that, or get to be the first to answer some easy rebuses. I've earnt 200 rep quicker and easier that way than by actually making puzzles.
 
The only problem with that is I suck at solving puzzles on this site, either I'm too slow to see the question or I have no idea how to solve it.
 
@RosieF Yeah, answering is way more profitable.
 
Sid
@GarethMcCaughan You could just leave some answers for the rest of mortals like us... You are too fast.. :P
 
3:19 PM
I'm thinking people don't find my latest puzzle fun or they just gave up on it :(
or both
 
@dcfyj It looks nice, but it's actually a bit too time-consuming (at least for lazy people like me :P). It took me some time just to get the instructions.
 
I thought they were pretty clear, what was unclear about the rules?
 
@dcfyj I didn't even try it because the length of it was too overwhelming too me :D I tend to not participate in puzzles where community answers are anyway. I upvoted because of the effort it must've took, though. (and no, that's not meant in a bad way)
 
@dcfyj It's not unclear, it's actually too hard for me :D
 
Sid
@dcfyj To read the instructions and all the clues, it would take a big chunk of my time and for busy(read:lazy) people like me, it is too long...
 
3:24 PM
Yeah, I was hoping I didn't make it too hard too. Guess I failed at that part
 
That reminds me, I forgot to UV
Done
 
@Sid Good thing I didn't use a longer quote lol
 
@Ankoganit I don't know whether SOSTHINK does work, but the reasons why I think it's likely are the ones already given by someone else in another answer (SOS + THIN K). I haven't figured out anything to do with it, if that's what you mean.
 
I'm guessing that's a 10k+ thing?
 
@GarethMcCaughan Oh, hmm
@dcfyj What?
 
Sid
3:27 PM
@Ankoganit Now that you are here, have you studied maths stuff like Combinatorics and calculus in 11th?
 
The SOSTHINK
 
@Sid Yes (or I think so)
@Sid Actually maths is pretty much the only thing I study
(I pretend to study the rest)
 
@dcfyj I don't know about anyone else, but your most recent puzzle looks difficult to "get into". Even the community-wiki answer thing is kinda hard to make sense of. This isn't, for the avoidance of doubt, a problem with it, but it probably explains why it's getting less attention than you'd like: someone will only attack it if they have a reasonable-sized chunk of time to devote to it.
 
@dcfyj Not sure what you meant there, we are talking about a possible answer to a part of Dan's latest puzzle
 
Sid
@Ankoganit Combinatorics is like my favourite part in 11th. It looks purely logical rather than memorising tons of formula as in trigonometry...
 
3:32 PM
@Ankoganit oh ok
 
@Sid Yeah, me too. (Actually there are even nicer combinatorics out there, e.g., you may try some graph theory (not sure if you've already done))
 
Sid
I had seen graph theory once. But I soon forgot about it... Tough to manage all the subjects,you know...
 
You don't really need to memorize all the trig formulae. E.g., if you know the ones like cos(A+B)=... then you can deduce the ones like cos(A)+cos(B)=...; and if you know a bit about complex numbers then the ones like cos(A+B)=... are really just real and imaginary parts of products of complex numbers and their conjugates.
(Because if you write x=cos(theta) and y=sin(theta) then multiplying by x+iy = rotating anticlockwise by theta and multiplying by x-iy = rotating clockwise by theta, so e.g. cos(A+B) = real part of (x+iy)(p+iq) = xp-yq = cos(A)cos(B)-sin(A)sin(B).)
 
You can get all the trig identities from e^it = cos t + i sin t.
 
@Deusovi Isn't that exactly what I just said? :-)
 
Sid
3:40 PM
@GarethMcCaughan Yeah, that's how I had learnt the proof.
 
You didn't refer to the exponential function at all. :P
 
(except that I tried to make it a little more explicit because I think @Sid and @Ankoganit are still in high school.)
(which is why I didn't mention the relationship to the exponential function)
 
To be fair, I learned about Euler's identity in high school. It's not too difficult.
 
Me too. I wouldn't be surprised if Sid and Ankoganit have done likewise. But I'd rather not assume.
 
(Now let's hear from the pr0s) What are your favourite branches in mathematics @Deusovi @GarethMcCaughan ?
 
Sid
3:42 PM
Yeah, I had read it last year.
 
that's like asking a parent which is their favourite child.
 
Heh, I'm not a pro at all.
That being said, I've read a bit about group theory and I find it very interesting.
 
@GarethMcCaughan Some parents answer that question with no issues.
 
@dcfyj As it happens, I'm one of them.
(I have exactly one child.)
 
haha
 
3:44 PM
(I assume that is what you had in mind, rather than parents happy to play favourites.)
 
I was not referring to parents of only children
 
Oh, OK. Then yes, probably some can indeed do that, but probably most prefer not to even if they do have favourites.
 
Sid
Now, I may be too young but it would be depressing for a child if he/she is not a favorite of his/her father/mother
 
@Deusovi what do they teach in the first year?
 
Hm? Of what?
Just in college?
 
3:46 PM
@Deusovi Yeah
 
@Ankoganit Number theory and combinatorics have lots of beautiful things that can be appreciated without years of immersion. Complex analysis is fantastically useful and has lots of lovely things accessible at undergraduate level. I've always been partial to "foundations" -- set theory, logic, model theory, all that sort of stuff -- but many people find it impossibly dry.
 
I'm currently in a multivariable calculus / linear algebra class.
 
One area that combines a lot of these and that I think is particularly beautiful (though it seems disappointingly short of applications elsewhere in mathematics) is the body of theory developed mostly by J H Conway that unifies numbers with (one kind of) games.
 
Oh, game theory is fantastic.
 
@GarethMcCaughan Ooh, sounds cool
 
3:48 PM
(Warning: "game theory" means at least two VERY DIFFERENT things in mathematics. One is the Conway stuff I mentioned above. Another is associated with von Neumann and others and is closer to economics. Both are kinda cool but in very different ways.)
 
@GarethMcCaughan Yes, I like that theory, too -- what of it I can understand! I like it that some 2-player games with simple rules can have very complicated strategies.
 
(Usually "game theory" means the latter.)
 
@Deusovi It may be just me, but I find both linear algebra and real analysis pretty boring :(
 
I read Conway's "On numbers and games" shortly before starting university and understood maybe half of it but that was enough to know I loved it.
 
Or maybe I haven't gone deep enough to appreciate
 
3:50 PM
@Ankoganit Linear algebra is really boring (to me, anyway) but incredibly useful throughout mathematics (both pure and applied). Real analysis I always rather liked, but my tastes may be odd.
 
@GarethMcCaughan When I was at uni, I bought vol.2 of the (then 2-volume) Winning Ways. One of my most-used books.
 
(The thing with both is to get good enough at them that you no longer have to think about them. This may take a while.)
Yes, Winning Ways is lovely. I lent my copy to someone who never gave it back (and I was never able to remember who it was) so I ended up buying the 4-volume version. I'm kinda nostalgic for the 2-volume version :-).
 
@Ankoganit Matrix multiplication was very unintuitive for me at first. It would've made much more sense (at first) if the first matrix was transposed.
 
@Deusovi Somebody told matrix multiplication becomes a lot more natural when you look at matrices as linear maps instead of just arrays
 
@Ankoganit Hmmm... Well, linear maps are one application of matrices, yes... Just as vectors are one application of one-dimensional arrays of numbers.
 
3:54 PM
@Ankoganit Sure, it makes sense to me now. (If you transposed at first, then it wouldn't be associative.) But it was definitely weird at first, especially since matrices' numbering convention is different from that of graphs.
 
Sid
Matrices are usually boring(at least for me) and as Deusovi says, the multiplication is unintuitive.. I always struggled with that part...
 
game theory, answer is almost always "backward induction" - Ben Polack (Yale)
 
@RosieF Yeah, it's just a way to understand why matrix multi is defined as it is
 
@RosieF hehe, ever played poker? :p
 
@JonathanAllan Or "retrograde analysis" as it is sometimes called by those who build tabebases of game positions. (To the possible confusion of those who study retrograde analysis problems.)
 
3:57 PM
^^
 
@JonathanAllan I like it that some 2-player games with simple rules, no random elements and no hidden info can have very complicated strategies.
 
Aha, I got the thing I was looking for:
 
hi pple
 
@Ankoganit Nah. "matrix represents a linear map between two vector spaces. Writing it in the form of an {m \times n} matrix...". As he says. A matrix represents a linear map. A matrix isn't the same thing as a linear map. Just as a sequence of coordinates represents a point, but isn't the same thing.
@Xenocacia Hi!
 
sorry to interrupt your conversation, but i just wanted to ask: what does a high rep do for a user?
 
4:03 PM
@RosieF I guess that depends on what you define as being the same thing
 
@Ankoganit He's ranting about teaching linear maps in terms of matrices. So, there might be better ways to teach linear algebra. Fine. But that doesn't mean that the one and only use of matrices is representing linear maps.
 
@RosieF Yeah, correct.
@Xenocacia You get privileges like VTCing, deleting, and stuff
 
oh. okay
thanks
i was wondering if it was something i should be working towards
which would be tricky because it seems my forte lies in puzzle creation, not solving
and rep for creating puzzles is a little... underpowered?
 
Sid
uninterrupted edits as well. That's my next target... 2k rep...
 
ah, right
 
4:11 PM
The rep mechanism here is the same as on other Stack Overflow sites, where usually answers are more valuable than questions.
That's generally backwards for Puzzling, where creating a good puzzle is usually a bigger contribution to the community than solving one.
 
@GarethMcCaughan (and ofc @Gareth has no problem with that :P)
 
But Puzzling is kinda a special case and obviously the powers that be at Stack Exchange aren't going to make exceptions to the rules just for here.
 
oh yeah i do see that name around a LOT
oh well then
thanks, good to know
 
@Ankoganit On the contrary, I think it's very unfortunate. It happens to work out nicely for me, but that's not at all the same as being a good thing.
 
@GarethMcCaughan I was just kidding
Alright, gtg now. See you all later :-)
 
4:13 PM
@Ankoganit I know you were :-).
 
Sid
The problem here is, all the puzzles are solved in a jiffy... and the only ones left are some riddles in which getting the correct answer is like a lottery...
 
Again, the corresponding "problem" is a Good Thing on basically all the other Stack Exchange sites...
(but yes, it's frustrating sometimes.)
... Though there are some very decent-looking puzzles that have been unsolved for some time now.
 
4:38 PM
@Sid I find that I actually edit less now that I'm over 2k rep. I think it's because I'm not being crosschecked by others as much.
 
I never edited all that much to begin with here
I have difficulty knowing if misspellings or awkward idioms are intentional or not
 
I usually fix those when I know they're wrong, but that's usually in answers rather than questions.
 
the trouble of course is that in questions they may be deliberate clues.
 
Yup, but in answers they're just typoes :P
 
@GarethMcCaughan Not only that, but even if every individual word in a question is correctly spelt but the question is unclear, and you think of one possible thing the OP could have been trying to say, it mightn't be the only thing. If the OP is re-telling a puzzle you know, fine, but if it's an original puzzle you might have to desist from correcting even though you know the OP needs correcting.
 
4:54 PM
Yup.
 
5:10 PM
@RosieF That's when you leave a comment that says something along the lines of "did you mean ...?"
 
5:25 PM
oh yeah, like that 'sum of set of primes' riddle or whatever
 
?
 
I can't actually find it, but there was a problem where there was a series of numbers that was either the sum or product of the nth primes, where n was any set of natural numbers that summed to x. There were gaps in the sequence, and some sort of riddle cluing it. I also think it had a mistake or three that the author denied when asked about in the comments
 
No idea what puzzle you're talking about, but ok :)
 
Does anyone know Libreoffice or Excel good enough? I need help with a formula.
 
I'm pretty good in excel
 
5:33 PM
I'm certified to teach excel (granted its the 2006 version but still)
What's up?
 
Is it possible to have not only a range of cells to check (for a count for example), but also a range of criteria? Otherwise, I'm forced to repeat the formula for n times and it gets... messy and tedious.
Like if I want to count the instances of the letters A to Z in a row, I don't want to have to use =COUNTIF for 26 times.
Ideally, I'm looking for something like =COUNTIF(A1:Z1,A:Z), or similar.
 
@Alenanno Do you have enough cells to spare to put the count of A's in one cell, ...., the count of Z's in a 26th cell, and their sum or whatever in another cell?
 
well, you could use =countifs (with an s at the end) it allows for multiple criteria
 
@RosieF No, because I have many rows, and that means I would have to duplicate the rows.
@dcfyj Yes, but that would only save me typing "COUNTIF", no? :P
It feels weird that Excel doesn't have something like this.
 
@Alenanno I see but do you have 26 (or how ever many) spare columns? so that all the working out for one row is still in that row?
 
5:38 PM
I think I'll ask on SU.
 
=countifs(criteria_range1,criteria1,criteria_range2,criteria2, etc)
 
@RosieF Well, after the table is over, I have infinite columns, but I was hoping to get it done in one column, with a single formula/command (if I understood what you mean).
 
There's probably some clever way of combining formulas that I'm not thinking of
 
I'm thinking e.g. AA1 is =countif($a1:$z1,char(column()-27+65))
which you could copy and paste all the way across to AZ1
 
If you're willing to write your own macro function you could do it that way
just put it in a loop
 
5:40 PM
Where 65 means the code of 'A' and I used 27 only because that's the column number of column AA
 
@dcfyj There are loops in Excel?
 
If you're writing code (writing the macro type stuff rather than recording it)
 
@RosieF I see what you mean.
 
it's under the developer tab (which you have to manually enable)
@RosieF He still ends up using the same formula over and over though
 
To be honest, I was trying to do this because it seemed less complicated, but maybe I can ask you guys for the original thing I needed (which might be simpler). Basically I have a medium-sized table. What I want to do is, for each cell, check if there are duplicates in its current row/column and let me know where they are, even a simple red background will do.
I managed to do it for one row, but I was wondering if I could apply this to the whole table without having to redo the command for each col/row.
I thought that the countif could solve my problems by counting the instances of dupes, but it seems it's going to be harder lol
 
5:44 PM
something else you could do is something like =countif(a1:z30, or(true,true,true,true))
where the range is multiple columns and the or has each letter rather than true
 
@dcfyj What does the "or(true,true,true,true))" do?
 
I didn't feel like writing the whole thing :P
I forget how to referrence the cell value in a formula too, so that doesn't help
 
I think you can do a conditional format for Unique In Range
you'd basically just need to apply one of those on each row and column
 
I've done something like that before, let me see if I can find the formula I used
or you could use the Cell value conditional formatting
 
@dcfyj Let me know if you do find it.
Yes the conditional formatting works, but either it works in one row (A1:Z1), and I need to redo the process for each row and column, or I apply it to the whole table, resulting in it thinking that all cells are duplicates instead of "this row and this column".
 
5:55 PM
Ahh, that could be a pain
most of my experience with excel formatting is programattic, so doing it once vs doing it a hundred times is just a matter of a simple loop
 
Why not do one for columns and another for rows?
 
I think it's Unique/Duplicate within range, so he'd have to define the hundreds of ranges, or whatever
I imagine this is for a sudoku-like thing?
 
@Sconibulus I get the impression that a spreadsheet is not the best tool for the task, and you'd be better off writing an actual program.
 
@Sconibulus Ah no, it's not sudoku.
 
This is a macro I wrote to hide rows base on a value in the row, I'm sure you could adapt it to your liking: Private Sub Worksheet_Change(ByVal Target As Range)
Application.ScreenUpdating = False
Sheets("Sheet1").Protect Password:="spider", UserInterFaceOnly:=True
' Dim R As Range
' Set R = Application.Intersect(Target, Range("A1:A10"))
' If R Is Nothing Then Exit Sub
With ActiveSheet
For Each Cell In Range("B8:B38")
If CInt(Cell.Value) > CInt(Cells(5, 8).Value) Then
Cell.EntireRow.Hidden = True
 
6:00 PM
Can you apply conditional formats in a macro?
 
If you want to give me a sample data I can play around with it
@Sconibulus No but you can change the formats yourself.
 
If so, the easy way is probably to loop through the row and column range creating and applying in the macro
damn
 
You can apply any format that a condition format does using conditions :P
It just won't disappear as easily
@Alenanno Do you have a sample I can play with or is this for a puzzle?
 
@dcfyj Well, mine is kind of huge, but you can use this to recreate the situation (checking for dupes in row and columns):
2, 6, 1, 18, 3
1, 6, 10, 19, 7
14, 8, 7, 16, 15
11, 4, 16, 2, 12
1, 8, 6, 11, 4
19, 4, 2, 12, 14
20, 4, 12, 1, 16
10, 20, 19, 4, 2
13, 1, 14, 5, 3
16, 12, 1, 14, 3
For example, B1, and B2, both have 6.
For now, the puzzle is just how to achieve this thing LOL
Let me know if you can do it
 
So you're looking for duplicates in each column or row?
 
6:10 PM
Yep!
 
ok
 
There shouldn't be any dupes in the rows in those sets I gave you, but you can just manually add some random numbers to create them.
By the way, it's not about a puzzle, I was just messing with it. :P
 
If you can get that to work though, that does give me an idea for a puzzle
 
@Sconibulus AH! What kind of puzzle? :P
A Sudoku type thing?
 
Yeah, kinda
Basically, you could make a giant Ken-Ken type thing, maybe 26x26, with certain squares highlighted that are part of the solution. Excel could have formats to check and highlight mistakes and dupes on Sums, Products, Differences, etc. (Otherwise such a big grid is probably impossible)
then the highlighted numbers could form a password or something
it'd be a good use of I think, and there aren't that many of those
(Ken-Ken is what it's called on nytimes.com, I haven't actually seen it anywhere else, but it's a simple enough idea to probably have dozens of names)
 
6:19 PM
Calcudoku is another name for those
or Killer sudoku
 
@Sconibulus Maybe there are online tools for creating "Ken-Ken" styled puzzles, did you check?
 
There are, there are also solvers for them (although I've only seen up to 6X6)
 
What about a... SUDOOKU?
 
Shouldn't that be Killer Sudooku?
 
@dcfyj Yeah sure. :P
 
6:51 PM
@Alenanno so suppose your numbers are in A1..E10. You can put =COUNTIF($A1:$E1,A1) in G1 and copy that over the range G1..K10; values >1 indicate duplicates within a row. Do the same with =COUNTIF(A$1:A$10) and values >1 indicate duplicates within a column. You can put 'em together: put =COUNTIF($A1:$E1,A1)+COUNTIF(A$1:A$10,A1)=2 and then you'll get false entries when either the row or column has a dupe.
(I tried this in Excel; don't know whether other Excel-like spreadsheets will do the same but would expect so for OpenOffice/LibreOffice.)
 
@GarethMcCaughan This basically makes two additional copies of the table though, one for the row check, and one for the column check
 
One copy suffices (as I said). Since you have to put the dupe-or-not information somewhere, that seems OK to me.
 
Using conditional formatting and 2 formula's I'm pretty sure I got it to work correctly
 
I forget just how general conditional formatting is; perhaps you can use essentially the same formulae I proposed putting in different cells in a conditional format.
 
=COUNTIF(A1:F1,A1)>1 and =COUNTIF(A1:A10,A1)>1 both with the same range
The first one is rows the second is columns
 
6:57 PM
yup. If you're filling that in over a block of the spreadsheet you need some dollar signs so that the range doesn't shift. Maybe conditional-formatting formulae work differently.
 
If you want to highlight all duplicates (not skipping over first occurrence) put $ signs in front of the range letter on the rows one and in front of the range number on the columns one
Conditional does shift over, but it does it in a loop like way
I don't know if @Alenanno is paying attention or if he's noticed I found the forumlas he wanted :P
 
@dcfyj You mean, =COUNTIF(A1:F1,A1)>1?
 
=COUNTIF($A1:$F1,A1)>1 and =COUNTIF(A$1:A$10,A1)>1 both with the same range (highlights all occurrences of duplication in a given row or column)
Of course you'll need to change the letters/numbers to the appropriate ones
don't change the >1 though, that needs to be there, and the second value (A1) is whatever the top left corner of your grid is
I think @Sconibulus might want those for his puzzle idea from earlier :P
 
@dcfyj Yes yes, I did see this formula before but so, is A1 supposed to change in your solution? I mean, you want to do that
 
Oh, nah, coming up with a 26x26 unique grid sounds really hard
 
7:06 PM
basically, =COUNTIF($A1:$F1,A1)>1 loops through each cell in the range, say A1;F10, only changing the row number when comparing and the row/column for the cell it's comparing to
And the other formula does the same thing but changing the column instead of the row
Putting the $ sign in front of each piece "locks" that piece in place so it can't change.
 
@dcfyj Ok, but I'd have to do this for n times for "A1", no? Like, A1, B1, C1, ...
Because that compares the range to the selected cell
 
Nope, just go to conditional formating and put those 2 equations, no more no less
In the applies to box put whatever the range you're checking against is.
You'll also have to put what kind of formatting you want of course, but it's rather minor work to do compared to doing each row and each column individually
 
@dcfyj I have to go afk for a while, I'll try later. In the meantime, thanks for your time. :D I'll let you know when I have results.
 
ok
Make sure you save those :P
Apparently @MOehm tried to sneak in here :P
I just noticed that in 366 rep I'll be able to vtc
nifty
 
7:32 PM
@dcfyj Oh, I didn't want to sneak on you. I just entered and didn't want to barge into an ongoing conversation. And then I had to answer the phone.
 
We were just talking about excel formulas and getting them to do what we wanted :P
 
Ugh, Excel. That's not my forte anyway.
 
I learned it and took a certification test for it in high school
It's really not all that complicated at its core. Just a bunch of formulas
Writing macros for it is probably the hardest thing to do, wish they'd update the language for it, it's like working with vb 6...
 
I don't even know what a macro is so...
 
A prerecorded set of clicks and/or keyboard hits that do a specific function
 
7:38 PM
Oh, I know my way round simple, basic Excel, but I'm not very proficient with it. And I don't really like it. The formulas are clumsy, in my opinion.
 
Clumsy? How so?
 
@dcfyj I have the certification for ECDL as well. It was kinda funny for me getting it.
 
All those $A$1, $A1, A1 and so on. I don't find that easy to follow.
 
Mine's so outdated I doubt I could used it lol, I took the certification test back in 2005 or so
@MOehm Like I was saying earlier (not sure if this is before you came in or not) the $ signs just "lock" that particular piece in place, nothing more really
so $A1 lock the columns not the rows, $A$1 locks both, A$1 locks the rows, and A1 lock nothing
 
And then there's the issue of licalisation. Everyone in the world uses sqrt as the function name for the square root and so does Excel, but we have a German-language installation of couirse, so it's the Wurzel(x). Gah! That's even inaccurate, it shoulöd be the Quadratwurzel to get the maximum out of German verbosity.
 
7:43 PM
The only time you need them is if you're dragging functions across cells (to copy them) or in more complicated functions for conditional formatting where you need it to loop a certain way.
 
@dcfyj. I know what it means, but I don't think it's a nice syntax. Anyway, clumsiness is in the eye of the user I guess and I'm an old grumpy man.
 
Lol, that's a translation error then, nothing to do with Excel, but to do with Microsoft
I can't image you're that much older than I
 
Yes, but why can't they let us use sqrt and all the other more or less canonical function names? In the underlying XML the functions show up in English.
 
Beats me, I guess they wanted to make it friendlier towards people who don't know English? I don't know lol
 
(Yeah, I probably could try to find a langaue setting, but I try to keep my time with Excel to a minimum, so I haven't bothered yet.)
 
7:49 PM
So really your only qualms are aesthetics and syntax
 
@dcfyj The distinction between A1, $A1, A$1 and $A$1 is in LibreOffice Calc, too. Nothing to do with Excel or with Microsoft.
 
No idea, never seen or heard of it
European program perhaps?
 
But that's because LibreOffice builds on the standards set by Excel, no?
 
Anyhow, catch you folks later.
 
Okay, bye. Although "later", I'll be in bed.
 
 
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Q: MathJax Usage Guidelines

Dan RussellIt's cool that we can use MathJax to do nice stuff like: $$\{0+ai,0-ai^\frac{2}3,0+\frac{i}a,0-\frac{i}a\}\forall a \in A \subseteq \Bbb{R}$$ (stolen from this Jonathan Allan answer) or this: $$\sum_{i=0}^n i^2 = \frac{(n^2+n)(2n+1)}{6}$$ (stolen from this Mathematics Meta answer). But we...

 
I've got a puzzle to post tomorrow, whee!
but that's after I vet it, right now it's home time
 
 
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@dcfyj I'm not sure where I'm supposed to paste that formula... :/
 
11:31 PM
In the home tab of the ribbon go to conditional formatting and go down to manage rules. Click new rule and go down to use formula (or something like that, it's the bottom one). In the textbox paste one of the formulas (make sure you change the range on them to the values you need), change the format to whatever you like and click OK. Once you go back to the root managing box, click the drop down and select entire sheet.
On your rule in the applies to textbox put the full range of what you want to check.
 

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