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11:12 AM
Hello all, I have the following question: what conditions must a discontinuous $f$ satisfy for the $\int f(x) \ dx$ to be continuous?
I would say the set of discontinuities must have measure zero.
Am I missing something else?
 
 
4 hours later…
2:57 PM
if $f$ is discontinuous then can we perform the integration $\int f dx ?$
yes perhaps i have seen the characteristic functions integrated this way in measure theory
 
3:20 PM
@BAYMAX I didn't answer that question but posted a comment:
For an unconventional but more powerful notion of differentiability, see this post. — user21820 1 min ago
@SimplyBeautifulArt: And then I noticed that you had posted this wrong answer many months ago. So many reasons why it is wrong, and it's best that you delete it.
 
@user21820 Yeah sure :P
 
@SimplyBeautifulArt That was quick. Didn't know you were around. Thanks!
 
@user21820 =P You aren't in the rooms I usually find you in...
 
Your answer is related to implicit function theorem right @user21820
and also looks interesting
 
@BAYMAX It's a vast generalization.
 
3:24 PM
I will read it
means?
 
Well it's a generalization in the sense that derivatives are treated in terms of a parameter, rather than forcing one of the coordinates to be a parameter. So sometimes curves that don't have any ordinary derivative at a point have a derivative under my framework, such as the second example.
 
nice, i will definitely read it!
 
This makes intuitive yet rigorous proofs of the various rules in the style of Leibniz actually possible. Feel free to ask anything about it and I will clarify.
 
yup! sure
> I just love coming up with all these strange curves! =) – user21820 Feb 16 at 10:17
then @user21820 Fractals and Chaos theory gives ua lot of beautiful curves!
 
@BAYMAX Indeed, except they're not so much curves as patterns. =)
 
3:29 PM
ok
 
You know about curves like continuous but nowhere differentiable curves, right?
 
it would be nice to study about the curves ! like theoir properties which may reveal a great deal of info!
$x \sin(1/x)$
?
 
If you have Graph I can just send you files for these curves.
 
sure but i wonder why you donot use Desmos?
 
Well, Graph allows recursive functions, which I use to construct the fractals. Can Desmos? I also use Geogebra, but like the crisp look of Graph.
 
3:33 PM
Oh wow!
 
I realized I can't upload the file, but here are the functions:
 
I am dnldng graph
 
Press Ctrl+F to define functions. Then add the following.
f(x) = if(x<0 or x>1,f(x-floor(x))+floor(x),x<1/4,f(4x)/2,x>3/4,1/2+f(4x-3)/2,1/2)
g(x) = if(x<0 or x>1,g(x-floor(x)),abs(x-1/2)<err,1/2,x<1/2,x+g(2x)/2,1-x+g(2x-1)/2)
err = 2^-64
Then plot y=f(x) and y=g(x) to see these two well-known pathological graphs.
 
@user21820 Desmos can't do automatic recursion
 
I see thanks. Good to know. Anyway one has to be careful with Graph's numerical integration; it's not accurate in some pathological cases.
 
3:40 PM
:P Not many good numerical integral calculators out there
 
And one more standard pathological curve:
y = x^2*sin(1/x^3)
 
Or more generally y = x^k*sin(1/x^n)?
 
f is an unbounded monotonic continuous function with zero derivative almost everywhere.
g is a bounded continuous function that is nowhere differentiable.
The third is a differentiable function whose derivative is not Riemann integrable.
@SimplyBeautifulArt For some k,n you get the above pathological behaviour. Too lazy to figure out which. =P
It's just those that are differentiable but whose derivative is unbounded near zero.
 

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