Programming Language Design and Implementation

the fun part about this whole process is that we'll have to do a second and third wave of advertising for the committing phase and private/public beta

meaning we'll be doing this all over again

user

1:40 AM

I believe in you :P

59 followers in a day is crazy

Ginger

well here at CGCC we love doing it all over again

we'll do it a hundred million times over again if need be

user

As long as it doesn't take too much effort

Ginger

...it's a reference to a ytp q:

user

Oh

lyxal

@user we'll get the joj done

user

1:41 AM

Ah, I thought you were licking your eye before you edited

Ginger

this site was brought to you by HoH SiS Foundation Repair

~~we need to list that as our sponsor now~~

lyxal

100% unsatisfied :p

gonna have to do it all over again

Ginger

I think that's all of the (non-vulgar) references

AYYYY WE DID IT

60 FOLLOWERS IN A SINGLE DAY BABY

lyxal

now for the questions :p

Seggan

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ginger

1:49 AM

in The Nineteenth Byte, 19 secs ago, by Ginger

now do some voting

lyxal have you considered a career in marketing :p

lyxal

lol

Ginger

in The Nineteenth Byte, 12 hours ago, by lyxal

y'know what would be funny - if the site proposal got more followers than Cyrptocurrency in less than 24 hours

we did it baby

lyxal

2 hours ago, by lyxal

take that web3

Seggan

guys ive updated the q doc

lyxal

q doc?

Ginger

1:51 AM

7 hours ago, by Ginger

Put good questions to vote on here!

Seggan

pinned

lyxal

wouldn't a better strat just be distribute votes away from those with 10+ to closer answers?

Ginger

yes, if that answer has >10 votes

otherwise it goes below 10

lyxal

obviously

Seggan

@lyxal twatt were doing

we garnered 60 follows in 21 hours and 51 minutes

lyxal

2:00 AM

61

Get your follower count right, idiot :p

Also, 33 more 10scores to go

Seggan

@lyxal i was looking at chat transcripts

lyxal

word has been spreadified to the two major esolang discord servers

Ginger

cool && spicy

Seggan

2:48 AM

right, when i wake up, i expect the number of needed 10 point qs to be 30

Radvylf Programs

3:15 AM

:o No way, we're at >60

I'm late :p

Conveniently, each page contains 40 questions

So we just need an entire page of questions at +10 or higher

Easy, right? ...right?

Radvylf Programs

3:43 AM

Can we get some Reddit upvotes on this

emanresu A

4:15 AM

@RadvylfPrograms Looks like you got some

@Seggan I maybe ahve an account

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA I got one

I linked to a comment, not the whole post

emanresu A

Ah okay

Could ask a mod to pin it

Radvylf Programs

4:46 AM

Can we get some RO votes on this

Emanresu already fixed the subjective parts, someone randomly threw in a fifth close vote

Anyway, 'night y'all, we better be in private beta in the next 21 hours ;p

mousetail

6:37 AM

If anyone can still post another question: "Should I have the concept of a "statement" distinct from a expression? Why or why not?"

lyxal

Will do

Done

mousetail

TY

lyxal

67 btw

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Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: Should I have the concept of a "statement" distinct from a expressio…

posted on November 19, 2022 by lyxal

Question by lyxal for Programming Language Design

lyxal

2 more until funny number

8 more until our proposal becomes the most currently followed proposal

mousetail

6:49 AM

I wonder how our speed compares to all proposals

lyxal

You know what would be funny, getting more followers than the code golf proposal did

Also, our speed is faster than what code golf was

It took around a month to get 60

We smashed that in a day

mousetail

It's really nice to see a ton of positive reactions on all the platforms where we posted. Seems this really is a topic that interests a lot of people

lyxal

10:06 AM

Someone downvoted quite a few questions

Meaning we've gone from 33 left back to 35

Ginger

12:09 PM

@lyxal this is why we can't have nice things

also damn 70

can we get some reopen votes here?

mousetail

I don't think I have the re-open votes privelige

Ginger

shoot, how far are you from it?

mousetail

I have 125, need 25 more

Ginger

hmmmmmmmm

best post some questions then :p

mousetail

Maybe I should post some questions on the other proposals to grind karma

Ginger

12:19 PM

> karma

mousetail

I spend too much time on reddit

Ok I followed the other proposals which should give me 10 rep but hasn't

Feeds

12:42 PM

Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: How should I specify my language to make sure implementations will n…

posted on November 19, 2022 by user3840170

Question by user3840170 for Programming Language Design

Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: What is the out-of-thin-air value problem (OOTA) and how can I avoid…

posted on November 19, 2022 by user3840170

Question by user3840170 for Programming Language Design

Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: How should I define the semantics of garbage collection and finaliza…

posted on November 19, 2022 by user3840170

Question by user3840170 for Programming Language Design

Ginger

cmooon one more reopen vote

also would someone please explain what a character is to user3840170?

Ok ok

1:36 PM

1:47 PM

We have the same number of followers as VFX now

lyxal

we're tying VFX Pipelines for most followed current proposal

give it a bit of time, we'll overtake them too

mousetail

They haven't had a new follower in a week

We're also doing pretty good on 10 score questions actually, 9/40

Ginger

2:13 PM

@lyxal NOW WE ARE THE [[Number 1 Rated Proposal1997]]

mousetail

2:27 PM

We're still tied for 74

Seggan

12 hours ago, by Seggan

right, when i wake up, i expect the number of needed 10 point qs to be 30

if that closing didnt happen, it wouldve come true :P

@mousetail they did: me

mousetail

@Seggan Recent followers doesn't show it I guess

Seggan

i hate how theres no reply feature in the "suggest improvements" box

mousetail

You can't even tag people

Note I edited that question significantly since kaya3 commented to make it more specific

Seggan

2:43 PM

arrgh i cant reopen vote

woops i unfollowed by accident

i meant to unfollow vfx

Ginger

3:00 PM

can one of yall update the hackmd?

hackmd tip: lots of things have hover info

like cursors, which show you whose they are

also, IMO people are abusing the close votes

Seggan

yep

Ginger

@mousetail did you see the hackmd?

mousetail

Yes, what about it?

Ginger

cool just wanted to make sure

~~maybe we should link this room on reddit~~

mousetail

Do it

Seggan

3:08 PM

yeah

Ginger

can't, no account

someone else will have to

mousetail

We can't balance the votes if there is just the 3 of us

Ginger

but

the hackmd

we can't let that get leaked

because reddit does not mix well with publicly-editable documents :p

mousetail

Link the room, not the document

Ginger

the doc is linked in the sidebar

mousetail

3:10 PM

Yes but 90% of trolls will troll the room first, give us time to prepare

Ginger

can someone get a mod? I'm moving it to a new hackmd so I can control who can edit but I need a mod to 11 the pinned comment

oh wait, I can just make a new one :p

Put good questions here!

3

Seggan

@Ginger its already been leaked

Ginger

eh

Seggan

hrm and how do i get perms?

also, in the old one, maybe say "join this room to request access"

Ginger

working on it

first you need to sign in to hackmd (ideally with github)

hmmmmmmmmmm

I don't think I can make it so only certain people can use the doc

I can however set it so anyone can comment

Seggan

3:13 PM

theres google docs

Ginger

and then I can do the edits

@Seggan no good, privacy issues

brb

Seggan

i can host it

Ginger

ok back

@Seggan but people can still see my username and email

Seggan

true

wait so how do i comment

Ginger

highlight text and click "comment"

Seggan

3:23 PM

theres no such button anywhere

lets gooo we beat vfx

@Ginger it says i cant edit it when i click ze button

Ginger

hmmmmmmmm

@Seggan are you signed in

doesn't look like it to me

Seggan

no

Ginger

you have to be signed in to comment

damn 75 followers

Seggan

argh i cant sign up

Ginger

@Seggan use github

VFX got about 1000 views and 74 followers in a month; we got 2000 views and 75 followers in 2 days

Seggan

3:28 PM

@Ginger where

i dont see any sign in with GH

Ginger

@Seggan on the sign in page, scroll down

Seggan

thats all

Ginger

@Seggan click "sign up"

Seggan

same thing

Ginger

hmmmmmmmmmm

one second

Seggan

3:30 PM

hmm adblock seems to have deleted it

Ginger

I see it on the sign in page

Seggan

adblock

Ginger

ah

guess you have to turn adblock off temporarily

Seggan

hmm i see a tab collaborative notes, you sure it cant be done?

Ginger

also, there's a non-signed-in user in this room right now; don't discuss any CGCC secrets :p

@Seggan not entirely

but the settings let me make it so that only I can edit, only signed-in people can edit, or anyone can edit

that's it

Seggan

3:33 PM

oof

still cant leave comments

"sorry, only the owner can edit this note"

Ginger

@Seggan I've tried sending you an invite

@Seggan are you sure you're commenting?

Seggan

@Ginger yes

Ginger

that's... weird

so you highlight text, click "comment", and it errors?

Seggan

ye

Ginger

that's weird

Seggan

3:35 PM

also i see no invite

Ginger

I've made a comment, can you reply to it?

Seggan

Ginger

._.

Seggan

i can reply, but not make

Ginger

oh wait

are you commenting on the markdown or the visual?

Seggan

3:36 PM

visual

when replying

when trying to create one im on markdown

Ginger

can you create one in visual?

Seggan

idk how

Ginger

switch to visual, highlight text, click "Comment"

or

Seggan

theres no comment button at all

Ginger

._.

Seggan

3:40 PM

lemme record rq

nvm

i can leave a comment on visual

Ginger

cool!

Seggan

but i cant select text

nvm

can no one reopen the string one?

Ginger

uh

which one?

also @mousetail if you have a reddit acct could you post a link to this room?

@Seggan the char arrays one?

we need one more vote for that to be reopened

Seggan

@Ginger ye

arrrgh i need 41 more rep

if we go into beta, what domain should we do

im thinking langdev, but it might be too informal

Ginger

^

Seggan

3:51 PM

languagedesign might be more formal

Ginger

that'll probably be it

~~also maybe we can lobby for a chat easter egg~~

Seggan

has anyone posted on HN yet

Ginger

don't think so

but I believe radvylf stated that it was mostly dead

Seggan

so ive been looking at the qs

and a lot of them are like "Why should I..."

those could be a lot better rephrased as "What are the advantages/disadvantages of..."

Ginger

you can certainly add comments

Seggan

4:03 PM

ik, but just wanna say it here too

so ppl wont post more like that

oh

i just realized i can get that extra 50 rep by simply verifying email :P

mousetail

@Ginger Someone should definatly post on HN

Seggan

so i can use that reopen vote now

mousetail

Should I make a new thread on reddit or post to the old one? New thread would be spammy but nobody is going to read the old one since it's old

HN is very alive

Seggan

@mousetail its still the top thread when ordering by hot

mousetail

Which one?

Seggan

4:08 PM

ok, almost top

@mousetail who has HN tho?

Ginger

@mousetail post to old

also, look over your votes and make sure you don't have any on >10 questions

Seggan

i think we should post a new one during commitment and private beta tho

Ginger

yes, but we're not there yet

room topic changed to Programming Language Design: Room for discussion of area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/127456/… [discussion] [site-definition]

mousetail

Ok posted

Seggan

@Ginger whatd you change?

mousetail

4:13 PM

But Radwylfs last comment got barely any views either and that was posted like 12 hours ago

@Seggan You can just make a account

Seggan

@mousetail yeah but making a new post would be spammy

mousetail

I know that's the dilemma

@Seggan tags

ah

77!

4:25 PM

29!!

Ginger

we're aware :p

it's interesting how there are no questions with scores between 4 and 9

also, we're pretty close to the 80 follower theoretical minimum

although you can actually vote w/o following

huh

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Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: What are the advantages of a tree node type as one of the type syste…

posted on November 19, 2022 by bigyihsuan

Question by bigyihsuan for Programming Language Design

Ginger

4:45 PM

it seems that the follower growth has tapered off

mousetail

@Ginger Most of our users are unregistered and can't vote

Ginger

shoot

it'd sure be not good if we just never get the requisite votes :p

Seggan

5:07 PM

my calculations suggest that at this rate well get our votes in a week

Radvylf Programs

Morning!

Ginger

g'stronkus

since you left:
- we became the [[Number 1 Rated Proposal1997]]
- 11/40 10-score questions
- hackmd reshuffling

Radvylf Programs

Anyone want to RO review this

Maybe it would be a good opportunity to use the discussion zone

Ginger

hmmmmmm

mousetail

It is very very broad

Ginger

5:16 PM

^

Radvylf Programs

I don't see an issue with that for this format

Ginger

but like you said, it's similar to our tips

Radvylf Programs

I see this question as being like a tips question on CGCC

Sure it's broad, and that's the point. It's intended to collect a large variety of single ideas for optimizing an interpreter.

Asking on discussion zone rn

mousetail

The issue with this is that many of the techniques, like bytecode, JIT, incremental compilation, type inference etc. are all also broad enough to have university degrees about them

Plus just optimizing software in general would be a good answer to that

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, but having that list in the first place would be a good reference to look at

@mousetail I think it'd be like our tips questions, where tips broader than the context asked about (e.g., "remove whitespace") aren't allowed

mousetail

5:19 PM

I disagree but feel free to VTRO if you want

Radvylf Programs

So "optimize your interpreter with -O3" or whatever wouldn't be on-topic to that question

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Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: Tabs vs Spaces - What should I use?

posted on November 19, 2022 by Pixelbog

Question by Pixelbog for Programming Language Design

mousetail

@Feeds cv-plz

Radvylf Programs

I say ask for improvement before CVing

We've had questions edited to be fixed on 3 or 4 CVs then closed by some rando who jumps on the bandwagon after the fact

mousetail

This is clearly a troll though

Radvylf Programs

5:24 PM

I don't think so?

Seggan

i think so

tho id leave a comment first

Radvylf Programs

Why do y'all think it's a troll

Seggan

@RadvylfPrograms agreed

@RadvylfPrograms its not related at all to our site

Radvylf Programs

> This question needs a little extra clarification I think. Is this for significant-whitespace languages, where you're asking about which you should support (or both)? ...

I think it easily could be

Presume good intent

mousetail

Also do you guys think user3840170 is trolling?

Radvylf Programs

5:34 PM

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Q: Will PLD allow list questions?

Proposal: Programming Language Design What are common ways to optimise an interpreted language? has been closed, as not constructive. After some discussion in chat, I think it would probably be best to discuss whether list/CGCC-style tips questions would be allowed. In this format, a somewhat bro...

@mousetail I do not

The "what is a character" and "what is a first class function" comments seem to just be poor attempts at pointing out unclear stuff

Since their questions seem fine and they've posted actually helpful "what is a ..." comments a few times

From the look of their questions they seem like a C/C++ programmer, which could explain their unsureness around which meaning of "character" is being used

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7:53 PM

Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: What are some simple, existing Virtual Machines to write languages for?

posted on November 19, 2022 by kouta-kun

Question by kouta-kun for Programming Language Design

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8:18 PM

Programming Language Design - Area 51 - Stack E…: Programming Language Design: What are some factors for choosing a suitable AST to fit my language?

posted on November 19, 2022 by mcneb10

Question by mcneb10 for Programming Language Design

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