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Xirema

10:00 PM

@trogdor Which, the new post, or the original FAQ?

trogdor

the new post Brug linked

vicky_molokh

@brug Oh, more talk, but still refusing to do the necessary immediate actions to cease ongoing harm.

Xirema

@vicky_molokh What would those actions be at this point? Because I can tell you now, reinstating Monica wouldn't cease the ongoing harm. Her dismissal might have triggered this whole mess, but reinstating her just rectifies her specific grievance with the company.

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Andras Deak

@trogdor huh

Wait, you mean the new post by Cesar? Yeah, that I could see

trogdor

yes

at no point does he make it clear what he is responding to

user15026

10:09 PM

I'm very much like wanting tape "Let deeds, not words, be your adorning" to everyone's faces at this point

user15026

I'm tired of posts where they're like "we are gonna fix this and we are sorry" okay fine but do the things

vicky_molokh

@Xirema 1. Replace the article with an apology in the press. 2. Stop holding onto her diamond. 3. Reveal to her the materials used in her firing. 4. Roll back the changes that are causing the community to riot. 5. Roll back to a communicative mode of interaction between community and corp. 6. Cease doing other things that the community pointed out, like those scam ads and the other things implemented over the couple of years.

brug

@Ash I'm not sure I disagree, but what deeds do you need to see?

user15026

@brug Anything? Apologies are just words on top of words right now

Xirema

@vicky_molokh So points 5 & 6 are definitely not immediately actionable in any meaningful sense. Those are more like long-term fixes. 4 isn't going to happen: these changes to the CoC are kind of necessary, and I've not been able to find a credible account from any members of the LGBT community that they specifically object to the changes being made to the CoC.

1 2 & 3 are definitely things they could do, but like I said, they don't really fix the ongoing harm.

user15026

10:15 PM

Yeah, 4 can't happen. I mean I guess it could, but it would pretty much mean I'd have to stop using the network, because as it is I carry this low level unease if I emerge out of a few select corners.

vicky_molokh

@Xirema Pulling down defamatory texts certainly fixes the ongoing harm of more and more people reading them and getting a bad image at Monica who could neither face her accusations nor even know what exactly to dispute in her defence.

brug

@Xirema I did have one person who espoused gender critical screed at me (which I have a screenshot of) later pretend they were one of us and try to object to the changes from a false sense of perspective. I called them out and it got ugly.

vicky_molokh

But the fact that they didn't even try is more telling than the fact that fixes will be imperfect.

Xirema

@Xirema To expand on this: if there was a post to the effect of "here's why the language proposed in the CoC changes will hurt Trans users, and how it could be improved", I'd probably take seriously the idea that there might be a problem with the CoC changes themselves.

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