@BESW this was also enjoyable

@BESW Huh. Even though I saw Harry Potter before Sherlock, I still think of him as that soldier guy from Sherlock.

@Yuuki I think "sex abuse is great" is a slight mischaracterization of the demon power in question. I read it as "sex abuse [of a child often] establishes a power dynamic." Though let's be clear: I in no way want that sort of shit anywhere near any game I associate with.

@nitsua60 What on earth...

That doesn't decrease my wtfs per minute at all.

Oh, yeah, it's horrible in just about every way.

I just don't think they were portraying it as great (false and offensive beyond words) so much as powerful (lamentably and painfully true).

What exactly did they do?

Who?

Like what were the exact rules they released?

Book of the Damned, I think?

(I'm no PF expert by any means; it's just come up in the whole "what the hell is Paizo doing about X, Y, Z" conversatinos of the last week.)

@nitsua60 ... So they personified sexual/emotional abuse?

@nitsua60 This is why evil-aligned rulebooks are always problematic.

It's actually dinner-time at the sheep-pen--I'll be around again after the kids are in bed.

Is...is that ostensibly for players?

Because whenever someone decides to write an evil-aligned rulebook, someone always asks "what if we do <despicable thing>, that's evil right?"

@godskook I'm assuming it's supposed to be Pathfinder's version of the Book of Vile Darkness so probably.

BoVD is very explicitly DM-only.

So that analogy contradicts your conclusion.

Hmm, I've seen a number of people play evil/villain campaigns use the BoVD as players.

Or was that a different book?

"Says its DM-only" does not stop people from using something.

And there's some parts of BoVD that are common optimization suggestions among the TO-level optimization community.

@nitsua60 because D&D is already too kid friendly right? X(