Optimize thermal daemon

heynnema

08:20

hello

Py-ser

09:04

hello

thanks!

my latest config file is the one I added to my question, resulting from cat /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml

heynnema

12:41

@Py-ser As I mentioned (twice) before, I did a minor edit to the minimal .xml file in Update #1 in my answer. Please use it, and restart thermald.

@Py-ser Start replies to me with @heynnema so I can get flagged.

Py-ser

13:29

@heynnema

heynnema

hi

Py-ser

gotcha, I edited the file and restarted thermald

heynnema

open two terminal windows

Py-ser

ok

heynnema

show me "systemctl status thermald"

Py-ser

13:31

$ systemctl status thermald
● thermald.service - Thermal Daemon Service
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/thermald.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: active (running) since Sat 2022-04-16 15:29:20 CEST; 1min 52s ago
Main PID: 15877 (thermald)
Tasks: 2 (limit: 18622)
Memory: 1.3M
CGroup: /system.slice/thermald.service
└─15877 /usr/sbin/thermald --systemd --dbus-enable --adaptive

Apr 16 15:29:20 christian-Precision-3551 systemd[1]: Starting Thermal Daemon Service...
Apr 16 15:29:20 christian-Precision-3551 systemd[1]: Started Thermal Daemon Service.

heynnema

show me "sudo dmesg | grep -i thermal"

Py-ser

$ sudo dmesg | grep -i thermal
[sudo] password di christian:
[ 0.126667] mce: CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM1)
[ 0.292999] ACPI: \_SB_.PR00: _OSC native thermal LVT Acked
[ 0.547786] thermal_sys: Registered thermal governor 'fair_share'
[ 0.547786] thermal_sys: Registered thermal governor 'bang_bang'
[ 0.547787] thermal_sys: Registered thermal governor 'step_wise'
[ 0.547787] thermal_sys: Registered thermal governor 'user_space'
[ 0.547788] thermal_sys: Registered thermal governor 'power_allocator'

I am not exactly sure what all this means

heynnema

show me "cat /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml

Py-ser

$ cat /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<ThermalConfiguration>
<Platform>
<Name>Generic X86 Laptop Device</Name>
<ProductName>*</ProductName>
<Preference>QUIET</Preference>
<ThermalZones>
<ThermalZone>
<Type>cpu</Type>
<TripPoints>
<TripPoint>
<SensorType>x86_pkg_temp</SensorType>
<Temperature>55000</Temperature>
</TripPoint>
</TripPoints>
</ThermalZone>
</ThermalZones>
</Platform>
</ThermalConfiguration>

heynnema

where are the indents?

Py-ser

13:34

it is indented, just not shown on this window

heynnema

so it looks like in my Update #1, yes?

Py-ser

yes

heynnema

how many CPU's do you have?

Py-ser

I copied it and pasted it

$ lscpu |grep 'CPU(s)'
CPU(s): 12
On-line CPU(s) list: 0-11
NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0-11

heynnema

after you pasted in the newer .xml, you restarted thermald, yes?

Py-ser

13:36

after i pasted it, I did "sudo service thermald restart
"

heynnema

in your Vitals display, you're showing package ID 0 temps, and fan speed, yes?

Py-ser

yes

heynnema

what do they say now?

Py-ser

now they are just fine, I am not running any heavy jobs

average temp is 35 C

heynnema

fan speed?

Py-ser

13:39

0 RPM

heynnema

huh?

Py-ser

shouldnt it?

heynnema

laptop or desktop?

Py-ser

laptop

heynnema

when u run your heavy jobs, do u see the fan speed increase from 0?

Py-ser

13:41

yes, very much. I can even hear them

heynnema

ok, good

in one terminal window, type "top"

Py-ser

$ top

top - 15:41:43 up 3:00, 1 user, load average: 0.59, 0.50, 0.65
Tasks: 379 total, 1 running, 377 sleeping, 1 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 0.8 us, 0.4 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.9 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
MiB Mem : 15610.9 total, 4633.0 free, 3902.5 used, 7075.4 buff/cache
MiB Swap: 32768.0 total, 32768.0 free, 0.0 used. 10398.0 avail Mem

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
2933 christi+ 20 0 26.2g 277004 117328 S 3.3 1.7 1:30.52 skypef+

sorry, probably this layout is not very easy to read

heynnema

unrelated, but why do you have a 32G swap???

Py-ser

I dont know??

heynnema

show me "swapon -s"

Py-ser

13:43

$ swapon -s
Filename Type Size Used Priority
/swapfile file 33554428 0 -2

heynnema

we'll deal with swap later,

back to top,

you've seen this before, yes?

Py-ser

top? yes, definitely

but never noticed about the swap thing

heynnema

ok, we're going to run a test now,

leave top running,

when we stress the machine, you'll hopefully see 12 processes that pop up near the top of the "top" display that will show that thermald is working,

but you won't see them until the temp creaps up over your threshold of 55C,

Py-ser

ok

heynnema

in the other terminal window, type "YES", the watch the temp increase from 39C, and monitor the "top" output in the other window, tell me how high the temps get, and if u see the processes I described in the "top" display.

Py-ser

13:48

yes command not found

heynnema

What version Ubuntu?

Py-ser

20

heynnema

20.what?

Py-ser

20.04

heynnema

And this is Ubuntu, yes? Not Mint or something else, yes?

Py-ser

13:49

it is ubunut

ubuntu

heynnema

when you tried the "yes" did it tell you what you might need to install to get YES?

Py-ser

nope

heynnema

do u have "stress" installed?

Py-ser

nope

I can install it if needed

heynnema

install it

Py-ser

13:52

It gives me troubles to install it

heynnema

like what?

Py-ser

Error:1 https://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 stress amd64 1.0.4-2
Impossible connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:443 (185.125.190.36). - connect (111: Connessione rifiutata)
E: impossible recover https://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/stress/stress_1.0.4-2_amd64.deb Impossible connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:443 (185.125.190.36). - connect (111: Connection refused)
E: Internal Error, ordering was unable to handle the media swap

heynnema

hold a second...

Py-ser

sure

and thanks a lot!

heynnema

why is it saying bionic?

Py-ser

13:55

what do you mean

heynnema

in the first error line

Py-ser

ah, I am not sure, it should be fossa right?

heynnema

focal

are u in the UK?

Py-ser

I have upgraded it "manually" only recently from 18.04

I was in the UK, now in Italy

heynnema

how did u upgrade it "manually"?

Py-ser

13:58

I tried to change the download server but apparently it doesnt work either

heynnema

where did u change download server?

Py-ser

the updater was asking if I wanted to upgrade. and I chose yes. I mean, it wasn't native 20.04

I changed it in the software updates window (the one with the big A)

heynnema

Open "Software & Updates"

Py-ser

yes, there

now it is set to "servers in Italy"

heynnema

what does the "Download from" say?

Py-ser

14:00

"servers in Italy"

heynnema

confusing... you system is messed up... what programs do u run to stress and drive up temps...

Py-ser

it is some computation softwares

data simulations and such

heynnema

u still have top running in one terminal window, yes?

Py-ser

yes

heynnema

start the comp softwares and monitor top, and the temps, and the fan speed. report what u see.

Py-ser

14:02

ok give me a few mins

heynnema

ok

Py-ser

temp is rising

top is showing programs on the top

fan is running

heynnema

show me top

Py-ser

$ top

top - 16:06:32 up 3:24, 1 user, load average: 3.64, 1.46, 0.89
Tasks: 381 total, 7 running, 374 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 38.1 us, 0.5 sy, 0.0 ni, 60.3 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 1.0 si, 0.0 st
MiB Mem : 15610.9 total, 4914.9 free, 3465.9 used, 7230.1 buff/cache
MiB Swap: 32768.0 total, 32768.0 free, 0.0 used. 10880.6 avail Mem

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
23894 christi+ 20 0 492404 196016 6536 R 93.8 1.2 0:53.01 xspec

package id temp is 98 C

heynnema

stop your apps

Py-ser

14:07

I have interrupted the job

heynnema

is xspec your job?

Py-ser

yes, ran parallel on 4 or 6 cores

heynnema

I don't see thermald working in top

Py-ser

ah, I didnt get I was supposed to see it on top

heynnema

show me "ps auxc | grep -i therm"

Py-ser

14:09

$ ps auxc | grep -i therm
root 166 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? I< 12:41 0:00 acpi_thermal_pm
root 15877 0.0 0.0 126264 9252 ? Ssl 15:29 0:00 thermald

heynnema

I don't know what's wrong, other than u have other system problems.

Py-ser

which should be unrelated tho, right?

heynnema

show me,

ls -al /etc/thermald

Py-ser

$ ls -al /etc/thermald
totale 32
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 16 15:28 .
drwxr-xr-x 159 root root 12288 Apr 16 16:02 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4605 Jan 15 2019 backup
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 679 Apr 16 15:28 thermal-conf.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 508 Jan 15 2019 thermal-cpu-cdev-order.xml

heynnema

cd /etc/apt

then "grep -i gb.archive.ubuntu.com sources.list"

Py-ser

14:11

$ grep -i gb.archive.ubuntu.com sources.list
deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main universe

heynnema

well there it is...

show me "cat sources.list"

Py-ser

where wxactly? lol

heynnema

bionic

Py-ser

$ cat sources.list
# deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 18.04 _Bionic_ - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20190418-12:10]/ bionic main

# See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
# newer versions of the distribution.
deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted

## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-updates main restricted

heynnema

ah... u manually added the line!

comment out the last line

Py-ser

14:15

done

heynnema

sudo apt-get update

Py-ser

$ sudo apt-get update
Trovato:6 https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/ms-teams stable InRelease
Ignorato:1 https://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal InRelease
Ignorato:2 https://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates InRelease
Ignorato:4 https://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-backports InRelease
Ignorato:5 https://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security InRelease
Errore:7 https://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal Release
Certificate verification failed: The certificate is NOT trusted. The name in the certificate does not match the expected. Could not handshake: Error in the ce…

Sorry, part of it is in Italian

heynnema

sudo apt install stress

Py-ser

$ sudo apt install stress
Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto
Generazione albero delle dipendenze
Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto
E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto stress

Can't find the package [my translation]

heynnema

set your Download from server from Italy to GB, then do "sudo apt-get update" again.

Py-ser

14:21

It doesn't make me

heynnema

It doesn't make me what?

Py-ser

even if I choose the UK, and a server, then it is unchanged in the "download from:" window

heynnema

show me "lsb_release -a"

Py-ser

$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
Release: 20.04
Codename: focal

heynnema

u tried to change the Download from in "Software & Updates", yes?

Hi Doug!

Py-ser

14:24

wait, maybe I found a server from UK that is accepted in the "download from" window

It's updating

heynnema

are u sure you're in the "Software & Updates" app?

Py-ser

yes

Doug Smythies

Just catching up. I see you are on a tangent for now.

heynnema

it's updating what exactly?

it's ok Doug

Py-ser

software cache

heynnema

14:25

still trying to get thermald running

Py-ser

it returns an error in the cache update

heynnema

does it give you an error message?

Py-ser

pk-client-error-quark

(it doesnt' make me copy and paste the error)

heynnema

this is a mess. Backup your important data/files and Reinstall Ubuntu.

u can set your download from back to Italy

Py-ser

e: https://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu focal
InRelease is not (yet) available (impossible connecting to archive.canonical.com:443 (91.189.91.15) - connection refused

this was the error

heynnema

14:29

this is a mess. Backup your important data/files and Reinstall Ubuntu.

u can set your download from back to Italy

Doug Smythies

I agree.

Py-ser

I'd really rather not : )

heynnema

I've already spent way too much time on this. Reinstall a fresh Ubuntu... whether you'd like to or not :-)

Py-ser

gotcha. thank you very much for your time!

heynnema

ok. keep me posted here via chat, but start messages with @heynnema so I'll get notified

Py-ser

14:32

sure, but I'll try several other ways before going for a reinstall

heynnema

ok

Py-ser

14:58

@hey

@heynnema just in case, how do you suggest to reinstall?

Doug Smythies

15:30

I added a comment to your new question referring to here.

heynnema

@Py-ser Backup your important data/files first. Then boot to a Ubuntu Live USB. I believe that a Ubuntu install will see the previous install, and give an options to install to the same location. Just make sure to uncheck the "format" checkbox so it should leave your /home folder alone.

Py-ser

there is my name and other sensitive info here, I'd really like not to show this to the public

heynnema

Who/what are you asking?

Py-ser

@DougSmythies please consider to delete that comment in the new question

heynnema

new question?

Py-ser

15:32

@DougSmythies this

Doug Smythies

No. This is public anyhow, and you are asking for more help without the history.

heynnema

There's nothing in this chat to be worried about.

Doug Smythies

@heynnema : agreed

Py-ser

I asked you to do remove the link, it is not up to others to decide what I have to worry about or not. ignoring my request isn't kind of you. you are not helping me this way

heynnema

Are you talking to @DougSmythies? It's not clear.

In your new question, you're just asking somebody new to help fix a broken system. Something that a Ubuntu reinstall should fix :-)

Py-ser

15:38

I am. s/he is the one who linked the room and s/he is the one who decided to ignore my request "to help me better"

Doug Smythies

I am attempting to make others aware of all the details with the objective of efficient use of their time.

heynnema

It's not fair to other users to not be made aware of your previous question/chat.

@DougSmythies agreed

@Py-ser Fix a broken system by reinstalling... as painful as that might be... and as much work as it could be.

Py-ser

It would have been far more efficient if relevant info from this chat were pasted in the new question. Instead the user is ignoring my kind request, and practically not helping anyhow. I leave it here, it is of no use anyway. Thanks @heynnema for your time

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Optimize thermal daemon