Software Recommendations

4:00 PM

That's an unexpected way of interpreting "Software Recommendations"

> What have you found is the best way to get your non-technical family to use a new browser, and how do you encourage them to not be afraid of the tool?

I still not see what characteristics he wants of the browser

kalina

@Braiam he doesn't

he knows what software he wants

he needs help convincing non-technical people to use it

danijelc

thus asking for non software recommandation

Braiam

mm... eldery.SE? howtoconvincepeopleiknow.se?

ventic

He's asking for a way to recommend software, which... I don't think is within our scope, is it?

kalina

4:02 PM

@danijelc that's my opinion, let's not knee jerk though, @Caleb might come out with some super compelling justification that we all agree with

Undo

I'm having a hard time seeing the recommendation request in this question - could you clarify that? — Undo 1 min ago

kalina

I mean we allow similar questions elsewhere on the network

@Undo the recommendation request is "how do I recommend software to this demographic"

Undo

^ Left that comment, we'll see where it goes

Caleb

@Braiam He's not asking for a browser at all. He's looking for a way to make a recommendation when the receiving party isn't convinced they have a problem or savvy enough to undertake fixing it without some preasure.

kalina

@Undo you probably need the word "software" before "recommendation"

Undo

4:03 PM

grrr

I'm having a hard time seeing the recommendation request in this question - could you clarify that? — Undo 1 min ago

kalina

grrr

Undo

Well whatever, the word 'software' is in there now

kalina

the day that chat defeated @Undo

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Undo

Who knew oneboxing could be an olympic event.

kalina

I need more flags

Undo

4:05 PM

@kalina You're out? D:

You have to have like 30 by now.

kalina

I ran out of flags like 5 minutes after I start casting them, every day

Journeyman Geek

lol

kalina

with this few flags, I can't do multiple passes of questions before I need to restart

Braiam

you need more internetz point @kalina

kalina

so like, the first 150 or so of our questions have been cleaned once

the first 50 have been cleaned twice

Braiam

4:06 PM

IMO is easier getting flags from rep than for correct flagging

kalina

@Braiam I am not going to force myself to post when there isn't really anything to respond to and there's nothing I really need

that results in low quality

Undo

@Braiam It's one more flag for every ten net helpful flags, that's pretty easy :P

I have the full 100 on SO

kalina

yeah I'm gaining like 3 flags a day

I'd gain up to 6

Undo

And that's exponential

kalina

if I was using up all of my post flags

but I'm only using all of my comment flags atm

I'm still a bit iffy about flagging answers for deletion

even though the three I've flagged so far all got approved

Undo

4:08 PM

@kalina If they're link only, please do.

Braiam

@Undo the first 5 days you will only get 2 flags

Undo

please

Journeyman Geek

@kalina: those are usually fine.

Yeah, undo needs to catch up ;p

kalina

@Undo oh yeah I do, I'm talking about the "slightly more than a link"

Journeyman Geek

(so do I, really ;p)

kalina

4:08 PM

are you telling me that Gilles is handling all my flags?

Braiam

and once you get 50 flags you find difficult in what to use them

kalina

@Braiam not on this site

Undo

@kalina Heh, today it's been almost all Journeyman

kalina

@Undo I flagged at a different time of day

normally I flag after midnight before sleep

today I flagged after sleep upon arriving to work

Undo

22 hours ago, by Undo

Journeyman handles most of the flags when I'm asleep. I handle most of the flags when Gilles and Journeyman are both asleep/out. If Gilles and I are both awake, Gilles ends up handling most of the flags because I sit here and think about them for too long.

Braiam

4:09 PM

...

kalina

apart from all of my case testing flags, I think I have a 99% approved rate

Braiam

some mods that expend more than a sec deciding what to do with a flag they mark them helpful

kalina

@Undo Gilles is the experienced one of the group though

Undo

Yes, he is.

kalina

like, I frequently hit the time out between review posts

because 5 seconds between posts is actually sometimes just too long

Undo

4:11 PM

Thus he zips through and grabs the flags from under my nose

Oh, @kalina a thing for keeping track of new answers: erwaysoftware.com/blaze

kalina

when I comment flag I'm constantly bouncing off the "one flag per five second" rule

Undo

Type softwarerecs in the field.

kalina

oh I do it manually

because whenever I use an automated system, hell breaks loose

Undo

This thing just shows the new answers, no automation involved ;)

kalina

I'm sure at some point we'll have too much content to go through it manually

but I believe my flag limit will always be the limit I hit first

Undo

4:13 PM

We're growing fast, I know that

kalina

as long as you guys don't suddenly start getting cold feet once I'm flagging 100+ things a day

Undo

@kalina Hehe, if there are 100+ things to flag a day we'll probably have more than 3 mods :P

And with that, I've got to go. cya folks!

kalina

have fun!

@Undo there are certainly more than 100 things to flag right now

whether it is sustainable if another story

we won't know until somebody actively flags 100 things a day to see whether we start running out of things to flag

Braiam

not sure if it's JS fault but when I click a link it clears the page instead of redirect/open the link @Undo

found the problem:

> Load denied by X-Frame-Options: askubuntu.com/questions/427125/… does not permit cross-origin framing.

maybe you should just change window.location

Journeyman Geek

I'm going to bed now ;p

kalina

4:20 PM

@JourneymanGeek night o/

danijelc

just seen this on AU cool

Congratulations!

This was only a test, designed to make sure you were paying attention. You passed. This answer has already been removed, but if it hadn't, your flag would have helped to ensure that it was. Thanks!

Braiam

now we all know who is handling tha flags

danijelc

really?

Undo

@Braiam oh, yeah. Will fix soon.

Stack Exchange

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Q: Questions that do not ask for recommended software on topic?

This question was just asked: What is the best way to recommend a new browser to my family? The question does not ask about a browser recommendation, or a piece of software, but simply asks how to convince family members to use a new browser. Some commenters on the question seem to think that ...

danijelc

4:26 PM

I see two of my favourites passed on election there on AU i mean

kalina

@StackExchange @Caleb can you post your thoughts on this, it currently has one answer on it saying "no it's off topic" so the floor is all yours

jcolebrand

Would've figured someone would've pinged me that they were discussing my Q

Since mods have touched it @Undo

Either that or Flyk is in some other room

he is .. this is frustrating

Undo

@jcolebrand what is? We're a brand new site, you can't expect us to have everything instantly figured out.

jcolebrand

@Undo that this is being discussed in chat but not for the site in question

so it's being discussed in some other room

which is going to make tracking down where the discussion is happening frustrating

Oh, Kalina is Flyk

Feb 14 at 14:28, by kalina

I'm Flyk on the site btw

thank you SE for allowing handles of various natures on various sites

Undo

Yeah

jcolebrand

4:34 PM

@Undo helps to know who I'm talking to before I start a conversation ;-)

Braiam

and Caleb did it

Caleb

@jcolebrand I was going to, decided to finish my meta post first, sorry.

jcolebrand

@Caleb heh

@Caleb thanks for the positive words.

I realize this is a tricky question to decide on, and that it is subjective. Such is the nature of asking complex questions on StackExchange.

Caleb

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A: Questions that do not ask for recommended software on topic?

Like all SE sites, this one is about a field of expertise: knowing when to use what software. This question is clearly related to that field. Unlike most of our questions that ask for that expertise to be applied and the take away value is only the answer, this question is about the field itself...

user58869

@Caleb i get the feeling that question is to software recommendations what a question on programmers.se is to stackoverflow.com

Caleb

4:39 PM

The connection may not be 1-1 here, but the long term battle we've been fighting over at BH to not just be a "show us the codez" site but a people where people learn about the field itself has some parallels here.

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A: What does "show your work" mean in the context of exegesis?

Exegesis of Biblical texts is also on topic for several other StackExchange sites whose respective scopes are limited to a particular religious tradition. What makes us different from those sites is that here, our focus is primarily on the process of hermeneutical analysis, not the final output o...

@Alex Sort of, ya.

kalina

@jcolebrand Flyk is here, yes she is.

jcolebrand

@kalina Aye, so I saw. And the default English pronoun for unknown gender is he, so it wasn't a slight.

kalina

No offence taken :P

jcolebrand

Yay!

@Alex Would you say that before Programmers a properly written highly focused question would be acceptable on Stack Overflow, if not the raison-d-etre of Stack Overflow?

kalina

I'm waiting to see what @Caleb has to say re: your question, since he was for keeping it and usually articulates his point of view pretty well

oh he responded

jcolebrand

4:44 PM

@kalina to your point, I agree that the question is sort of at-odds with the site, as it's not about a specific "which software do I use" which normally have a list of answers, and then we narrow down to the one that actually works for a user.

kalina

for reference, it's already in the close queue

jcolebrand

Meh, lots of good questions hit the close queue

if I voted to close every crappy question I came across on a stackexchange site I would run out of close votes in minutes on most sites. If I voted to close every question I disagreed with, I would run out of close votes even faster.

kalina

yep

I had a similar discussion regarding flagging on here only an hour ago

jcolebrand

If the community decides they don't want the question, then I won't scream and kick, but I will also use the site less.

user58869

@jcolebrand hmmm, I mean that seeing "Questions that do not ask for recommended software on topic?" shortly after see the question "What is the best way to recommend a new browser to my family?" made me think about the way that questions on stack over and questions on programmers are about programming, but the two sites seem to have different requirements for the types of programming questions they can contain...

user58869

4:47 PM

so if there was another site that had that relationship to software recommendations that programmers seems to have with stackoverflow then the question "What is the best way to recommend a new browser to my family?" might go there

jcolebrand

Because I obviously don't understand the site

@Alex sure, I'm behind that.

But until then

kalina

well, Caleb has a compelling argument for the category of questions in question

jcolebrand

my suggestion is to let it marinate

You've already indicated "there's a code-smell here" but for recommendations

See if you can come up with why it smells, or if it just smells different

And for those who don't know code-smell, let me find a link that explains it neatly

kalina

"code-smell" does sound like a Stack Overflow thing

jcolebrand

Code smell

In computer programming, code smell is any symptom in the source code of a program that possibly indicates a deeper problem. Code smells are usually not bugs—they are not technically incorrect and do not currently prevent the program from functioning. Instead, they indicate weaknesses in design that may be slowing down development or increasing the risk of bugs or failures in the future. Often the deeper problem hinted by a code smell can be uncovered when the code is subjected to a short feedback cycle where it is refactored in small, controlled steps, and the resulting design is examin...

kalina

4:50 PM

and I'd rather avoid SO :p

jcolebrand

@kalina I think you'll like it

> Instead, they indicate weaknesses in design that may be slowing down development or increasing the risk of bugs or failures in the future.

kalina

right! home time!

Izzy

5:21 PM

A flag! I can deal with... oh, I can't. That was my own flag. Stupid notifications...

Undo

rofl

wait, that's an auto flag. You can't deal with it, @Izzy?

Odd

Seth

5:46 PM

I heard there was a migration.

ventic

No, it was declined.

Gilles

softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/1706

Seth

And I heard it was rejected.

@Gilles reject it!

Gilles

Is this an appropriate definition of CMS? This looks more like an ECM to me. Usually CMS is them web stuffs.

Seth

Wait.. This is software recs.

Ignore me.

Gilles

5:48 PM

Content management system

A content management system (CMS) is a computer program that allows publishing, editing and modifying content as well as maintenance from a central interface. Such systems of content management provide procedures to manage workflow in a collaborative environment. These procedures can be manual steps or an automated cascade. CMSs have been available since the late 1990s. CMSs are often used to run websites containing blogs, news, and shopping. Many corporate and marketing websites use CMSs. CMSs typically aim to avoid the need for hand coding but may support it for specific elements or en...

I read the Wikipedia article, but I'm not completely sure what I should conclude from it

Seth

Seems ok to me.

Gilles

The tag is being created for this question:

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Q: Looking for a scale-able full featured ECM or Collaboration Suite

I am looking for an ECM (Enterprise Content Management) or Collaboration suite (tend to be used synonymously) solution to manage the following: Scalable: Start with 10 users, scale up to 1000+. Document management: Hosting, Versioning, Workflow (approvals, annual reviews) labeling, retention ...

collaboration cms

Seth

Could be better written though.

Gilles

should this question have the tag ecm or cms (or unabbreviated versions, but they don't fit) or both?

SO says that cms is about websites

Izzy

@Undo I got an empty page when clicking on the indicator.

Undo

5:50 PM

Huh, weird

It got handled, but before that I could see it in the 2k queue

Seth

2k queue.. That just sounds weird lol.

Izzy

@Undo Was it the flag I raised?

NAA

And you deleted the NAA?

Undo

@Izzy No, 'twas a Community auto-flag

Izzy

@Undo Ugh. That's strange.

Undo

I think we're talking about different things :P

Izzy

5:52 PM

Then I should have been able to see it.

Nevermind. SE sometimes shows notifications for things you already have dealt with, but which need a second/third community member for peer-review.

Amaterasu

oh well, no answer to my earlier question on the board - will look elsewhere, thank you fr your time though and best wishs with the site

Izzy

So maybe the flag you were seeing was not the same as mine :)

Stack Exchange

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Q: What happens when someone needs one very specific feature?

I agree with the quality standards that have been outlined so far but I think there's a problem with people understanding the difference between a low quality question and a brief question. There's a big difference between "I need an IDE." and "I need a plugin for this specific IDE that does thi...

discussion

Braiam

@Gilles strictly speaking, AU doesn't know if Software Recommendations are on/off-topic and adopts a everything goes for now

Gilles

So, any opinion on cms vs ecm or should I ask on meta?

Braiam

6:01 PM

EMS seems to me a subset of CMS

is a CMS focused to certain necessities of enterprises

Gilles

Oh? I understood the opposite: an ECM contains a CMS and more

Braiam

now I'm seeing the EMS wiki and I see where you come from

Gilles

I went and retagged the question to ecm

Braiam

> Enterprise content management, as a form of content management,

now I'm more confused

they are obviously related but I fail to see how exactly

Gilles

ECM is a lot wider than one tool, it seems

I've written a starter-class tag wiki but I'm not sure about what I wrote. @James or anyone who knows, please edit.

danijelc

6:11 PM

idk if it is, right basically its always a content managment system... Enterprise content managment just sound fancy but at end is quite same thing content managment system

Braiam

do we need a phone tag?

Gilles

@Braiam I'm not sure. We've debated ipad/iphone vs ios plus phone/tablet when needed.

I'm in favor of privileging ios, because it's rare that a question would exclusively apply to one form factor

also phone could be e.g. PABX software or VoIP software

Undo

@Gilles I sort of am too

Braiam

well, the only question that has that tag right now doesn't quite fit for what we expect the tag be used for

ah, btw, I did a mock up of how to do selfanswered question based on what is already in the site

Izzy

@Braiam EMS = ECM ??? Aren't you arguing apples versus peaches here? :)

(what is EMS, btw? Wasn't the Q ECM vs. CMS?)

Undo

6:27 PM

Emergency Medical Service?

ventic

@Undo That's what I was about to suggest

danijelc

@Undo :)

Edited CMS tag

Braiam

@Izzy that is a demonstration of the grade of confusion I was having

Izzy

6:44 PM

@Braiam Check AAAAA

DVK

@Gilles - I used phone to refer to "application related to phone functionality". I think it should be reserved for that, independent on whether said functionality is smartphone app, VIOP etc...

Izzy

@Undo / @Gilles why isn't there an "improve" button when reviewing tag wiki edits? Got a candidate missing to name its source (Gilles, you know what I mean)

DVK

@Izzy - are you politely referring to copypasta from Wiki? Not sure on this site; but on SFF.SE it is pretty much strongly discouraged, if not banned outright; even with attribution.

Izzy

All I get is 3 buttons: Approve, Reject, Skip. On other stuff than tags, there's also Improve.

Braiam

@Izzy only when you can edit directly (mod or trusted user) you don't have improve button

DVK

6:47 PM

@danijelc - From my somewhat limited exposure, ECM is just CMS with bigger price tag and somewhat fancier features. It's a proper subset.

Braiam

@Izzy ¬_¬

Izzy

@DVK Well, not really pasta, but tough smell of it :) Partly quoted, yeah. I also do that often with my tag wiki edits, but make clear what's quoted (italizing it) and naming the source.

@Braiam LOL

@Braiam Ah – OK, trusted makes the difference. I was pretty sure I have this button over at Android Enthusiasts

danijelc

@DVK as i posted earlier about that

idk if it is, right basically its always a content managment system... Enterprise content managment just sound fancy but at end is quite same thing content managment system

DVK

@JourneymanGeek - suspensions are very tricky to do right. there are many health and safety concerns.

@danijelc - every ECM is a CMS. Not every CMS is an ECM.

danijelc

@DVK exactly

thats what I said earlier ECM is always CMS

Undo

6:58 PM

@Izzy You need to have 4k to get an improve button here for tag wiki suggestions.

-1

A: Battery Charging log

This should solve your problem.

^ Eeeeeek!

Seth

Why hasn't it been deleted yet? D:

Braiam

because people need to get free flags :D

and review items :D

Seth

oh right. flags

Undo

boom

Seth

smoke curls upwards

Undo

7:01 PM

Wow, that thing collected three VLQ flags and a Community low-quality autoflag in two minutes :P

danijelc

guys I have another noob question

Undo

@danijelc Go for it.

danijelc

why under answer we dont have close option

wouldn’t that be just easier than flagging?

Braiam

nice, google has featured my country independence day in their logo... but it changes your search preferences from english to spanish :/

Undo

@danijelc Because closing is meant to keep questions from getting answered - and you can't really do that for answers.

Deleting is closing for answers.

danijelc

7:04 PM

Oh I see

@Braiam from where are u?

danijelc

7:16 PM

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A: Battery Charging log

This software does all that you want. It shows detailed battery info providing systematic logs. However the info shown are not always very accurate. It may differ in actuality. This is the case with all battery app.

hes back

Undo

-_-

danijelc

flaged comented etc wont edit yet give him a chance ..

hes traying at least from one sentence, hes on 3 now

Braiam

meh meta.softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/472/226

Gilles

@Izzy because you don't have the privilege to edit tag wikis without supervision: softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user

Braiam

@Gilles op can edit and flag their own answer, right?

Undo

7:22 PM

yes

danijelc

even if deleted

Undo

yup

@danijelc nuked

He's done this twice, posting almost the same answer after deletion.

danijelc

yeh well

if u cant ban him he will be back with 5 sentences now

@Undo bad ting is hes actually recommending software which meets OP request

Undo

Yeah, but we can't set the precedent that those types of answers are okay.

danijelc

true true...

Undo

7:27 PM

The issue is resolved, don't worry about him.

danijelc

yeh not an issue for me at all I'm easy going

Gilles

8:05 PM

@Braiam flagging only if they have 15 rep

Izzy

9:49 PM

@Undo Ah! OK. Gimme 3 more weeks for that :)

@Undo =:-0

@Undo Yay! The system works!

Undo

10:04 PM

:D

danijelc

Guys I have again question

what is the story with community wiki..

see this, not getting why it is community wiki

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Q: Software that put watermark in background of PDF

I need a software for PDF books that I have on my computer to make me able to: Put my name in the background of each page of my PDF books Put an image of my choice in background Image and writing be misty such that I can read words I can see the watermarks when I print a page Free (gratis) soft...

gratis pdf cross-platform

Izzy

@Gilles Me.needz.more.repz...

Undo

@danijelc The answer was marked community wiki by its author. CW posts don't earn reputation for anyone and are more freely editable.

mirabilos

hi *

danijelc

kk but answer is kinda VLQ so basically anyoen can convert it to CW

mirabilos

10:16 PM

which tag to use for a question for software without (additional) external dependencies? standalone or self-contained ?

danijelc

no limits it only makes more editable

?

@mirabilos thats on Linux or more generally?

mirabilos

@danijelc in this case, on windows

where applications are usually self-contained/standalone UNLESS they require e.g. some specifit .NET version or other runtime

but a tag should be generically usable

danijelc

I see but taht sound quite narow to me

mirabilos

I'd use either term, but we should standardise on one

basically “runs with what's contained in the base OS install”

danijelc

I mean i don’t see logic to tag that

mirabilos

10:18 PM

(a not uncommon requirement, actually. see it lots of times when trying to help people on AIX or Solaris)

uh why not?

danijelc

In my opinion is narrow

it will bring in a lot of specific tags in other OS than, most of linux related questions than would get number of dependencies related tags

mirabilos

mh. going with standalone then.

danijelc

Im no expert in matter anyway

mirabilos

10:31 PM

@Gilles can you explain?

do you not like such a tag?

Gilles

@mirabilos which one?

mirabilos

the standalone one which you removed again from that post

unless I'm reading the editing history wrong…

Gilles

what the hell does it mean?

mirabilos

basically “runs with what's contained in the base OS install”

Gilles

uh

what does the name have to do with that meaning?

mirabilos

10:37 PM

a not uncommon requirement on Windows, and people using e.g. AIX or Solaris at work

hm well, standalone as opposed to 'needs supporting runtime'

self-contained was the other word that came to mind

Gilles

that's a matter of packaging anyway, it isn't about the software itself

and yes, self-contained would be a better name

mirabilos

depends on the PoV probably

Gilles

but it isn't a useful tag

mirabilos

hmm

hmmmmmm do you really think so?

maybe not right now, but in the future

but yes, it's often of limited importance, compared to the others

but I figured at least standardising on a name early on would make sense

especially so that everyone knows what people are talking about

mh. I proposed a tag wiki earlier. feel free to accept or remove it, then, depending on whether you agree with using the tag at all or not

I just added it because I saw it in a question and because it's a recurring topic in IRC (where I'm much more active than on SO/SE)

especially in the corporate world

Izzy

Standalone program

A standalone program is a computer program that does not load any external module, library function, or program and that is designed to boot with the bootstrap procedure of the target processor. In early computers like the ENIAC without the concept of an operating system, standalone programs were the only way to run a computer. Standalone programs are usually written in or complied to the assembly language for the specific hardware. Later standalone programs typically were provided for utility functions such as disk formatting. Also, computers with very limited storage used standalone ...

mirabilos

10:42 PM

right, but that nowadays only applies to bootloaders

Izzy

rather comparable with "statically linked"

mirabilos

that meaning of standalone, anyway

statically linked is stricter than the tag I proposed

but yes, maybe self-contained would have been the better choice

Izzy

self-contained links to...

Self-sufficiency

Self-sufficiency (also called self-containment) is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival; it is therefore a type of personal or collective autonomy. On a national scale, a totally self-sufficient economy that does not trade with the outside world is called an autarky. The term self-sufficiency is usually applied to varieties of sustainable living in which nothing is consumed outside of what is produced by the self-sufficient individuals. Examples of attempts at self-sufficiency in North America include simple living, homesteading, off-the-grid, survivali...

mirabilos

self-contained on unix would mean e.g. links only to libc (and whatever else is there in a default install)

Izzy

@mirabilos I'd agree to that, yes.

mirabilos

10:43 PM

that's too non-IT

hm

ok. would people agree if I change the proposed tag to self-contained, then?

Izzy

I like the "self-contained" more, as to the interpretation of self-sufficiency: "It suffice to only install that, no need to drag other stuff along"

But as Gilles wrote: whether that makes a good tag, might be something different.

mirabilos

mh. @Gilles, what do you think?

Izzy

Is it a meta-tag? Should that fact better be part of the description/requirements?

mirabilos

@Undo: ?

Undo

Hmm?

mirabilos

10:45 PM

what do you think?

Gilles

@Izzy not a meta tag, but not a good tag either

mirabilos

@Izzy wtfh is a meta-tag?

Gilles

self-containedness is about the packaging

pretty much any software could be made into a self-contained package

mirabilos

sure, but to many users, only the packaging of the binaries is relevant

right, “could”, but not much is

corporate world often makes installing other stuff hard

Gilles

yes, but it also means that often an answer is going to be useful to someone who needs the self-contained package, even if the original question didn't care

so it isn't a useful way to classify questions

mirabilos

10:47 PM

hm okay

Izzy

@mirabilos See:

Blog - Stack Exchange: The Death of Meta Tags

Jeff Atwood on August 06, 2010

There are a few tags on Stack Overflow that have bugged me for a long time. Namely:

subjective best-practices beginner

best-practices beginner

beginner

But I could never quite articulate what, exactly, was wrong with these tags. It’s been bothering me more and more as time goes on. So much so, that about two months ago, I was compelled to ask on meta: Should we permanently remove the [subjective] tag?

There are some weak arguments in favor of keeping [subjective], but that’s about the best its proponents can muster. The arguments against it are much stronger. I felt Shog9 made the best case: …

mirabilos

I'll agree to not use the tag for now; if the need arises, we can revisit

@Izzy thanks, not seen that yet

definitely not meta

Izzy

@mirabilos I just remembered having read it. Luckily my Google-Fu was able to turn it up :)

Though it's not the one I was really after...

mirabilos

then please, someone with enough karma to do so, delete softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/tags/standalone/info again

Izzy

Nevermind, gotta go now. Good night everybody!

mirabilos