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Dennis Kaarsemaker

7:23 AM

moin

is there a way to be anonymous there?

@Andrew throwaway account ?

@HackToHell mm, probably

cool, cyas

7:49 AM

Word.

Excel.

Outlook.

Sharepoint.

PowerPoint.

GrooveAgent.

8:01 AM

Lotus Notes.

...yeah, I thought of going with "C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER" then figured that's more apt

@Olipro Syntax Error

What the hell was Microsoft Groove anyway?

Sounds like a dance mat game...

♬ whoa, oh oh, Domino ♬

Groove was Sharepoint Workspace 1.0

For some reason, (in terms of dead MS shit).. I'm reminded of Visual FoxPro.

dead, MS, and shit? Microsoft Bob.

Anyone remember Visual J++?

8:05 AM

Frontpage wasn't that great...

@tombull89 Isn't FP still about in some incarnation?

I mean we thought it was shit hot in school doing "web design" but looking back on it now...

Ah. Microsoft Expression Web

@tombull89 Do you guys remember HoTMetaL - that was ace for it's day

heh, J++

they then turned out J# as a follow-on

8:06 AM

Yes, that's it, their "rival" to Adobe Dreamweaver

Now called Expression Blend for Visual Studio.

now they're all like "Java devs, learn C# for fucks sake"

I went from Java to C# without too much trouble. It helps that VS2010 is the best IDE evar.

I just wish it did Python and Ruby.

it does, and can

IronRuby

*assuming you're cool with a .net implementation

@Olipro Not quite the same thing.

8:08 AM

well no, but frankly, for straight-up ruby development, RubyMine is a hands-down winner

although they do need to work out a few kinks with Rails

@Olipro Is that the Jetbrains product?

yeah

@Olipro I've looked at buying that for ages. I just use SublimeText2 and hope for the best.

there's a 30 day trial, try it!

Aptana Studio isn't terrible if you want something pro bono

But then I'd like it, and have to buy it.

giggles bono.

But I don't even like U2

8:11 AM

The thing I like about RubyMine most is the debugger, It Just Works(tm).

I can throw GitLab into it, boot that shit up in the debugger with Puma and have at it

I spent all night fighting Heroku.

then gave up and rolled back.

I've now got a dog under my desk

is it a watchdog?

if so, kick it

He's a Labrador

well that joke went straight over someone's head >_>

8:14 AM

I just chose to ignore it

...the term for resetting a watchdog timer, is to kick the watchdog

NOW EVERYTHING IS RUINED

It's not just me, is it? 'Dutch roundabout' sounds like a really BIG (not very comfortable) form of contraception. http://bbc.in/ZO29Ry

Tweeted by danieljowen on May 1, 2013 at 7:11 AM

What is this I don't even?

also, is there some competition going on to give Ruby Gems utterly stupid names?

first there was Cucumber

now there's Spinach

Will I be able to get an entire salad of Ruby Gems?

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@Olipro One of the things I like about ruby is the gem naming. Especially Nokogiri which sounds like exotic sushi.

heh

8:21 AM

@Dan Aw. I like labradors.

I prefer Huskies..

because the meat has a fuller flavour?

Yeah, huskies are cool. Labs are probably my fave dog, and I'd love one, but they need loads of attention

@Olipro Because they're always pleased to see you.

well of course, it's a dog

@Olipro Not all dogs are pleased to see you.

8:24 AM

relevant: knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-faggot-dog

How odd that that isn't blocked by websense.

Anyone used / got a GoPro?

I'm after an "action cam" as it were - am I right to assume that GoPro are still the best and I can't go far wrong with their current top spec model

8:54 AM

@Dan Pretty much

I gather they're largely indestructible.

Happy days

9:12 AM

Has anyone ever used Windows file server (with DFS) and mounted on linux with mount.cifs, and got file perms working properly.

I can mount as root, set username=Administrator etc, but even though the directory under that is owned by user DOMAIN\jt, it's still coming up as uid=0

9:48 AM

@Dan Yeah, GoPro!

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Dennis Kaarsemaker

@TomO'Connor mount .... -o uid=whatever

and if you want something more than mapping to one uid, read the manpage. It's complicated :)

@DennisKaarsemaker s/complicated/impossible/g

10:09 AM

@DennisKaarsemaker ZFS is magic.

Just so you know.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

10:44 AM

@TomO'Connor according to mount.cifs(8) it is actually possible.

@DennisKaarsemaker which bit of manpage says that, i can't find anything of the sort

like, a substring from that section i can search for

Dennis Kaarsemaker

CIFS/NTFS ACL, SID/UID/GID MAPPING, SECURITY DESCRIPTORS

11:10 AM

Finding a reasonably priced GoPro 3 is easier said than done

11:44 AM

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Cancer Treatment. Done

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@Chopper3 Hurrah!

How do you feel?

@Chopper3 Ace

@TomO'Connor good thanks, full of energy - can't wait for holibobs

@Chopper3 Where are you going?

@TomO'Connor edgartown as per usual :)

11:50 AM

@Chopper3 Cool.

I broke Kerberos :(

@Chopper3 Congratulations!

@gWaldo thank you

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Chopper3 Nice! All clean again?

@Chopper3 The lady there looks cross, did she get some Chopper3 Treatment ?

@Chopper3 so what now?

12:00 PM

lol dan

12:12 PM

@Chopper3 Fab :)

Great stuff @Chopper3

Finally finished the pile of resumes/CVs this morning

@RobM Decent short list?

yeah we found 5 people we think are worth interviewing

@RobM That's pretty respectable

what they'll make of make out of a technical panel of me and my list of questions, followed by a normal interview with my manager, director and head of HR is anyone's guess.

12:19 PM

@Chopper3 glad to hear that!

@gWaldo yes it is actually...

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Q: IP Tunneling with Linux IPIP and GRE

I just want to Know : Where IP Tunneling is used Why they are used Any Scenario that make clarity to understand the basic Note :- I don't want any links. Just want Points that understand why and where.

linux networking ip

killitdeadwithfire

Hello

Hello

I'm using VPS

at OVH Manager

12:23 PM

@Dhaval Poor you.

Sorry but I'm new bie in using server stuff

Right.

I need to access cpanel to check PHP's email configuration

No you don't.

CPanel is the work of the devil.

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oh god the C word

12:24 PM

and PHP is it's brother.

I have a soft spot for PHP

Can you tell me where I can check the configuration?

I think cpanel was designed as part of a bet.

Specifically "I bet you can't design a worse interface than Lotus Notes".

@Dan your anus?

@Cole No.

12:24 PM

@Dhaval I'm going to refer you to the Room subtitle: "This is NOT a place for 'Live Support', ask on the main site.".

@RobM sadly, I think they lost that bet

If is there anyone who can suggest me the way or link where I can get some info about VPS and OVH manager except Tom :)

@Dhaval When I search for "cpanel check PHP email configuration", I get what look to be helpful links

@gWaldo well I can do it in shared hosting but VPS is new for me

And I need to it in VPS

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Dhaval yes. Delete cpanel. Learn system administration.

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12:26 PM

@cole uh huh

What scares me about the new wave of "IT Professionals" is their inability to use Google. My mother even knows how to Google a problem and fix it herself.

@Dhaval most (if not all) of the people here won't use CPanel to do anything on a system

Or maybe I've just trained my parents well.

@Iain yes but can I get help related VPS here?

we're really not a good group to ask about CPanel because of that

@Dhaval If you have specific problems then ask a question on the main site. If you want a discussion about something you may get that here

12:29 PM

So pissed, finally got through to PearsonVUE last night. Tells me I need to call back tomorrow. F#&^$*&^*$@&^$(

What are your thoughts. We have a legacy server that has file server and SQL server functions on it (as well as being a DC) that was here before I got here. The SQL is part of our CRM package to include being our e-mail system. Do I add the 4th disk as a hot spare or do I add it to the RAID5 configuration, increasing the available space? At the moment I want to plan to have this server up for at least another year before we can get rid of the CRM.

It was thought to be set up as a 4-disk RAID5 configuration until one of the drives crapped out a few days ago and I realized it was now a 2-disk config. I was able to get the 3rd disk that was in the enclosure online. I have not gotten the 4th disk in but here is my conundrum.

@Dhaval Look, a VPS is another way of saying a Virtual Machine. Which is to say that you are running a server with a different set of drivers, and an additional dependency on the host server. Other than that, there is no difference between a VPS and running on bare metal.

Perhaps Webmasters.SE chat? I don't know if CPanel is within their site's scope.

Having a server with CPanel on is like having Chlamydia. If you don't know what it's like not to have it, you'd probably never remove it, and it's embarrassing to say you've got it.

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@NickW Can you do it for me Please.. becoz my english is bad — Rahul Patil 1 min ago

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do it for me plz

D:

12:31 PM

@Travis I say add it to the RAID5 config. Wouldn't it be in a degraded state now causing sub-par performance?

@Iain Thanks for yoru concern. You gave me answer with manner :)
@gWaldo Thanks for some related answer.

@tombull89 what was the question? He removed it lol

@Cole it doesn't show it running degraded. Heck it didn't show it when it just had 2 drives. That is what got me but I started to notice a slow down and freezing up of the CRM when the drive started to fail.

"""" I just want to Know :

Where IP Tunneling is used
Why they are used
Any Scenario that make clarity to understand the basic
Note :- I don't want any links. Just want Points that understand why and where.

@Travis I suggest adding a disk back in and getting a hot spare especially since it appears to be a mission critical server.

So I should be having an interview w/ EMC in the next week or so

12:33 PM

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@tombull89 sounds like someone's homework lol

Trying to decide if I should go to a community college then transfer to a 4 year school. Or just do it all online through UMass or Southern New Hampshire Uni

Anyone do their degree online?

@Cole That's what I was going to do. Buy 2 more for hot spares. They put a 300GB and a 1TB drive in it also and made them 2 independent virtual disks for "backups" and "ghost images"... Doing too much with the 1 server.

@Travis dear lord that's scary

@Cole I had some coworkers that got degrees online from Debry

Ehhh Devry/UoP/ITT Tech I wouldn't touch with a 100000000ft pole

I've had more than a few managers tell me when they see those three schools they are very weary or just throw the resume out

12:36 PM

I hate SLES.

@TomO'Connor We're going to SLES

from Solaris

Don't.

Not my choice

I think Debian is still by far my favourite distro

@cole This one server had file/print, SQL, backups, AD/PDC,DNS,DHCP, CRM, 4x Applications being "served" out. Then they asked me (on day 3 of me starting work) why the server was slow. Well....it only has 2 GB of RAM and all that other junk running on it. Took the load off of it though for the most part with virtualization

12:37 PM

for sanity, LTS and generally not being a pile of steaming shit.

I managed a IBM Balanced Config Unit that was all SLES. Made me want to slit my throat

@Travis ouch. Are you working for a manufacturing place by any chance?

I need to install krb5-devel

but can't

because it's on an isolated network

whomp

so i need to mirror / proxy the sles repo

@cole nailed it

12:38 PM

but i can't find the repo path to mirror.

@Travis My background is all manufacturing IT (like where I am now)

Normally, i'd say, "screw this, i'm using Ubuntu"

So I know the pains you're going through. We have 20+ W2K boxes, 15 NT Domains and it's just a cluster of fuck

lolwut

My manager sat there and like.....begged me not to quit yesterday. I made no mention of evening looking for a new job or quitting. It was weird and I felt uncomfortable as fuck

12:40 PM

@cole I got hired right out of college to a government job so this one is the first "real" job I've had and boy what a nightmare some times

maybe your manager is reading the SF chat stream

And did you take that opportunity to make demands...?

COLE IS YELLING BIRD EVERYONE!!!!!!!111!!!one!one!!

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@Travis The thing about Manufacturing IT is yeah it kinda sucks with budgets and what not, but you learn a lot because you have to be creative and mostly everything is critical

Everyone got that? Everyone? Everyone? Cole's boss? Beuller?

12:41 PM

LADY I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S NOT WHERE A SPECULUM GOES BUT I ADMIRE YOUR MOXY

Tweeted by yelling_bird on April 24, 2013 at 12:35 AM

see, it all makes sense now

@RobM That would certainly make sense. My boss follows me on Twitter. I make the assumption that anything I say I here will be read by my boss and/or HR. /cc @Cole

@RobM Nah, he just noticed all I do is do my work and go home. I don't really talk to anyone.

He said "I had three people come to me asking if you were okay"

@Cole They've probably notice that you're less chatty since losing your boobies.

@ScottPack anything you say here will eventually be indexed and filed away by google so your grandkids will be able to read it

12:43 PM

ah

@ScottPack pretty much

@Iain I'm going to have a lot of explaining to do

@Iain Yes. There's also a difference between conversations being indexed and searchable versus read.

@Cole Stop acting suicidal at work

@gWaldo if you worked here, you'd want to slit your wrists too

@Iain I remember finding many volumes in the University library that were cataloged and had clearly not been touched in decades.

12:44 PM

KILL IT WITH FIRE

@Cole Nah; eating a bullet is more my style... ;-)

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Q: MS Access on windows 2008R2 stops working from time to time

I'm having a problem with my dedicated server running MS Widows 2008R2. In the server I have multiple websites using MS Access. From time to time, all the websites stop working (not all at once) for between a couple of minutes to an hour and then they return to work as normal (also not all at on...

windows-server-2008 iis7.5 access

MS Access makes me sad

Slitting your wrists is for 15 year old girls. Are you a 15 year old girl, @Cole?

@ScottPack I was. once.

@Cole And you got better. And now you don't do that.

12:45 PM

Actually when I ODed I used pills

@Cole We've all had 'the shit job'; apply those lessons to be more selective in interviews.

and in fact almost died. That was scary

@Cole :(

#realtalk

@gWaldo lol I had lots of them, but yeah - it's because I haven't been more selective/asked the right questions in interviews

@TomO'Connor I came out better for it.

I would never do that again. Not worth it.

12:46 PM

hugs Cole

May 26 will be 3 years since I ODed.

My life is better now than I could have ever imagined.

There are people in this world that I wouldn't mind if they rm -fr 'd themselves, but you are not one of them, Cole.

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Mostly just because my beard is finally starting to come in.

The beard helps

Beards4Lyfe

I need to be able to compete with @ScottPack and @MDMarra

12:48 PM

@Cole Good luck. I can't speak for Mark but I've had a beard since you were a girl. :)

@gWaldo frickin' amen to that.

That's probably a sentence I never actually imagined myself saying.

It's coming in slowly but surely. My friend had a full beard after 9 months on T :(

But then again, I know a guy who's been on T for 3+ years and has virtually no facial hair. So I'll take what I have. Especially since in the past ~3 months my goatee was like WHABAM out of nowhere and now my sideburns are coming in.

Ok, I'm stepping away for a bit; need to do actual work.

@gWaldo pfftt

My therapist thinks I have ADD and gave me a psychiatrists number to get tested.

12:50 PM

@Cole If it's any solace, it looks thicker in pictures. I'm ginger enough that follicle density is rather low. Not patchy, just not dense. :(

@ScottPack I wish I had a ginger beard.

My hair is almost jet black, but I'm 30% gray now. So I think I'm going to end up with a salt and pepper beard like my dad

The best part of leaning red is that I'm getting white hairs, not grey.

I keep getting white hairs in my mustache and often get them in my eyebrows

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Cole you need an @MDMarra beard of awesome.

@cole What budget lol? I'm also working for a family business and the owner wants to be in the middle of everything but he is lost on IT. He still wants to try to dictate things with IT even though he doesn't understand it. The firewall was an interesting piece of hardware too... They had policies to "allow" things through but no policies to block anything.

12:52 PM

@ScottPack yeah, mine are white.

@DennisKaarsemaker Speaking of, do you have any idea who that tubby guy dancing with @mdmarra's wife was?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ScottPack the who and the what now?

@Travis ouch, what type of manufacturing?

@DennisKaarsemaker Haven't you seen any of his wedding pictures?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

nope.

12:53 PM

Nor have I

@Cole I've got brown hair but two small silver/grey patches on both sides of my head, it's...odd.

@tombull89 I have it all over my head. My girlfriend says she likes it.

I sent her flowers at work yesterday. All the girls at the office were like "What did he do wrong?" "Was he being fresh?"

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Adrian prod.

Girlfriend "I'm going to rip Byron's face off." Me: "why?" Her: "CLIFFHANGER" then she does't respond to my text -_-

Probably had a patient come in

So wait, has anyone in here done their degree online?

@Cole It's a slitting operation for film and foil. We don't actually manufacture anything. We just cut little rolls out of big rolls :)

1:02 PM

@Travis ah, interesting

@Travis get some experience, then get out of there. Otherwise you'll go crazy

Like me

@cole I was pulling my hair out when I first got here, but now I just chill. I do what I want when I want. I've automated every task they had before and have alerts set up so when something goes wrong I know about it. The pay will eventually outweigh the headache I think but definitely keeping options open

@cole I just don't stress over anything.

I'm learning not to stress so much.

@cole Only way to do it. I come in when I want, leave when I want (the policy is not to fire anyone anyway). I rebuilt their network from ground up, got them on a fibre channel SAN with 5 virtualized servers. Now I'm working on moving from XP to Win7 and from Office 2000 to 2010 and 2013. Also trying to get rid of the pirated software out there.

On-topic? Off-topic? Suited to Ubuntu.se?

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Q: How to setup security web cams for motion detection with zoneminder on ubuntu?

We are trying to get these security cams working with zoneminder but it doesn't seem to like it with rtsp or ffmpeg. This command works from the command line. cvlc rtsp://cam1.lan:554/PSIA/Streaming/channels/0 --sout=file/ts:stream.ts but if we put this rtsp url into in zoneminder's ffmpeg op...

@Travis good on you! I did something similar at a manufacturing plant 2 jobs ago.

1:09 PM

@tombull89 Seems out of the scope of SF

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@tombull89 seems fairly on-topic to me.

I've started the path to MCSE Private Cloud + Server Infrastructure.. boy do I have some hard months ahead

Dennis Kaarsemaker

it's not the regular "server is burning", but a professional working on an application on his system.

@pauska I'm looking at doing Server Infrastructure once I can get my god damn VCP rescheduled. That brutal?

@pauska Is there specific program for such dual certifications or are you just being hardcore and taking on two at once?

1:11 PM

@cole VCP was hard I thought

@jscott No, I'll do private cloud first and then take server infrastructure

MCSA is 3 certs, the mcse's all require MCSA and they are two exams each

@Travis did you take it?

@cole The 4.0 or 4.1 I think it was. They were just coming up with the 5 when I took it

This made me laugh:

http://i.imgur.com/wjkio24.jpg

also made my head hurt.

@Travis from what I've seen its hard if you're new to vmware..

I'm going to do VCP5 as well - just gotta get the mcse's done first

1:13 PM

@Travis I'll be taking 5. I've been working with it since 3.5, and was the lead VMware guy at NetApp for engineering support

the bad part is that there are no (good) microsoft press books out

they don't arrive until late october

@pauska I'm finding it pretty tough - it covers a very broad range and I'm really struggling with the bits I don't see day to day

@mossy LOL

@Dan what bits are you struggling with?

@pauska I did the 1 week class before hand and already had a year of novice practice. I set up an entire VM environment for a government location from scratch following a how-to book they gave us. I learned quite a bit. I didn't have all the practical knowledge for it

1:14 PM

@mossy That doesn't make any sense. It puts Triangulum and Andromeda way too far away, but we both know those two and the Milky Way are part of the tri-galaxy system. Otherwise the whole premise of Andromeda doesn't work.

Damn it scott. LAUGH AT MY JOKES.

@mossy DILLON HUNT IS NOT AMUSED!

@cole You should be good. It's not like a microsoft cert. VMware wants you to KNOW their stuff (not book stuff) and it was written in a very technical manner. I took it a year ago and it had some very technical questions. I had a lot of VMNIC questions that I didn't know the answer to and the class I went to didn't even go over

@pauska Can't think off the top of my head, I'm getting better but FC for example. And some of the questions on auto deployment etc

I've just never had to do that stuff

@mossy I didn't get the joke?

1:18 PM

@Travis Given the fact that the universe is so incredibly vast that there is no way for the human mind to understand it there's this idea that something finds it worthwhile to make strong opinions known on whether or not we should spill a few milliliters of semen.

@ScottPack That was my assumption but wanted to make sure.

I'm going to try a VCP5 VCE now, just for the fun of it

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ScottPack Why settle for mere milliliters... urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_blue_whale.htm

309 questions, holy cow

@Travis It's cool, he totally missed my joke about a campy SciFi show from TBS.

1:21 PM

I think VCP5 is 80ish questions?

@ScottPack oh, me?

@DennisKaarsemaker We're talking about human masturbation, not poor aim on the part of a sea mammal.

I don't watch tv.

@cole I finished Security+ in 29 minutes. MCSA Windows 7 in 9. I finished VCP4 with 3 minutes to spare :)

@ScottPack @DennisKaarsemaker Did you know that if a Dolphin had sex with a human it would decapitate the person when it orgasmed?

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@mossy That show aired from 2000-2005, so wow. You probably weren't allowed to stay up late enough to watch it.

1:23 PM

Bed time at 9.

@Travis I haven't sat a cert in a long time, since MCSA 2003

@cole I meant MCTS when I said MCSA. I did my Sec+ in 2008 and MCTS in 09. The government was pushing me to get another cert and I had to find one with a short class so I did the MCTS which was a 2 day class. If I knew I could have went another 1 day and got the MCTS on Server 2008.

@Travis I see the classiness levels in here are off the charts today

@Olipro A little bit of antisemitism mixed with bestiality kind of day.

First time paying rent with out a roommate. Feels bad, man.

1:30 PM

you can offset that feeling by walking around your place stark bollock naked

with the blinds open

of course

and if he can tell someone's looking in, that's the optimum time to start cracking one off

@Travis When did we hit antisemitism?

@ScottPack With the Jesus thing

@Travis I hope you didn't pull a muscle stretching that far.

1:35 PM

@mossy how much is your rent?

That was clearly the mockery of organized religion as opposed to disparaging the ethnic groups of the Near East.

@ScottPack Yep! I used the wrong word. I was doing too many things at once lol

@Travis Curses.

lol

@ScottPack Here. I'm Jewish. I took offense :) Antisemitic now ha!

@Cole Here is what you'll be up against. There were quite a few multiple choices if I remember correctly on the VCP4. blog.mwpreston.net/vcp-5/practice-quiz

@Travis yeah I've been using that and some other study material. Most of it's just review for me

1:51 PM

@pauska do you think I can pass a VCP?

@ewwhite I'm halfway in the test right now, and it looks like I can't pass it

lots of questions about stuff you seldom use..

vcenter data recovery, VSA, dvswitches and so on

but you have lots of experience with auto deploy and host profiles..

The class helps with a lot of that stuff

Because I never used vApp stuff before, but the class went over it + labs really helped.

yeah, it looks like I have to do a class for this

Yeah, you do. I did it online.

test center in the building next to work

just gotta get the boss to pay up :)

1:56 PM

That's convenient

My work did pay for the class for me.

Wondering if I can get them to pay for a RedHat class too

@pauska I feel like VMware is geared towards people without Linux expertise.

I use host profiles. I don't know what to do with auto-deploy.

dvswitches, I stumble through,

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