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7:01 AM
G'day
 
Woah. I didn't even know this was in there. 0pointer.de/blog/projects/multi-seat.html
 
@JourneymanGeek Wow, it's been, what... three whole weeks without that being posted?
How can anyone go three weeks without a 55 gallon drum of lube?
I just... some people... degenerates!! That's what they are.
A lack of lubricant is just downright unamerican.
 
@WesleyDavid It takes most of us more than three weeks to use 55 gallons of lube.
 
@WesleyDavid: someone really ought to make a greasemonkey extention for useful links like that
 
7:18 AM
A !lube chat macro would be nice.
 
Nothing worse than a dry chat.
 
Wait, there are macros?
 
I did find what appears to be an Easter egg in chat.SE though.
 
7:21 AM
Oh the rm one?
 
type rm -rf
 
no, not that one. The rm -rf one.
 
oh, some channels have them, rootaccess has clippy
rm -rf
 
Tee hee.
 
7:21 AM
exit
oh, nice ;p
 
giggles
 
rm -rf
 
rm -fr
 
that's the coolest thing ive seen in a while.
 
^^ I think that's a bug!
 
7:34 AM
Howdy
hello
Hey, @MichaelHampton
 
Good morning.
 
Hows it going?
@MichaelHampton if you had a million dollars, what would you do with it?
 
@Noah Invest.
 
Invest in what? Facebook?
 
Who knows? I'll burn that bridge when i come to it.
Though, IMO, anybody who invests in Facebook is a complete idiot.
 
7:37 AM
Right, that's what I thought
 
It's done nothing but drop like a rock since the IPO.
 
I dont know why these suckers invested in FB in the first place...
 
They had cash to burn?
 
Guess so
Now's a good time to invest in apple
at least till the end of this year
 
@Noah Two chicks at the same time.
 
7:40 AM
1984 was a good time to invest in Apple.
 
Unsolicited answer + movie quote.
 
@AaronCopley I get that for free.
 
@AaronCopley Why would you spend a million on something that you can get for free?
 
woooosh
 
@Noah As for Apple, their being worth half a trillion dollars stretches the bounds of credulity. If I had AAPL I'd be running for the exits.
 
7:41 AM
@MichaelHampton right.
Plus, after Steve's death i dont think apple is gonna be up high like this forever...
 
Yep, Wozniak and Jobs made the company, with neither of them it's likely to go off the rails again.
 
@AaronCopley links are not accepted
@AaronCopley should be posting real movies :)
 
No YouTube at work. :(
Or any streaming video for that matter.
 
@MichaelHampton right. I wouldnt vouch for Woz as he's been out for a long time...
 
7:44 AM
@MichaelHampton: woz hasn't been involved in ages
And he's a proper geek
 
OK, Jobs then.
 
@AaronCopley kick your boss, or take him/her to a court...
@MichaelHampton true
 
Hahaha... No, I like my job. :)
 
@AaronCopley I dont have one, so i dont give a damn... :)
@MichaelHampton what do you think of Google?
Looks like a big mess to me
 
7:48 AM
Think so
 
Must be nice. Just sit and play the stock market?
 
Actually I don't play the stock market. But if I had a million dollars, I would.
 
Yea, passes the time
 
You all think this is true? Outlook is the reason that Linux isn't on the desktop?
 
@MichaelHampton I cant belive this...
 
7:51 AM
I think Linux is the reason Linux isn't on the desktop.
(morning)
 
@SmallClanger morning
 
Possibly. I run Linux on my desktop at work. But have a Windows VM I rdesktop into just for e-mail, and our ticketing system.
 
@MichaelHampton: personally? MS office. LO/OOo suck in comparison
 
I just dont understand why we have so many clones of Linux? Cnat they just work on one unified platform?
 
@Noah: 'clones' no
 
7:53 AM
@Noah Clones of Linux?
 
varients, ya
 
Ubuntu
CentOS
Fedora
arent these clones?
 
Nope, they're distributions.
 
okay, whatever, why so many dis?
 
In some cases, because they can. In others, because they don't like the way something was done.
 
7:55 AM
I think it would make a much better OS, that could compete commercial OSs.
 
Lots of people have their own opinions on what is better, and in some cases different distributions may be better for an application. It depends on the needs of the end-user. And to have options and competition is a good thing.
 
Ask google. plenty of blog posts and articles on that very question
Core to it is understanding what linux is. No distro is 'linux'. They all just happen to ship with the GNU/Linux kernel. There's a common set of tools to all of them, and a lot of the differences are just cosmetic
 
@Noah: well practically.. There's a handful of base distros, and varients on them
Ubuntu started as a debian varient with a more consistant release cycle
(and still pulls in debian packages)
 
The big ones can be divided by their controlling ethos. Redhat/suse have commercial ownership and are driven by the need to provide stability and support to paying customers.
 
@Aaaron Right, but sometimes working on so many options could ruin the basic idea of having a one good one.
 
7:59 AM
Centos, Oracle Linux and Scentific Linux are RHEL with different owners
Centos and SL are free, Oracle has a Oracle support contract
 
Debian prides it self on being entirely free (in every sense) and Ubuntu is heading down a road that makes it easy to use for the desktop (although it still fails at that)
 
@Noah: worked well for... erm.. what os? ;p
 
@noah So an OS should be everything to everyone?
 
I rather think of a linux distro as a base
I pick one that works for what i want then customise it as needed
rather than getting a whole package out of the box
 
Not really. My idea is that these different teams work together to build a better OS
 
8:00 AM
(you can swap linux with $bsd)
@Noah: technically, the big difference is in packaging methods
and some kernel patches, choice of default builds, package repository management...
 
@Noah What teams? The kernel might have a core of developers, but the distros have thousands of contributors.
Even the commercial ones mostly rely on bringing in upstream patches form the original devs rather than fixing stuff themselves.
 
@JourneymanGeek If you dont have proper UIs and apps for these OSs, it's difficult to convince a Windows user to switch ot it...
 
@Noah Linux has Minesweeper and 16 different solitaire games. I think we've got the basics covered.
 
@MichaelHampton alright...
 
@Noah Your basic home user wants web, email, Farmville, and chat. We've got all that and then some. And it even looks pretty good.
 
8:04 AM
@SmallClanger I am gona drop this...
I had a hard time convincing the average user to use Linux...
They think it's a big beast...
 
@Noah Stop showing them the text console, then. :P
 
@MichaelHampton how about buy them a Mac?
@MichaelHampton but the console is the mom of Linux
 
@Noah Can you play Farmville on it?
 
@MichaelHampton I dont play that game
 
@Noah Neither does anybody else in here, I'd wager. But a LOT of "normal" "users" do.
 
8:08 AM
@Noah It's hard to convince people because linux is still rubbish compared to windows as a unified usability experience. No doubt.
 
plus, if I had a cow, I wouldd suck on her nipples
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@SmallClanger true
 
(I love starring out of context quotes)
 
@SmallClanger give us a break, will you :)
 
Scary. Obviously hard to use. Can't figure out what to do.
 
@MichaelHampton this looks cool on the outside...
 
8:13 AM
Easy to cherry pick. Come back when you've had to configure a recalcitrant printer...
 
@Noah You should see what happens if you click on "World of Warcraft".
@SmallClanger I have a recalcitrant printer.
 
Plus you work in IT, you're not the target audience :P
 
That's just my point. You have to think about the target audience.
 
@MichaelHampton what happens? cant click on the damn image... lol
 
@Noah It starts playing some music and I get a picture of a really nasty looking dragon.
 
8:15 AM
@SmallClanger why not? Dont they deserve better UIs?
alright guys... gotta run
see ya
 
Yep, it's bedtime for me too.
 
Absolutely. I want to see Linux as a credible alternative.
It's just not there yet, however much we want it to be.
Night all :)
(it's 9:20 am here and I'm in the office on a saturday)
 
It's 4:20 AM here, and I've been at work since 0900 yesterday.
2 more VMs to migrate.
 
@AaronCopley D= Careful on the drive home.
 
@WesleyDavid Yea, will do.
 
8:19 AM
1:20AM here and I'm about to go to bed and hope I don't sleep too close to noon.
 
I had a drive timeout last night in an array. Came in this morning and the controller was swearing everything was ok.
 
 
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^ hey, I just met you... and this is crazy...
 
 
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8:19 PM
Evening
 
Yesssss.
 
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Q: Cannot ping some PC on VPN

FractalizeRI've set up VPN network between office and shop. Everything seems to be ok except for the fact that I can ping simple devices only. For example, we have scales with TCP/IP interface. So, from the office I can ping scales, that are on the shop network. But I cannot ping Linux Pcs there. And vice v...

 
i'm on systems upgrade #2 of the day.
 
@MilesErickson long time no see - what do you want doing with that btw ?
 
8:39 PM
Is it normal for people to distribute their own ssh keys? I have a vendor asking me to install an ssh key for them.
 
@ewwhite do you intend to allow them access ?
 
Well, it's the company I used to work for... I manage systems for about 30% of their clients.
and when I upgrade systems, I keep all of their developers' keys intact...
but I just got a note from them asking me to install their root ssh key...
(Could you please have Ed update the authorized_keys file to include our public key that was present on the old hardware?)
 
they want root access ?
 
maybe that's not an odd request... but they have password access.
 
Seems reasonable. Then again if they already have access, they could do it themselves.
 
8:49 PM
yes, they want root... which isn't a problem. They can login with a password.
and install their own key... I mean, yes, I did work there... so I could install a root key from like 4 years ago...
 
perhaps they want to be more secure - disable password login for root etc
 
believe me.. they don't... it's just them complaining.
I'll do it... but ugh.
 
if the customer wants it then do it - I'd also ask $oldemployer for their current public key 'just in case'
 
Good point.
I was going to tell them to run ssh-copy-id from their systems...
but then I realized RHEL4 (which is what they're on) doesn't have it.
poo
 
@ewwhite it's a 50 line script
 
8:56 PM
Oh wow.. it is.
 
yeah it's a shell script whether RHEL4 has all the required bits n bobs IDK
 
well, I still feel like there are more ssh-related utilities to understand. I always had my own for of an ssh-copy-id... nice to see something bundled with, though.
 
@ewwhite there is always something to learn
 
9:19 PM
I'm still on probably 3 unix commands/tricks per week.
 
10:07 PM
@Iain I was of a mind to think that it ought to be closed as TL. The problem was described inaccurately/incompletely, such that the answer is almost irrelevant to the question as it is currently written.
@Iain of course, if that's not the logical conclusion that others reach, then I'm content to be 1 vote of 1
 
 
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@MDMarra Oops, I never sent you that contract. But you're already working. So... how's that going?
 
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