The Comms Room

12:13 AM

netapp support guy drove over from Wenatchee to do an install today. shipping firm never actually shipped the netapp thingy, it's still on a loading dock where ever they're born

so... fun times

the first two shipped by the same firm showed up destroyed

lsiunsuex

why does IE have to be such a little bitch

Ry Jones

why do little bitches use IE?

lsiunsuex

i'm gonna retire and come back in 10 years when IE has caught up to webkit

Ry Jones

assuming webkit is stagnant for a decade: not a good retirement plan

lsiunsuex

how does that get a star? do i look like a bitch that uses IE? I'm a pro baby.

Ry Jones

12:23 AM

so Opera?

lsiunsuex

ha - now thats funny

Ry Jones

I'm sure, at some point, IE will be worth worrying about

lsiunsuex

IE10 actually renders this website the same as firefox so that'll be good in 20 years when everyone upgrades to it

Ry Jones

Just today I was told to test some software on XP. A small part of me died. Fortunately, I'm 200 pounds overweight, so it was probably a fat cell.

lsiunsuex

really should charge more for every version of IE < 9 that i need to test in. pain in my ass

Ry Jones

12:27 AM

or don't do it at any price.

lsiunsuex

i'll call it the "your an asshole" tax

Joel E Salas

@RyJones Every new job I take, I hope inside "Maybe this is the last job where I have to support Windows XP." Hasn't happened yet.

Ry Jones

@JoelESalas I suspect my kids will be retiring and XP will still be in the support matrix

lsiunsuex

the 500 hp thin clients that i have at my day job are xp embedded with ie8 so until they die and we drop another 300k on new equipment, XP will be around for a looooooooooooong time

Ry Jones

I think all of the registers at the Subway and McDonald's chains use XP

(embedded)

lsiunsuex

12:32 AM

xp may fall out of support but it'll take the 2nd coming to replace all of it. and the 2nd coming is NOT windows 8

Mark Henderson

@RyJones I suspect IPv4 will still be in production by the time our kids retire

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson hell, our grandkids

Mark Henderson

"GranPop, is it true that when you were young there were only 4294967296 IP addresses?"

"Yes little Susan. And one day I will tell you about the fabled story of IPv5"

"GranPop, was there ever an IPv1?"
"Susan, don't talk such heresy!"

Ry Jones

"if you mention NETBIOS again I'll smack the taste out of your mouth!"

Chris S

@MarkHenderson I strongly suspect in the next 20 years IPv4 will be about as common as NetBIOS, IPX, and TokenRing.

lsiunsuex

12:45 AM

we have a sister company that still uses twinax even though we gave them our old iseries box with ethernet

they don't want to re-wire the office and install a switch

and its only, 10 stations? i could wire it in a day

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS I ran IPX over a VPN a few years ago so I could play C&C with my friend

ewwhite

I have mail servers spread around the city because I can't have any mail downtime

Chris S

@MarkHenderson That's what I mean, it'll never die off; though I suspect 95% or more of traffic will be IPv6 in 20 years. I took a long time for IPv4 to thoroughly unseat IPX, NetBIOS, etc...

@ewwhite So when a tornado cuts a path through the city, what are the chances that all the mail servers get hit. =]

I suppose it's more likely that the local powerplant has issues and a brown/blackout takes out the whole city/region.

ewwhite

Don't worry. "Dynamic IP's using dyndns for security and ease of setup. (already done)"

I'm just being mean.

Chris S

@lsiunsuex At $Job[-1] I was starting a project to replace the TwinAx in the plant. I had 3 loops done when I left. I imagine they're still in that mixed state as the new sysadmin was "less knowledgeable" than me.

Mark Henderson

12:51 AM

@ewwhite He should just run it on his cell phone. Mobile - check. Secure - check. Dynamic IP - check.

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson Nice idea. It'll be up when he needs it.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Low latency, too, if you're reading your mail on your phone

Ry Jones

port UUCP to android/ios

Mark Henderson

A jailbroken iPhone probably could run an MTA

Ry Jones

transport all email over newsgroups using public/private keys

Mark Henderson

12:53 AM

Fuck iPhones could probably run an old version of Exchange

Ry Jones

I'm always looking to make UUCP a solution to modern problems.

Mark Henderson

@RyJones @WesleyDavid would be happy, according to Wikipedia UUCP was ported to CP/M

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson The One True OS

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson nice. Hell, I've argued forever that UUCP should be the transport for RSS feeds

lsiunsuex

the perfect DR device - iphone as web / email server. if theres a facility fire, power outage, etc... just take the phone with you! store the website files and exchange mailboxes in a dropbox acct and your all set.

need load balancing ? no problem! multiple iphones across bonjour

HopelessN00b

12:57 AM

"Get him! That pickpocket just stole our email server!"

Mark Henderson

@lsiunsuex Ohhh I like

voretaq7

1:55 AM

@HopelessN00b "Bah, no great loss to humanity/"

Oh... IPv5....

HopelessN00b

Not to mention one less system to monitor.

voretaq7

let's just all retroactively agree that IP versioning follows the GNUism of "Even number = production/stable, odd number = development/testing"

HopelessN00b

must be why my Droid's having trouble with its staticly assigned IPv7 address.

voretaq7

I've decided to downgrade to IPve

Failing that IPvi

0

Q: What should be included in the documentation for a new network?

I work for a mid-sized church and have just completed a fairly extensive overhaul of the network (wireless, fiber between buildings, firewall, managed switches, the whole shebang). As I'm working on the documentation, I'm wanting to get some input as to what should absolutely be included, and wha...

don't we have a canonical question for that?

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Man what kind of church has enough money to afford managed switches and fiber?

Most church networks I've seen are a Linksys router sitting ontop of a cable modem

Usually under the secretarys desk

Shane Madden

2:10 AM

"mid-sized" must not mean what we think it means.

rnxrx

what's large? 30 machines?

Mark Henderson

@ShaneMadden Churchs are normally pretty small operations, so i guess a mid-sized church is anything bigger than a single building?

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson Roman Catholics baby!

Used to be golden candlesticks and jewel-encrusted goblets. These days it's Genuine Cisco and 100Mbit fiber!

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Wow 100Mb fiber, thats fast buddy

Imagine all the gay porn they could download on that

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson Our priests would never.... um.... nevermind.

Mark Henderson

2:19 AM

@voretaq7 Read a story a few weeks ago about a priest in ireland who plugged his USB into the projector and it immediately started a slideshow of gay porn

He quickly unplugged it and dissapeared for a few minutes, before coming back and saying "That was one I confiscated, here's the right one"

(it was at a school)

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson . . . nice save?

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Yeah I think he got away with it

Except for the part where it was reported in worldwide media

voretaq7

"OHSHIT!" :rip out drive: :run to chapel: "Lord please let thy followers be gullible fools." :run back to conference: "I uh,,, confiscated that one. Here's the real one"

I can't believe we don't have a canonical "What to Document" question...

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Sounds like we have a question, now it just needs an answer

voretaq7

ahaL

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Q: Getting started with documentation

We haven't been doing any documentation at my workplace. I'm completely new to it and ask for some guidance getting started. I have a few questions: What are the essential documents that a sysadmin should write and maintain? And why are these so important? How do you keep your documentation ...

documentation getting-started

How's that one look? :)

Mark Henderson

2:30 AM

It sounds delicious, chickeninabiscuit

Which reminds me, anyone know what happened to Sam?

Sam ♦, Norfolk, United Kingdom

24.1k 3 41 71

windows exchange windows-server-2003 windows-server-2008 active-directory exchange-2007 iis

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson ...eaten by a grue?

Mark Henderson

You having problems on SF? I'm getting a shitload of CDN failures

(what a surprise)

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson haven't noticed any

Mark Henderson

Seems to be better now

SF's CDN sucks

Joel E Salas

3:10 AM

I need some advice, amigos

Mark Henderson

Whats up?

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Ready for it?

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas Take the Red Pill.

woooow.

That's teh suxor.

Mark Henderson

That is suxor

Shane Madden

I missed it.

Mark Henderson

3:20 AM

(plus I don't need to be ready; I can view history)

I've never actually heard of anyone getting a de-raise, except for salary sacrificing

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid So all said and done, would anyone hold that against me as part of my professional background?

Mark Henderson

Especially such a large de-raise

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas IMO, no. If you get questions asked about only working at a place for a few months, then say you were asked to take an unexpected paycut that was unlivable.

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson It's substantial.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas I doubt it. "Why did you leave your previous employer?" "They asked me to re-negotiate my salary at a substantially lower amount" "oh, thats very odd of them, but I totally get that"

Joel E Salas

3:22 AM

Thanks fellas, I feel a bit better about it

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas That's effing huge, BTW.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Thats half the salary of an entry level position

@JoelESalas - I would do the two weeks thing, but I know employment in the US is very different to here

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas Don't sign. Look elsewhere. Maybe you're not ready to go full free agent? Maybe work as employee for a few more years?

Mark Henderson

But here, if I signed a new contract and then packed it in, I could be liable

I think that signing and bailing would look bad if they found out

Ultimately I think you should see if you can exit the relationship acrimoniously, in case you ever have to deal with them again

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Purposely on bad terms?

voretaq7

3:26 AM

@JoelESalas Burn their fucking building down. And keep the stapler.

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas No, I mean on good terms

voretaq7

(seriously though do you have other offers up yet?)

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 You gon' get Milton'd

Mark Henderson

I used the wrong word

voretaq7

@JoelESalas i was promised there would be cake. And the cake is a lie!

Joel E Salas

3:27 AM

@voretaq7 Nothing, I've been busting my butt here

voretaq7

@JoelESalas I wouldn't sign a commitment contract

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas Don't listen to Mark. He's a cat. He's evil. Listen to me instead.

Destroy them and everyone they love.

voretaq7

you can accept the salary with the understanding that you're leaving 2 weeks after you find something better, if the company would be cool with that.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Shutup just cos I used a word wrong.

I speak the good england!

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 Yeah, all of the employees I've ever met said that after doing that, all the romance went out of the relationship

voretaq7

3:28 AM

@JoelESalas and then you discover the ring is tin and rhinestones.

@MarkHenderson the queen's own Bri'ish?

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Aye guv'na

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 I couldn't respond because I was installing Linux in a VM, and OSX decided that it needed disk I/O to let me type in a browser

voretaq7

Mach-Scheduler: DISK BUSY! EVERYONE WAIT!
Program: But I just need the keyboard for a...
M-S: SSSSH! WAAAAAAAAIT!
P: Uh, can I render this video frame for the...
M-S: NO! DISK BUSY!
P: Uh, I just need the framebuff
M-S: WAAAAAAAAAAAIT!

3

User: Um, hey, I'd like to click on
M-S: BEACHBALL MOTHERFUCKER -- DO YOU SEE IT? I'M BUSY!

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 User: Okay, but I'm just going to go ahead and... :click:

Mark Henderson

Dec 29 '11 at 21:20, by voretaq7

You are in a datacenter. It is very loud.
There is a lamp and a server here.

> get lamp
Ok.

> get server
Ok.

> lamp server
What?

> lamp server
Try using a verb.

> lamp server
Dude, VERB the NOUN!

> lamp server
GAHHHHH! YOU ARE DEAD! THE INTERPRETER KILLED YOU OUT OF FRUSTRATION.
YOUR SCORE IS 0 OUT OF A POSSIBLE 1000
I'M NOT LETTING YOU PLAY AGAIN - PISS OFF!

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WesleyDavid

3:43 AM

Os X: You need to restart your computer. Hold down the Power button for several seconds or press the Restart button.

Mark Henderson

I think @voretaq7 likes to write narratives

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Damn you. You just had to post nine reams of bullshit between my devastating humor?

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson If we don't anthropomorphize our servers we'd just be unplugging them all...

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid It wasn't that funny. Its frustrating. The number of times I've had to hold Apple+Option+Shift+Escape just to close iPhoto makes me want to cry

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson You know what? I'm not even talking to you for the rest of the night. You can lick your own butt for all I care.

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Mark Henderson

3:45 AM

Cats: The inventors of rimjobs. Since 5,000BC motherfuckers

voretaq7

Hey, it's because of Summer of Love that I can't post that as an answer.
Stupid summer of love...

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Looks like winter here

voretaq7

::mutters:: not even gettin' any lovin. Stupid be kind to users week....

@MarkHenderson Australian summer! Is big heat pump - you get the cold end until we reverse the pump.

WesleyDavid

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid ...

WesleyDavid

3:47 AM

@voretaq7 ... dad?

voretaq7

^ Made glorious summer by this ~~son~~ uh, daughter (i guess?) of York?

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 fwiw ^^ that is the heart of winter outside my office

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson mmhmm... yah....

you can't see it right now but I'm holding up a map of Australia with "FUCK YOU" scrawled across it :)

WesleyDavid

It's 8:50 and 100F right now. Summer FTW.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Summer at my parents place, I left their house at 2am to start driving home, and it was at least 35c (95f)

voretaq7

3:50 AM

@WesleyDavid :kicks weather beast:

our weather has gone from "KillMeNowKillMeNowKillMeNow" (35c/95f @ 90% RH) to "Oh thank you Jebus" (77F, 50% RH)

Mark Henderson

I fucking hate winter. Although every time Summer comes around and you walk out of the air conditioned office into 40 degree heat (dry heat too, very low RH), its like being hit by a furnace

Even with that, I still hate it when winter comes around

Winter is just cold, depressing bullshit

So @WesleyDavid, if you plan on marrying an aussie chick, have you ever even been here?

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Nope. That'll have to wait until the reception.

Chris S

@MarkHenderson What's the typical temperature of Winter where you are? Looks awfully nice in that picture (leaves on the trees and everything)

My trees are losing their leaves from the heat cooking them to death.

voretaq7

-1

Q: SSH (sftp) Server - DMZ or Port Forwarding?

I run an SSH server on my main machine. What are the security risks here, and advantages/disadvantages to port forwarding or a DMZ? Also, is there a way to tunnel an SSH server without making changes in the router?

ssh port-forwarding sftp dmz

Chris S

I'm pretty sure one of my trees is dead; another is questionable; the other two are only doing well because they're the most expensive and I've been watering them to ensure they don't die.

voretaq7

3:56 AM

can someone else be mean to him on this one? I'mma get a reputation again...

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Hmmm maybe 5 in the morning, up to 15-20 during the day, back to 5 at night, 0 on a realllly cold night

Chris S

@MarkHenderson It doesn't usually freeze??

Mark Henderson

For each 200km south of here you can knock about 1 degree off each of those measurements, so by the time you're in Tasmania or Melbourne you're talking 0 in the mornings and about a max of 12-15

Chris S

Heck! That doesn't even count as Winter

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS In some areas, sure, but they're generally the alps, or down south where you get winds blown from antarctica

voretaq7

3:58 AM

@ChrisS seriously.

Winter we're lucky if we're above freezing around here.

5c would be a damn heat wave!

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 And to think I was considering moving to NY

I hate the cold. I hate hopping out of the shower on cold mornings, even with the heated towel and four 400w heat lamps going full bore

voretaq7

I have never been to Australia, however, I did own a Sony Walkman Outback. I believe this should count. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellemorgan/3642395497/

Tweeted by codinghorror on August 7, 2012 at 3:57 AM

@MarkHenderson ^^ Has y'all technology advanced past that yet? :-)

::ducks angry platypus::

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 He just happened to tweet that today?

voretaq7

ooh! ooh! ooh! @MarkHenderson! @MarkHenderson!
If you send me a breeding pair of Platypodes I will stop making fun of australia for... uh... a while.

Mark Henderson

And yes, we even have mini-disc players

voretaq7

4:01 AM

@MarkHenderson ayup

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 yeah where the fuck am I going to get them from? Break into a zoo? :P

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson Don't they just like run wild around there?

Chris S

@MarkHenderson It's only above 5C consistently for about 9 months out of the year here. And above 15C for about 4 or so.

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 In a desert oasis, maybe

@ChrisS What the fuck? Fuck that shit.

Now I'm glad FC kicked me the the curb. I even asked them about the weather there. They said "Oh, its not so bad, you just wear a jacket and a scarf". WTF

Chris S

I hate heat. So this suits me just fine.

voretaq7

4:03 AM

@MarkHenderson damnit, your country SUCKS! I mean seriously, you have all the cool animals, but you can't even catch 'em and send 'em to me!

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Do you want a snake?

I can catch a snake for you

voretaq7

:mutters: all I want is a g'damn platypus on a leash....

@MarkHenderson Hell I can get those here!

we have one living next to our oil tank fill actually

Pretty sure it's a she

Mark Henderson

I can send you a koala?

Chris S

I laugh at people from down south coming up here.. I used to work with a Jamaican a million years ago. He'd wear long sleeve shirts year round. If it dropped below 15C (which is over half the year) he'd wear a coat. I don't break out a real coat until ~7-10C

Mark Henderson

Or a kangaroo

We're culling koalas and kangaroos in certain areas

@ChrisS Fuck I'd be wearing a jumper at 15. Maybe not a coat, but a jumper certainly

Chris S

4:05 AM

Oh; a kangaroo sounds like fun.

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson A koala?!?

Chris S

What's a jumper?

voretaq7

^^ No Thanks!

Chris S

@voretaq7 He's like a gremlin, don't get him wet.

voretaq7

Fuckin thing looks like a pisses off Furby

Mark Henderson

4:06 AM

@ChrisS windcheater? I dunno, its a jumper

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Ah, windbreaker

Mark Henderson

I can send you kangaroo meat?

You can buy it at the local supermarket

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson now that's pretty awesome. All I can get here is bison and gator...

(mmm... gator.... eyes lizard)

Chris S

Gator makes pretty good cheesecake

Jumper (dress)

A jumper is a shoulder-to-thigh-length article of women's outer clothing that a woman "jumps into" as it is applied from the ankles up. It is typically sleeveless, collarless, and intended to be worn over a blouse, shirt or sweater. It resembles a dress analogue of "bib and brace" overalls. In British English, the term jumper describes what is called a sweater in American English. See also * Overall

I assumed you didn't mean that. But I wouldn't judge if that how you roll.

voretaq7

@ChrisS . . . ::edges away:: fuhhhhhhh-reak!

Mark Henderson

4:09 AM

It would appear that a "jumper" is a colloquialism; i never knew that: tripadvisor.com.au/…

Apparently a jumper is a sweater

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson Jumpers are the people standing on the ledge contemplating suicide.

Chris S

Ah. Yeah, if it's textiles it would be a sweater. A windbreaker is impermeable material

voretaq7

If they step back inside they're "pussies". If they step off and hit the street they're... um.... kinda splatted.

Chris S

@voretaq7 If you ever make it to New Orleans, go to Jacques-Imo's Cafe and get a slice of Alligator Cheesecake for desert. It's a bit pricey and it looks quaint, but the food is pretty epic.

voretaq7

@ChrisS but.... cheesecake is bleh?

and gator is yum....

and yum + bleh = bleh!

...AND NOW I WANT TASTY NOMS :'(

Chris S

4:18 AM

Hey, it's your loss, I"m not going to force you.

voretaq7

...I also want about 10 cats and a map of southeast asia.

Chris S

It's past midnight and we have to be to work (at least I do) in 8 hours... Time for some sleep.

voretaq7

yeah, I suppose I should go sleep

Mark Henderson

4:37 AM

Huh, trying to analyse about 500mb of IIS log files; talk about a memory leak:

Iain

6:21 AM

G'day

Mark Henderson

Hey

Shit, look at that. Home time.

(almost)

Chopper3

7:12 AM

hi

Bart De Vos

Morning all :)

Joel E Salas

Holy crap guys, I'm actually doing it

My web series is doing its first day of shooting on Saturday :D

Bart De Vos

7:32 AM

@JoelESalas Nice :)

FML, I have to activate 20+ servers by phone

Dan

Morning

Bart De Vos

ugh

I'm ready to end it...

Dan

@BartDeVos 0.o

@MarkHenderson Youch! And how awesome is RDCMan :D

Bart De Vos

@Dan Just for shits and giggles I'm calling other countries

the UK voic is nice

US not so much

Dan

I find the US accent quite hard work on the phone. No real issue in real life, though

DJ Pon3

7:44 AM

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/

More on that hack from yesterday. It's a shame he got hacked but now that its happened to a journalist then maybe we'll see some people acknowledge that web security is a house of cards

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Joel E Salas

@DJPon3 I'm trying to draw a tenuous line between the hubris of Mac users and poor security practices

DJ Pon3

While its amusing to do that, I think that plenty of other providers are equally shaky. Reading the wired article, it seems that Amazon were the first people to drop the ball on keeping his data private.

Joel E Salas

7:58 AM

@DJPon3 Uh, he was the first one to drop the ball. Account-to-account intimacy is a terrible idea

SmallClanger

8:08 AM

Morning.

DJ Pon3

@JoelESalas Well yes, clearly he's got issues too, and I'm not trying to make excuses for him. But its interesting that Amazon are leaking parts of his credit card number and that Apple consider parts of one's credit card number as validation of ID. Both vendors dropped the ball there.

We can say this is down to his stupidity... and we'd be right... but we know as people and as IT professionals that *people very often are stupid, or at least lazy*, so there's a need to protect people from themselves.

SmallClanger

@DJPon3 Do you get wearily fatalistic when you read articles like that?

Joel E Salas

@DJPon3 I don't trust any company with any of my information, to me it's always a ticking bomb

It's all a calculated risk, I don't have all of my eggs in any one basket. That's where he mis-stepped, I believe

DJ Pon3

@SmallClanger it is very tiring to keep banging the drum about this crap and seeing nothing change.

@JoelESalas "trust" is a very subjective thing. I don't "trust" people with anything, but as you say its a calculated risk... you have to decide how much you're prepared to relax things in order to get stuff done.

And the bit people have trouble with: You then need to live with the consequences of that choice, whether its taking ages to buy stuff at amazon because you won't let them save your details or whether its letting someone pull the rug out from under you feet, in terms of online security, because you valued convenience above all else.

Joel E Salas

@DJPon3 I think the Apple mentality of "It just works, let's hand-wave away the security implications" gives people bad habits. That's one of my major gripes with them from a professional standpoint, they make my life harder

DJ Pon3

8:13 AM

Yes it does. They really don't "get" security

Joel E Salas

@DJPon3 I'm sure they do, but they virtually guarantee that their users won't. Apple users don't care to deal with the security compromise you mentioned because Apple treats them like the exception to the computing rules.

Dan

@DJPon3 *give a shit about

SmallClanger

Identity verification is a customer service edge case, and edge cases cost money...

DJ Pon3

There's a good analogy that the daring fireball guy used once, to compare MS security and Apple security.

Something about how MS security is like living in a bunker that's constantly under attack, and where the defenders are used to this and have improved their construction and management techniques to keep the bunker secure

Where the Apple bunker is built in a place that's rarely attacked, which is nice and peaceful, but because of that its defenders are terribly green and inexperienced.

Joel E Salas

@DJPon3 At least this guy's noise and thunder is making people realize how foolhardy their practices are

DJ Pon3

8:17 AM

indeed. That's a good thing right

Joel E Salas

So, thanks to him for going public with his utterly embarrassing tale

I know I'd want to keep that as private as possible.

DJ Pon3

yeah, kudos to him for bring this up for discussion I say

DJ Pon3

8:42 AM

The more I use Royal TS the more I likes it

Cold T

i feel bad for the person who has to manage this serverfault.com/questions/70857/…

Dan

thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/…

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan "Mars supposedly has weapons of mass destruction and is also considered as a terrorist refugee, hence an invasion is justified"

in other news, researchers found Mars to be full of Oil

Dan

Mehe

pauska

8:59 AM

anyone here profient with freebsd routing?

Cold T

@Dan maybe that's what Aliens do, instead of sending themselves, they send their version of humaniod/robotics here lol

Chopper3

@Iain - could you have a word with serverfault.com/users/131120/arpith please, he's a new user, his edits are fucking pointless and his last question was bullshit

Don't know if anyone else saw the WOMEN'S shotputting last night but here's the winner; google.co.uk/… fuck me!

Dan

9:17 AM

@Chopper3 Hahaha, we were just chatting about this in the office

Chopper3

She looks like a henchman from The Sweeney

Dan

@Chopper3 I'll need to cleanse with some pics of Ennis

Chopper3

I don't find her remotely attractive, too young looking

Dan

@Chopper3 I'm young, it's all legit

And she's cute

Roomey

9:32 AM

can anyone recommend a MS reseller in London/UK? Need to get some MSSQL licences, and the supplier (our old one) did not give me give me much confidence as I was speaking to him on the phone

thanky

Cold T

@Roomey how about Misco?

Roomey

will give it a shot, usually try a few different suppliers anyway

reddit.com/r/sysadminjobs/comments/xg8zh/… savage

SmallClanger

@Roomey I get most of my MS through Misco (used to be Wstore before they were bought).

pauska

@Roomey the only thing missing there is "Be our web/sharepoint administrator"

Cold T

9:50 AM

we used Softcat previously, wow the amount of times they have screwed up was unbelievable and when we moved on, we reckon they tried dobbing us in as well to msft team!

Roomey

@SmallClanger @coldt Thanks, once I finally got through at least the guy new what he was talking about, even tried to save me money!

Cheers

@pauska yea but web/sharepoint administrator- in spppppppaaaaaaacccccceeeeee

SmallClanger

10:14 AM

Anyone else calling shenanigans on these: flickr.com/photos/80810385@N08/7629315630/in/pool-98378256@N00 youtube.com/watch?v=dKDIT3XryOY&feature=youtu.be

Iain

►

42:12 onwards SF gets a bit of a beating from the team

Dan

10:32 AM

Linux bitches - how do I a sort of Treesize type thing from the command line?

SmallClanger

|sort

Lucas Kauffman

10:49 AM

what moderator is BOFH?

I salute you sir!

Dan

@SmallClanger Ta, sorted in the end

ewwhite

I'm encountering the strangest bug in Microsoft Outlook for the Mac.

it may be worth posting to apple.SE...

lsiunsuex

whats the bug?

ewwhite

whenever I type the word I'll<space>, the window loses focus and I'll turns into I'Ll

lsiunsuex

cute

ewwhite

10:57 AM

I lose the cursor and have to click the window to regain focus.

lsiunsuex

type I'm and see what happens

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mac/forum/macoffice2011-macoutlook/…

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman me, a while back, presumably

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 what did you do?

Chopper3

I was horrible, all the time, to everyone...

SmallClanger

@ewwhite Is it seeing it as the start of some unicode multibyte thing and buggering you about?

Lucas Kauffman

11:03 AM

@Chopper3 but you're a cute little paddingtonbear :o

SmallClanger

Is it ok if you type: I''ll (two apostrophes)

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman yep, that's me

lsiunsuex

according to the article it may have to do with the new webkit and auto correct

ie: its been reported to MS

ewwhite

@lsiunsuex I'm breaks, too.. looks to only be in forwards and replies of text-based non-HTML mail

SmallClanger

I vaguely recall having a similar problem on a windows box that was caused by a weird keyboard codepage having been selected. Mostly latin with some weird extensions for funny foreign characters.

ewwhite

11:08 AM

Outlook does have a "Capitalize the first letter of the sentence" option, and that's the culprit here. Makes sense. For fast typists, though, it's possible to lose a lot if you don't notice the missed window focus.

lsiunsuex

so that worked?

ewwhite

I didn't change it yet. I mostly use HTML mail... I'll try quickly, though

Iain

@Chopper3 I've pretty much used those exact words t someone who was complaining about their questions being closed on meta

ewwhite

@lsiunsuex Yes, that worked.

@Roomey I may have to go for that SpaceX job.

lsiunsuex

i may not be the most experienced sys admin - but i know how to find an answer / debug a problem :)

weird bug though - never liked outlook for mac, always use apple mail

Chopper3

11:21 AM

@Iain ah - well, you're lovely, lovely and soft and nice, so don't worry

for. fucks. sake. serverfault.com/q/415026/1435

HopelessN00b

Oh, c'mon Chopper... he's learning as he goes! How can you ask for more than that?

Cold T

learning does involve mistakes after all

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 just relax chopper, it's not good for your heart to get all stressed out!

pauska

We can't expect everyone on the site to be experts

after all, the site lives by people asking questions :)

Cold T

even better! serverfault.com/questions/414973/…

HopelessN00b

11:32 AM

On a related note, my domain controller (we only have one) was running out of space, so I found this useless "SYSVOL" folder and deleted it, which worked great, but now users are having weird issues on the domain. Could the two things be related?

3

Cold T

@HopelessN00b i hope that was sarcasm :|

HopelessN00b

So they are related, then? How do I undelete the folder? :p

Cold T

you nearly gave me a heart attack lol

(until i saw your rep!)

HopelessN00b

Just trying to see if I can hear the noise when Chopper's head pops.

2

Cold T

i can actually imagine someone doing that! there must be a user on here that asked that question!

HopelessN00b

11:35 AM

Well, I think our last sysadmin did, actually... but that's neither here nor there... guess it's time for me to head in.

lsiunsuex

"i'm plugged into my wiresless, but i'm not plugged in, i'm wired" um... so your wireless or hard wired?

Cold T

hahah what the hell @lsiunsuex

Lucas Kauffman

say does anyone here know of a good brand of suitcases that can store a laptop and some papers? Since I need to work in suit I doubt the standard backpack will be considered professional :p

Cold T

@LucasKauffman how about samsonite

ewwhite

@LucasKauffman I like bags. So I have a rotation of 5 or 6 that I use for business.

lsiunsuex

11:44 AM

so this is weird - windows 8 - iseries access - our process is right click on the desktop, new, iseries access shortcut - and config it as we always do - creates a shortcut on the desktop. How do i pin that to the start menu?

ewwhite

@LucasKauffman What's your budget and style?

lsiunsuex

right click - pin to start menu isn't there...

Lucas Kauffman

@ewwhite something formal and discrete, thinking around 300 euro ?

ewwhite

@LucasKauffman What type of laptop?

Lucas Kauffman

standard dell 15 inch I think, still need to get it issued

ewwhite

11:49 AM