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9:00 AM
@JennyD Two cysts on her uterus - one ruptured so she has fluid in her abdomen
@Dan like what?
 
poor girl, that's really painful
 
yeah I feel really bad, she's in a lot of pain. :(
Tomorrow is her birthday.
 
bring her chocolate
 
Dan
@Cole Funny sleep paterns
@Cole And that sucks, dude :(
 
I will haha. I also noticed her pelvis is tilted so I think that has something to do with it too. She doesn't want to go to the chiropractor until the pain in stomach stops. I don't blame her.
@Dan Usually I'm super scheduled - but it's been a hectic 2-3 weeks
this is the weirdest fucking anime I've seen, but I can't stop watching lol
 
9:04 AM
@Cole She's right there, she needs to let the tissues heal first... and I am serious about dark chocolate, it really does help when the hormones are a bit out of whack as they will be right now. It's scientifically proven by several blogs i've read :-)
 
@JennyD I definitely will do then :)
Passed a technical phone screen yesterday, I guess they want me in right away for a face-to-face. It's a 8 month contract but the pay rate is high and it's for an enterprise company.
 
Dan
Good luck
 
@Cole good luck!
 
The woman who interviewed me laughed when I mentioned NT4, and apologized that I have to use Lotus Notes.
 
@Cole Sounds like a shell corporation from a James Bond movie.
 
9:10 AM
Haha
It's insurance
 
Sure it is.
 
Hey as long as they pay me, I'm ok with that
 
That works for me!
 
Gets me out of the hell I'm in now :)
 
@Cole Now that I've been at a place using Exchange/Outlook for a few weeks, I kind of miss Lotus Notes. It was easier to use.
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9:11 AM
D:
THEY'VE BRAIN WASHED YOU
 
@Cole I'm not saying that it's good, mind you. It's kind of a "taller than Mickey Rooney" contest - you can be very very short and still win...
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haha
 
and dammit I keep finding things that the previous consultant did that was just wrong... not wrong as in "non-functional" but as in "non-portable so you have to write separate scripts for each OS when there is already a perfectly usable portable way to do it"
 
O_O
 
like there's a script that's been around for ages that will set a password from stdin so it can be run in an install script. But he's been using "passwd --stdin" which only works in Linux, and there are still Solaris boxes around, so all his install scripts fail on those...
 
9:22 AM
Erg, have a 24-hr DR test tomorrow.
 
DR?
 
Which means restoring terabytes of data from tape.
Disaster Recovery.
 
Ah, of course.
Well, it does need to be tested. Backups that you don't test restores from are not backups, they are illusions...
 
Yeah we just did one 3 weeks ago
and 3 months before that
and 3 months before that too
Which is great - except it's so painfully slow
and that I need to get out of work at 4:30 to make it to Jenna's birthday dinner. I'm just really irritated with the rest of my team.
That's why I hope I get this contract job, I'm ready to say "fuck this, I'm out."
 
Dan
Someone broke the LAN 20 mins ago - getting rapidly bored and impatient
 
9:34 AM
o_O
 
Dan
@Cole It's not a live site, but I do need to carry on working!
 
9:46 AM
My Xen Windows Server 2008 R2 VM stuck at System Recovery Options. Any idea how fix this?
 
@Achu just keep rebooting it
 
 
@Achu Who's hosting the server?
 
I did. It's on my own machine
 
did you see the info in the top right corner of this chat room?
 
9:49 AM
Don't use Xen. Don't know anyone here that does. You'd be better off asking a question on the main site.
 
@Iain i did a 3rd time but didn't help :(
 
@tombull89 is it a xen issue - looks like windows to me but IDK I don't use it either
@Achu actually it won't
 
@Iain My Xen Windows Server 2008 R2 VM
 
Yeah it's xen VM
@tombull89 So, Windows is useless on xen?
 
@Achu I doubt it really matters - no one here atm appears to be able to help
 
9:53 AM
3 mins ago, by tombull89
Don't use Xen. Don't know anyone here that does. You'd be better off asking a question on the main site.
 
Ok Thanks guys!
 
I thought it was supported though.
 
Dan
@Achu Did it ever work? Looks like your install is corrupt to me, rather than it being a hypervisor issue
 
It worked before this happened coz of power failure.
 
Sounds like the host didn't shut the guest VM down properly.
 
9:56 AM
Ya that's my guess
 
Boot from the install disk, see if you can do a repair install.
 
Boot from windows ios(Since it's vm ;), ya ok. but how can i follow the progress through VNC?
 
10:26 AM
So, a horse walks in to a bar..
 
and the barman says "why the long face?". The Horse looks at him, poops on the floor, then walks out.
 
LOL
 
11:00 AM
Create a temporary user with key and give to your admin ,once the admin work is done disable the user. — Abhishek Anand Amralkar 2 hours ago
@AbhishekAnandAmralkar Could you point me to a tutorial or something on how to do what you describe? — Jonathan Thurft 2 hours ago
srs?
 
@tombull89 yeah
:(
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In other news, the US government shuts down because of bickering children in Congress.
 
Dan
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Q: windows 2000 boot entry for floppy

GuntisIs there a way to create boot entry in windows 2000 boot menu to boot from floppy disk? Problem is that, that bios is protected with password and i cannot change boot order entries. I cannot open "PC" case, because it is cash register and protected with seal. I need to reprogram cash register key...

 
11:21 AM
@NathanC Yeah, I read about that ealier and wondered "how the hell does a government shut down?"
 
@Jacob you bought an OCZ Vertex SSD recently didn't you?
 
@MathiasR.Jessen I've got one
 
@Iain Is it as sweet as the benchmarks suggest? Or should I be overwhelmed by fear of their error margin?
 
@Dan hmm, I'm almost tempted to see if I can get that working ... ;p
 
@MathiasR.Jessen Mine is a vertex2 and it boots windows 7 to useable in 15 seconds, other than that it just works really.
The only trouble I ever had was the previous one died when I rebooted to install W7 updates but it was replaced under warranty
 
Dan
11:27 AM
@JourneymanGeek Pretty sure boot.ini doesn't support that kind of media
 
@Dan: get it to boot a bootloader that boots a floppy.
 
Dan
@JourneymanGeek Can you be that specific with it?
 
@Dan: I THINK so
I have an idea, I have a VM, it shouldn't take too long to try it out
 
Dan
@JourneymanGeek I thought it just pointed at the Windows folder. I suppose you could figure out what it actually loads - but this is just too pointless for me to think about any longer!
 
11:30 AM
"Oops. The Marketplace could not verify your email." Smooth code the government has.
 
@Dan: I THINK I can install smart boot manager, which should boot off a floppy
tho. eww. IE 6
 
And the website's overloaded. Lulz
 
and... IE 6 crashed
baka.
 
@Iain That's about the same with my current Intel ssd
 
done
heh, that was pretty easy
flagged for migration
 
11:59 AM
@Dan installed plop, selected plop from the bootloader, selected floppy from plop, and its done ;p
not a very elegant solution but meh, its a damned floppy
done ^^
 
Dan
You should be ashamed
 
Brand new server install configured the same exact way as all my other VMs...and it can't reach the internet.
Pinging google.com [173.194.43.35] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.9.59: Destination host unreachable.
Reply from 192.168.9.59: Destination host unreachable.
 
Double check your settings?
/make sure the vNIC is on the right network & enabled?
 
@Cole I can reach any local resources ...I'm in via RDP to the server, and I can ping the gateway.
So weird.
 
done broke it
 
12:13 PM
Troubleshooter is as helpful as never
 
Dan
If you can ping the gateway then it's a routing issue somewhere
 
can you ping the gateway after the gateway? :)
 
Giving it another reboot...
All I want to do is get it updated and such so I can sysprep it
for some odd reason it has 0.0.0.0 as a default gateway, along with the one i set
 
we're making the final DNS changes for the health insurance exchange go-live...
gulp
 
12:24 PM
@ewwhite Make sure to set your TTL to 15s.
 
@ewwhite It's okay, my state uses the federal system and the site is unusable.
Entered all my info, got a confirmation email ...says it couldn't verify my email so I have to do the entire process over again.
 
Dan
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Q: How do I change a third party service password without stopping my service that depends on that service?

sharptoothHere's my scenario: I have a service that has to run 24/7 and depends on a third party service that has a password. I need to have that password changed. If I blindly change the password my service no longer works because it will continue using the old password until reconfigured. No matter how ...

 
fuck that...i have insurance through my employer so unless they drop it I'm not bothering lol
 
Dan
Do you guys rotate service passwords? I never do
 
No, but we change the domain administrator passwords every 60 days >.>
 
12:26 PM
@NathanC Tell me about it. We're big enough to be self-insured.
 
Which is stupid as fuck
Erg lame, this recruiting agency doesn't offer insurance.
 
Dan
I thought you wouldn't need it now?
 
We still need insurance.
At least I do.
 
I really don't need it, but I also don't want to give free money to the government
so i'll pay pre-tax out of my paycheck and let it go :P
 
Dan
You Americans really do see the world differently I think :D
 
12:30 PM
I could probably get Mass Health. (Romneycare)
 
Dan
I just find the concept odd to be honest
Are you guys really completely anti a system like we have in the UK?
 
@NathanC Working the LOPSA booth at a local event a few weeks ago I was asked about the health care and then was on the receiving end of a rant from some guy who's bent because ACA is resulting in all the good insurance companies pulling out of SC.
@NathanC Dude also said how proud he was of his state that they blocked lots of ACA related things as well.
@Dan They are odd. I'm all for a system that works and doesn't bankrupt people no matter where it comes from.
 
Dan
@ScottPack Don't get me wrong - our system is far from perfect, but ultimately I know that if I have a problem I can go to any hospital and get it sorted out for the most part.
 
@Dan and if you want to pay extra and go private, you can.
 
@Dan No system will be perfect. My only questions are 1) Does it work? 2) Does it bankrupt people? If you can tell me no to both of those then we're probably good.
 
12:36 PM
All I know is, I just need health insurance. I don't care how I get it
 
Dan
@ScottPack It does work, and no because it's 99.9999999999% free! We do have pay for prescriptions but nearly every vulnerable group gets pills dirt cheap. You don't have to pay while you're in hospital, either
 
@Cole What you really need is health care. Insurance is just the inane way we go about providing it.
 
Dan
@Cole The point I'm making is that I don't have any health insurance whatsoever, and neither to most people in the UK :)
 
True.
 
@ScottPack it's ONE HOUR!!
 
12:37 PM
@ewwhite Pussy.
 
@ScottPack one of the main domains is with Yahoo or something... and they didn't have the ability to lower TTL.
 
I haven't checked the regulations on the government healthcare for trans* related things. A lot of private insurance providers have that coverage built in.
 
@ewwhite Yahoo provides DNS services?
 
@ScottPack web hosting
 
So on the way out the door this morning my wife gave me a concerned face and said I need to be around people. She's worried about me being home alone all day. I suppose I should take myself to the park to get socialized.
@ewwhite I'm less surprised by that, but still slightly.
 
Dan
12:39 PM
@ScottPack Just leave the raincoat and DSLR at home, buddy
 
@Dan I kind of felt like a pet.
 
Dan
@ScottPack :D
 
@ScottPack: as long as you don't growl and attack random people on the street, its ok
 
Dan
I'm working on a domain called 'AD' :(
 
@Dan UK healthcare may be just about free, but you actually do pay for it...yay VAT!
 
12:44 PM
@Dan Before we moved to this school, the domain was called domain.local. Because the person that set it up saw the prompt to call the network domain.local and then did so.
 
@tombull89 Because our domain is a .local, vCenter complains it's not a FQDN and won't let me use AD integration :(
but it's been a .local since 2002 when we split from another company lol
 
Dan
@NathanC It's even (partially) more transparent than that - it's called "National Insurance" and is part of taxes on earning. But yes, our taxes are far higher in general than yours - but nothing is free
 
@NathanC no, it would be National Insurance
 
@Dan Ah.
 
but in reality they all go into the general taxation pot
 
12:46 PM
@Dan Are they really higher? I did a back of the envelope once and thought that yours were lower by a little. It was real rough so I could totally have screwed things up.
 
I think VAT is like...23% or something crazy
 
Dan
@NathanC 20% right now - the big difference over here, though, is that nearly everything marketed towards the consumer (So anything non-commercial, basically) is priced inclusive of VAT
 
@NathanC 20% on most things, 5% on gas/elec and 0% on food/childrens clothing
 
I also remember not being charge VAT on lots of things.
There you go, food was the big example that I was thinking of.
 
Dan
@ScottPack Not sure - to be honest, it was just common wisdom.
@ScottPack It's not 0% on all food, I don't think
 
12:48 PM
@Dan I wish things here were priced with taxes inclusive
 
@Dan It has been my experience that common wisdom is generally neither.
 
Our state tax is going up... 5% -> 8% general goods, 7% -> 8% prepared food, etc
 
@Dan it's 0% on food you buy at shops but if you buy it at a takaway/cafe/etc then it's 20%
 
Dan
@Iain Ah yeah, hot food and the like. Aren't "unhealthy" foods like crisps and stuff VAT liable?
 
dunno; aren't they prepared ?
 
Dan
12:50 PM
@ScottPack Very true, though I'd find it hard to believe your average person here pays less tax than the average person in the USA. Difficult to compare, though - and of course, define average etc etc
 
@Dan Oh sure, it's all hand wavium. About the best we could do is get specific and try to determine what my tax liability my salary would result in.
 
So I switched this server back to DHCP, and it's still getting a default gateway of 0.0.0.0 and the current one.
 
Dan
@ScottPack But straight away there's an issue because as discussed before here, US and UK wages are miles apart!
 
So, no internet access :/
 
Dan
@NathanC I'm not with you on the default gateway being 0.0.0.0
You mean in the routing table (route print) or in the network connection status window / ipconfig
 
12:52 PM
@Dan I don't know about yours but our federal income taxation is pretty busted. You pay *X*% up until $D, then Y% on the amount from $D up to $E, etc
 
@Dan ipconfig
 
Dan
@ScottPack That sounds similar to ours actually
 
@Dan Indeed. At one time I was looking at schools over there for IT jobs. It seemed like a SysAdmin position was paying the equivalent of unskilled labor over here.
 
I uninstalled/reinstalled the network adapter and it cleared up. How odd.
 
@ScottPack yeah - teachers get paid more than me. This school I'm term-time only so while I get the holidays off I get paid less because of it.
 
Dan
12:57 PM
@ScottPack Put it this way, you're doing reasonably well if you're earning 30 - 40k GDP (49k - 65k USD). Above 50k (80,000 USD) and you're well and truly in the "high earner" category to most people. Though schools are a bad example because they pay service staff terribly
 
@Dan reasonably? The network manager at the school where I did my appreticeship was £23k, full time.
 
@Dan That sounds pretty close to my experience with salaries here.
 
Dan
@tombull89 I didn't mean in education, or even in IT - just in general perceptions
 
C'mon Serverfault, show me a question that I want to answer...
 
@Dan Excellent example is my mother. She was a k12 teacher (public school) that retired with 35 years experience and a terminal degree. At the end she was the second highest paid person in the school district (behind the superintendent). She was even making more than the principals she worked for. She retired at 45k (27GDP).
 
1:00 PM
hm, now the WSUS GPO I have set up won't work...
 
Dan
@ScottPack Wow, that's a lot lower than I'd have thought - though I gather you guys generally don't pay teachers well? Maybe IT work is just paid highly over there and that's created my confusio
 
Oh boy...
 
@Dan We pay teachers like garbage. Also, some places in IT pay amounts to shame others.
 
What's a GDP? I thought Brits used GBP.
 
Dan
1:02 PM
@ScottPack Complex! I expect you have huge variations country wide, too - we have big devides and we're tiny
@ChrisS We do - typo / confusion
 
ah
 
Dan
They sound almost the same!
 
I took me a minute to even notice, especially after contrasting it with USD.
 
@Dan Not too long ago I saw a job posting for a Security Analyst position at New York University. Good job, focused on incident response, forensics, and advising the SysAdmins on security matters. The pay was about $55k (33GBP). Considering the cost of living in that city I was pretty appalled.
 
Dan
@ScottPack Yeah, it's kind of the same in London. It is weighted for higher wages down there in general, but even so, they don't come near to meeting the increased cost of living
I miss NYC after visiting though - you have an awesome city right there
 
1:06 PM
@Dan That's also what an Admin (not junior or senior) would expect to make here in the rural Midwest.
 
Numbers are per-week... But the shape of the graph is a quick and interesting contrast
 
Dan
Indeed - more of a bell curve concept
 
Anyone else getting a malware advert loading thregister.co.uk?
Ah I see, it was typo'd
Nevermind.
 
Dan
Yes, due to the dodgy URL :(
 
Close code "User"
 
1:15 PM
I'm trying to make an effort to vote more just for the sake of voting more.
 
I vote, and try to get some sort of sense for what I'm voting for as well... Not that I matter, since my informed voting is absolutely drowned out by the million of uninformed, opinionated idiots who make it to the polls every election.
 
1:39 PM
Hurray, WSUS is bork
Wtf...okay. Login failed for user 'NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE'. [CLIENT: <named pipe>]
So, it can't log itself onto its own SQL instance...
 
Dan
Doesn't seem ideal
 
Product: Windows Server Update Services 3.0 SP2 -- Removal failed. ...oh goodie.
 
I screwed up on this vote and retracted it...someone want to vote close it as a licensing dupe? serverfault.com/questions/542904/…
 
@TheCleaner done
 
Thank you. I had voted it as shopping...still half asleep.
 
1:55 PM
and I'm off to a meeting and then home. See you tomorrow.
 
later!
 
Windows 8 has this setting in the BIOS that the new ultrabooks come out with, so that windows8 can be in a sleep state when the user switches the machine off. this setting makes the BIOS ignore other boot devices/OSs when starting up and merely brings windows8 out of its sleep state so that it seems that it's starting up quicker — pythonian29033 28 mins ago
what the fuck is this guy talking about?
 
@MDMarra: I'd guess smartboot, and hybrid sleep
 
@NathanC are you using an actual SQL instance for it, or WID?
 
you don't actually shut down windows 8 when you shut it down, you put it partially to sleep unless you reboot.
 
2:02 PM
@JourneymanGeek neither of those prevent Linux from being installed
 
@MDMarra: no, user obviously is confused
also
" I'm a php developer" explains it all
 
@MDMarra he's probably just confused about the secure boot functions in UEFI.
 
Dan
He's a developer, he'll be confused all the time about everything
 
@MDMarra why did you even respond to the first comment by him?
 
So we went live. Who here is in Massachusetts and wants to test?
 
Dan
2:07 PM
I'm not and I don't.
 
@ewwhite werd
What do you need me to test
 
@pauska :) his response should have been "yes...yes it is impossible for a php dev."
 
Hah. Well, responsiveness. And all of that good stuff @cole
 
@pauska Good question
 
Actually, I don't care :) load balancers should handle this.
 
2:11 PM
lol alright
 
@MDMarra WID
It's completely fucked
 
weird
 
I can't uninstall it either...unhelpful "it failed, lololol"
 
I want a tiny house.
 
2:15 PM
@ScottPack yes!
My apartment I guess is considered a "tiny house" lol It's 560 sqft.
 
Do'h...I downloaded the 32-bit instead of 64-bit version of a service pack
 
@Cole Move to China?
 
apparently the 2k3 server is still SP1...
 
@TheCleaner no way
 
@TheCleaner Can't get a passport with the federal government having its head where the sun doesn't shine
 
2:25 PM
hah...true. @Cole - I would do it in a heartbeat if I were young and single. I've been there quite a bit on business, building up new datacenters for factories, and I loved it over there in Shanghai and Hangzhou. You can live like a king on even modest "Western salary". I had a buddy that I worked with that decided to move over there. He lives in a nice gated community, has a live in maid/cook/masseuse from the Phillipines, and puts almost 1/3 of his salary into his company's 401k.
 
@NathanC kill it
 
@TheCleaner I wouldn't want to live there personally. I'd be miserable.
Thursday is my on-site interview for this contract job. Fingers crossed.
 
It takes some getting used to the lack of social skills and smog...and things like central a/c and having ice in your drink, but it's a cool experience. (not trying to sell you though...completely understand)
@ewwhite - new HP array question for ya.
 
I'd like to move to Seattle. Girlfriend has horrible seasonal depression so I don't think it will happen if we stay together.
 
@MDMarra If I can't fix WSUS then it's probably going to be stripped and have a minimum install of some OS for iSCSI...it has enterprise-grade drives in it but the hardware itself is dated.
 
2:30 PM
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Q: Dell PowerEdge 750 (Wake-On-Lan)

TuxHow do I make (WOL) Wake-On-Lan work ? I've tried everything now, all I see is green blinking power light when server is off. There is no additional options for "Wake On Lan" or power state. Any ideas ? Does this Dell PowerEdge 750 support WOL at all ?

I want to answer with "you have to double clap...not single clap, to have it turn on"
 
corrupt download
?
 
Yeah, seen that before, corrupted download
 
@MDMarra Nope, downloaded again and same message.
 
if you downloaded it again on the same machine it was probably cached, no?
 
2:38 PM
^that
 
Did you verify the hash?
 
did you clear out any local or proxy cache before DLing it again
 
hm, i didn't verify the hash...time to look
@RobM No proxy
Using a different machine to download it...
 
DID YOU TURN IT OFF AND ON AGAIN
DONT SAY YES, I KNOW YOU'RE LYING!
 
I AM NEVER TURNED OFF
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2:46 PM
Sophos Safeguard!!! <Shakes fist in the air>
 
If I turn it off a hammer may get involved
 
much like your sock @pauska
 
@NathanC I'm more impressed with the hardcore 1GB of RAM on an x64 box.
 
@TheCleaner Inorite? It used to have 4 GB but we pulled some of the RAM to put into a different server
since the sticks are like $110/GB
 
Dan
@TheCleaner Or the fact that someone out there was daft enough to go x64 on 2003
@NathanC Ah
 
2:47 PM
and seeing how this server is old...not worth the expense :P
 
Watch the low blows... :)
 
It's just being used for WSUS and that's it, so it works...when it feels like it :)
 
heh
 
oh hey, the download worked finally.
 
we've got a few 2003 servers we want to get taken out and shot. and some 2008 non r2
 
2:49 PM
Maybe next year.
...maybe.
 
Dan
@RobM It's taken us until, well, 2 months ago - to pursuade one of our big clients to start letting us install R2 for Citrix App servers
 
Weekend getaway coming up for our anniversary...I used to envy those people that traveled on company points everywhere for free..now I'm one of them (on a much smaller scale, just spent almost all the points I had!). My problem is I'm too research intensive. My wife hates the amount of tripadvisor/etc. reviews I'll read before agreeing to something.
 
I've got a 2003 around still - application requires it. Also have a 2008 machine still, running WSUS... needs to be upgraded when I have the attention span.
 
yeah, this box won't run 2008r2 so
not on 1 GB of RAM anyway
 
Dan
@TheCleaner Tripadvisor is a great tool - but I also spend a lot of time wondering what he hell is wrong with people
 
2:51 PM
Besides, I'd like to get this WSUS server up again because apparently it's been not working for a month now
...oops.
 
@pauska I always installed a little uptime app on my old Win98 installs back in the day. I loved having users roll over that after they'd said that they'd rebooted.
 
I go with the mob mentality. If 85% or more like the place I'll stay there or go there...if it is more like 50/50...no way.
 
we had Exchange 2007 on Windows 2003 64-bit, as well as some sharepoint 2007 servers. Exchange was moved to new boxes on 2012 server and exchange 2013 over the summer and we're part way through moving off sharepoint 2007.
 
Dan
@TheCleaner Pretty much the same - as long as the bars are weighted nicely for the top 2 stars I'll take the punt
 

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