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9:24 AM

The arrogant sysadmin-not-a-coder is getting on my tits. serverfault.com/questions/537324/…

Mathias R. Jessen

@TomO'Connor He's off the rails (pun not intended) - a sysadmin who knows nothing about coding is no sysadmin at all

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@MathiasR.Jessen Bwaha.

I think i was more insulted by him having a) read my CV, and b) said I was a coder.

I'm a fucking DevOps engineer.

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he's a fucking neckbeard.

Don't cry, @TomO'Connor

Mathias R. Jessen

I would be too, and his overly arrogant tone is not helping I take it... You could respond with "Based on your profile, your old and tired - I would be afraid too"

maybe he's missing an l from his name?

9:40 AM

Moo

Love neckbeard baiting :D

@TomO'Connor I'm _not_ a devops person, I'm pretty much a died-in-the-wool operations kinda person but even I am prepared to dig into code when I have to, and I've even earned a living as a coder in the past.

I can understand not enjoying working with code - I don't which is why I'm operations/sysadmin instead of a coder - but I can't imagine being a sysadmin who can't even look at code any more than I could imagine being an efficient developer with no idea of how the boxes my code would be running on work.

Journeyman Geek

@RobM: you wouldn't need to be able to code to do this either, I'd think?

@JourneymanGeek yeah exactly, you don't need to be that great at writing code to understand what reasonably well written code is trying to do.

You should read some of mine :D

Journeyman Geek

@RobM: he's basically in effect testing his backups (by getting a duplicate test system up) and trying to break it

;p

so.. more ops than dev

9:49 AM

exactly. Try it and see. See where it breaks. Dig in if you have to.

its not exactly rocket science

10:03 AM

"time for bed you little shit" i.imgur.com/pgwzioP.gif

@DanilaLadner Its basically how I put my kids to bed each day.

yeah, me too.

Best thing my youngest son has said to me all week at bed time "I don't like it being dark, it's like it makes me go to sleep!

heh,

10:26 AM

hehe

11:02 AM

Who does the SMART status monitoring in a DAS system? The backplane? The SAS controller? The OS/raid controller?

@RobM snap

@pauska RAID controller most likely.

11:57 AM

@pauska Depends... what enclosure?

you have SES (SCSI enclosure services) and the controller... If connected to an HBA, the enclosure can help. If on a RAID controller, the RAID controller can help/

12:08 PM

@ewwhite this is the ghetto stuff.. the enclosures from the old emc san

got drowned in "bad block" events on the windows server, and it shows the disks as failed.. but no leds are enabled on the enclosures

so I guess EMC made their own little protocol for that

@pauska What controller?

or HBA

lsi sas something

"LSI Adapter, SAS 3000 series, 8-port with 1068E"

lsi should be able to handle smart

The protocol is:

SCSI Enclosure Services

Most recent SCSI enclosure products support a protocol called SCSI Enclosure Services (SES). The initiator can communicate with the enclosure using a specialised set of SCSI commands to access power, cooling, and other non-data characteristics. SES devices There are two major classes of SES devices: *Attached enclosure services devices allow SES communication through a logical unit within one SCSI disk drive located in the enclosure. The disk-drive then communicates with the enclosure by some other method, the only commonly used one being Enclosure Services Interface (ESI). In fault...

the built-in smart counters in windows are showing weird values

-83655315314 in read errors etc

12:11 PM

and most SAS JBODs support it... the key is how can you read the sensors.

tried using SpeedFan, which polls all smart values, and they come up as unknown etc

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Q: Windows backup solution based on file created time

I would like know if it is possible to backup files and folders created after 2012 for example

I hate lazy questions - I'm so tempted to reply with "Yeah, it probably is"

Is this terrible?

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Q: How to delete old linux partition with ESXI?

I'm stuck with my ESXI deployment and I have no idea how to move forward with this. I have one of my server with Software Raid that used to be partitioned in Linux 6.2. 2 Sata drives partition in Raid 10 using Linux. Now I have ESXI 5.1 installed on a USB drive. When I tried to create the datas...

linux vmware-esxi format

2 disks in raid 10?

@ewwhite seems like these doesn't support it.. found a powershell snipplet to enable diagnostic leds but I get "not supported" in return

12:22 PM

@DanilaLadner is that not RAID1

wat

yeah, it cannot be otherwise

HP classes 2 disks in RAID1 as RAID1+0

some implementations does pure RAID1, which means that you read from one disk.. others do 1+0 even with two disks, so that you stripe reads.. or am I wrong?

@pauska bummer

I thought most proper RAID1 implementations read from two disks?

12:26 PM

HP says RAID1 for two disks and RAID1+0 for more than two.

@ewwhite Not on the stuff I've seen recently

how can you stripe and mirror on 2 disks?

   ctrl slot=1 create type=ld drives=1:1,1:2,1:3,1:5 raid=1+0 stripsize=?
   ctrl slot=1 create type=ld drives=1:1,1:2 raid=1 size=?

new technology?

the hp controller knows the difference.

12:27 PM

@DanilaLadner Stripe read, not wrtie

oh i see.

slipsum.com - Samuel L. Jackson Text Generator.

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but the options on the controllers are: [raid=0|1|1adm|1+0|1+0adm|5|50|6|60|?]

I don't follow the linuxy shit I'm just going off the Systems Management stuff

sup, folks?

12:29 PM

where RAID 1adm is triple mirroring

@MDMarra tough day ahead

@pauska you use Win8 with multiple monitors, right?

@ewwhite why

@MDMarra ya

@pauska I just discovered win+pageup/pagedown

@MDMarra that doesn't do anything here

are you on 8.1?

Nor here

12:30 PM

it changes which screen the start screen appears on

I'm not on 8.1 yet, as Enterprise isn't out

oh dude

nice

@MDMarra I have a client who needs a client VPN configured for the Windows 8 laptop his boss bought. I have Cisco and Sonicwall devices.

@ewwhite shouldn't be a problem

Sonicwall's VPN software doesn't support Win 8

I have anyconnect and the "classic" client both on my win8 laptop

Oh, well sonicwall is trash

12:31 PM

and Cisco's IPsec client doesn't work...

so I need to dig and get an anyconnect that will work

and configure it

@tombull89 slipsum.lite LOL

IPSec works for me, man

I have three different profiles on it for three different clients that all work fine

@MDMarra tried on a coworker who has 8.1

he said that the start menu used to appear on whatever monitor he had active (with the mouse pointer)

and that I now broke it after testing the keycombo on his pc

:(

Oh, hm

@MDMarra which client version?

12:33 PM

Haha

@ewwhite I can check in a minute

its 5.something

I'm currently on my iPad in the...uh...next room over

too much info...

💩

empty square UNICODE :(

fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/browsertest.htm

lol

turdnicode

12:40 PM

user image

works fine, right?

no problems yet

It's been there since March

the latest anyconnect also supports win8

his clients don't use silly things like SSL VPNs

THey have SOnicwall SSL VPn

on a dedicated appliance.

I'm moving away from it.

12:44 PM

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Q: Windows backup solution based on file created time

I would like know if it is possible to backup files and folders created after 2012 for example

Their ASA has perfectly fine IPsec... only 2 SSL VPN licenses

please kill it with napalm

@dawud I see your shit, and raise it with

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Q: 11s delay between openings web pages on local server

I've got a problem. When I'm trying to load local web page, that is on server, on ubuntu 12.04 - I'm getting 11sec delay, before page opens. Ping to the server <1ms There are no errors, or something unusual in log files... Tried different browsers - same everywere... Is anybody have any ideas...

ubuntu-12.04 local delay

you win

only because of the PNG

yeah, I need to get anyconnect running

ugh

12:46 PM

@ewwhite why not configure the ASA to allow connections from the built-in windows IPsec client?

Then you don't need to fiddle with old clients and OS compatibility

@MDMarra Because I don't want to support Windows.

heh

My mac users are fine. It's all built-in.

@MDMarra Do I have to do all of this? linkedin.com/groups/…

I didn't do any of that shit

I installed the client and imported the pcfs

really thanks ewwhite, - so i have to replace the RAID card ? is there any RAID card HP branded can show up unassigned drives ? i'm realy feel sad for the servers — A.G 21 mins ago

I feel sad for the servers, too.

12:49 PM

Cisco sucks lately

Webex breaks on IE 10, no IPsec client support for 8

and 8.1/IE11 is around the corner

Last I looked, their tool to convert autonomous APs to lightweight is XP only

@MDMarra I have to say, anyconnect works really good

yeah, it does

Are you both saying I need to man-up and configure anyconnect on the ASA?

Just do Direct Access!

??

12:57 PM

@MDMarra Awesome if you've already got Windows Enterprise clients

@ewwhite persistent vpn built into windows that leverages ipv6

nice.

I wish I worked with people and clients who did that stuff.

2012 even has a 6-4 edge role, so you don't need to learn anything new!

@ewwhite I don't have any clients doing that yet, actually

2008 R2 needed full IPv6 which is ridiculous to expect

2012 introduced a 6-to-4 edge server role to handle that

but we're a cisco partner too, so we sell ASA/anyconnect or dedicated VPN concentrators

:(

@ewwhite bah, I don't know which disks to pull out :(

can you do the DD test?

oh, windows :(

1:04 PM

windows puts the disk as offline, so there is no way to access it

@pauska what happened?

You lose a disk in a storage space and can't tell which one it is?

I know my manager is going to push back even though IBM has confirmed that Directory Assistance uses the objectClass attribute.

morning

@Basil sup

1 hour ago, by pauska

@ewwhite this is the ghetto stuff.. the enclosures from the old emc san

(and downwards)

1:31 PM

OK, thanks. See if they can offer any more assistance on the searches until we get upgraded.

I knew it.

Blah, morning all. Another round of layoffs today. :/

:(

@MDMarra Delivering a download downstream?

Afternoons

I'd really like to use Chef of Puppet at my work - but since they cost $$ - not happening :(

1:43 PM

My new Haswell CPU idles at like 45-50C while sitting in the BIOS. :( I know idle temps in the BIOS tend to be a little hotter than when booted into the OS but, shit. :(

@Cole aren't they opensource?

@pauska so you have DAEs from EMC boxes plugged directly into windows servers?

awesome

@Cole Puppet community does plenty. I mean, the enterprise features sound great, but I don't know anyone using it.

@DanilaLadner cost money once you get up to 5-10+ nodes

puppet?

1:51 PM

No... that's for the enterprise trial. "Download Puppet Enterprise free now and manage up to 10 nodes."

You can use the open source version and get everything you really need. docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/puppetlabs_package_repositories.html

@AaronCopley The biggest difference is that if you want to hire Puppet Labs to do work for you or develop modules, they will ONLY do so if you have Enterprise. But there's lots of things out there.

@AaronCopley they won't use anything here that doesn't have "paid support"

@Cole Pay us for support :D

I wish.

I may just DL the VM and teach myself.

At least I can be familiar with it.

@Cole Uhhh.... Well, maybe you can develop a test environment with the open version to build your business case.

1:55 PM

They don't see a reason why we should automate anything.

@Cole also chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/10464/puppet-advice

And we're 80% - 85% Windows anyways

@Cole baaahhhhhh.... What distro are you running?

@AaronCopley handful of RHEL 6 and Solaris 10

We only do a refresh every 5-6 years of the Solaris SPARC boxes.

and the RHEL servers we have are for Domino.

So those don't get touched.

Mostly Windows builds.

Got it.

If there's not a big Linux infrastructure I can see why it would be a hard sell.

1:58 PM

@AaronCopley there should be - but they put everything on Windows even if the recommended route is Linux

@Cole Ruby on Rails on Windows, eh?

Yeah that's why I'm kinda ehh

Best you can use is Kickstart (Not sure what the Solaris equivalent is.) to at least start life cycle consistently and script any change via SSH. I am still learning Puppet before actually rolling it out. So, that's all we do for now.

Guess I'll throw that idea out the Window as well.

@Cole I'm going to give you a link @ewwhite posted the other day: indeed.com.

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