The Comms Room

6:00 PM

@HopelessN00b "donate" the work to the FreeBSD foundation and write off whatever your normal hourly rate is on your taxes

('s what I do as a ports maintainer actually)

Chris S

@voretaq7 I'll pretend I didn't hear that as you're not allowed to write-off your own time, creations, or anything that didn't directly cost you money to contribute.

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 I... actually don't hate that idea. What's the limit on that, by the way? Like, could I perhaps write off 80% of my income that way, and pay no taxes?

Fuck.

@ChrisS What about creating a shell corporation for myself?

Chris S

@HopelessN00b I'm not sure I follow...

voretaq7

@ChrisS "creative" (but still legal) accounting that you can get away with as a business if you're not too blatant about it -- I can write off the time my employees (me) spend on such projects. The catch is I have to actually pay myself.

Chris S

@voretaq7 Eh, no, that's still not deductible.

HopelessN00b

6:09 PM

@ChrisS Yeah, what voretaq said.

voretaq7

(alternate creative accounting which may be more advantageous: If you work on stuff your company uses you can write off pro-rata usage of equipment as it's "work related expenses", but most of us are already doing that)

Chris S

Until you start getting a 3rd party involved somewhere, you can't deduct anything for your source code/software contributions.

voretaq7

@ChrisS the nice young lady who does my corp taxes disagrees, and as she'd be paying the penalties (and the tax liability is minimal) I'll go with her interpretation :-)

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Well, yeah, I don't think I've bought any electronic anything in the past 10 years that hasn't been a tax deduction.

SmallClanger

Visible IT: Was just mumbling to myself about various frustrations I'd had today when one of our new starters came over and said that his IT setup had been an 'absolute dream' and so much better than anywhere else he's worked previously. Almost made me cry...

Chris S

6:11 PM

@voretaq7 I virtually guarantee she had you sign something indemnifying her for any financial penalties.

voretaq7

@ChrisS that's correct - you can't deduct work-product time (writing code, etc.)

@ChrisS I absolutely guarantee I did not (unlike most people I actually read the things I sign) - I'm responsible for any misrepresentations I make, which is pretty standard, but if she botches the legal/tax code end of it the IRS penalties land in her lap

HopelessN00b

Say, is ground-breaking advancements in sucking an appropriate phrase for a tag-wiki, or do I need to come up with a different way to describe Metro UI?

voretaq7

(of course if her company can't pay the IRS will certainly come to me looking for their money in addition to any back tax due)

Chris S

@voretaq7 Fair enough...

@HopelessN00b Yep, that's accurate.

voretaq7

@ChrisS I'm also sure she has a good justification for anything she pulls out of the corp's bottom line - and in any case while it's not a 100% ironclad liability shield I'd be happy to have the government take my ... I think its 6 years old now ... server away :)

@HopelessN00b @ChrisS I would call it "A revolution in suck" personally

"Never before has software sucked so hard..." oh wait, Windows Vista

Chris S

6:18 PM

@voretaq7 Who's taking what now??

Vista was worse than Metro

voretaq7

@ChrisS well that's the corp's primary asset :-)

Chris S

@voretaq7 You're the only owner and employee, they'll come after you....

Corporate status no longer insulates the owners from their own (legal) mistakes, only from the mistakes of employees.

voretaq7

@ChrisS there's actually two of us but yes, they will come after us. The government always comes after the owners

Chris S

Not always; the law was changed after Enron, Tyco, and WorldCom

voretaq7

@ChrisS never did really - there's lots of precedent (at least in negligence suits, back into the 1970s at least)

Chris S

6:22 PM

@voretaq7 Civil liability has always been a free-for-all; it's just the lawyers figured out there was good profit to be made in more recent years by suing everyone for spilling coffee in your own lap.

voretaq7

@ChrisS those changes are under-enforced (at least when you get into Enron/Tyco/WorldCom scale companies). Small shops have always been easier targets (especially single-owner shops because you can argue that the corporation is the man)

@ChrisS THE CUP WAS RIGGED!

(I know because I rigged it. But it was supposed to explode, not just leak.)

Cole

weee

Chris S

Fricking people using the microwave..... finish you darn meals already!

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS No, Vista was fine. The vast majority of the suck associated with Vista was the lack of driver support from hardware makers, (and the way MS caved to Intel and certified their shit integrated GPUs to be "Vista compatible," despite being unable to run Aero without catching fire).

David

@ChrisS lol, ruining your wifis?

@HopelessN00b Vista SP1 was fine

Chris S

6:26 PM

@David Bluetooth headset... WiFi is all 5GHz now.

HopelessN00b

Try running it now. It's pretty comparable to Windows 7, and I did run Vista Ultimate as my home desktop OS up until several months ago. No problems with it.

David

@ChrisS my 5ghz wifi (at home) is fucking terrible

barely works outside the room the router is in

Chris S

Our APs are set to 12.5% power and still work from the parking lot with ease.

Cole

Do you guys carry your wallet in your back pocket?

jscott

No wallet at all.

David

6:28 PM

@ChrisS G or N

HopelessN00b

@David Yeah, that's why I run all my wireless gear on the reserved government emergency frequencies. It's not like they ever use the freaking things, so it's just wasted otherwise.

Joel E Salas

@ChrisS You work out in the sticks don't you

Chris S

@David N

David

@Cole i fold my bills over my cards, then rubber band...

Cole

@jscott how!?

Chris S

6:29 PM

@JoelESalas Nope, corporate park. There's a dozen 802.11bg networks within range right now... One other N. Nobody around here is using 5GHz yet.

jscott

@Cole Just a license and credit card, and loose cash (don't often carry that). Not enough to need a wallet.

Chris S

@Cole Yep, rear right pocket.

Cole

@ChrisS same with me @jscott crazy, wish I could

But my wallet is killing my right butt cheek lol

Chris S

Mine is too; new wallet

HopelessN00b

@Cole No, front pocket. I don't like sitting on lumpy... whatever.

Mike

6:30 PM

@cole yeah I have the same issue. It wears through a pair of pants in about 4 months

Cole

@HopelessN00b that's not what you said last night.

tombull89

@Cole right side - keys and wallet in right, phone in left.

Chris S

Old one was nicely rounded, fit in my pants well... was also falling apart at the seams.

Scott Pack

I move my wallet around so as to save wear and tear on my pants.

HopelessN00b

@Cole It's different when the lumpy whatever is genitals, duh.

Cole

6:31 PM

thinking about getting one of the card only wallets.

Joel E Salas

@ChrisS They only build corporate parks in the sticks

Cole

I'll take lumpy genitals at this point.

Scott Pack

all-ett.com/original-wallet

jscott

You should just get one of those sweet Vision Street Wear hip packs.

Chris S

@JoelESalas It's a suburb, but not the sticks.

Cole

6:32 PM

@jscott good idea, I mean at work, they don't already thing I'm gay enough so that could just further show how much of a homosexual I am.

David

anyone know WTF could cause my Ubuntu VM (VirtualBox) to be so slow and laggy, when I run Win7 with the same settings, and its smooth as butter?

HopelessN00b

@Cole "Is that a lump in your pocket, or are you just happy to have new genitals?"

jscott

@Cole But isn't the retro-80s thing cool right now? It's been a few months since I was in one of our school buildings, but there seemed to be a lot of that going on last time I was there.

Scott Pack

@HopelessN00b Starring because genitals.

HopelessN00b

@David Ubuntu being inferior to Windows 7?

David

6:33 PM

@HopelessN00b yeah, but slow?

HopelessN00b

@ScottPack Right back at ya.

Chris S

@David Because it's Linux!

Scott Pack

@HopelessN00b Ew.

David

@ChrisS srsly?

HopelessN00b

@David Have you tried another Linux distro? Narrow it down to a Linux thing, or a Shuttleworth thing.

Chris S

6:35 PM

@David No, I just like to kick Linux any chance I get. =]

David

@HopelessN00b no, i dont really wanna set up another VM

Michael Hampton

@David You're using VirtualBox?

David

@MichaelHampton yes

HopelessN00b

@David Why? Is it it a PITA with VirtualBox? Takes me all of 2 minutes of actual work with VMWare.

David

@HopelessN00b dont want to DL another distro and everything

Michael Hampton

6:37 PM

@David I'm sorry.

Did you install the guest additions, and are they actually running?

David

@MichaelHampton yes; no clue

im a linux noob, not sure how i would tell

Michael Hampton

@David That's about as far as I can go; I stopped using VBox long ago. It's all VMware and KVM for me.

David

@MichaelHampton not free :(

Michael Hampton

@David KVM is perfectly free. :)

Scott Pack

I don't want anymore switch boxes on my desk.

voretaq7

6:41 PM

@MichaelHampton Free as in Stallman's Beard?

hey you guyses: serverfault.com/about-new

we get one too

(so let one of the mods know if it looks totally fucked so we can go bug the community people)

Michael Hampton

Don't ask about...

Anything in a home or development environment

OK, I like it!

David

@voretaq7 pretty nifty

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton I'm wondering if /about is going to replace /faq eventually since this seems to be a better blend of the two (and has incorporated a lot of the /faq info like what is/isn't on topic)

Cole

I'm happy to say, I'm actually doing work

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Ed even got a mention. Shazaam.

voretaq7

6:51 PM

@ScottPack yeah there's some disgruntlement about the example selection on other sites but ours is actually a good one

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 I wouldn't go quite that far.

I notice that none of the examples have a comment from TomTom. So how good an example can it be?

voretaq7

@ScottPack I said "good" not "perfect" :)

Scott Pack

thinkgeek.com/product/f331

Cole

god I hate VMware 5.1 SSO

David

@Cole I'm happy to say, I am not.

Matt Bear

6:59 PM

@Cole yuuuup,

@Cole thats a problem I need to sort out soon

HopelessN00b

Alright, Pandora's timing out. Can't work. Home time.

TheCleaner

quick question: What's the correct protocol here: serverfault.com/questions/462791/… do I wait for joeqwerty to respond? What will happen if the bounty expires before he does? Should I flag it for some kind of mod? Post in meta about it? Do nothing?

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner Got three days, wait for joe to respond at least a little while longer.

If the bounty expires before there's a +2 answer, and you don't manually assign one before the grace period ends, the points are lost forever.

Scott Pack

FOUR-EVER.

HopelessN00b

If the bounty expires, but there's a +2 answer, and you don't award the bounty, the highest voted answer gets half.

voretaq7

7:12 PM

@TheCleaner What would you want a mod to do?

Cole

This installation is boned, wish they would have waited for me to do it

Scott Pack

Unassigned bounties are destructive to the ServerFault economy. Can you imagine what would happen if you just started burning $100 bills without ever reporting them as destroyed? We're talking full ServerFault collapse here.

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 - :) don't know TBH, I just didn't want Joe to lose the answer, since that's really the best answer but it's a comment.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner Unfortunately we can only convert answers to comments, not the other way around :)

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b - thanks didn't know that. There should be a page/wiki called "So...you've been here a while, like the place, and want to be a regular. Here's what you need to know now going forward." - with things like "reviewing", "n00b things you shouldn't be doing" (like me answering with LMGTFY links), "how to be accepted by the other regulars without pissing them off", etc. :)

WesleyDavid

7:15 PM

@MilesErickson Wow, so gone without any online communication? You're married, right? Doing a family world tour?

mossy

ohay i have propagation

almost time to go home!

Michael Hampton

If you have propagation, shouldn't you be seeing a doctor?

Chris S

Anyone here a IEEE member?

voretaq7

@ChrisS You need a standard, don't you? :)

(unfortunately I've long since let my membership lapse

Patrick

@voretaq7 what do you get for being a member?

voretaq7

7:25 PM

@Patrick bills mostly

and Spectrum

Chris S

@voretaq7 No, they've got a $99/y offer expiring at the end of the month... I've been interested in joining, but haven't yet.

Scott Pack

@Patrick Pipe tobacco scented suspenders.

voretaq7

@ChrisS hmm... might be worth that actually

Ward

@ChrisS Yeah, although I need to renew for this year.

TheCleaner

@ChrisS - yeah...they keep sending me the renewal emails

Ward

7:29 PM

Spectrum is the main thing, every now and then I make use of some of the documents available.

And I signed up early for their email service so I got firstname@ieee.org

mossy

-1

Q: Why is my IP address server not serving not working?

I made this server on my dell netbook running windows xp pro edition and it doesn't work? I really need someone to tell me whats wrong and how to fix it. The server package that im using came from 'Best free server' website. Please help!!?

windows

lol.

Chris S

WTF, the IEEE Computer Society's sign-up process is a sheet of paper you print and mail in??

mossy

sigh

David

@mossy FIRE THE CANNONS!

Cole

Ugh really

Chris S

7:32 PM

I am an IT professional! — user1968159 2 mins ago

Cole

He should really use that lynx thing

David

terrible troll

either that, or just seriously retarded

HopelessN00b

@David Yeah, pretty obvious troll. Nuke from orbit.

tombull89

of odd usernames...

HopelessN00b

Or send to StackOverflow, where he might become a respected community member.

tombull89

7:33 PM

Toilet Overflow

6 2

dns failover openvpn reliability rsnapshot uptime

Chris S

@tombull89 That's my new nickname for SO

tombull89

@ChrisS heh

Scott Pack

@ChrisS I hate to say it, but the FAQ says that the site is for Information Technology Professionals, not just Systems Administrators.

tombull89

He's a troll. He's suspended on Maths and has this gem of an answer on Programmers.

-3

A: Multi-platform design with Delphi, Java, MySQL and CouchDB

OH MY GOD! HOW could you not know THAT? I knew that when I was TWO years old and even a goldfish could figure it out. The answer is plain obvious! Please get a brain as stupid questions are not allowed on the stackexchange network.

HopelessN00b

Yup, please suspend user for 17 years, @anydiamond.

Ward

7:36 PM

@ChrisS I let that part of my membership lapse a long time ago, just basic IEEE now.

TheCleaner

@ChrisS - on my renewal I saw that you also get a handy dandy notebook. Apparently they want you to do Blue's Clues.

David

@tombull89 sounds like a b-tard

Ward

It's funny you ask now, I just got an email meant for some other IEEE member that then sender assumed was ward at ieee... I haven't had one of those for over a year.

Chris S

@ScottPack Well System|Network|Storage|DB|Desktop Administrators (and various underlings)... But not Programers, Data Entry, etc

Cole

I regret shaving my mustache.

HopelessN00b

7:40 PM

@ChrisS He must be confused by the IT acronym. Tell him it doesn't stand for "Idiot Troll" and kiss him with the ban hammer.

Scott Pack

@ChrisS We let storage people on the site now? Fuck That.

voretaq7

@ScottPack Dude! Storage people have the best porn.

2

(well, they have ALL the porn actually, but if it's all indexed properly you can find the good stuff)

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 You need to hang out with more desktop support people.

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Well... just the most porn.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Given that guy's antics across the rest of the SE network, I find it highly unlikely that he will improve the question enough to reopen it.

Chris S

7:48 PM

@MichaelHampton Hist improvements were a anti-Linux comment and something mildly relevant to an actual problem...

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS And he just reposted it, too.

David

@MichaelHampton dedicated troll

Michael Hampton

Maybe he'll improve after a 13 year suspension.

Chris S

13 seemed like an odd number, I wonder where that came from.

You have to enter the suspension duration in days, so they must have punched in 4500 or something.

Michael Hampton

Probably so. Though I strongly suspect he won't be missed.

Cole

7:50 PM

Any one know if there's a way to create a registry key with PoSh?

I'm sure there is

Michael Hampton

0

A: JQuery Mobile causing prob in JSP file after form submit

FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUCK, FUCK AND SUC...

jscott

@Cole New-Item

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton Yelling Bird is on Stack Overflow now?

YOU TOLD ME STACKOVERFLOW DIDN'T HAVE ANY ORIFICES!

Michael Hampton

-2

A: Crapware on the mobile os

Is this ubuntu mobule? It will be full of shittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyshittyware dont hgave anthing to do with it!!!!

David

Is ArsTechnica down?

voretaq7

7:53 PM

@MichaelHampton well now that's just.... true

Scott Pack

@MichaelHampton What? That looks like a perfectly good answer.

Michael Hampton

why have I got lots of downvotes again? Isn't this constructive feedback? — user1968159 35 mins ago

David

@MichaelHampton not even a funny or good troll

Chris S

Can anyone tell me approximately how many years in 3650 days?

HopelessN00b

15 mins ago, by HopelessN00b

@ChrisS He must be confused by the IT acronym. Tell him it doesn't stand for "Idiot Troll" and kiss him with the ban hammer.

@ChrisS 10

Scott Pack

7:55 PM

@ChrisS bit.ly/RKstI8

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Approximately 10

Chris S

Well everyone has got it right so far except the Troll. =]

HopelessN00b

This account is temporarily suspended because of low-quality contributions. The suspension period ends on Jan 9 '23 at 19:49.

Woohoo!

WesleyDavid

Enticing me to open spam. ur doin it rong

David

@HopelessN00b lets see if he's dedicated enough to use a proxy and come back

Michael Hampton

8:01 PM

I just stumbled across this. Made for a really interesting read. @ewwhite

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid "Mr. Shit, Mr. Fuck Shit, please pick up the brown courtesy phone"

HopelessN00b

@David Or smart enough. My gut says... no.

David

@HopelessN00b Probably true.

Cole

@jscott thanks!

Scott Pack

@WesleyDavid!

Cole

8:03 PM

@WesleyDavid !!!!

ewwhite

8:17 PM

@MichaelHampton Ooh, I'll check it out.

Finally home... gut-wrenching week.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, it's not every day a sysadmin gets to deal with an armed robbery.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Where?

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b You'll have to ask @ewwhite

HopelessN00b

Oh, I miss something in the chat lately?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton armed robber paled in comparison to my HP problem.

David

8:24 PM

Anyone know whats up with this? Fresh install of ubuntu server

Michael Hampton

@David You installed Ubuntu, that's a problem.

David

Michael Hampton

@David Try the command you pasted here and then deleted.

David

i already ran that

got it w/ aptitude install software-properties-common

guess you need both? the guide from Ars doesnt say so

sendmoreinfo

first one should be enough

Joel E Salas

8:29 PM

@David Just follow the instructions. Install those packages, then attempt add-apt-repository again

David

@JoelESalas i got it, and nginx installed

but cant access nginx from browser

Joel E Salas

@David Is it running? sudo netstat -tulpn

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b yeah, you missed the armed robbery in Mexico at a client.

David

@JoelESalas not that i can tell

this guide is shit

Joel E Salas

@David service nginx start

@David That's the problem with using Ubuntu. There's tons of guides for it, all written by DEVOPS

HopelessN00b

8:32 PM

@ewwhite Shit. More excitement that you usually want from a trip down south.

David

@JoelESalas that did the trick. the guide is from Ars Technica's "How to set up a safe and secure web server"

Joel E Salas

@David Ars Technica reviews cell phones. It's not a sysadmin resource

sendmoreinfo

link?

David

@sendmoreinfo arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/…

sendmoreinfo

gadgets, hm

hey, I know that font

sensi.org/~svo/glasstty

HopelessN00b

8:35 PM

@JoelESalas They also have some decent SA stuff. But why does reviewing cellphones preclude them from being an SA resource? I use cell phones.

Michael Hampton

I use coffee makers, too.

Joel E Salas

@HopelessN00b If I ever write sensational stories about cell phones, stop taking my advice

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton And you feel that anyone reviewing a coffee-maker would necessarily be no longer an SA resource? Caffeine ingestion is an important, if not the most important part of systems administration.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I feel that any resource that doesn't review coffee makers can't be a serious SA resource...

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton That's more like it!

@JoelESalas so, back to slashdot for you, then? =D

Michael Hampton

8:40 PM

0

A: What is the karma according to buddhism?

I have decided to stop spamming and trolling on this site. I would like to offer my sincerest apologies to anybody who was inconvenienced by my ridiculous troll outbreaks, I regret them. It was extremely immature of me to do such childish actions and I have preyed and hope for forgiveness from ...

0

Q: I have decided to stop spamming and trolling on this site

I have decided to stop spamming and trolling on this site. I would like to offer my sincerest apologies to anybody who was inconvenienced by my ridiculous troll outbreaks, I regret them. It was extremely immature of me to do such childish actions and I have preyed and hope for forgiveness from th...

theology

OK, he decided to stop...now when is he going to stop?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Meh, he answered my SO question too. I'll believe it when he dies in a fire.

Joel E Salas

I just read his backlog of terrorism and lol'd mightily

Patrick

dynamically expanding virtual disks only grow to the set size correct? they wont grow anymore then that.

Scott Pack

@Patrick Unless they realize the true meaning of Christmas. Then they'll grow 3x initially allocated size.

3

Patrick

@ScottPack k, thank you

Scott Pack

8:48 PM

np

HopelessN00b

Linux powered rifle... I wants.

Scott Pack

@HopelessN00b I wonder what kind of CFLAGS they use . Probably -O9999 boring.

Joel E Salas

@HopelessN00b My desires to kill things aren't ever specific enough to require a firearm

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton Not sure if NAA...or best answer

@ScottPack -OSHIT

@JoelESalas you're a high explosives kinda guy?

HopelessN00b

@ScottPack C'mon, the marrying of computing and ballistics... what's boring about that?

voretaq7

8:51 PM

@ScottPack How The Grinch had a Segmentation Fault?

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 Not specific enough to point a crosshair at a given life form and say "End that"

the animals ;_;

voretaq7

@JoelESalas Bigger crosshair. Bigger bullet. Aim at planets.

sendmoreinfo

Orbital nuke should do that

HopelessN00b

I'm anticipating the day when I can say "gun, kill that asshole" into a bluetooth headset... and actually kill some asshole.

Scott Pack

@HopelessN00b I suppose it's rifled, not bored.

Joel E Salas

8:52 PM

@voretaq7 I even felt bad killing the animals in Far Cry 3

voretaq7

TARGET ACQUIRED

Joel E Salas

Tigers are just tigering around and then up comes me, some asshole with a flamethrower, and incinerates the tiger

voretaq7

I . . . I can't do it. It's just too RIDICULOUS LOOKING!

sendmoreinfo

@voretaq7 IDENT POSITIVE?

voretaq7

@sendmoreinfo WHO CARES? SHOOT ALREADY!

Michael Hampton

9:03 PM

This account is temporarily suspended for rule violations. The suspension period ends on Oct 7 '15 at 20:58.
...And there he goes on SO.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton askubuntu straight up deleted him.

jscott

@MichaelHampton And he's earning badges!

stackexchange.com/users/2230424/user1968159?tab=activity

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b They did? I still see his account there.

0

Q: I have decided to stop spamming and trolling on this site

I have decided to stop spamming and trolling on this site. I would like to offer my sincerest apologies to anybody who was inconvenienced by my ridiculous troll outbreaks, I regret them. It was extremely immature of me to do such childish actions and I have preyed and hope for forgiveness from th...

compiz

jscott

@MichaelHampton Yep, he's not even banned there yet.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Yeah, because they deleted him, when he came back, he wasn't banned and could recreate the account.

Michael Hampton

9:10 PM

Oh yeah, oops

HopelessN00b

If you'd checked about 5 mins ago, that didn't exist on Ask Ubuntu.

tombull89

Maths banned him til 2026.

Well, I needed a chuckle, anyway.

jscott

His post is tagged [compiz]. :)

HopelessN00b

Yup. Philosophy, Ubunut and Programmers are just a lil slow on the ban hammer.

Michael Hampton

Ubuntu doesn't have a lot of moderators, I think, and they seem to have large gaps in coverage.

tombull89

9:13 PM

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 52 secs ago, by jrg

so i'm tempted just to pull the trigger on the guy.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton All of AskUbuntu's moderators are still trying to figure out Gnome Shell.

3

tombull89

Ubuntu mod ^^

Scott Pack

@jrg needs to be more trigger happy.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid In their defense, I'M still trying to figure out Gnome Shell

(and I fear I'll NEVER understand Unity)

Michael Hampton

I figured out Gnome Shell already. It was clearly the inspiration for Metro. Or vice-versa.

tombull89

9:20 PM

Vote Down requires 125 reputation HNNNNGGGGG

Cole

Anyone seen this error in VMware 5.1 for SSO?

failed to serialize a response for Edit identity source

Scott Pack

Can any of you nerds tell me how downstream 37 dB SNR on a cable modem compares? Is it good, all right, terrible, Shuttleworth?

Michael Hampton

And he's temporarily suspended from Ask Ubuntu too.
This account is temporarily suspended for rule violations. The suspension period ends on Sep 20 '26 at 21:25.

@ScottPack Quite good, I think.

voretaq7

@ScottPack that's pretty good - what are the signal levels?

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack dslreports.com/faq/5862

Scott Pack

9:28 PM

@voretaq7 Doesn't say, I don't think. i.imgur.com/rWv28.png

voretaq7

@ScottPack hmmm

your upstream power seems a little high

your downstream signal level (-1 dBmV) is excellent though (0 is nominal)

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 So, with the possible exception of upstream melting the line, I'm doing pretty good. That's nice.

voretaq7

@ScottPack yeah, and your upstream is well within the "normal" (30-50) range

Scott Pack

My speeds seem low, so I was starting to look ta the stuff I'm able to look at. I have no idea how populated my circuit is.

voretaq7

50-55 is where you need to start looking at what's causing it, and most modems won't pump out more than 55dBmV upstream

@ScottPack is your modem a DOCSIS 3 unit?

Scott Pack

9:31 PM

@voretaq7 Yeah, it's an old Surfboard 5100.

Oh, shit, no. It's DOCSIS 2.

voretaq7

@ScottPack that's a DOCSIS 2 unit -- if you can get one of the 6000 series ones that may help if your node is saturated

channel aggregation FTW

Scott Pack

Just last month they started charging lease on these things, so I'm considering buying one of my own.

Granted, I've had this one since Sept 2004.

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack Yeah, I'd buy your own at this point.

Chris S

I though floating point numbers were fairly accurate.... Try typing =1*(0.5-0.4-0.1) into Excel.

Google gets it right. Wolfram Alpha get it wrong, well as much as Excel...

Michael Hampton

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Chris S

9:43 PM

@MichaelHampton Yeah, I just didn't think you could run into it so easily...

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack Yeah, but you can always take it with you. And paying monthly for an ancient cable modem doesn't make any sense to me.

Scott Pack

@MichaelHampton Oh sure, and I agree.

Chris S

Nobody should be renting/leasing a cable modem unless they intend to have the service for less than a year.

Even then, you can buy used modems on eBay for $25

Michael Hampton

Though don't accept a cable modem that doesn't support DOCSIS 3

Chris S

I think I've even got a DOCSIS 2.0 SurfBoard around somewhere that I'd give away free if someone paid shipping (and I found the thing)

@MichaelHampton Who only accepts DOCSIS 3.0?

@voretaq7 The SNR is a better indicator of the signal, anything above 20 dB is doing fine. Upstream you generally want what you said, <40 is great, but <50 is acceptable.

voretaq7

9:51 PM

@ChrisS around here (LI) if your downstream signal drops below -15 or so you will have problems during storms (because cablevision's lines are shit, and when they move it drives the noise floor up by about 10-15dB)

fortunately I don't have to worry about any of that anymore because FiOS

::does the happy happy fiber optics dance::

Chris S

Comcrap has problems with heat, the SNR dips a solid 10-15dB when it's over 90

voretaq7

@ChrisS I noticed the SNR would drop about 5dB on cablevision in the summer pretty consistently

what was more fun was the fall rainy season though - My modem would lock on at -40dB strength for about 5 minutes, but the SNR would eventually drop below 5dB and it would re-sync

when I put my meter on the line I couldn't even FIND the signal - there was so much water getting into the lines that the shield and the conductor were effectively bonded

TheCleaner

DevOps...grr...the below would be an SF question, but I figure it will get closed as "likely to solicit debate or opinion"

OK, this is something I don't have experience in. We have our public website externally hosted 3rd party. They want to have customers fill out a form on the site that after submitting will send the info to a database we have in-house. I'm not a fan of giving a 3rd party server direct access to our network or database server. Besides the ideas like dumping the info to a file on the 3rd party server that we retrieve via FTP/SCP, are there other more common methods fo…

voretaq7

@TheCleaner hmmm

I'd need to know more about what you're trying to do -- is there some automated process that's getting kicked off?

Jeff Ferland

@TheCleaner RESTful interface

voretaq7

9:57 PM

generally though, why not have it email you the data or POST it to your server instead of theirs?

Jeff Ferland

Have their server POST to a server-oriented URL on your server.

Michael Hampton

Or bring the website in-house.

Jeff Ferland

This is the same kind of thing Twitter does for its API, by the way.

Representational state transfer

Representational State Transfer (REST) is a style of software architecture for distributed systems such as the World Wide Web. REST has emerged as a predominant Web service design model. The term representational state transfer was introduced and defined in 2000 by Roy Fielding in his doctoral dissertation. Fielding is one of the principal authors of the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) specification versions 1.0 and 1.1. About The REST architectural style was developed by W3C Technical Architecture Group in parallel with HTTP/1.1, based on the existing design of HTTP/1.0. The Wo...

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 - They want customers to fill out a quote form that has drop downs, bullet lists, etc. and then when they hit submit it sends an email to the customer thanking them for the request and sends one to a dept. here letting them know of the request. At the same time they want the submitted "data" to populate a Win SQL2008 database table so that the internal employee can use an app that pulls up that database info and allows them to start building a quote based on the customers request.

(basically they want to cut out the issue of a customer saying they want to get a quote and then an employee here walking with them over the phone through the database form...they'd rather the customer have the opportunity to do it themselves through our www site)

voretaq7

@TheCleaner sounds like it should be POSTing to an application you run in-house then, just my way of looking at it though

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