@Basil /r/andr -- for the X11 junkies out there?

@ChrisS Were you using the same editor for both the pre- and post- iterations?

If so, the 2nd editor may have terminated with a line-feed and the first one not.

@Adrian I hadn't changed the file in almost two years. It just started failing a week ago.

@ChrisS upgrade BIND?

Are there security implications for answering incorrectly?

I may not have read the latest advisories very carefully.

@ChrisS well there's the DNSSEC DoS I mentioned before

Jan 19, 2012 is the last named upgrade

but I was thinking more along the lines of "If you upgraded BIND and the zone broke maybe they made the parser more of a dick pedantic

@ChrisS It's Bind. And therefore almost as much made of black magic as Sendmail.

I know I haven't touched anything but website files on this server for a couple months at least.

pcgamesn.com/article/why-i-m-uninstalling-windows-8 perfect! print this and paste it on the world

@ChrisS OK then we're back to "It's lonely and wanted attention"

I prefer blaming cosmic rays; but same thing

@ChrisS but that's actually plausible.

I prefer a Stallmanesque argument that software has intrinsic desires

Mwahahahaha! My evil plan is working.

spits on FireFox

know of something like little snitch for windows 7?

hiss

What would it take to get more people to accept answers on questions?

@ewwhite money

oooh! $.05 for each accept...

@ChrisS right?

@ChrisS that poor girl... becoming a meme..

@Basil Party pooper.

@WesleyDavid maybe this'll help:

(spoiler: it's not voice activated)

Mwahahahaha! My evil plan is working. My boss wants to send me to a class about virtualizing our Mitel installations.

OTOH, my brand-new Ubuntu 12.04 amd64 install just up and puked its cookies and rebooted.

Typical Ubuntu, no useful error messages by default.

@Adrian ERROR MESSAGES ARE SCARY!

don't do that then serverfault.com/questions/420176/…

BANG. Headshot.

resisted the urge to add "Server Fault is not 'tech support for the interwebs' you twit!"

@Iain There are turnkey bugzilla appliances? What are the tubes coming to?!

@WesleyDavid apparently so

@WesleyDavid Cool. Too bad Bugzilla isn't much different than it was in 2002.

I think they spent the last 10 years modifying the page themes several times over.

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toddler&oldid=340448237 <-- "This article's factual accuracy is disputed" =]

What's better than sniping easy questions for rep? Sniping questions where your answer is basically made from referencing another question you remember on the site.

@ChrisS I saw one where they were referring to when the toddler was "domesticated, several thousands years ago"

@JeffFerland then it's a dupe ?

@Iain No. It's the inversion of the other question.

I jujst saw it on the front page

@Basil Yeah, but that was a screen shot... I can make a screen shot that says absolutely anything. I couldn't find the revision where it says that about toddlers, so I'm thinking it was faked.

@JeffFerland I can't say I've ever seen [f]oobar used tbh

@ChrisS reddit.com/r/funny/top (this is where I'll be all afternoon)

@Basil I've seen half of those before though....

Me too, but sometimes it's worth it

plus the production change window is done for the week and I'm out of pre-prod work to do

(for today)

@Basil. Nice. My boss approved half the department for PTO today and then the other person left broke her wrist. We'll see how many staff are still living at the end of 2 days of me doing all IT functions for the agency.

Oh my.

@Adrian We're closed. Get the fuck out.

@voretaq7 Yeah, he also approved this on a payroll transmission day. If we're closed and the server no workie, I no get paid.

would we want this security.stackexchange.com/questions/19092/… ?

@Iain only after they scrub it with bleach :-)

The underlying question (how can I snarf all the URLs out of an email and feed them through a test program to see if they're on Google's shit list) isn't a bad one

but oh god my brain. It crashed the English parser!

@voretaq7 I don't understand it so not going to say

@Iain I think I vaguely comprehend what they're trying to ask

but that could just be misassembled bits of other shit that was on the English Parser stack when it crashed

@voretaq7 now that you've explained it I can see it too

cf. bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/1998/bastard98-18.php

@JeffFerland NSFW

Now you have a reason to use the button.

@84104 Picky.

@WesleyDavid Also the password must be 6-20 alphanumeric characters.

@84104 I like how you assume that they might possible care about these things. =)

@84104 Security: You no can has

@84104 Verizon also requires that for their password.

@Adrian I'm lamenting that they don't care.

@WesleyDavid that is blatantly untrue

@84104 Ah. I must've read it in the wrong voice. =)

@voretaq7 ... waits for it ...

^ Better?

@WesleyDavid the cotton wadding I have to shove up my ass to stop the bleeding after paying my Verizon bill shows that they do in fact give a fuck. A brutal one. With no lube.

@WesleyDavid Either they really care or your statement doesn't line up with how dirty my mind is.

@voretaq7 Okay, I edited my statement.

@WesleyDavid um... do fuck-UPS count as fucks? 'cuz markdown has a lot of those

One of our managers sent an email asking us to "prioritize" his intermittently jamming fax machine. I complied immediately, prioritizing it appropriately down, since I'm the only damn one here.

Said PM wasn't happy.

@WesleyDavid Unless is on star wall.

@voretaq7 But that's only because it's transposed to a single line. It's the Miss Congeniality prize for markdown.

@WesleyDavid Being a pig that ate lipstick, Markdown will take what it can get and be happy about it.

I am pleased to say that my new password is base64 /dev/urandom | grep -Eo '[a-z,A-Z,0-9]{20}' | head -n 1

@voretaq7 Who are those people? The first one sounds vaguely familiar, I must admit. Not sure where though.

@Adrian Some singer chick from my youth and some guy who owns grocery stores?

@Adrian more-pop-than-pop-punk chick who sings "skater boy", and the Nickelback frontman

they kinda deserve each other...

@voretaq7 Eww. Their issue should be euthanized at birth.

also I believe she's Canadian.

@84104 Avril Lavigne was in your youth? WTF HOW OLD ARE YOU?! D=

@WesleyDavid Old enough, kitty c@. ;)

@84104 ... like... 12?

she didn't even start releasing music till I was in college. sighs starts shopping for old people vitamins 'n stuff

@voretaq7 You already told me to get of your lawn earlier today.

I need to think more seriously about replacing my MTA... I need to find one that's got a sufficiently low suck-factor to justify the effort though.

@ChrisS What's your benchmark / current piece of shit?

@ChrisS sendmail. It's.... well it's sendmail.

"Does what it says on the tin"

@ChrisS I'm partial to postfix, but do you really just mean mta?

Yeah, Postfix for me.

fuck postfix. I learned the deep arcana of sendmail by wading neck deep in guano, and by satan's tail I am going to USE that knowledge! :P

@voretaq7 Whatever, old man.

@84104 Dont make me use the bat!

@voretaq7 EXIM OR GO HOME

@JeffFerland Courier right now. I've toyed with Postfix, Exim, and Sendmail before.. Their suck-quotient is all pretty high. @84104

@voretaq7 I see the guys at OpenBSD thought they all sucked too so they wrote their own MTA. I need to check it out.

@ChrisS Of course they all suck, it's email. Everything about email sucks. Still I haven't had any problems with our postfix installs. They link nicely with our openldap and don't give us any grief.

@84104 Well, aside from a few minor things that aren't easy in Postfix, it's friggin' rocked for us.

@Adrian Curiosity not disagreement, what isn't easy in postfix?

How did my crappy OpenIndiana ad that I threw together in Gimp while rushed get the most votes of all our community ads? meta.serverfault.com/ads/display/2468

Seriously people, I'm disappointed.

@ChrisS yes, well remember The Angry Canadian is only 2 steps down the Batshit ladder from DJB

@84104 I even have a question open about it. One of our teams wants outgoing emails from a group of their staff to have the 'To' and 'Reply-To' rewritten to be the workgroup's email alias.

If I had time to prioritize that one, it would be easy to fix but it appear to be something you have to code up and not just an option or rule to set.

@Adrian Interesting, closest thing I've dealt with is related to serverfault.com/questions/414573/…

@WesleyDavid Gimp.

@ewwhite DON'T YOU TALK BAD ABOUT MY FAMILY!!

@ewwhite How's your client base? Any more ugly rats nest cable plants? =)

@Adrian I think the answer is in an (ab)use of canonical maps.

@WesleyDavid No, just a pile of poorly-performing SAN solutions.

and I can't get the people in charge to look at commercial ZFS appliances.

@84104 Probably. But it's something that's of limited benefit, has an available in-client workaround, and that I don't have time for anyway.

@wesley There's one particular site where performance is terrible... the application really should NOT be virtualized... But the client is more interested in a $60k SAN to boost performance rather than spinning the one app off onto its own $5k server.

@ewwhite LOLWUT

Can I work for that client? One that wants a 60K solution more than a 5K one.

The client wants everything virtualized.

Heck, I'll just send them an invoice for talking to you about them.

@Adrian Probably, I'll think on it (can't not now).

but didn't do the right things to make the virtualized solution work at an acceptable level.

@ewwhite So, virtualize all the things! except don't build the infrastructure correctly to be able to virtualize all the things. Right?

@WesleyDavid Well, yes... but one thing that's a sticking point for me is that we're knowingly taking a drop in performance when we go to a virtual solution.

@ewwhite Let me guess, it's disk bound right? They put 5400RPM WD Green drives into a DL320s, installed Windows Storage Server on it and then put their VHDs on a CIFS share? AMIRITE??

@ewwhite But... but... virtualization!!

@WesleyDavid it's more nuanced... it's not a raw IOPS issue. It's a latency/service time issue.

@ewwhite Ohhh. Latency. That seems slightly unusual. Not the common issues that I hear when virtualization projects go sneakers up.

but I know the profile of this application.

and that's the frustrating part.

so it's throughput needs are low... less than 10 megabytes/second most of the time.

but the service time of the requests makes all the difference

so there will ne a new SAN... $60k Dell

it'll be faster... have RAID 1+0...

@ewwhite And that takes care of the response times? What the problem that's causing the response time issues right now?

Slow disks, it seems... 14 x 1TB SATA in a RAID5, serving 3 ESX hosts.

and 90 VM's.

so faster disks will make it better..

but is that any better than internal server disks?

@ewwhite Are they heavy users of snapshots as a means of rollback procedures for updates and etc?

nope

Oh and pokes @voretaq7 --->

@WesleyDavid BLENDS RIGHT IN!

@ewwhite So it's just virtualization for the sake of virtualization. Do they plan on vmotioning servers for disasters or cloning on demand for local POPs or... anything?

@WesleyDavid Oh, it's a 3-host setup, SAN and somehow, vSphere 4.1 Enterprise Plus

DRS is enabled... the servers are G5 proliants, so EVC is on and is clamping down.

Well, if it's a good world I'll break 10k tomorrow

We will see...

@joel good!