@ewwhite "Dislikes:gentoo"

you the man. high five.

@pauska I want to add "Likes: rms" to mine now

@pauska Well, I came from a firm where I was fighting Gentoo with CentOS.

"I don't always use Gentoo. But when I do - I don't have a fucking idea what I'm doing"

KVM versus VMWare... or Gentoo versus RHEL

religious wars

@ewwhite Generally there's a business reason to go with one or the other. For example, if being a fat neckbeard aspie piece of shit is essential to the bottom line, you'd go with gentoo.

Heh... well, it's all good. No more Gentoo. No more KVM... (except I'm installing KVM for a client tonight)

I'm one of those who'd love to use FreeBSD for any *nix services at work, but it's just madness compared to the ease and stability of modern linux distributions like ubuntu LTS and CentOS (or RHEL)

@pauska I think CentOS is a good balance of poverty and usability

but I guess it takes a while for some sysadmins to put their ego aside and use whats best for the business - not for their own amusal

It is indeed.

yeah I'm starting to like centos

I used red hat once in my lifetime (before yum), and i HATED it

I think about supportability... CentOS and RPM-based distributions are easy.

went back to FreeBSD immediately because of ports

I should probably understand more about Ubuntu and Debian.

it's very similar tbh

@ewwhite Point in case: I did an in-place upgrade of CentOS 4.4 to 6.2 or whatever the latest is. Everything worked.

apt instead of yum, dpkg instead of rpm

and some slight differences in config files.. but even the init files and service handling are just about the same

I think Ubuntu is kind of its own world.

AskUbuntu...

well, not on the server side.. it's basically the same as Debian, only with longer lifetime (if you use LTS)

I found annoying things like no working VMWare tools...

and just not knowing where things were.

(in Ubuntu)

the problem however is that ubuntu LTS is a PAIN to use if you run anything that faces the web.. they only update if there are security updates, and you can't sit at PHP 5.2 if your app needs php 5.3.. so you have to find some home made repo with no guarantee of security

vmware tools works fine on ubuntu really.. vmware even has official packages/repo for it

I recently had an issue... maybe a month ago.

I find that the network effect is extremely valid/valuable when it comes to server stuff

but that part about software updates is the one thing I really miss about FreeBSD

CentOS sees a lot of duty in reseller devices and in VM images, etc

you could sit at FreeBSD 6.2, while the latest release was 8.0 and still use the exact same software repo (since it compiles instead of using precompiled)

You will be hard pressed to find a task to perform in CentOS that someone hasn't already blogged the hell out of

yeah, everything runs on centos/rhel

I've had serious troubles with certain management software on other platforms (like UPS agents, server management software etc)

everything just works on cent/rhel

well, time for bed. later chaps.

later

im seeing that i have -10 and its because "user was removed"

@Iain is the most likely mod to come along in the near future.

Someone else may also know, I'd guess it's just what it says - an account that upvoted you was deleted and you lost that vote/rep.

@Ward @TomH that seems the most likely explanation

Hmm, apparently I still have some active hosting that I purchased ~7 years ago, and stopped paying for ~6 years ago...!

Wonder if I should tell them!

well if you dont use it then why not

Handy to have knocking abot :D

@Dan is it vulnerable?

maps.google.com/?t=8&utm_campaign=8bit&utm_source=yt

Google Maps... is in 8 bit...

@JeffFerland you don't say

:p

@LucasKauffman When did this happen?

@JeffFerland right before the 1st of april :p

Oh, funky link...

Heh

@JeffFerland so what does your weekend bring?

@LucasKauffman Ehh, maybe some resume work. Trying to decide what to do tonight

Mostly procrastinating

haha :p

Holy Crap @LucasKauffman. You've been editing shitloads.

I'm all out of approve votes.

@TomOConnor I was bored :(

heh

The number of, "I locked myself out" or "I deleted the instance and all my data" questions from EC2 is a little scary

EC2: doesn't come with training wheels for newbies

@JeffFerland Sure it does. It's called one year of free micro instance usage. The trouble comes when a 5-year-old decides to get a job as a bike messenger and cruise around Manhattan with the training wheels on.

So, who's going to buy RIM? I vote Dell.

@MilesErickson Yeah probably. Gotta compete with HP in the "irrelevant/dying cell phone manufacturers" market.

@ShaneMadden I actually think that Dell might be able to sell Blackberries to enterprises in the same way that it sells workstations and servers. I've talked to plenty of businesspeople who lament the loss of all-business phones with keyboards, without even getting started on the security angle. Imagine if they waved even a small feature wand and started selling Blackberries that would tether to Dell laptops for always-on internet access just like my iPhone tethers to my MBP.

@ShaneMadden Imagine if they released a version of BES that doesn't suck. (okay, now I'm really dreaming.)

@ShaneMadden The trick is understanding that, in terms of the overall smartphone market, it's a niche product and it's not supposed to be able to run Angry Birds.

@MilesErickson Yeah - they've just stagnated so much over the last 5 years. The rest of the market has made them a joke.

Still RIM isn't bad at all, it could use a facelift and some extra functions maybe, but it stays a good platform

I just solved a problem that I've been curious about for a while: how to get directly to my @gmail.com inbox when I'm also signed into Google Apps accounts @myteachingjob.edu and @myconsultingjob.com: webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/25228/…

(It's a slightly unsatisfactory solution because it doesn't cover every hypothetical scenario, but at least I've solved my own problem and developed a better understanding of how multiple sign-in works.)

@MilesErickson use multiple sign in :p?

@LucasKauffman Multiple sign-in is part of the question, so it can't be the answer :-P

ow :p

g'day @MarkHenderson

good night

sov gott

sov gott ?

:p

sleep well

tw ^^ nn!

ooh

clippy