The Comms Room - 2012-10-04 (page 3 of 4)

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5:00 PM

@Chopper3 Nice. 3 of my children's collection of grandmothers and great-grandmothers were Anna and my Ex's side had alternated between Anna and Sue for 8 generations, so that was an obvious middle name for the daughter.

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Is that someone pulling Putin's nose?

yeah, the German PM

@Adrian That someone appears to be Angela Merkel.

@84104 Ah. Might've recognized the face. I have enough trouble keeping track of our constellation of useless bureaucrats though.

5:05 PM

@Adrian At least you got Putin.

Is it possible to get block device I/O wait in milliseconds via SNMP?

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@ewwhite from what?

also:

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46 mins ago, by Iain

it's not what's said but the way that it's said which is an issue

@Basil from a Linux server.

@ewwhite I know esxtop does on vmware, and I thought I read somewhere that that was adapted from something in linux...

5:11 PM

I was asked to get the I/O profile of a storage unit... but the storage unit is a Linux server running an iSCSI target from its internal SAS and SATA disks.

umm... that's not a storage unit.

to see if it can be suitably replaced with an Isilon

or added to the Isilon, that is.

@Iain You honestly think that was a problem? I gave a similar answer a while back (looking for it now) and @voretaq7 even commented on it in a positive way.

@Basil in this environment, that is what a lot of the storage was/is

Let me see if I can dig it up.

And if you really felt that the opening line of that answer was inflammatory, why is it still there?

Michael Hampton

5:15 PM

@ewwhite For extra credit, try lspci -k.

@MDMarra I think it caused all of the trouble around that question and there isn't any need to dig the other up, @voretaq7 and I are on different sides of the line on this sort of thing (we're close but we don't always agree)

@MichaelHampton distinction?

@Iain Then why hasn't anyone edited it yet?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite -k shows the kernel module serving the device, and not all of the other irrelevant stuff that -v will print.

@MichaelHampton Do you know how to get the profiling info I need from this "storage unit"?

5:17 PM

I mean, I'm not going to edit it because I think it was fine. But editing it won't detract from the content of the answer really.

@MichaelHampton Then that is handy. What does it show if there's no module for the device?

@MDMarra I didn't edit it because I went on a weeks vacation the next day and forgot about it till earlier

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Via SNMP? I dunno...

@MichaelHampton Doesn't have to be SNMP... I'm being asked to determine the read/write profile of the virtual machine activity occurring on this system

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Hm, I have no idea what it would show; I have no devices without a kernel module loaded.

5:18 PM

@Iain @MDMarra that question being perhaps not the best example, because it devolved into a comment flame war with a user who I think asked a badly-phrased question (those words don't mean what you think they mean), and when called on it became progressively more hostile and just wanted to scream

@MichaelHampton I do. Let me look.

(not that that excuses the community pile-on in any case...)

Michael Hampton

What question are we talking about here?

Personally I'm a fan of the "Remove, virtual/VM/VMWare" approach when people are asking a question they seem to know the answer to except in a ZOMG VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT -- it's a variation on "Talk to the duck"

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Q: VMWare - how can I access a "shared" "partition" from within a VM?

I'll be using a VMWare VM, and from within the VM I need to be able to save files to a directory which exists outside of the VM. I'm running VMWare NOT inside of a host OS though. Is this possible, and what is the correct terminology?

vmware-esxi virtual-machines disk

:6373123 [root@Davalan ~]# lspci -k
lspci: invalid option -- k
Usage: lspci [<switches>]

Michael Hampton

5:21 PM

Why didn't anybody just improve the question?

@MichaelHampton because both interpretations are valid (the way it's phrased is ambiguous crap: Are you talking about sharing files between guest operating systems, which is the way I read it, sharing VMFS volumes between hypervisors (which is how the deleted answer guy read it - though is answer of "you want VMFS" is woefully incomplete if that's the case), or probably a dozen other interpretations.)

Installed XP in < 10 minutes (VM on my Laptop too)... I remember when that process took an hour.

@ChrisS install on the laptop bare - watch it take an hour :)

@voretaq7 Probably...

Michael Hampton

Good point. So why didn't the person who asked the question improve it?

5:24 PM

@MichaelHampton because he was run off by the hordes...

5 mins ago, by voretaq7

(not that that excuses the community pile-on in any case...)

Michael Hampton

Ah, from all the comments which have since been deleted.

Holy boots in seconds Batman! This brings back memories...

@MichaelHampton yes

@MichaelHampton yup

Michael Hampton

I think I see the problem:
> I am a Python / Django developer. I specialize in developing SAAS applications using Django. My language of choice is Python, but I am sometimes forced to use English. Django rules.

5:26 PM

@ChrisS Remembering DOS are we?

@voretaq7 I'd install Win3.1 if I even knew where to find a virus for it.

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Michael Hampton

So.... How do we get developers to ask better questions?

@MichaelHampton Tell them what we need to give better answers

@MichaelHampton we send them here to start

I send people to How to Ask

5:28 PM

and then we guide them gently, with the blunt side of the BLUNT side of the loving hammer of correction first...

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The comment quick-link for that is [ask]

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Aha, -k was added in lspci 2.2.9. This postdates EL5 by a few months.

@84104 Was a bit of a guess though.

@MDMarra I wonder how much effort would be involved in getting a subset of the "How can I ask better questions" thing added to How To Ask...

@voretaq7 a rock hammer - that reminds me I need to slipt some nodules I picked up on vacation and see what the ammonites inside are like

5:32 PM

@Iain You earn 3 bonus points for recognizing a rock hammer. I would also have accepted "geology pick"

@voretaq7 All I know about geology is earthquakes and that geologists wear the best sandals.

One of you Linux-type freaks, take a peek at this

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A: ssh one key file for multiple users

I don't know your use-case, but I'm tempted to say "you're doing it wrong." Each user should have their own kepair. That way, when a user leaves, is transferred, promoted to a management role, or anything else that requires revocation of rights, you just revoke that one key. This also makes effe...

What he's asking is usually a no-no, correct?

@JoelESalas geologists wear sandals?

@voretaq7 yes, especially to lecture

Michael Hampton

@MDMarra I'd use sudo for that instead of su. Otherwise it looks perfect.

5:34 PM

@MDMarra yyyyeah.... that's kinda contrary to every security best practice ever

@MichaelHampton changed it to sudo. I know that's preferred over granting the root login in most cases, but I wasn't sure about impersonating another user.

Although you could always just sudo su

@MDMarra Fuck users

@JoelESalas you'll get a disease...

why with the downvoting of the question of hey?

It's not a bad question. It's a bad idea certainly, but the main site isn't meta. LOVING hammer of correction guys, LOVING hammer :-)

Michael Hampton

I see a lot of questions get downvoted when the person is proposing to do something "bad".

@MichaelHampton yes, but why? People see downvotes and they scream and cry and wail and piss themselves (and stop reading the answers because Server Fault is ZOMG MEAN!)

5:38 PM

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Michael Hampton

I dunno, I didn't downvote it.

@voretaq7 Asker clearly hasn't thought through the implications of what they're attempting to do?

@voretaq7 The Loving part is meant to be Irony....

@84104 if that's our standard for downvoting everything on the site should be around -30 :)

@Adrian I sleep with my rock hammer. And a gun. And a can of mace. And an actual mace...

@voretaq7 I don't see a problem here?

5:39 PM

@voretaq7 Well, makes for interesting bedtime fun, I suppose.

@Iain Fuck yeah paleontology

@MichaelHampton I didn't downvote it until every request for clarification was greeted with ~FOAD, and thank me for the privilege of helping my pathetic ass.

@Adrian Rawr.

@JoelESalas just a couple of bits of rock I picked up on the foreshore on my last vacation

@voretaq7 Now if my last GF had slept next to a collection like that, I'd have been worried, Especially since she was generally able to bench-press more than I weigh.

5:43 PM

@84104 I'm still on a "be nice to the noobs" kick. We need noobs. Noobs are future competent sysadmins. (unless we chase them off and they start learning this sort of stuff on the street - then we start finding systems in the wild with pam_giantsecurityhole that lets you log in as any user if you type xyzzy as the password -- it solved his problem after all :)

Michael Hampton

Great, now I have to put learn systemtap on the to-do list.

@MichaelHampton whyso?

I rarely needed stap.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite It looks cool. Though it'll probably be at the bottom of the list :)

I'm scared to click the Craigslist link that @Chopper3 linked

I obviously need to drink more. My Puppet code was failing because I was using " characters around the resource name. Works fine if it's not quoted or single quotes?

Michael Hampton

5:47 PM

@JoelESalas Oh, there are no pictures on it.

@MichaelHampton Still gets logged in the corporate firewall, my friend

@JoelESalas Oh, it's extra bad...

@JoelESalas "Woman DM needed for D&D based Adult Bachelor Party (Pringe George's County, MD)"

though they specifically ask that the DM candidates not send nude photos

@voretaq7 It's because they're classy.

(and I will say the two campaigns I was in that were run by women - I don't know if it's a valid representative sample, but women do seem to make better DMs.)

5:53 PM

@voretaq7 Heh, that post has made the rounds out west.

@voretaq7 Thank you

@voretaq7 The only two women I knew who were into D&D: #1 was certifiably crazy with an artistic flare #2 was certifiably crazy with psychopathic tenancies and possible bi-polar disorder.

So, how long does a R5 to R6 conversion usually take on a 3TB volume?

As long as a rebuild?

Longer?

@MDMarra Only until the first URE. =]

I just realized I have no idea how the disks even do this

5:57 PM

@MDMarra Longer.

This has been running since 9:30a and is only 23% complete

Get some coffee.
Like, green beans from the jungle. You've probably got enough time to have a civet eat them and shit them out too if you want.

@ChrisS The odds of a URE on a 3TB volume is low, good sir.

@MDMarra Well, you know, "punctured stripes" not withstanding and all. :D

@MDMarra Longer. Must recompute parity on both parity disks.

and keep a sync marker

5:58 PM

@HopelessN00b Oh god. Don't start saying that. It'll show up in google results and give reputability to the term.

@MDMarra just don't yell at your disks.

@voretaq7 I love that video

@HopelessN00b punctured the stripe and all the data leaked out - it's ok though - we had a repair kit.

Well, stripes. Big data offset changes.

@MDMarra Not unexpected. I set those things going overnight, and check in around lunch to get a decent ETA on completion.

5:59 PM

Whatever

@JeffFerland Reminds me. What's the effect of puncturing a bigger stripe? Like does a puncture in a thin stripe cause more data to leak out than a puncture in a thick stripe?

@HopelessN00b I would imagine "full stripes" leak faster?

If anybody has a spare HP Scanjet let me know. I wanna try something like this: Somebody That I Used to Know - Old School Computer Remix

@HopelessN00b I think this really depends on your free space pressure. The more pressure you have, the faster the leak.

6:02 PM

@MDMarra Oh, a 3TB volume.. Thought you mean you were using 3TB disks in a R5 switching to R6.... Time for moar caffeine

Nah. It's a 15 x 300GB disk shelf currently configured in a 13 disk R5 with 2 hot spares

After I'm done it's going to be a 14 disk R6 with 1 hot spare

And then I get to do it 12 more times on 12 other shelves.

@MDMarra You're at least consulting and not FTE there... right?

Heh, no I am.

If I was consulting, I'd recommend their staff do this.

Condolences.

It's actually a pretty decent place. Good environment, good pay. Just some guys that are old school.

They're accepting to new ideas, they just don't seek them out themselves it seems

6:06 PM

Was gonna say ~150 billable hours for no effort, but that doesn't really apply in the FTE case. More like 2 work weeks of ass-pain instead.

It's really probably like 15 minutes worth or work total

It's not like I'm physically moving blocks around.

@MDMarra ....you could be :-P

Right. Even with checking in on it, 30 mins per shelf, tops. And a lot of waiting with thumb-up-butt. Or where ever you personally prefer to store your thumb.

URE may refer to:
Unrecoverable Read Error (disk drive storage technology)

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6:08 PM

Wikipedia links that directly to the page on RAID5

WTF why is that sideways?

@voretaq7 Someone pulled a prank on you using an inverted matrix

there. that's better.

Gah, damn you Avamar. What possible justification can there be for something making me RTFFM to do a simple system restore? :/ Bastids.

Oh, dammit. Having TFFM might help in reading it. Gah.

6:26 PM

Fascinating. Default Puppet behavior is that it will add entries to /etc/fstab but it will not clean out entries that have been modified. That's irritating.

@Adrian shitty software!

The default mount resource is kinda limited...

And everyone should have the stress utility handy.

Ah, wonderful, it's not an issue, I'm just an illiterate moron. Seems like something to work on tomorrow, though. Have a good one, all.

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A: Apache/Windows is very slow on only local network

most likely have something to do with DNS

You don't say!

@Zoredache Honestly, I'd be okay with that if it didn't try and manage my fstab too. Anything it should be able to do it should handle undoing. That IS, after all, their justficiation for not providing 'mkdir -p' parent directory creation with the 'recurse => true' option.

6:36 PM

@Adrian Which version of Puppet?

@JoelESalas Just popped for 3.0 yesterday.

Fsck! 3.0 on master, 2.7 on client. Will update and post back.

Well, that's a new one. CentOS6 has a newer Puppet version than Ubuntu 12.04

@Adrian CentOS is MOAR ENTERPRISSSESSESE

@JoelESalas You forgot your MOAR in there.

MOAR ENTERPRISSSESSESE

@JoelESalas See! NOW you're cookin!

@Adrian Why would Ubuntu care about puppet versions? No one uses it to manage their Dell netbook. ;)

@MDMarra =P

6:46 PM

@MDMarra DevOps

I want to change jobs

Michael Hampton

@Adrian If you're on the puppetlabs repos, you automatically got updated to 3.0.0.

"Devops Cloud Infrastructure Engineer"

or something like that

I bet you get buckets of money just thrown at you

@MichaelHampton True. It's a dev setup anyway. Might as well run the new stuff.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian So perhaps your CentOS box is getting puppet from the puppetlabs repo, and the Ubuntu box isn't

6:50 PM

@MichaelHampton Yeah, it is now that I think about it.

Not even sure you can get Puppet on CentOS w/o the puppetlabs repo

Michael Hampton

@Adrian It's in EPEL

EPEL only has 2.7 though

anyone of you have the vcenter converter boot image?

vmware seems happy about removing it from their site, when customers actually use it to convert stuff

@MichaelHampton Sure enough. I think I simply ran through the instructions from last spring when setting this box up.

WhyTF does staff think we support anything they bring to us that uses electrons?

@pauska I got an email for DEVOPS ENGINEER 6 MOS CONTRACT. $125/hr

I actually read it through

frown

7:01 PM

@pauska Come to God's country. Los Angeles

Dear Valued Customer,
The purpose of this letter is to inform you of our end of availability plans for VMware Converter Boot CD and Converter 3. Converter Boot CD is currently available for older Converter versions and provides Converter cold-cloning functionality.
As of May 7, 2012, we will no longer be providing Converter Boot CD or Converter 3. However, more recent Converter product versions will continue to be available as public software binaries and offered as free downloads.

wow, vmware, you are so fucking great some times

just skip the fact that the newer converters don't do cold cloning

@pauska I think you forgot that they don't actually care about anything that doesn't make them cubic meters of money. =)

7:17 PM

telnet://miku.acm.uiuc.edu

@Iain Does sshd accept the UK spelling (Authorised) too, or is that a typo in your answer? (I've never actually tried the UK spelling)

7:32 PM

@voretaq7 Always has amused me that there's a high-end CS school back there in corn country where I grew up.

makin' nyancats

@voretaq7 @adrian That's where I went to school!

@ewwhite I think we've even talked about that before. I toured the campus back in the 1980s when I was there for a seminar on commercial rabbit farming.

It was only 100 miles away from where I lived. But in the Midwest, hardly anybody travels that far very often until there's a real need.

Or at least didn't back then. =/

@Adrian Wabbits?

yowa waising wabbits adwian?

@voretaq7 Yep. I love me some hossenpfeffer too. Mmmm.

7:43 PM

Do you guys have a lot of savings?

@ewwhite define "a lot"?

@ewwhite Nope. My Ex got most of it. It'll be a few years before I can do that again. Gotta pay off what she ran up.

@voretaq7 Someone just told me that I should have $1-2 million in the bank.

@ewwhite Sure, by the time you retire.

And 1-2M in gold bullion certificates, maybe. Inflation-proof.

I no longer trust that the recent increases in market value are anything but a reaction to inflation pressures from the Fed.

@Adrian What the heck. I thought you were like 23 or something like that..

guess you're young at mind then

7:46 PM

@pauska Heh. That was almost what I was when I got married 15+ years ago.

@ewwhite well, that someone obviously has a lot more income than most of us..

@pauska Old and Idealistic. Very common pattern in this locale.

I don't invest... I should.

yeah, like a home

@ewwhite mmhmm, yeah if I had that much in the bank I'd be retired.

7:48 PM

in the long end, nothing can remotely compare to the value of properties, though it has it backside.. if you sell your house/appartment/whatever in 20 years from now you're going to buy something else that's (probably) even more expensive at that time

I hate it when OPs delete questions for which an answer I left has upvotes =(

@pauska probably true. I have two properties now.

--- /home/alfred/mail ---
                        /..

    1.6GiB [##########]  Trash
    1.1GiB [#######   ]  Sent
  220.4MiB [#         ]  Trashbkp
   68.7MiB [          ]  Marketing
   11.8MiB [          ] /.imap
    5.0MiB [          ]  QAI - NOGALES

@ewwhite I try to keep at least 6 months of living expenses in the bank (covering all my fixed expenses)

and I have my IRA which isn't worth what I'd like to see it be worth

@voretaq7 also makes sense. I try for 18 months... but I need to do the right thing on the investing front.

The above paste is from a mail server... see anything odd?

you gotta tell me first what kind of tool that did that output

cause /.imap looks like a very, very wrong path

[2012-10-04 21:36:01.515 09884 error 'wizardController'] Unable to submit job: vmodl.fault.SystemError
[2012-10-04 21:36:01.515 08248 error 'ConversionState'] Submit job failed: A general system error occurred: Invalid fault
[2012-10-04 21:36:01.516 08248 error 'ConverterWizardWindow'] Next/Finish failed: A general system error occurred: Invalid fault

PLZ FIX THIS FOR ME KTHX

7:54 PM

@pauska Oh, that's ncdu.

@voretaq7 That's my goal to get back up to that. It's going to be a slog through as I have about 25k to pay off still.

The user keeps important docs in Trash

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@ewwhite As near as I can tell, 10-20% of email users do as well.

It's not too difficult to come up with a graphic analogy for that...

E.g. woud you dig through the trash for that half-eaten burrito from Chipotle?

@ewwhite I currently have probably a year or more, but I'm about to get a plane painted this winter…

@ewwhite WHERE NOBODY WILL THINK TO STEAL ALL MY BRILLIANT IDEARS!

7:58 PM

The client emailed me... "we ran out of space on the mail server!!!"

@ewwhite Trashbkp <-- that one really makes it awesome.

@voretaq7 That's a lot of fucking money. I have a long way to go to keep that much saved up.

So they're all like, can you help us figure out what's consuming space?

ncdu...

Okay, a lot of people with big Trash folders.

I told them to : > Trash and be done with it.

echo "baleeted" > Trash

They wouldn't do it!

it's an important user

8:01 PM

We have a rule in Cyrus to clean out Trashed messages older than 366 days.

@JoelESalas In my case it is, but it depends on how you define living expenses. For me it's $500/mo for food & gas, $200/mo for phone/internet, $100/mo for electricity, $1200/mo in shelter, and $600/mo in other expenses => 2900, call it $3k/mo. That's the stuff I can't easily shed.

We'd been growing in mail consumption ~2G per month. It's down to 500M/month now even with an increase in staff growth.

If I were on the skids I'd turn off the internet and use my phone (drops about $100/mo), and consider selling the plane (which is the bulk of the "other expenses"). If I don't drive much the $500/mo stretches a lot further...

@voretaq7 You're among friends, you can be open about your $600/mo bar tab.

@JoelESalas ...that's part of the food & fuel budget. I can drink well whisky for a while.

8:06 PM

I'm like $6200/mo.

ridiculous.

includes data center costs, though.

@ewwhite that's about a hundred bucks of my other fixed expenses... but again if I were in dire straits I'd take bsd-box.net down for a while.

Michael Hampton

Wait... Trash... BACKUP?

@voretaq7 I'd host it for you in solidarity

@MichaelHampton Yes... it's a UI issue... People have a one-button filing system.

(DELETE)

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Do people even know what "Delete" means?

8:11 PM

@MichaelHampton move to trash.

recycle bins for everyone!

@JoelESalas yaaaay!

Michael Hampton

I think I am going to rename the trash can "Shredder".

@MichaelHampton yeah!

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DevOps... I don't even know what these terms are!

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Q: Veewee, Vagrant, Puppet, Erlang and RabbitMQ

I am kinda stuck with a problem I am trying to wrap my head around for days now. Here is what I am doing: By using Veewee, I am creating a VirtualBox image and then I create a Vagrant box from it. See here, here Finally I run puppet from Vagrant to install RabbitMQ, see here. This worked fin...

puppet rabbitmq vagrant erlang

same here

perhaps we should suggest a devops.stackexhange.com

Michael Hampton

veewee seems to be a front end to vagrant... am I wrong in thinking that's just a bit too meta?

8:24 PM

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Proposed Q&A site for dedicated DevOps engineers looking to improve the interoperation between development and operations.

Currently in definition.

Michael Hampton

Where's the Dislike button?

How do I mark it as a dup of SF too...

@voretaq7 I wondered the same thing.

I wish Splunk was more open with their prices.

@WesleyDavid somewhere between your left nut and your right one.

@voretaq7 "Splunk. We accept anything. And we do mean any thing."

There. Even more lecherous.

dammit grammars

Michael Hampton

8:36 PM

The user who proposed it doesn't seem to have a SF account.

@voretaq7 You need 2K rep on Area 51...

@MichaelHampton pfft, yeah like THAT'LL ever happen.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, exactly.

and @basil - Y U ASK KWESTION ON DEVOPS PROPOSAL? :P

(2 of those are great SF questions, the other one is a great Workplace question. Though un-bunching panties may also be a Fashion question if that proposal ever gets some traction)

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Clothing and Fashion

Proposed Q&A site for people who are enthusiastic about fashion, and about clothing, tailoring, cobbling, hatmaking, haberdashery and bespoke or couture clothing items.

Currently in definition.

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Proposed Q&A site for connoisseurs and lovers of whisky/ey - be it Scotch, bourbon, rye, Tennessee, Irish, Canadian, Japanese, or any other style.

Currently in definition.

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Proposed Q&A site for pilots, ATCs, mechanics, aero-engineers, students and enthusiasts.

Currently in definition.

if any of those interest you go follow them so they can start moving :P

OK people, git for Windows? What do I use? GO!

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB VMware Workstation?

8:43 PM

@MichaelHampton Har har.

@MikeyB are you expecting a GUI, or what?

@Zoredache Sure!

Michael Hampton

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Q: What GUIs exist for Git on Windows

I use Subversion via TortoiseSVN but I hear good things about Git. Are there any similar tools available for Git on Windows? Feel free to answer with tools which still in early development.

windows git gui version-control dvcs

@MichaelHampton Sweet, TY

Aww!

To clarify, spiders are not on-topic here. Ever

@MikeyB SmartGit?

Michael Hampton

8:48 PM

There's also GitHub for Windows.

@MichaelHampton <spits>

Are you actually solving a problem? — Joel E Salas 39 secs ago

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 I really like GitHub for Mac, and I wish there was a Linux version...

@MichaelHampton Hang your head in shame. Git is a command-line tool

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@JoelESalas Awww

Michael Hampton

8:52 PM

@JoelESalas I am not a bigot. I will happily use a GUI if it makes me more efficient.

@MichaelHampton I've never encountered a GUI that made me more efficient. GUIs do many things, but be efficient isn't one of them

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas Oh, it's quite rare, but it can happen.

@MichaelHampton What I'm thinking is Nagios configurators. They let you create config files REALLY easily. It's not efficient exactly, but it ensures you don't make silly mistakes.

Michael Hampton

Bah, Nagios is something that you almost NEED a configurator for. Though that can be scripted easily enough.

@MichaelHampton I wouldn't say easily, but it can certainly grow organically from something like an existing Puppet install base

8:58 PM

@MichaelHampton There's probably a TortiseGIT, I use TortiseHG and it works great...

Michael Hampton

Not to mention, every time I'm tempted to script something, I consider whether somebody else has already tried to solve the problem and published an open source program for it.

@ChrisS Yes, there is. But I'm not the one looking for a GUI :)

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