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12:00 AM
we have an enterprise grade (client-serving) infrastructure, but a skeleton staff
 
pfo
so the company is highly profitable ;) ?
 
downside of being in the medical field: We have to be VERY fiscally conservative until mid-late this year when insurance codes are finalized and we can start really collecting some scratch
@pfo not "highly", but we're in the black on an annual basis. I don't think we've cleared our initial investment hole yet though.
(that's part of why I'm not spending my full budgets though -- this last year we shelled out $OBSCENE in consulting and legal fees for our CPT codes and various private insurance coverage things)
part of that stuff eats into my schedule which makes it hard to spend the cash, but also a lot of that cash is better spent on stuff that will advance the business and improve long-term profitability rather than "nice to have" enhancements like making our failover firewall a 64-bit machine :P
 
pfo
now i get the picture
 
Real science at work here people
 
and then there's stuff that lands on my desk and gets thrown on the floor (like taking our website out of 1995 -- Yeah the site is shit, but it's not the product, and I have better things to do than write marketing content)
 
pfo
12:06 AM
i really dislike working in small companies
 
@pfo I have very mixed feelings about it
I worked at an ISP before this, and consulted for banks before that
 
pfo
i mean i work alone quite often
but i've had my share of small companies
 
in both cases the environments were total clusterfucks that we couldn't fix because the changes were too disruptive
 
pfo
i can imagine that quite vividly
 
here I was able to get buy-in on that disruption based on long-term benefits (we went from 95% and 97% uptime the year before I started and the year I came onboard to routinely exceeding 99.9% general and hitting 100% when discounting scheduled outages/maintenance)
A lot of that credit goes to our software team fixing bugs, but an equally large chunk of it is the infrastructure reorg I started when I got here (which got put to the test last year when one of our switches blew up - I'm very proud to gloat over the fact that it was a non-event)
 
12:11 AM
@pfo I just left a ~170 people company and I'm now in a 20 people company. There's definitely pluses and minuses to both, but I'm definitely preferring the smaller place (thankfully!). My opinion actually seems to count here, and we can get stuff done without as much red tape, which is nice
 
and ya know - monitoring. Monitoring helps too.
 
@BenPilbrow Thats one benefit of Small companies. Not having to wait for other people/departments
 
pfo
@voretaq7 so true, but i've never seen it done right.
and i'm not sure it can be done right.
 
@BenPilbrow we actually have MORE red tape here than at the ISP (because we're in an FDA-Regulated industry and have ISO-13485 requirements) :-(
@pfo My system is pretty close
 
pfo
@care to elaborate?
 
12:12 AM
So did everyone see the trillion-frame per second capturing of light actually moving through a bottle?
 
key indicators are monitored, metrics are tracked, and my pager doesn't explode for no reason.
 
@WesleyDavid how do you capture such a thing? It'd have to be some dense-ass glass in a vacuum chamber, no?
 
@voretaq7: the last one can be fixed.
 
Double slit, mofos!
 
12:13 AM
@WesleyDavid ohh yeahhh I forgot about that little principle of physics.
 
pfo
@voretaq7 i'm in the behavioral monitoring camp.
 
coherent light sources for the win!
 
pfo
more like unit testing for youre infrastructure
 
@JourneymanGeek "silencing the alert doesn't make the problem go away"
 
pfo
and i consider monitoring + trending/history + central log to be the absolute base
 
12:14 AM
@pfo Behavioral monitoring is part of the answer definitely.
 
@voretaq7: i was thinking more of a directed EMP ;p
 
@voretaq7 Time for me to go read some books on monitoring. I might get some budget to do that later this year too.
 
pfo
@voretaq7 but that would need APIs and other interfaces into apps that don't exist.
 
the ISP was a nightmare - The monitoring system was fine, the infrastructure was FUCKED, and everyone blamed monitoring.
 
pfo
how do you capture if your mail-infrastructure "is up"?
do you send an email from outside and check it it arrives on the inside?
 
12:16 AM
"No, it's NOT the monitoring system's fault the server is running out of disk space. The server was underprovisioned 10 years ago and needs to be replaced. Raising the threshold will not fix the problem."
 
@pfo: and look at the logs
 
@pfo first you define "up"
 
pfo
@voretaq7 that is the thing!
@voretaq7 that is the first and foremost question that needs an answer.
 
preferably on both ends. I had a system that would recieve mails sent by telnet, and not a real e mail server ;p
(no not production, or anywhere near professional grade, but ...)
 
for example, our database cluster is only "up" if:
1) It answers ping
2) It answers SNMP (host-resources)
3) It answers DB sanity queries
4) It answers DB Status queries
5) It answers business-logic trending queries
failures on that chain will put it in any of warning/alarm/critical/down states
 
pfo
12:17 AM
@voretaq7 with "mock" data or real data?
 
@pfo known real data for the sanity query
thresholds for the others
 
You're right. It does make one feel slightly unclean to earn rep over on SU.
 
e.g. "nTests Received is valid (>0)", "nConnections_Active <= 80% of max connections"
 
pfo
@voretaq7 that is certainly the right direction, yeah.
how do you do trending/historical data?
 
similar to our app status check that does a login as a dedicated unprivileged user: Log in and confirm you got back a 200/OK and a specific string appears. Any other status code or absence of the string is a failure.
@pfo for the stuff we track InterMapper forwards it all to a Postgres database and we use their reporting tools plus a few custom queries I've written.
 
pfo
12:21 AM
do you have all your stuff in a central tool or do you have to check multiple systems?
 
I want to start tracking more stuff - we really don't do trending as well as I'd like.
 
pfo
i never understood how ppl can run nagios and be satisfied
 
yes :)
If the charts are created on the InterMapper server they're available from InterMapper's remote access client (where all the other stuff is configured/reported).
If they're not and we're just storing it you have to log in to the reports server and query it (also if you want data beyond the chart's aging thresholds)
@pfo NAGIOS IS A FESTERING BOIL ON SATAN'S LEFT BUTTCHEEK.
I have NEVER seen a Nagios installation that wasn't total crap. It's impossible to configure, a huge pain in the ass to maintain, and honestly it's worse than homegrown scripts.
 
pfo
i mean how can you possibly know what 85% CPU utilization means on a box without history - it can either be completely ok since it was like that since the machine got into service or it can be hell happening and someone botnet'ing your stuff but without proper trending/histroy you cannot answer that question.
 
InterMapper isn't free, but it's worth the cash.
 
pfo
12:23 AM
@voretaq7 can't agree more!
 
@voretaq7 You're using that one for monitoring or just trending?
 
oh my god FUCK CPU UTILIZATION!
I don't care! I want to see 100% utilization on all cores!
As long as the box is responding I don't care if the CPUs are pegged - I set the thresholds to 101% and don't trend it.
@AdrianK both
you need to run "InterMapper Datacenter" for trending, but it's free.
 
pfo
well it can be updatedb running your shared storage or something running for(;;){} but you monitoring should make it easy to see what is happening
 
Intermapper itself can do trending (strip charts) but IMDC is so much better.
 
@voretaq7 You monitor load average instead?
 
12:25 AM
@pfo I care about load average.
 
pfo
@that was just one example, swap it for disk utilization.
 
yup.
I don't care if the system is pegging the CPU as long as nobody's actively waiting for it
 
Cool. load avg is where Ubuntu bites us on the ass and keeps chewing.
 
@pfo disk, RAM and Swap are meaningful IMHO
 
pfo
i hate ubuntu server every year more and more
 
12:26 AM
Ubuntu can sit on my Naughty Narwhal's horn.
Piece of shit OS breaks on the second reboot after upgrades -- bite me.
 
pfo
@voretaq7 that's not my point, my point is that you absolutely need history and trending and possibly audit and be able to correlate.
 
@pfo oh yeah definitely. Those three metrics we trend
for example I know net-snmp has a memory leak (related to running external commands)
 
pfo
yeah, canonical suck balls. what they've done to linuxland in past years is beyond comprehension.
 
I know this because you can see swap utilization creep upwards about a meg every 2-3 weeks, and if you look @ the fattest process by swap you see it's snmpd
lol@flag -- who flagged @MDMarra's VTC message?
 
@pfo If anyone could suggest a enterprise-supportable desktop linux GUI that is integrated with LTSP, I'd be hassling my boss to migrate us starting tomorrow.
 
pfo
12:29 AM
@AdrianK feeling your pain
 
@AdrianK we use it because it's the easiest way to bootstrap a Linux desktop for our field units
 
pfo
i'm glad i don't work on the desktop side of things
 
but we manage them with radmind now -- trying to manage them using apt lead to that "breaks on the SECOND reboot behavior.
@pfo I keep touting InterMapper because (a) it's cheap (for pay-for monitoring software), (b) the suck quotient is relatively low, and (c) the suck is mostly tangental to my use case.
 
@voretaq7 Same here. We have to run LTS releases here. COnsidering our hardware stays in place for ~7 years, I don't want to have to do full nuke & paves 4 times over the hardware's lifetime.
 
plus it swallows Nagios probes if you're migrating, and writing your own intermapper probes is dead-simple.
 
pfo
12:32 AM
i'm currently deploying zenoss with most of my clients
 
@AdrianK we had to move off LTS because our underlying harware changed and the LTS release doesn't support the new network chipset. Bastards.
 
pfo
sucks quite a lot, but i can bear with it.
 
I've never worked with zenoss, heard good things tho.
Also heard good things about Zabbix.
the problem with InterMapper is you HAVE to use the GUI.
 
pfo
i personally reject most of things based on PHP
 
@voretaq7 that sucks. I'm hoping that 12.04LTS will be usable after I rip Unity out of it.
 
12:33 AM
(well you can write your own, but practically you have to use theirs)
@AdrianK 11.10 is usable with unity extracted.
 
pfo
@AdrianK heh
@AdrianK best of luck :P
 
unity is a festering vortex of suck. So much is hardcoded
 
pfo
i spun up the pangolin alpha a few days ago
it sucks soo badly on so many fronts.
 
@voretaq7 I just got 11.10 working standalone w/ Unity ripped out. We'll see if the LTSP stuff still functions.
 
like seriously - Back in 1970 they hardcoded behavioral settings in their software. Then they realized that SUCKED and invented config files.
 
pfo
12:34 AM
@voretaq7 and the funny thing is that you can't use that pile of shit even on a tablet.
 
@pfo seriously - gnome-whateverthehellitis is usable on a tablet.
unity? Made of suck.
Unity GREETER is made of suck (font color: Hardcoded white. Hello! Developers! What if I want to have a WHITE background image on my greeter screen? Whose testicles do I remove??)
 
Call me grumpy if you must, but Shuttleworth's ego is a vast open sore.
 
@AdrianK He's the Larry Ellison of Linux distro leaders.
 
@voretaq7 I was thinking he was Steve Jobs, but you're probably right.
 
Mark's a lawnmower. Hardcode all the settings you want and drive the enterprise crowd crazy -- the lawnmower doesn't care!
The lawnmower doesn't care that the software isn't production ready - it just cuts the grass.
 
pfo
12:38 AM
but it's not only them
 
seriously, when I found out I had to recompile the unity greeter to get rid of the dot overlay? That's when I decided Ubuntu was for shit.
 
pfo
gnome3/shell out of box sucks, KDE 4.x sucks, unity sucks.
 
@pfo gnome3 is usable, and can be customized.
The customization is three different kinds of pain, suffering and malice, but it can be done.
 
pfo
that may be true with all of the addons and plugins and for 3.2
 
Unity? Can't even remove the file browser from the launcher.
Some of us don't WANT our users browsing the filesystem, ***JACKASS!***
 
12:39 AM
Why? Why can't I keep Gnome 2.28? It works and it does EVERYTHING that my users want and nothing that they don't. Because it doesn't feed Shuttleworth's ego. That's why....
 
Gnome3 is actually a little better for me & my specific use case. It''s not great, but it's an improvement
my users can't master "press alt+F1" to open an applications menu.
 
pfo
intermapper is kind of cheap
i'll suggest it to some clients
 
@voretaq7 try social workers sometime =(
Thanks for the Show & Tell, @voretaq7. Much appreciated. I'll take a peek tomorrow for any other tidbits you wish to share. Time to go cook salmon for the ladyfriend.
 
@AdrianK not as bad as medical technicians :P
also seriously - who the hell downvoted the community elections meta topic?
@pfo the initial buy-in is pretty steep. Annual maintenance is not bad though.
And they'll work with you for educational pricing - possibly non-profit too.
 
pfo
the price is not a problem at all
 
12:44 AM
@pfo they offer 5-device licenses for free (or you can build out as big as you want but it stops working after an hour) so you can demo it all too.
 
pfo
the specific client i'm thinking of can afford server hundred K per year on IT gear alone
so the price is really not a problem
 
a Remote Access license isn't strictly necessary (if you can do all your work in 1-hour blocks) but it's not bad.
@pfo pfft, drop in the bucket.
The ISP was grandfathered in on "unlimited" licenses which were like 3-4k/year in maintenance costs.
 
pfo
yeah, they have it all - large ciscos, multiple 100T netapps, vmware enterprise plus, etc.
 
and you really can put upwards of 1k probes on one server without much trouble.
 
pfo
but the gui is mac only?
 
12:46 AM
@pfo Windows definitely has a local console GUI, I think Linux does too
and RemoteAccess is available anywhere Java runs really (it's just a wrapper around a Java executable)
 
pfo
just looking at the screenies
 
If you want (built-in) WMI you need to use the Windows server though
@pfo it was a mac product for the longest time, and Mac is still the primary development platform
 
pfo
putting "No command lines" as a feature is somewhat dubious to me :)
can it correlate syslog events to performance data?
 
I co-authored a lot of the Cisco probes, and the Liebert UPS probes, and the APC UPS probes, and the Liebert AirCon probes...
 
pfo
@voretaq7 can you get WMI into that thing?
 
12:49 AM
@pfo unfortunately no - it can't act as loghost :(
@pfo yeah if you use the Windows server
(and with some care if you use a *NIX server that has Perl, but it's not as clean as using the Windows server)
 
pfo
but the netflow looks nice
 
@pfo Honestly I never used it. We had a home-grown solution at the ISP using JKFlow and distributed flow crunchers
(we also had like 1G/Minute of netflow data to crunch)
LOL - OMG the ISP's flow-cruncher is still open to the world.
I'm... not sharing that link.
 
@voretaq7 Pussy.
 
pfo
heh
 
@ScottPack I have no fear of letting people poke at it (it's pretty secure, I wrote the web interface)
but I don't want to be associated with giving out the URL to their live traffic :P
if anyone wants the code though I have that, and permission to share it.
 
12:53 AM
@voretaq7 Right. See above.
 
@ScottPack email me :P
or ask someplace not logged
wow... the anomaly detection really sucks.
 
pastebin is anonymous :3
 
Don't tempt me to gtalk you in the morning
 
I should yell at my replacement to read the damn manual and turn it off.
 
pfo
@voretaq7 you're running it on RHEL?
 
12:55 AM
@LucasKauffman yes, but then I'd have to post the pastebin here somehow...
kinda screws the anonymity.
@pfo FreeBSD. Don't tell anyone.
(we'll migrate to an officially supported platform one day)
 
@voretaq7 nah, Ill just refresh the page until I see a title called cookies :p
 
mmm...cookies
 
@LucasKauffman it...doesn't use cookies.... it presumes you're authorized.
 
Speaking of which. I have cookies and wine upstairs. Why am I down here?
 
it also includes this gem runs report
 
12:58 AM
@ScottPack addicted ?
 
....waits....
I got here by executing:
flow-cat -p /netflow/flows/saved/2012/01/09/ft-v05.2012-01-09.195052-0500 | flow-report -v SORT='octets ' -v SYM=' ' -v RECORDS='20' -s report-definitions -S conversations| ./process.pl
(yes it outputs its command line. It's so the NOC guys can see the commands and learn how to run it manually on the server. Only 2 ever did.)
((and yes it pipes it through a perl script that turns the CSV flow-report output into HTML))
wow - flow-tools is STILL on version 0.68 - I deployed this almost 5 years ago. no new releases either.
 
pfo
time for NSFW reddit and getting to bed, gnite!
 
lol yeah same here
laterZ
 
meh Im off to bed, exam in 8 hours nn!
 
1:41 AM
@voretaq7 We've recently made the switch from argus to netflow for most of our stuff. I'm thinking there might be something useful up in your noodle after all.
 
2:13 AM
Lol @ that guy flagging my VTC comment that had stars on it to try and bump his fw for the election.
 
@MDMarra Wait really? Huh?
 
2:32 AM
Go look in VTC. He flagged my post on the star wall from this afternoon
 
Wow, this "Jared" guy is a precious snowflake. He flips the flip out over being asked for more details? He gonna have a hard time in the Real World.
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Q: How to determine server requirements

JaredI am working with a local startup to help them get off their feet. I develop software and know enough about configuring servers to be dangerous, but by no means am I an expert (or "intermediate" for that matter). I am trying to help them determine the server requirements for getting up and runn...

@MDMarra Starred that comment for spite's sake.
Lucas is going to hate my commentary in the VTC room.
But at least I usually try to poeticize it. Let's see, last month it was abusing Charge of the Light Brigade. Maybe this month... "dead every enourmous piece" by ee cummings
 
2:52 AM
Wow, not sure why mailq got dogpiled on. I haven't seen anything particularly abrasive about him. Perhaps not going to get any Shirley Temple awards, but wow. Maybe I miss his more inflamatory contributions?
 
WHAT'S UP @WESLEYDAVID?
 
@RebeccaChernoff Popcorn spackle, unfortunately.
If you ever bump that stuff with a poor throw, you're vacuuming for a week.
 
decorating your computer case?
 
Don't ask why I'm throwing things so much in my house and hitting the ceiling.
Just... it's complicated.
 
@WesleyDavid how can I not ask now? |:
 
2:56 AM
@RebeccaChernoff I never thought about spackling a PC case though... that brings with it interesting possibilities.
Or perhaps I'll try some stucco.
Maybe some nice tile and grout work.
 
glad I could help out (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff Do you know how to level sand for ceramic tile?
 
@RebeccaChernoff SQUEEEEE!!
This StackExchange thing is awesome. They should make one for computers and stuff.
 
3:04 AM
@MDMarra He's seriously doing it wrong.
 
3:21 AM
@WesleyDavid are you still around?
 
@RebeccaChernoff Mhmm.
 
3:44 AM
Apparently you can mod-flag comments on nominations. Aaaaand they have a point.
 
@sysadmin1138 It was my pledge to marilize legajuana wasn't it? -.-
 
Mmm Hmm.
Or tea-pots, one or the other.
There, handled.
 
Beatings administered. Let the sniffling begin.
 
Power! Narrowly scoped, tightly constrained POWER! AHAHAHAAH
 
4:09 AM
@sysadmin1138 I think people are missing the part about SF being for professionals, not elementary school kids.
 
Yeah, flip tones. IIRC when we get to the primary stage we'll get another round of comments.
 
I will respond to all comments with pictures of Nyan cat.
Which is not entirely different from what I do anyway.
 
4:29 AM
If a job says "ten years experience needed" how cheeky is it to apply with only six or so years?
Personally, I think their insistence on ten years and strong preference for bachelors degree is classically misguided, so it already mildly puts me off, but it still seems like a good possibility.
 
4:45 AM
@WesleyDavid General rule of thumb when listing a job want ad is to double what you actually expect the apply. They'll get people who have virtually no experience still applying even through it says 10 years. The simple truth is that many people blatantly lie on applications and resumes. Being honest is a disadvantage at this point (getting caught is worse of course).
 
@ChrisS Yeah, I'm a bit too plain dealing I guess? If someone says "We need ten years' experience." I think:
But then I think "Dangit I can do that job though!!"
This is the downside to having gotten so many jobs through word of mouth, friends and family. Now in a new place with no deep connections, I'm in a whirlwind trying to figure out recruiter and job posting culture.
 
My initial assumption would be that recruiters are uniformly awful everwhere.
 
@Ward I've got one that's pretty good actually. The others have rubbed me the wrong way so far.
 
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Q: How many moderators do we need?

Shane MaddenThe moderator election states that there are two positions open. With the recent loss of Chopper3, this means that this is a net gain of 1. There's some discussion with regard to the specific count for this election; maybe some more general discussion is needed on how many moderators are needed...

 
@ShaneMadden Two, three and four new mods seems to be the most likely numbers. Anyone think we should have five or more?
 
4:57 AM
@WesleyDavid They can add it if they do. Those should be fine.
 
I'd venture an opinion that we could use 6 "active" mods, where we have 2 that would qualify for my definition of "active", 2 "semi-inactive", and 1 basically "inactive"
 
I wish I could vote on my own posts. To sock account or not to sock account... =P
 
@ChrisS You know we have 6 moderators, right?
Three active, three... well... not so active
 
@MarkHenderson I think you answered your own question.
 
@MarkHenderson I haven't been seeing nearly as many actions from Sam recently - which is why I said in that question that it really feels like we've got two truly active.
 
5:06 AM
@ShaneMadden Yeah Im just reading that now
 
I mean, it's not like I'm able to keep a running total of all the mod-hammer actions that I see, and a lot of them I don't see at all, so I can't really say; that's just where it feels like we are from what I gather.
 
@ShaneMadden I have good hard quantifiable stats about how much work each mod does
And what you assume is pretty much right
Splattne and sysadmin1138 have really picked up a lot of choppers workload between them
But our average handle time has jumped from about 1.5hrs to over 4hrs
 
Gotcha.
 
@MarkHenderson Sorry about that as of Christmas Vacation or so cough
=P
 
@WesleyDavid hah :P If you get elected I shall have my revenge
 
5:11 AM
@MarkHenderson dust in the wind music plays
 
@MarkHenderson And I'm not sure if you saw the post ( sysadmin1138.net/mt/blog/2012/01/… ), but 1138's got work picking up for a bit.
 
@MarkHenderson I came to a point where I realized I think I could better contribute by cleaning up crap than attempting to answer questions.
 
I felt the same when I nominated myself
(and tbh I didnt think I had a chance in hell of winning)
Well, it must not be affecting him too much, he's still done about 50% more flags than me :P
 
@MarkHenderson Haha, nice.
 
A'ight homies. I'm out for the night.
 
5:22 AM
@WesleyDavid See ya
 
Damn you @ShaneMadden - I took a while longer to put links in my answer to serverfault.com/questions/348343 and by the time i've done tat you've already had a +1
Looks like TomTom has got home from work and opened a beer already
 
@MarkHenderson Haha - yours is more thorough though, so +1 to that. And TomTom.. seems to be in rare form.
 
Few typos but nothing rude yet ;)
 
erg
since a long time?
 
@MarkHenderson Just wait, the cell phone server is coming right up!
 
5:28 AM
I thought only singaporeans used that, along with 'since young'
 
I voted to off-topic that one, anyway.
If I were in a feisty mood, I'd comment on TomTom's post that even these days not everything is HTTP/1.1 compliant (looking at you, Squid)
 
 
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7:17 AM
g'DAY
 
@Iain G'day Mr. Better-be-elected-as-a-moderator!
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A: How many moderators do we need?

WardI haven't read your whole post yet, I want to very quickly say: Iain should just be appointed, and then we need two other new moderators. It's unlikely that SE.inc is going to appoint Iain, so I totally agree that three new mods makes sense. This gets us a net gain of 2 compared to a month or ...

 
7:52 AM
Morning all!
 
8:11 AM
morning
 
8:28 AM
morning
 
Afternoon
 
today is to be spent writing an interface for an AS400 :/
 
I'm writing audit-checks with Powershell
could be worse I guess :)
 
Have a fun day today :)
Has anyone ever modulated their home/office network into their mains electricity wiring?
I've never heard of anyone actually doing this, and whether it is viable.
 
@Greg: homeplug? it should work, in theory, as long as they're in the same loop
there's quite a few questions on it on SU and security.se, it seems to be
 
8:39 AM
@JourneymanGeek I've ordered a couple of those and a hub with in-built power modultor.
 
 
Acts as a regular switch, but gets its network connection from the power source
@JourneymanGeek I meant switch not hub
 
ahh
I'd be tempted if i could hook it into my regular network
 
8:41 AM
@JourneymanGeek well watch this space, mine will be arriving later today so I'll be playing around then
 
granted, i'd upgrade my WRT54GL, if it would just die
 
I wanted to eliminate the need for wireless networking - living in an old town house with thick walls really doesn't help the signal.
 
I've been using them for 3 years
 
plus I have a network security camera that I want to mount on my shed
 
The topcom ones tend to break easy
 
8:42 AM
Now my garden shed has an ethernet port!
@BartDeVos You would recommend the system?
 
For home use: sure
beats drilling holes everywhere
 
@Greg: Lets see, two modems (there's a reason for that), two independant wireless networks. Naturally the gig-e capable router is nowhere near the pre-existing cabling ;p
(and is an ADSL modem so i cannot move it)
 
I got a throughput of about 60 Mbps
(with 200 MBps models)
 
@JourneymanGeek don't think it can cope with more than one network
 
they suffer from interferance quite bad. Don't plug them on next to stereo's or old (CRT) TV's.
It has VLANs
I've got 2 at home. WAN and LAN
 
8:45 AM
@BartDeVos @JourneymanGeek ah there you go
 
@Greg: naw, i'd just like to be able to connect to the wirely inaccessable router
people still have CRTs? ;p
 
Well, mine do. I've been using Develo ;)
My mother does... ugh
 
(ok, i have one. Waiting for it to explode)
 
she won't throw anything out until it catches fire
 
ha! I read that as until she catches fire
 
8:46 AM
@BartDeVos: Same reason i have three empty gutted computer cases ;p
well two
i threw out one
and will probably magically turn another one into something nice
 
(fun story; our freezer actually did catch fire, after 30 years of service)
 
@BartDeVos: that won't happen with modern appliances. they'll fail immediately after the warranty runs out
 
@JourneymanGeek true :)
 
unless you actually want it to fail
 
Yarrrrrr good mornin maties
 
8:56 AM
Hi!
Pirate day?
 
Morning.
 
Dan
9:10 AM
Morning
 
9:24 AM
@Greg My Dad's university uses those things for networking printers that are in very difficult to get to locations
(the buildings are about 200 years old, so running network cables is... difficult, and because they're so old they're all on the same circuit)
 
Ah well I guess that answers my fears of being stumped by old electrics
 
Dan
9:39 AM
@Greg As @MarkHenderson points out, the problems occur when they're not on the same circuit. I've seen them work very nicely in a pinch, but I've also seen them do sweet FA :D
 
@Chopper3: I'm now sitting in a Embody
 

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