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@Cakemox: The odds are 100% (Invoking Sod's law)

Cakemox

Good point.

Okay, I think I figured it out... 1 - (0.15 ** (y+1))

11:31 AM

blogs.technet.com/b/exchange/archive/2010/10/06/3411240.aspx

argh.. why no UPN support :(

12:20 PM

quick question guys - can you import new records into MS DNS server? I know you export them but I'm not very well and being dim

Yes (from memory)

Obligatory reminder...it's FRIDAY, FRIDAY, GOTTA GET DOWN ON FRIDAY...pushing 90 million views on YouTube. That is all.

is it related to social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverNIS/thread/…

?

but ... why can't it be sunday sunday ...

Because then tomorrow would be monday and monday sucks.

hmm, you've got me there

12:26 PM

I should have @'ed that. @Chopper3, is it related to social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverNIS/thread/…

Now that I look, the GUI doesn't prvoide for importing a list (AD Integrated), only exporting it...

that's great, thanks

sucks a bit that eh

How many times do we see end users asking things that perhaps they should ask their IT department about on the exchange?

I'm getting that feeling here serverfault.com/questions/257309/cisco-ip-phone-set-up

many, many times, the ones I don't get are the ones where they come to SF to get around their sysadmins, bit like asking a cop how to plan a robbery

I could be misreading it but it sounds like "I came into my office and have this new toy and wonder how I can configure it instead of my IT people who put it here." I'm hoping I'm misreading the situation though.

12:29 PM

it's greate when they then get mad that we lambast them for asking

@BartSilverstrim yea if it's his first 79xx phone those are a f'in pita to setup

That tag part near the answer box...know someone who may know the answer, links to twitter/facebook/blah,...needs a link to the comms room for heckling.

someone needs to take XML away from the dev team as cisco (and polycom)

Guys, I've got the access point I want to set up so I can use my laptop in the office, but is there a way I can turn all that security stuff off, so I don't have to rememeber another password?

yes,

rmdir /s/q

(I Had someone ask me a similar question in a pub)

12:31 PM

@SmallClanger You may as well just bring in your own AP from home. Just give it the MAC of your office notebook. You'll be online in no time.

Your co-workers will thank you for making their work life easier with open wifi

Trust me on this

Thanks, @jscott. I'll do just that. Can't believe why that idiot in IT keeps telling me it's not a good idea. I sometimes wonder what we pay him for...

For srs... It's like the IT staff doesn't know how to do this stuff.

@SmallClanger I did that, and it works just fine for me.

how do you accidentally rename libc?

That's a good one. Cat typing?

CAT LIKE TYPING DETECTED

bitboost.com/pawsense

I can't seem to find a Linux port though... Maybe that was their problem.

12:40 PM

Wow.

hahah

nice

For people that can't use ctl-alt-del-lock computer.

Windows + L

Be better to have "DRUNK-LIKE TYPING DETECTED."

Win+L for the erm.. win.

12:41 PM

$23? I'd be curious to know what the sales are on it.

Did you read the FAQ?

sigh No "UserSense" software available.

Scott Pack

@BartSilverstrim That's like asking if he read the documentation, or asked for directions!

You should read the FAQ for the software.

I hate to interrupt with a question ;), but are there any Cisco guys around that could give me a hand with setting up my VPN? I just posted a question. serverfault.com/questions/257343/…

ITHedgeHog

Afternoon guys

@ITHedgeHog mornin

ITHedgeHog

12:50 PM

How is the @Zypher today?

not too bad

be better after today ... last day of commuting from philly

@AdamRobinson you need to use the Cisco VPN client, your SmartNet contract should allow you to download the latest versoin of the client

@Zypher I'm going to be supporting several remote machines, and would prefer to avoid having to install additional software if at all possible. Is it simply not possible to use the Windows VPN client with my ASA?

no you have to use cisco's client

although you can create an automated installer that will set everything up in one click

(ok techincally two ...)

Hm, I guess I'm just confused because the VPN wizard in ASDM specifically lists the option of supporting the Windows client through L2TP/IPSec

While that's what i selected and it clearly isn't working, I'm just confused as to why it would be there if it's impossible

no idea i don't use the ASDM

12:55 PM

The additional hiccup here is that we purchased this ASA through NewEgg (our first Cisco device, and we get most of our hardware from them), but I've come to find out that I think this means we have no SmartNet contract

I'm not suggesting anything here...

But certain universities use the Cisco VPN client

And make the software available right on their website

Full installer and everything

Hi

you gotta have a cisco login with smartnet enabled to download the client

there is a cd attached with the ASA when you buy it, theres a client on it

No idea about the L2TP bit.. its a standard, so it should work.. perhaps you should consult google? :)

@AdamRobinson you can go buy a Smartnet contract at anytime ...

@pauska No offense, but I'm aware of all of this already ;) I wouldn't be asking a question if I had been able to solve it through Google.

You'd be surprised of the number of people who doesnt do any homework before coming to this site.. my attitude might be a bit affected by that, sorry.

1:01 PM

@pauska My SF rep is relatively low, but my SE network rep is 46k+ :)

"All IPSec SA proposals found unacceptable!"

@Zypher I'm sure we can, but we're a small shop and this is starting to become a pretty deep money pit. I'm not trying to do anything outside the scope of our license, just use the features that the device has already.

so, it cant negotiate any encryption algorithm with the client

have you checked your connection profile in the asdm to see what kind of proposal its using?

or, err, the group policy attached to the connection profile

@pauska I've looked through the policies and haven't been able to find anything about the encryption profile, though there is a Crypto Maps item under IPSec (independent of any particular profile)

yeah, the crypto map

1:06 PM

sometimes I think about renaming cron to blow or hand

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I think it's named "dynamic"

I'm using ASDM 6.4 and ASA 8.4, so its a bit different

L2TP (and such) are named IKEv1 connection profiles

"If you have multiple dynamic crypto maps, then you need to make your L2TP crypto map has a higher priority than the others. You will often see "All IPSec SA proposals found unacceptable" because of this problem."

gregsowell.com/?p=805

"EDIT If you want windows Vista or 7 clients you also need to add a transformset that is AES-128/SHA. Make it the second entry in the list...between your TRANS-esp-3des entry and your standard 3des-esp."

@pauska Hm, I only seem to have ONE map, though it was missing the single TRANS_ESP_3DES_SHA transform set

aha

The one map has many transform sets though

Is that what your'e referring to, or do I need to split these up into multiple maps?

Hmmm.

Anyone can think on a good image or metaphor for scalable things? I must assemble a presentation on the theme and must search for a good image to use as background or something

Hmm...what's something that grows larger and larger as it's used more...

Pauska's sock?

1:21 PM

I am glad you said socks

I like the 'lung' metaphor myself, everyone can identify with it plus it has a positive image subliminally and people have a build in understanding for it's necessity - I use it for self-regulating VM farms

So what would a collapsed lung be?

Lungs don't change in size all that much. You need a body part that's capable of stretching to many times its normal size...

haha

@SmallClanger I can't put that on my presentation ;P

1:26 PM

Yes you can

A uterus?

humour is good in presentations

@AdamRobinson Did this work?

There will be students there :P

oh and I figured out that dns thing; dnscmd /recordadd

@pauska I just finished watching the video on the site that you linked. I'm giving it a shot now.

1:27 PM

And students get offended by something like that?

Never be surprised at what someone will be offended at. I refer you to our transcript from yesterday afternoon.

I wasn't present aside from the time that @Zypher died for me.

Usteruses scale. And if all goes well, a useful product that costs a lot to support is produced.

@Holocrypt: ?

That thing about flagging?

I am thinking using flickr.com/photos/fotoparadiso/2610907164 you can keep plugging those lights serially until you run out of energy or space and it will "scale".

@BartSilverstrim yeah. that was hilarious

1:30 PM

@pauska Hmm...Now I'm getting a "Lost Service" error

it first says it received a duplicate Phase 2 packet, then it says that it lost service

@Coredump don't know if they really scale, do they? You don't get more light, just more space lit.

@BartSilverstrim that's their objective.

In that case, deforestation scales well.

More space is made... :-p

Memes scale well.

political spin scales too.

@pauska Right now I have a single dynamic Crypto Map that has, well, basically every transform that's defined in it

(it was like that already, except that I added the single missing TRANS set that I mentioned earlier)

haha I just read the transcript

hilarous

1:33 PM

@Coredump although I still like the uterus as a metaphor.

@BartSilverstrim Rubber Duckie it for me

@pauska it was good times

Wait...someone named powerlord came in ticked at jacob?

@Holocryptic what was the stuff about flagging? I only see the flags didn't notice really what was happening

@Coredump click the star for teh whaaaaambulance

er, link.

1:36 PM

Sumd00d came in here ticked, and Jacob implied he flagged something. Much drama and a couple of meta.so questions were opened.

and...he was miffed for getting suspended for jacob flagging his video. is SF that strict with flagging that a flag or two will suspend you?

And hilarity ensued

Kyle banned me the other day for 30 minutes

I linked a rebecca video, someone flagged it and kyle didnt use his eyes while enforcing the flag

People shouldnt misuse that flag

Rebecca is not offensive! She's annoying. There's a difference, dammit.

People shouldn't misuse Rebecca Black

1:39 PM

I just like sitting back and watching what happens. It makes me giggle.

:)

@BartSilverstrim what star, I am watching just half the chat so BEAR GRYLLS WITH ME

@coredump: the starred quote on the side from DanBig. "sounds like we need to dispatch the whaaaambulance to meta." Click the 17h (on mine it says 17 hours ago) to jump to that point of the transcript.

@jscott: Rebecca must be a power wielded wisely for good, not evil. And as a reminder of what day it is.

Ah lol

why is jacob always in the middle of that stuff ;P

He's young and doesn't understand the fine art of delegating your troublemaking.

Q: How does SNMP really works ?

1:46 PM

Ants. Ants are a good example of many tiny things doing heavy jobs right? flickr.com/photos/stephenmawby/3404045169

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How does SNMP gets its information to answer the management station requests ? What is in fact a MIB ? I keep reading about the MIB but nobody says what a MIB is in its practical aspect.

UNICORNS AND RAINBOWS

Water scales well. Worked wonders on the grand canyon.

@BartSilverstrim you're too zen to me

You'd almost wonder if people are asking questions because they are bored

Windmills, how do they work.

Zerg rush scales well.

1:53 PM

the universe scales well too

I wonder if Rebecca Black scales well

Only time will tell, @Coredump.

Octomom did at one point.

that sounded better on my head

Dude, she's like 13 or something

Rebecca's scales must sound terrible.

1:54 PM

Filthy man.

That's why I said time will tell, @pauska.

@jscott: if she has scales she might want to have that looked at.

13 is like 72+% legal here.

She's a pop star. That automatically makes her older... or something. It's like the guys that were lusting over Hanna Montana and forgetting she was 16 or something.

Everyone over 16 was 16 at one point.

16 is legal in norway

1:56 PM

@pauska Then you're like 81.25% there

ircmaxell

It's legal in New Jersey as well (16)

Someone said to me once that it was legal on Nevada too

each state has their own age limit? :o

@pauska Even better,

Although I did see that there's a blow up doll of miley cyrus now.

apparently she just turned 18. It was on Amazon too.

1:57 PM

after seeing half an episode of jersey shore; perhaps the age limit should be around.. 28 years?

@pauska yep in pa it's something crazy like 14 with parents consent as long as you are no more than 2 years older, and 16 w/o as long as you are no more than 2 years older, if you are over 18 and they are 17 that's fine, but 20 and 17 is bad

@Zypher 14?!

At first I was like, that would be really complicated to create a series of if/case statements to programmatically verify if it's allowed. Then I was like, how the hell does he know that?

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@pauska yea ... don't ask ... i blame the amish

@BartSilverstrim don't you worry about that

i learned it at an age it mattered to know ... at this point ... 16 will get you 20 for me

You service your own hard drive, I'll have plausible deniability.

Ages of consent in North America

2:01 PM

hmm i was wrong : teenagers aged 13, 14 and 15 may or may not be able to legally engage in sexual activity with partners who are less than 4 years older

The ages of consent in North America for sexual activity vary by jurisdiction. The age of consent in Canada is 16 and all US states set their limits between 16 and 18. The ages of consent in the countries of Central America range from 15 to 18. The age of consent in Mexico is complex. Typically, Mexican states have a "primary" age of consent (which may be as low as 12), and sexual conduct with persons below that age is always illegal. Sexual relations between adults and teenagers are left in a legal gray area: laws against adults "corrupting" minors may be used sometimes to punish s...

13??

The age of consent in Mexico is "complex"...

conneticut has pa beat : A 12-year-old can consent to any 13-year old.

"four or more years older than the complainant and the complainant and the person are not married to each other."

If they are married, it's ok

@coredump it's always ok if you are married ... alhtough from what i hear it's not like you get much after you get married

2:07 PM

What's wrong with that state?

hahaha which one PA?

Yep

Ok, weekend!

Later :)

haha ... uhm Quakers, Amish, and err the new confederates in the middle? Later @pauska

In MI it's a hard line 16 years old... It's gotten more than a few couples in trouble where one is 15 and the other is 16. It's also statutory if the person is under 18 and you're a teacher, police officer, public official, or a number of other jobs.

2:16 PM

Damnit, why doesn't pressing tab autocomplete the directory I'm about to create? Useless, non-psychic operating systems...

See i have an issue with that hard line crap especially in that case ... they are both stupid at that age, you're not protecting anyone just punishing a couple of kids, and possibly fucking one of them over for life with a sex offender tag

I get tripped up in comments on the main site when replying to people after being in chat for a while @SmallClanger

There's always, "Who cares, let them do what they want but have them deal with the consequences."

There's irony in that statement, @zypher.

haha

Research points to the brain not being "adult" until you're ~25 anyway.

Something about parts not being developed.

Cakemox

2:19 PM

Plus you can push that to about 30 and up with enough alcohol

which is why i love me some college parties :)

So you're ready as a biological organism to mate around 12/13 years old but you're mentally defective until 25. Nice intelligent design at work there.

Probably a mechanism to propagate genes before you're smart enough to know better.

Cakemox

Laptop is out for delivery today! Huzzah!

GAHH i think Symantec hired the cisco web designers

@BartSilverstrim I don't know the exact numbers but people who wait to have kids until after ~25 have on average ~2 less kids than people who don't wait. (Top of my head numbers, but you get the gist of it)

2:22 PM

see: Idiocracy

Probably because once you're over 25 you realize life is expensive and sucks, and then you'll compound it with kids, while the ones boning as teens are dumb enough to think the world owes them everything and they'll get along fine with so many kids that they need to buy a car from the circus to fit them all.

But that's a sweeping generalization.

@Zypher I found that the other day, hateful site isn't it - have you seen that you need to 'copy /b' their downloads together??? it's 2011 ffs!

Wow the chat went silent after my statement until Chopper changes subject...who'd I tick off? ;-)

Not I; I'm just plain busy. Went on vacation last Thurs to Monday; so I'm busy catching up.... And SCCM's certificate problems are popping up again.... I hate it's f-ing cryptic error messages scatter around 70 log files in 10 different locations.

2:38 PM

@Chopper3 jesus ... i havn't found a place on the site that i can put my info in to check for updates ... i know dell does that too for some stuf GAHHH

since they still require win2k3 for thier management server (WTF!)

That and I was initially miffed at this guy for posting on the wrong site, but now he's got me pissed for being an idiot about the problem too: serverfault.com/questions/257377/windows-7-dns-look-up-failed

@Zypher which product?

Endpoint Security

ah - don't know/use that