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Never Look Back
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7:57 AM
OH MY GOD! Now I know what it is called in English! the term is 'annotation'!!

Thank you so much. I found the villain who caused so much trouble in my creative world. Its gone now.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
8:10 AM
@Scott Astute has changes a lot. I know about this from Von Glitschka's tutorials. The plugin he used in all those tutorial vs the one am using has significant differences.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
8:25 AM
changed*
 
 
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Vincent
Vincent
2:43 PM
@NeverLookBack Even though we can't answer your question on the main site, we can discuss it here ;)
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
3:04 PM
@Vincent Okay, tell me how do you handle this?
 
Vincent
Vincent
I'm very blunt, but I tell my customers that upfront.
 
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btw I thought you are INDIAN. lmao. today I know you are not.
 
Vincent
Vincent
I prepare my customers for my way of communicating even in my quotes.
If a customer gives a piece of feedback that is subjective or doesn't tell me anything that I can use to determine what they do want, I tell them so.
 
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Never Look Back
@Vincent I am same. My boss today told me to be smart, He thinks the way I think is wrong. First opinion came from him. some of my colleagues share same value. Maybe am not fit for this time. Swallow safe dignity for the sake of money- is not my thing.
 
Vincent
Vincent
I saw that comment, yes.
Here in the Netherlands, it's usually valued if you speak up.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
3:07 PM
I deleted my question. After that 'Zach comment'
 
Vincent
Vincent
Then also, I'm self-employed. So if it doesn't work out with one customer, there's always others.
@NeverLookBack I can still read deleted questions ;)
 
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I do not get this platform. ppl barb here if I thank someone, people close question if its opinionated! I need the opinions! i dnt have problems with opinions! NO! close it.
@Vincent how can u?
 
Vincent
Vincent
But Zach was right: this is impossible to answer objectively in a way that it ends up a Q&A that is useful to anyone but yourself
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
why cant I :?
 
Vincent
Vincent
reputation
if you score a certain amount of reputation points, you get certain privileges
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
3:09 PM
@Vincent Ah , I see, how much I need to get that privilage?
 
Vincent
Vincent
one of them is reading (recently) deleted stuff
 
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now I know why some ppl attack if they dent get ticked their question by me. haha
@Vincent Thank you
 
Vincent
Vincent
@NeverLookBack well, to put it as shortly as possible, we are not a forum but a Q&A site. We want Q&A interactions that are objectively, provably correct, and are of use for other visitors.
And yes, some are very fanatical when it comes to garnering rep points :)
The help center has a fw pages that might tell it better than I do now
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Vincent Understood. So this community answers only those which serves more people, than one. But how does the community know that more people dnt seek that same answer?
 
Vincent
Vincent
We have some rules in place to ensure objectivity and applicability. I don't remember those exactly, it has been a while since I was a mod
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
3:13 PM
hm. I will change this one day If I become Mod ever :D
 
Vincent
Vincent
@NeverLookBack I think you'll have to make it to board member of Stack Exchange itself to make that change. And then convince the rest of the board :P
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Vincent LMAO.
@Vincent WOW. so many things yet to know about this site
I saw this when I was checking your reputation points. is this blocking?
Dear lord, plz bring the one I wanna block here. Amin :D
 
WELZ
WELZ
@NeverLookBack that's for ignoring on chat only, not on the actual sites.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@WELZ Oh no :(
 
Vincent
Vincent
3:29 PM
@NeverLookBack Yeah, chat is mostly separate from the main site. Sorry!
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Vincent Anyway Thank you for sharing your thoughts regarding my question. I feel good that am not alone who thinks same. <3
 
Vincent
Vincent
anytime
 
 
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Wolff
Wolff
5:32 PM
@Wrzlprmft, I need a mod advice. I answered this question although I shouldn't have. It's really a pure JavaScript question and not about Graphic Design. The OP didn't know that though. What is the standard way of voting to migrate to SO? I don't find that option in the close menu.
 
 
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Wrzlprmft
Wrzlprmft
7:38 PM
@Wolff The standard way is to flag it for moderator attention. User-controlled migration paths only exist between a few pairs of sites where this happen very often.
 
Scott
Scott
8:12 PM
I saw the question @NeverLookBack -- do you mean you HAVE to give client feedback.. like on crowdsourcing sites? I, honestly can't recall ever doing such a thing directly... But I would always be polite and kind if I had to. One NEVER knows where they next great project may come from. and I rarely get much feedback from clients, other than the check they send and the fact they rehire me.
and.. @wolff I always thought js/scripting as it relates to design tools was fairly on-topic here.
Not much different than how to I paint this photo in Photoshop, etc. SO users won't necessarily know adobe scripting intricacies.
 
 
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Wolff
Wolff
9:49 PM
@Scott Yes, I would normally agree. But the problem the OP had was with basic JavaScript. Strings, arrays and their methods. Didn't really have anything to do with Illustrator. I answered at first but later changed my mind.
It's a bit like ... Problems with Adobe CC. We have a lot of questions where the answer is "reset your settings". But if people start asking about what folders and files are?
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
lately I develop one 3d project based on the requirements my client provided.

So I prepared the file, showed him, he asked changes, I obliged and finish it successfully.

Before submitting I asked him if ‘Everything is okay?’ Can I submit now? With his ‘okay’ I submit the file and wait for the payment.

Suddenly out of the blue he demanded some changes which were impossible to make at that stage, when I asked you didn’t mention this once in the entire week! Now it’s not possible. I have to redesign the whole thing! It will be like a new project!
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack All those secret questions and answers I only hear about in rumors ... 🙄
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff ha ha
you are not a mod?
if you were you can see the deleted queston.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack I thought I could because of my rep, but i can't see that one for some reason ... not sure why
@NeverLookBack Well the customer is always right ... if they in fact are a customer (= pays).
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
how can Scott see?
 
Wolff
Wolff
9:54 PM
@NeverLookBack More rep? Not sure.
Perhaps at 20,000 I can.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff No. this is wrong. I want to change this theory.
 
Wolff
Wolff
Doesn't matter.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff true. dsnt matter
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack I know. I've had a few unreasonable clients myself.
The problem is when you have vague agreements.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
Sincerity must be valued. Client should learn this
 
Wolff
Wolff
9:57 PM
I agree. Where I come from it's not normal to have real contracts for smaller jobs. It would scare away clients. But agreements made by mail is legally binding here.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
where you are from if I may ask
 
Wolff
Wolff
So for example if I send something for approval and they answer "It's looks nice." I ask them to kindly reply that they "approve". To force them to take responsibility (together with me of course).
@NeverLookBack Denmark
@NeverLookBack You must admit that a client that wants to change everything is a lot less annoying if they are willing to pay in full.
@NeverLookBack (Are you googling? 😂)
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
This client was a British. They are the epitome of 'courtesy' , he was very polite. but I Think its not right for him to say sorry after I developed the entire thing.
@Wolff noo. I know geography and I know Denmark too.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack If the "sorry" doesn't come with money it's a bit of a half excuse.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff you are talking like my colleagues.
 
Wolff
Wolff
10:02 PM
@NeverLookBack OK, but didn't you say that this client actually didn't have to pay for the remake?
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff hmm, now I see the point :D
@Wolff He didn't wanna pay! he want another design under same budget!
why would I do that?
 
Wolff
Wolff
Maybe I misunderstand. Was the project redone or not?
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
I did exactly what he asked. later he demanded changes which was impossible to make at that point , I have to go back to square zero
so in my point of view its a new project
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack So he asked for changes, you said no and then his company dropped the changes and went with your original idea?
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
yes
 
Wolff
Wolff
10:06 PM
So he was just getting your pulse up for no reason? Perhaps he just messed up and regretted. Maybe he didn't knew what big of a deal it would be to make the changes?
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
He tried to make a new design, but when I refused to create one he accepted, paid me for the original one.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack So you actually won this "battle" didn't you? But your colleagues think you should've been more accommodating?
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff He actually forgets to update me, he gave me old file, but his team developed new design. So why will I suffer for his forgetful mind?
@Wolff yes, they think I accepted his offer! and change it. I said I would rather die!
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack Ah. He was in trouble and tried to rub it off on you. That happens. Have to keep your head cool in cases like that.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
commitments matter Wolff. I was devoted, he was not.
if I value his money and time he should feel same way.
 
Wolff
Wolff
10:11 PM
@NeverLookBack In very rare cases when I feel my contact person is driving me around and wasting time, I might add their superior (who is paying) CC to the mails. The contact person can't really address it because why would they have secrets and the superior get some insight in how difficult the job is for the designer.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
good point
 
Wolff
Wolff
But I don't have many cooperate clients with a strict line of command. More NGOs, public institutions, small businesses, artists, schools, theatres, private persons and such.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
Wish they knew how hard designing is
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack I guess you've seen this question? Kind of related.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff lucky you
yes I saw and laughed. some clients will ask for original ideas and when you submit they get disappear .
I never work for free, you have to pay for seeing the ideas too.
 
Wolff
Wolff
10:17 PM
@NeverLookBack I've only experienced that once
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff then you know how it feels
 
Scott
Scott
My experience tells me.. when you find a difficult client.. deal with it.. shut up and smile. Get the work done. If you feel the scope has changed, certainly mention that and see if they are willing to renegotiate. if they aren't then politely explain you were paid to do XYZ, you've done XYZ.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
I have a question, why this question was bot closed and mine was!
 
Scott
Scott
You're lucky you got paid. Often you won't for that type of situation
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
not*
 
Scott
Scott
10:19 PM
THAT question did get close votes, not enough though
and since it hit hot network questions.. well.. that balloons traffic and make the bots less liekly to close
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Scott shut up and smile- My colleagues say same. :'(
 
Scott
Scott
It's not worth yoru reputation to voice dissatisfaction
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Scott :D
 
Scott
Scott
They tell 2 people you were mean to them.. they tell 2 people.. they tell 2 people.. etc.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
Will my reputation go away/ or be taken away if I express dissatisfaction?
 
Scott
Scott
10:21 PM
Just be more direct if they approach you again... I'll OFTEN find a way to overprice or otherwise discourage a difficult client when they approach me again later.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Scott Okay I will follow this. Thank you.
 
Wolff
Wolff
You you shouldn't be mean ever, but sometimes you have to stand your ground. Some clients even like that in the end.
 
Scott
Scott
It's VERY easy to get a reputation as being a "problem" in the circles of businesses that hire designers... especially if you do a lot of work in the same general genre, i.e. a lot of finacial stuff, or educational stuff, or real estate, etc..
Don't get me wrong. I've actually yelled at a client in the past :) We all have our breaking point.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack I think it's all about your expectations. If I have a client who is very focused on getting a cheap price and quick delivery. They send me their stuff and instructions, maybe even a brand manual. I make something I believe lives up to the price and they want endless revisions ... that can really ¤%& me off.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Scott I yelled in my head :D
 
Scott
Scott
10:26 PM
I screamed at a client over the phone once.. just got tired of him treating me like a 12 year old slave he could control and dictate my business operations.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff I give to my client more than they negotiated for, I never compromise with quality. May be this is why I get upset easily.
 
Wolff
Wolff
But I also have another kind of clients. This old artist (about 80 years old). We've been making some books together. He comes in with the whole book drawn as thumbnails. We start from page 1 and make perhaps 8-16 pages in day. Then I print what we made and he goes home and revises the whole book! So next day we start by changing the pages we already made and then we make some more. Next day the process repeats.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Scott Really!!
 
Wolff
Wolff
But he pays and I know beforehand that's how it's going to be.
 
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Never Look Back
@Wolff Cute!
 
Wolff
Wolff
10:27 PM
@NeverLookBack I know. I do the same. Some people are better at holding back a bit, being tactical. Then they have some more when the client wants more. I can't think like that.
 
Scott
Scott
It really all comes down to the money :) Pay me well enough and I'll never say a thing, no matter what you want.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack Yes! Another thing is also that we like each other. With hugs and all.
@Scott Ah come on! 🙄
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Scott TRUE
@Wolff Aww , it's really cute. You gonna miss him when the project will end.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack We've made many things now. I also help him to visualize projects for applications and such.
We've had 3 clients in my time who we asked to not come back because they were rude. They all came back. Hat in hand. 😂
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff then you become family.
@Wolff ha ha
 
Scott
Scott
10:30 PM
That's generally the case... once you refuse a client, they suddenly realize your value
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Scott yes, :D
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott That and also I imagine that they have the same problems everywhere. It's not new to them that people find them rude.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
@Wolff Rude people usually are weak. they use rudeness as a mask to hide their worthlessness
 
Wolff
Wolff
One told me, after giving me the worst brief ever and I just freestyled something to get it done, that she had shown my work to everyone she knows and that they all laughed loudly at it.
 
Scott
Scott
oh man
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
10:32 PM
@Wolff How cruel a woman can be!!!
:O
 
Scott
Scott
.. my question to her... 'Okay, then why are you speaking about a project with me again?"
 
Wolff
Wolff
She wanted a "redesign" of some signs and when I called her to get more details she had this "You're the designer right? Then design!"-attitude.
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
oh my!
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Next time her husband called haha.
 
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Never Look Back
:D
 
Scott
Scott
10:34 PM
I like my work.. same 15-20 people... I don't deal with the general public or random clients any more.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Sounds nice. A bit fragile perhaps?
 
Scott
Scott
a tad... but still workable.. If I'm slow I sent a bulk email and projects generally come in.
I do have my horror stories though
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
share one
if its not too much
 
Wolff
Wolff
Work is low here. Probably because of Corona. Many of our clients are closed down. like public venues. And everything is postponed all the time.
 
Scott
Scott
I could use 1 or maybe 2 more clients that use me as much as my top 2 clients do..
Everyone is suffering cuz of covid in my circle
They struggle... means I struggle... 2021 worst business year I've ever had
 
Wolff
Wolff
10:38 PM
@Scott Same here I think. We do have kind of generous support from the state though. Helped us through. But it ends here in January, but I don't expect work to suddenly pour in.
 
Scott
Scott
yeah I got gov stimulus in 2020 when they did that but that wasn't even a month of expenses.. and self employed isn't getting the unemployment and other benefits. I'm in bad shape this year... I'm REALLY hoping things turn around Q1
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Here we are able to (one month more) to get, I think it's 80% of the salary covered if we have to send home more than 1/3 of the company because of lack of work caused by covid.
And we've also been able to get some of our lost profit covered.
 
Scott
Scott
that's good!
 
Wolff
Wolff
But it comes with TONS of paperwork of course. So much that in some cases it's cheaper to say no.
 
Scott
Scott
There are gov LOANS for small businesses here.. but well it's a LOAN.. I don't want to gather more looming debt
I don't have a lot of debt and don't want to just acquire more.. with no way of knowing when all this is going to end.
of course.. the gov is forgiving some of these loans... but there's no way of knowing they'll do that in the future
 
Wolff
Wolff
10:46 PM
@Scott Sure is. But it's fair enough because the government chooses which kinds of businesses to close (like restaurants or theatres). So the loss of profit isn't "natural" if you know what I mean.
We can get support because the graphic industry is indirectly hit by other insutries closing down.
 
Scott
Scott
yup. I'm always in that 5% that is just getting screwed :) Small 1-person business with no inventory or direct public customer needs
 
Wolff
Wolff
Yeah. I guess you have to look after yourself. A cowboy of sorts. 🤠😉
 
Scott
Scott
you'd think .. since a lot of my clients focus on "work from home" type of stuff I'd be doing better... but apparently even they have seen a 30-40% decline
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott On top of covid we also struggle with a great increase in paper prices. Like 25%. And just today we received a mail from the paper company: another 5-25%! Do you have that in the states?
 
Scott
Scott
yeah supply chain is a problem too. It's hitting here.. and partially why a lot of my print work has been put off or delayed
 
Never Look Back
Never Look Back
10:50 PM
5 am here. I am going to sleep. Thank you both for sharing your experiences, I am grateful, I really need those guidelines <3 Good night :)
 
Wolff
Wolff
We of course bill the clients, but they aren't always willing to pay. Or cut down on issues of magazines to compensate = less money from design.
 
Scott
Scott
Night NLB
 
Wolff
Wolff
@NeverLookBack Good night! Nice chatting. 😸
 
Scott
Scott
my clients always pay.. but they don't always do that big project they do every January.... that's where things get sticky for me...
I did also raise my rates in 2020 for the first time in like 5 years. Not enough so they'll notice.. but I will
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Same here. If we ordinarily make all sorts of stuff for a general meeting: signs, reports, name tags etc., now we just make a web PDF.
@Scott, have you seen stuff like this?
It's AI generated images. Give it an image, a crude mask and a sentence and it will create the wanted image.
Can also create images from scratch just from a sentence.
 
Scott
Scott
10:57 PM
nope haven't seen it @Wolff interesting.. one less need to hire me :)
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott yeah. It worries me a bit. Or makes me think at least.
 
Scott
Scott
well.. at least we arent' warhouse workers being replaced by robots already
 
Wolff
Wolff
It's of course still in its beginning. And only has limited images. And then there's the copyright problem.
But I think in the next, I dunno, 10-30 years this can be made into a product.
The death of low end graphic design at least. Wanna make a book? Just upload the manuscript and describe with words what you want. Then refine the result by telling the AI what you want to change.
The result will not be like fine dining, but more like a cheap microwave dinner, but the job is done. Without a designer.
 
Scott
Scott
some of the second one just looks liek a stock image search
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott They claim the images are generated from the sentences. Based on the tons of images they have taught the AI about.
 
Scott
Scott
11:01 PM
well Iv'e seen that hedgehog before...
and the corgi
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Haha!
@Scott They might have fed the AI with free stock images you have also seen?
 
Scott
Scott
aound 2001 worked at a company where a guy was sellign dog supplements... he had a corgi.... so.. uhm.. yeah
 
Wolff
Wolff
They don't show all the failed attempts of course.
 
Scott
Scott
of course not :)
 
Wolff
Wolff
I totally dislike this movement from human intelligence which can solve a problem deliberately with preciseness to sloppy, blurry AI that arrives at a result incrementally. But I think we just have to accept it.
And work with it. Not end up like typographers or other extinct species. 😀
 
Scott
Scott
11:06 PM
yeah... if you don't have the eye for detail, like most of the public.. it doesn't matter to you
"good enough" works if it's free, or nearly free, for many people
But it's not much different than the 90s when only those who were specialized used Photoshop... now for $20 a month your great aunt Edna can use Photoshop too!
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Yes. That's also democratization in a way. But what will people do for a living? We can't all be CEO of a big tech corp.
@Scott True. But there is a "war" going on right now where programmers/tech is sucking out knowledge from all other industries to automatize their skills. Already happened in so many fields.
 
Scott
Scott
yeah we are heading towards a singularity where technology actually makes like much, much worse on the whole than it helps.
heck mobile phone have already proven what a detriment tech is to society and merely "getting along" and communicating.
Once Zuckerberg, Bezos, and Google merge.. well.. they'll have to dole out checks to everyone so they can live.
 
Wolff
Wolff
Everything will be available to everyone. But in reduced quality and the price is your soul (so to speak).
Or the illusion of everything.
 
Scott
Scott
I asked a colleague a while ago... "Do you remember a time when you just DIDN'T know something? A time when there was NO WAY of knowing it unless you either went to a library to research or met someone who DID know?" --- No one born in the last 30 years knows that feeling.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott haha true. But no one can' remember what they read on Wikipedia 10 minutes ago
 
Scott
Scott
11:14 PM
but they can merely reload the page
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott or ask their ai and get the answer displayed on their glasses or injected into the brain with their chip
 
Scott
Scott
yup :) Well I'm glad I'm getting older... I won't be around in 20 years hen tech has REALLY caused issues :)
 
Wolff
Wolff
You won't know if people actually know something out are merely having a HUD helping them through life
@Scott knowledge stored in your brain is still valuable. Makes googling so much faster. So there will still be a division between the educated and the illiterate. I'm just afraid the gap will increase
 
Scott
Scott
we'll all have HUDs implanted int he base of our skulls :)
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Musk and Zuck working on that
 
Scott
Scott
11:18 PM
really.. once you get past elementary school... most of what you need in life can be goggled :)
You only need high school or heaven forbid college if you want to be a doctor or some degree that's required.
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Sure, but what to search for?
 
Scott
Scott
doesn't matter... google will ask.. 'Did you mean...."
:)
 
Wolff
Wolff
Ask on Instagram? "Pleazzzze help! I need to underztand the theory of relativity ASAP! Hugz & Love."
 
Scott
Scott
you just search for what you need... "How to change a light bulb." "How to pet a cat"
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott "Did you mean where do I buy stuff?"
@Scott "What to do when going through the ice?"
 
Scott
Scott
11:20 PM
Is this lump on my back cancer?
anything ya need :)
I realized last week I never focused enough on Illustration. I should have been more diligent with it... found an agent and gone that direction... MIGHT try to do that now..
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott I know that I will never agree to anything like wearing smart glasses or getting a chip implanted. So the minute that becomes the norm I'll be a looser. And so be it.
@Scott I thought you did some illustration already?
 
Scott
Scott
I do.. but it's never been a career focus. Most my illustrations are to coincide with a sales piece. I don't really do anything like commissioned illustrations.. well, I have.. but only a handful of times
And.. I won't even buy an Alexa cuz I don't want Google listening to my home
Killed my Amazon Prime membership last week... it dawned on me how pointless it was..
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott I think Alexa is Amazon isn't it? I dunno. I hate anything speech controlled.
 
Scott
Scott
yeah.. google has something else that's similar.. either way.. no thanks :)
I think the Echo is Google
meanign it echos everything it hears to the google servers
 
Wolff
Wolff
"Radiator?"
"Yes, master"
"Could you please turn up the temperature a notch?"
"You didn't ask about my day ... don't you like me anymore?"
"Sorry. How are you? Now please turn up the temperature a notch."
"Turning up temperature a lot."
 
Scott
Scott
11:29 PM
radiator? What is this 1950?
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Lol! I have radiators!
 
Scott
Scott
Ihaven't seen a radiator in decades :)
They do exist here though
older, bigger cities are more prone to them
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott My house is from 1880. Not the radiators though haha.
 
Scott
Scott
well 1880 makes sense :)
my house is 2007... central air
 
Wolff
Wolff
Back then all the apartments had their own heating stove.
 
Scott
Scott
11:31 PM
yeah or you just set cousin Timmy on fire in the winter.
"We're gonna need a new Timmy."
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott A friend once met an older American couple on vacation here in Copenhagen. They were looking at an old house from the 1800s and asked him: "What's in there?". "That's actually Google's headquarter in Denmark". "Oh! Google's headquarter is in a CASTLE!".
 
Scott
Scott
ha
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott They had plenty. 8-10 people living where we live 2 now. The kids roaming the streets in day and sleeping on the floor at night.
@Scott, anyway illustration sounds like a good idea. If not for anything else, just for the sake of it. You know all the theory. Just have to forget it all and practice.
 
Scott
Scott
yup. it'd only be worth it if I could nail an agent to do all the stuff I dislike :)
 
Wolff
Wolff
I used to draw a lot, but after doing graphic design for a living I seldom do. I should take it up again. When I draw I feel very rusty, but I think it would come back again if I practiced more.
 
Scott
Scott
11:37 PM
I used to doodle all the time.. constantly.. kinda got away from that when I moved in 1999.. new town, new job, new troubles.. and just never really picked it up again.. need to bring it back.
I just keep a clipboard with cheap paper near the sofa and doodle while watching TV
 
Wolff
Wolff
I live with my gf who draws really well, so I shouldn't compare myself with her ...
 
Scott
Scott
no such thing as "well" just different styes :)
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Uhm ... whatever 😂
 
Scott
Scott
hey I've seen some professional illustrations that.. well. I just don't "get" but someone somewhere paid to have it created
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott Her style is better too, haha. But of course. Years and years of practice.
 
Scott
Scott
11:41 PM
well the more you do, the better you get :)
Gotta run.. chat witcha later :) See ya @Wolff
 
Wolff
Wolff
@Scott See ya!
 

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