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either way just saying "all use is strictly prohibited" doesn't make it so; it's like the major sports network saying that "no account may be disseminated without prior written consent". Sorry, but that's not legally binding.
I have no idea about major sport network accounts, but for EADS to have that in their terms and conditions is perfectly legal... and binding if you accept to use their services.
So you cannot apply fair-use on the documents, because they are not hosted in the US...and they cannot become hosted in the US to apply fair-use, because uploading them there is a violation in the first place.
Like I said, I have had this discussion with the DFS already ad nauseam..
European copyright law is a b**ch and German Urheberrecht even moreso. I hate it with a passion, because it makes my life difficult, too :)
@SentryRaven uploading them in the US cannot be covered by EU/DE law, so a fair-use claim is actually quite viable. That the DFS would like to have you believe otherwise doesn't surprise me. They could possibly still go after me, since I am currently in Germany, and they might even win, since they, just like most states claim jurisdiction everywhere. It's like going after someone for doing something in one country which is considered illegal in another, it's weird but some states still do it.
@SentryRaven But, again, I'm playing devil's advocate. I'll take it down if you think that's better. Can't remove it completely though, it'll still be in the revision history.
@falstro I'd say removing it and providing a way to get it (e.g. to PAMS Light) is more appropriate, since my understanding of the US fair-use criteria says that fair-use cannot apply here. If there was something like fair-use in Europe or Germany, I'd be really happy, but until then, I am convinced that you cannot redistribute these works without permission from DFS or EAD.
You'd need to edit the answer, too :P
@falstro I am still curious why you didn't have to register there. Are you using an app or software to obtain the charts?
@falstro feel free to remove it if you think it violates the copyright. I had a discussion with EAD about a year ago and they didn't seem really concerned about this kind of usage, although they wouldn't give anything in writing of course.
Frankly, I would expect that they don't mind that usage, too. It's a common sense thing, to be honest. And I would absolutely love if DFS and EAD would say that for educational and non-commercial use, these charts could be used with proper attribution. I wasn't able to coax DFS into it yet :D
For each and every single use of their material I have to email them and ask....
@DeltaLima I don't think it does, and I don't think it should. But the question has been asked and answered, so I didn't feel the need to argue the case further.
I am almost tempted to contact EAD again and ask for permission to use their material occasionally on this site when the context of the question justifies it. I'll think about a way to phrase it.
I wonder if they will refer you to the DFS GmbH, because EAD cannot technically allow this. How would you keep track of this btw, as future generations of Aviation.SE users and moderators will need to have a reference to any such agreement?
@DeltaLima that would be truly awesome; in the interest of educating people in aviation, I can't see it having any drawbacks for EAD whatsoever. Then again, people tends to be jerks when it comes to copyright for the sake of being jerks and thinking they're somehow losing money they wouldn't get anyway.
I think the usage here is in the spirit of EAD Basic itself: The EAD Basic solution is specifically targeted at: private pilots and general aviation; members of the public searching for aeronautical information; training schools; everyone who has an interest in aviation and aeronautical information.
I know there was a site in the past (charts.aero?) that just deeplinked all the EAD material. EAD wasn't pleased about that and I understand that. But this is different
We only include a very small portion of their content, and only when it appropriate in the context of a question. We can attribute it to EAD with a link should they wish so.
Yup, charts.aero had to take down their service because they deeplinked. We used that site as well for some time, but nowadays we have to redirect people to register with EAD to access PAMS Light.
charts.aero also doesn't have a fair use claim even if everything had been in the US, if you want to go down that road.
its search interface was a hell of a lot easier to work with than PAMS though. I mean it's seriously broken that, in order to search for anything, you have to open the 'advanced' search options :)
There are also other aircraft carriers which name their aircraft, e.g. Lufthansa.
To understand where this comes from, I recommend reading these blogs:
Lufthansa | Aircraft Naming
Meanwhile at KLM | Every Plane Needs A Name [sic]
Meanwhile at KLM | Who Thinks Up Aircraft Names [sic]
@Farhan What was your reason for changing the title here? I feel like it was more clear before. Now the answer seems to be "no, there is usually a door in the way."
Not sure if this is on-topic here, as the official guidance seems a bit vague.
Anyways, I've got a relatively simple question. I'm considering purchasing a Phantom 2 Vision+, but am a little unclear about what options there are in terms of controlling it. Their website makes a big deal about b...
The asking to go to the cockpit question is starting to pick up a lot of "I got to go in the cockpit when I was a kid" answers that are just anecdotes which don't reflect the current situation. Worth protecting the question?
(They don't even add any new information, since the asker already says they did this as a child and are wondering if it's still possible.)
There are also other aircraft carriers which name their aircraft, e.g. Lufthansa.
To understand where this comes from, I recommend reading these blogs:
Lufthansa | Aircraft Naming
Meanwhile at KLM | Every Plane Needs A Name [sic]
Meanwhile at KLM | Who Thinks Up Aircraft Names [sic]
Not sure if this is on-topic here, as the official guidance seems a bit vague.
Anyways, I've got a relatively simple question. I'm considering purchasing a Phantom 2 Vision+, but am a little unclear about what options there are in terms of controlling it. Their website makes a big deal about b...
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