The Hangar

2:21 AM

!!distance agp akl

Málaga Airport - Auckland International Airport
87 hours by Cessna Skyhawk • 22 hours by Airbus A380
19,942km • 12,391mi • 10,768nm

egid

2:31 AM

!!distance KPAE KOSH

Otto the Autopilot

Snohomish County (Paine Field) Airport - Wittman Regional Airport
11 hours by Cessna Skyhawk • 3 hours by Airbus A380
2,622km • 1,629mi • 1,416nm

voretaq7

2:43 AM

!!distance FRG OSH

Otto the Autopilot

@voretaq7 No matching airport could be found for the code FRG! Check you typed the correct 3-letter IATA code or 4-letter ICAO code.

voretaq7

dammit otto you're still drunk!

!!distance ISP OSH

Otto the Autopilot

Long Island Mac Arthur Airport - Wittman Regional Airport
6 hours by Cessna Skyhawk • 1 hour by Airbus A380
1,316km • 818mi • 710nm

voretaq7

one day I'll take a week off and make that trip :P

It's actually closer to 9 hours factoring in conservative fuel stops

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 yeah, FRG actually isn't listed in the list of IATA codes at ourairports.com - feel free to submit it!

interestingly, it shows at ourairports.com/airports/kfrg/… but not in airports.csv

it's possible it'll come in the next CSV download

you can use KFRG though instead of FRG, which will work:

!!distance kfrg osh

Otto the Autopilot

2:51 AM

Republic Airport - Wittman Regional Airport
6 hours by Cessna Skyhawk • 1 hour by Airbus A380
1,294km • 804mi • 699nm

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett I choose to believe Otto is a drunkard.

Danny Beckett

lol

actually, looking at the data, I only took the ident (ICAO) and iata_code columns - looks like I need to check the local_code column too @voretaq7 :

voretaq7

local code isn't guaranteed to be globally unique is it?

Danny Beckett

really not too sure how to do this... will look into it another time

for now, ICAO codes should always work

voretaq7

Airports is HARD

Danny Beckett

3:00 AM

lol

voretaq7

you could just say "Must use ICAO code, fucking deal with it bitches!"

(standard developer cop-out :-)

Danny Beckett

could also try correcting the source data

> We welcome any additions or corrections to the data in the spreadsheets. Please keep the column format the same (it's OK to send just the changed rows), and send your changes to contact@ourairports.com.

Lnafziger

3:22 AM

!!distance KSFO PHNL

Otto the Autopilot

San Francisco International Airport - Honolulu International Airport
17 hours by Cessna Skyhawk • 4 hours by Airbus A380
3,857km • 2,397mi • 2,083nm

Lnafziger

Trust me, it's a lot longer than 17 hours by Skyhawk, lol.

(when you factor in the paddling)

And actually, it's longer than that by Airbus too...

!!distance PHNL KSFO

Otto the Autopilot

Honolulu International Airport - San Francisco International Airport
17 hours by Cessna Skyhawk • 4 hours by Airbus A380
3,857km • 2,397mi • 2,083nm

Lnafziger

Ahhh, no wind.

Danny Beckett

@Lnafziger at the moment the calculation is just total km / cruise speed (kmh) - I'd welcome any suggestions on an improvement in the formula!

...also on the choice of aircraft

I can add in other data, like max range, e.g. to add in time for fuel stops etc

lol :p

Lnafziger

3:28 AM

I think that just adding the wind into the equation would make a huge improvement... The rest looks pretty good.

Danny Beckett

the 2 times are based on 124kts and 487kts, respectively (ground speed I believe)

Lnafziger

Yeah, ground speed or 0 wind true airspeed (same thing).

voretaq7

@Lnafziger Winds aloft are harrrrrrrrrrrd :P

Lnafziger

3:45 AM

@voretaq7 Surely there is open source software somewhere that would make it easy! :-)

voretaq7

@Lnafziger there's something commercial Foreflight uses

Lnafziger

Besides, I'm up for the challenge, lol.

Steve V.

@DannyBeckett - awww you got rid of the WTFPL?

I am disappoint.

Danny Beckett

lol is there a specific reason you need another license?

Steve V.

No, I just like that one cause it's easy.

It's the only software licence I've memorized in full.

voretaq7

4:00 AM

@SteveV. "Leave my damn copyright notice and disclaimer the hell alone" -- 2-clause BSD license.

Danny Beckett

There's a link at the top of the license that makes it easier: cc by-nc-sa

Steve V.

:) That one's good too @voretaq7

Lnafziger

4:23 AM

Alright all, have a good night.

Danny Beckett

@Lnafziger night mate!

Lnafziger

cya soon

Bret Copeland

5:15 AM

@egid Have you had any students scare the shit out of you?

egid

Ummmm, some weird stuff

But aside from a really close call with another aircraft in the pattern... Not really

I've had a ton of shitty landings and some people who just frankly we're not good pilots but nothing very bad on actual flights

Oh, and some bozo almost clocked us in a hold over PAE

I was up with a student holding at 3000

and suddenly a piper flashes by, maybe 50' below and another 100' off to my right... I could see exactly which of the neighboring school's airplanes it was

sorta pissed off, i ask Center if he had any traffic alerts for us since we just about got clobbered

Bret Copeland

That's a little close for comfort.

@egid haha

egid

"Sorry, no, multiple targets over Paine... oh, wait, I think I got him. Looks like he's coming around for another pass!"

"can you get his tail number?"

at that point i told Center I could maintain separation and asked to check in with the tower

"Are you talking to anybody holding over the VOR at 3000?" (at this point the Piper is entering the hold)

Bret Copeland

So, 3000 directly over PAE is in the delta, is that where you were?

egid

tower: "um, nope, not talking to us!"

yeah

then not 15 seconds later

the instructor tells tower and calls up with his tail number which i promptly wrote down

Bret Copeland

5:25 AM

ah, so the guy was actually violating their airspace.

egid

I think he never actually left the class D, so he was technically legal

but totally totally lame

anyway i walked to their hangar and talked to him right after, and he was all 'it's a VFR day, it's your responsibility to see and avoid'

at which point I got mad and talked to his chief instructor and convinced him that, yeah, if they're holding in VFR and not talking to anybody, they probably oughta go slap down some GPS waypoints in an actual practice area, rather than doing it over the VOR

Bret Copeland

yeah, because see and avoid is a flawless strategy on VFR days.

egid

he was in a climb to 3500, which would've been theoretically out of the way, unless of course Center asked somebody to descend in the hold

it was just shockingly lame all around

took me a day or two to not be mad

Bret Copeland

@egid what are the reasons for the please avoid "national security" areas up by PAE?

egid

That's the Everett Homeport

Bret Copeland

5:30 AM

They don't like you attempting carrier landings?

egid

Home to Nimitz.

shockingly no

Bret Copeland

It'd be great short-field practice.

egid

Oh we've got Camano for that... Lemme fumble around and find a good link

skyvector.com/airport/13W/Camano-Island-Airfield-Airport

even more fun when you check it out on google earth!

My instructor took me up there for my 172 checkout. It was interesting. :)

Bret Copeland

@egid did you land on the pavement or the grass?

egid

Pavement. The power lines at the south end drop down under the runway to give you more room, and the north end slopes down to the cliff!

Bret Copeland

5:35 AM

Looks fun.

It's the same width, but a little shorter than this one: maps.google.com/…

skyvector.com/airport/ID26/P-and-R-Field-Airport

egid

> FIRST 1049 FT OF RY 16 HAS 3 % UPHILL SLOP TO THE SOUTH.

Bret Copeland

The person who owned the flight school I trained with in Boise lives at that little strip. I flew the Cirrus in there once.

egid

Nice.

Bret Copeland

@egid yeah, looking at Google Earth, I can see that slope.

Have you ever flown to Canada since it's so close?

egid

The cliff plus the slope plus the absurd tiny size sorta combine to a hilarious extreme

No, actually!

I keep thinking about it but all the CBP nonsense lately is yet another reason not to

Bret Copeland

5:42 AM

Oh, yeah. Well... I'm sure nothing could possiblie go wrong.

egid

Most of my flights in that direction are to the San Juan islands

Nice $100 hamburger destinations up that way

Bret Copeland

My great-grandmother used to live on Whidbey Island. I spent a lot of time there as a kid.

egid

Oh, nice. My folks moved out there around ten years ago.

Bret Copeland

I think I mostly loved riding the ferry.

egid

I fly into Whitney air park once in a while and pick my dad up so we can do instrument currency and save him the ferry ride :)

It's a really cool area, I love the beaches.

Flying out here is a lot of fun, it's quite varied and aside from the overcast the flying weather can be incredible

Bret Copeland

5:46 AM

oooh, Bowerman (HQM) looks like a fun little airport.

egid

Haha yeah it's a fun trip

I once did about 15 knots GS on final in a 152 it was so windy

They have a cool boardwalk around the NW end of the field for a bird sanctuary

Bret Copeland

(C152 & windy) == a little scary

egid

I like 152s a lot... They're very honest airplanes.

Bret Copeland

I suppose if that's a bitwise operator, it should really be an OR instead of an AND. Oh well. I'm only a software developer for a living.

What do you mean by honest?

egid

But yeah, it was a lot of wind. Like 30 knots down the runway or something

They don't really have any bad characteristics, and they do what you tell them.

They're predictable and pretty bulletproof.

Bret Copeland

5:50 AM

I think the last time I flew in one was probably 1998.

egid

I mean okay yeah they are wildly underpowered if you aren't solo and they are very light if you are, but they stall straight and land well and are otherwise pretty solid little planes.

Bret Copeland

I have a friend who owns one, but I've never gone flying with him in it.

egid

I like my airplane more but I have many fond memories of the 152. It wasn't bad to teach in either.

Bret Copeland

Do you own an airplane?

egid

My dad and I co-own a 1971 American AA-1A, with a 150hp STC

Basically a proto-RV in a lot of ways

Bret Copeland

5:54 AM

Wow, I've never even heard of that plane before.

You see a lot of RV's in Idaho. People love them for backcountry.

egid

You may have heard of it as a Grumman

Yeah, RVs are pretty incredible designs.

Bret Copeland

6:08 AM

I wonder if we could do like a photo of the month competition on the site. Has to be a photo a user actually took (or has the rights to) and each month we open a question for a few days where people can submit and vote. I know photography does something like that, which makes sense, but I think it would be fun to occasionally see the best photos our users have taken while flying.

^ probably will be a meta question at some point.

egid

that sounds pretty good!

have a good night

Bret Copeland

night

roe

7:41 AM

@voretaq7 Need a co-pilot? ;) Never been to Oshkosh myself, would love to go.

DeltaLima

11:05 AM

!!metar ehrd

Where is Otto when you need him :-)

Qantas 94 Heavy

11:40 AM

!!are you there

Otto the Autopilot

@Qantas94Heavy Of course not

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roe

@Qantas94Heavy: EHRD 211125Z AUTO 18004KT 150V210 7000 FEW005 06/05 Q1011 NOSIG

meh. I guess the link text is too long

Does this work? EHRD 211125Z AUTO 18004KT

@Lnafziger Ooooh, links only work if there are no new-lines in the message

Stack Exchange

3:02 PM

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